Dinosaurs and Man...Together?

Dinosaurs and Man...Together?

There are 136 comments on the HolyCoast.com story from Aug 1, 2008, titled Dinosaurs and Man...Together?. In it, HolyCoast.com reports that:

A slab of North Texas limestone is on track to rock the world, with its two imbedded footprints poised to make a huge impression in scientific and religious circles.

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Laramie

Saint Paul, MN

#1 Aug 1, 2008
This is so blatantly fake that I'm not sure where to begin! Although I am quite knowledgable about ichnology and paleontology (vertebrate paleontology especially),_anyone_ with common sense can see this for the joke it is.
Simply upon first glance it is clear that the "Homo" heel is overlapping the left "dino" toe (which is technically digit 5 of a left foot, anatomically speaking) while another "dino" toe (digit 4) is overlapping the arch of the "Homo" foot. Therefore, for this slab to be legit, "dino" digit 5 touched the ground first, followed by the "Homo" foot and finally the rest of the "dino" foot (digits 4-2, in this case).
There are a few "easy" ways to create this, but first let me note that limestone (calcium carbonate) is deposited in _marine_ environments (i.e. the ocean floor). That aside, if this material really is limestone, the "footprints" can be etched and carved through careful application of a strong acid, such as HCl (hydrochloric acid; which, incidentally, is what geologists tend to employ in the field to quickly differentiate between limestone, dolomite and dolostone).
Another way to create fakes would be to use a "constructionite" (slang for any man-made, rock-like material, including concrete) of some sort, allowing for impressions to be made easily while the mix is still pliable. Simply having this picture to look at (and not the actual slab), there is no way to tell. However, it is incredibly easy to identify fake rock in a lab, therefore any intelligible (relatively speaking) person trying to fool people would know this is a waste of time.
Whether this is limestone or constructionite, whoever made this didn't know _enough_ about what they were doing.
Alex

Glen Iris, Australia

#2 Aug 2, 2008
Poo Poo I'm 0

Since: Dec 06

Urbana, Illinois

#3 Aug 2, 2008
Anatomically speaking, both "footprints" are clear fakes...

They are someone's crude attempts to carve (whatever method was used) what THEY thought looked like human and dinosaur footprints.

The human "footprint" isn't accurate; the dinosaur "footprint" is a caricature that doesn't remotely have the right shape or features. Someone had just watched a "Godzilla" movie, perhaps?

Since: Dec 06

Urbana, Illinois

#4 Aug 2, 2008
REAL Dinosaur footprints:

http://images.google.com/images...
Short term

Grand Rapids, MI

#5 Sep 12, 2008
FossilBob wrote:
Anatomically speaking, both "footprints" are clear fakes...
They are someone's crude attempts to carve (whatever method was used) what THEY thought looked like human and dinosaur footprints.
The human "footprint" isn't accurate; the dinosaur "footprint" is a caricature that doesn't remotely have the right shape or features. Someone had just watched a "Godzilla" movie, perhaps?
It is a tough call. All any of this proves is that no one can say for certain. It is likely dinos and man did not exist together but then again none of us were there to verify this.

“Religion is Superstition”

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#6 Sep 13, 2008
Short term wrote:
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It is a tough call. All any of this proves is that no one can say for certain. It is likely dinos and man did not exist together but then again none of us were there to verify this.
It is 'likely' dinos and man did not exist together? Please. This is just another example of some creationist or ID scum dragging out an old arguement after it's been out of circulation for awhile in a pathetic attempt to reinvigorate their stale and fraudulent case.

Since: Dec 06

Urbana, Illinois

#7 Sep 13, 2008
Short term wrote:
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It is a tough call. All any of this proves is that no one can say for certain. It is likely dinos and man did not exist together but then again none of us were there to verify this.
It's NOT a "tough call". The tracks are CLEARLY faked.

Since there's absolutely NO evidence that humans lived during the Mesozoic... or for a LONG time afterward... it's an easy call.

“I don't exist:youve gone crazy”

Since: Aug 08

Australia

#8 Sep 13, 2008
it is obvious humans wouldn't have survived in the mesozoic era - we hadn't developed effective weapons for OUR time's largest creatures until the 1000's, so what makes you think that we could match up against dinosaurs?
Anti-Creationist

Melbourne, Australia

#9 Mar 5, 2010
Now days I think creationism is a fringe belief, and like any groups based arounf fringe beliefs, 9/11 ists, moon landing denialists....and so on, faking evidence is no out of the question for them.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2752...

This article shows how fake the prints really are, something to do with the fact that in carvings into rock, the rock layers terminate into the carving, which was used to prove the prints were fakes.

Since: Dec 06

Urbana, Illinois

#10 Mar 5, 2010
Anti-Creationist wrote:
Now days I think creationism is a fringe belief, and like any groups based arounf fringe beliefs, 9/11 ists, moon landing denialists....and so on, faking evidence is no out of the question for them.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2752...
This article shows how fake the prints really are, something to do with the fact that in carvings into rock, the rock layers terminate into the carving, which was used to prove the prints were fakes.
Exactly... They use other tricks, too... highlighting certain areas with water or oil to to produce an outline of a foot, for example.

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#11 Mar 16, 2010
If Genesis 1 is true then dinosaurs and humans were created on the 6th day of the creation week.

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Since: Dec 06

Urbana, Illinois

#12 Mar 17, 2010
HEATH - 72 wrote:
If Genesis 1 is true then dinosaurs and humans were created on the 6th day of the creation week.
www.roysecitycoc.org
Since all of the evidence shows that the Genesis version of Earth's creation is NOT correct, your statement is irrelevant.

Clearly Dinosaurs and Humans did NOT co-exist.

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#13 Mar 17, 2010
FossilBob wrote:
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Since all of the evidence shows that the Genesis version of Earth's creation is NOT correct, your statement is irrelevant.
Clearly Dinosaurs and Humans did NOT co-exist.
http://www.apologeticspress.org/

So are you an atheist?

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#14 Mar 17, 2010
FossilBob wrote:
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Since all of the evidence shows that the Genesis version of Earth's creation is NOT correct, your statement is irrelevant.
Clearly Dinosaurs and Humans did NOT co-exist.
Well, humans and NON AVIAN dinosaurs did not co-exist...

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#15 Mar 17, 2010
HEATH - 72 wrote:
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http://www.apologeticspress.org/
So are you an atheist?
www.roysecitycoc.org
"...I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one
fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all
the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
[Stephen F. Roberts]
doug

Vandalia, OH

#16 Mar 17, 2010
How long is a day of the lord

Since: Dec 06

Urbana, Illinois

#17 Mar 17, 2010
HEATH - 72 wrote:
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http://www.apologeticspress.org/
So are you an atheist?
www.roysecitycoc.org
No... Are you poorly educated?

I AM a professional geologist. You need to learn the basics of science; particularly geology\paleontology.

Since: Dec 06

Urbana, Illinois

#18 Mar 17, 2010
Christopher Pearsoll wrote:
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Well, humans and NON AVIAN dinosaurs did not co-exist...
Behave! Or I'll sic some of my non-avian Dinosaurs on you!

I have a Red Tailed Hawk outside my window right now:)

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#19 Mar 17, 2010
Christopher Pearsoll wrote:
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"...I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one
fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all
the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
[Stephen F. Roberts]
So big-bang-did-it?

Atheist means NO GOD. I believe in ONE GOD.

www.roysecitycoc.org

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#20 Mar 17, 2010
FossilBob wrote:
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No... Are you poorly educated?
I AM a professional geologist. You need to learn the basics of science; particularly geology\paleontology.
Now, now- no need to all upset and defensive. So you believe in God, a god of any kind?

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