Utahraptor vs Siberian Tiger

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#21 Sep 26, 2010
No real HARD evidence, who is to say the raptors scavenged but fought among themselves? Utahraptor's jaws were likely more powerful than a tiger's. Even if it didn't, utahraptor likely has more teeth which maybe are slightly larger. The largest siberian tiger measured about 350 cm. 350 cm = 3.5 meters. Since I live in the US, I'll convert that into about 12 ft. Nowhere near 20 ft, so utahraptor probaly is stronger.( though not pound for pound, but, as said before, it doesnt matter much.) Against a utahraptor the tiger only has one weapon, it's bite, really. It's claws are relatively ineffective unless the tiger slaps utah in the face. Being quadrupedal isn't really such a huge advantage. The tiger likely is faster though, but I'm not sure if it is more agile.
flying spaghetti monster

United States

#22 Sep 26, 2010
if anything, i'd think it's the other way around; the tiger is a quadraped so is more agile while the utah is probably faster.

WHOA, anomonyous, watch what you're saying here:
anomonyous wrote:
It's claws are really ineffective
*cough* grappling *cough*
Spinodontosaurus

Southampton, UK

#23 Sep 26, 2010
have all these claws
To me, that sounds like a reason why they WOULDNT need to pack hunt.
With the slight size difference and the tiger stonger pound for pound the tiger was probably stronger period.
Seriously, Utahraptor was like twice the size. I dont know of ANY good evidence for these 300kg giants that often get called 'average'.
err, spinodnt, bite force doesn't MATTER if you are completely outmatched in weaponary
Bite force DOES matter if you are facing an opponent straight on and your closest weapon to them is your head.
Even so, it is the cat that is outmatched in weaponary here. Dromaeosaurids claws closest living comparisons are cats claws, only dromies claws are significantly larger.
there isevidence of them hunting in packs because of many of them dieing in the same place plus tooth marks on prey that deid near by multiple raptors.
That were killing EACH OTHER?
Utahraptor didn't have strong jaws, In comparisin to the tigers bite Utahraptor is the putty cat!
I find this quite ironic considering Deinonychus had stronger jaws than any modern Carnivoran, and it doesnt take a genius to figure out that Utahraptor will bite a tad harder than that.
The largest siberian tiger measured about 350 cm. 350 cm = 3.5 meters.
Over the curves of the body. Most max out at 2.2m body length, plus up to a meter of tail (that will add virtually no weight at all)
flying spaghetti monster

United States

#24 Sep 26, 2010
uh, dunno what you were smoking but cat claws aren't dromie claws; one is used for climbing and the other used for cutting.

Mmmm, utah weighed 400kg, not these 500kg giants you talk about......

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#25 Sep 26, 2010
flying spaghetti monster wrote:
uh, dunno what you were smoking but cat claws aren't dromie claws; one is used for climbing and the other used for cutting.
Mmmm, utah weighed 400kg, not these 500kg giants you talk about......
What are you talking about? Utahraptor weighed more than one ton.
flying spaghetti monster

United States

#26 Sep 26, 2010
lol? really?

scaling up from deinonychus gets a "massive" 800lbs, while scaling from dromaeosaurus gets 480kg.

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#27 Sep 26, 2010
flying spaghetti monster wrote:
if anything, i'd think it's the other way around; the tiger is a quadraped so is more agile while the utah is probably faster.
WHOA, anomonyous, watch what you're saying here:
<quoted text>
*cough* grappling *cough*
Really = actually ( for utahraptor )
Spinodontosaurus

Southampton, UK

#28 Sep 26, 2010
flying spaghetti monster wrote:
uh, dunno what you were smoking but cat claws aren't dromie claws; one is used for climbing and the other used for cutting.
Mmmm, utah weighed 400kg, not these 500kg giants you talk about......
Ehm.
Dromaeosaurus claws closest modern comparison ARE cat claws. For some reason, the paper that claims dromie claws were climbing tools didnt realise that cats slash with their rear claws.

As for Utahraptors weight, well, scaling from Deinonychus weighing 70kg gets 487kg for Utahraptor, while scaling from an 80kg Deinonychus gets 557kg.
flying spaghetti monster

United States

#29 Sep 26, 2010
cats use their rear claws? You are making ridiculous claims, they slash with the FRONT CLAWS.

Spinodontosaurus

Southampton, UK

#30 Sep 26, 2010
Your video just proves what i was going to say, they use their front legs and claws for GRAPPLING, and in the case of larger prey (like buffalo), clinging.
flying spaghetti monster

United States

#31 Sep 26, 2010
so, according to you, tigers will have to use their rear claws(VERY ungainly) to slash?

HONESTLY?
Altanative Baryonyx

Nerviano, Italy

#32 Sep 26, 2010
Spinodontosaurus wrote:
<quoted text>
Ehm.
Dromaeosaurus claws closest modern comparison ARE cat claws. For some reason, the paper that claims dromie claws were climbing tools didnt realise that cats slash with their rear claws.
As for Utahraptors weight, well, scaling from Deinonychus weighing 70kg gets 487kg for Utahraptor, while scaling from an 80kg Deinonychus gets 557kg.
Means utahraptor is proportionally slimma dan deinonychus...
Spinodontosaurus

Cockermouth, UK

#33 Sep 27, 2010
Means utahraptor is proportionally slimma dan deinonychus...
How so?
so, according to you, tigers will have to use their rear claws(VERY ungainly) to slash?

HONESTLY?
Had you watched your own video you posted you would have noticed that the lioness did no slashing AT ALL, only grappling. I have a video that ill show you (when i get onto a computer that can...) of two wild cats fighting, you will notice that the two grapple with their front feet, and kick with their rears.

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Since: Mar 10

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#34 Sep 27, 2010
This is the fourth time ive tried to post this link:
Altanative Hyainailouros

Nerviano, Italy

#35 Sep 27, 2010
Spinodontosaurus wrote:
<quoted text>
How so?
How long n heavy do u think deinonychus n utahraptor r estimated w be?

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#36 Sep 27, 2010
Well, i would guess that Utahraptor is 500kg+ at 6m+ whilst Deinnychus about 70-80kg at ~3.5m?
btw, is mortimers site down for you? I cant load it up.
Altanative Hyainailouros

Nerviano, Italy

#37 Sep 27, 2010
Da femur method estimates a 6 m utahraptor 2 be 400 kg n estimates. I dont know how
N ur compy (which cannot use adobereader) cannot open not even da theropods database? DEFINITIVELY flush it down da toilet, 4 vat its worth XD!

Bdw, here u can found a lot of mass estimates accordin 2 dat method. Only chilantaisauru seems 2 be wrong n too small

PS
Also, please just go 2 paleoplace in da "spino vs carchar" thread
Brachiotitan

Calgary, Canada

#39 Sep 29, 2010
And yet still, Utahraptor hunted Sauropods and Ornithmids, and the Tiger hunts animals less than 1 ton in weight. It is evident which predator needed to be more powerful.
Mattking, what exactly is the bite force of the Siberian tiger?
flying spaghetti monster

Palo Alto, CA

#40 Sep 29, 2010
Uh, if the tiger had access to larger prey it would eat it.

What, there are siberian mammoths living in the taiga?

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Since: Mar 10

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#41 Sep 30, 2010
Lions need numbers to hunt animals that Utahraptor may have been able to hunt itself.
As for the cats bite, i think the figure Cau stated on his blog (when talking about Deinonychus' bite force) was 3000N, or 300kg.

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