Livyatan Melvillei vs Carcharocles Megalodon

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Some Guy

Philadelphia, PA

#1 Aug 26, 2010
In one corner you have a monster sperm whale with gargantuan teeth up to 1.18 feet long, a contender for title of largest teeth in the world. In the other corner you have a massive shark with a monstrous bite force that takes the title of world's largest fish. Both are in the running for world's largest carnivore. To make the fight fair, let's say both animals are 17 meters long, which is somewhat average for both of them (based on what we know, which isn't exactly much) debate begins.... NOW!
ronald mcdonald

San Francisco, CA

#2 Aug 26, 2010
1) it's leviathan, not livyatan.

2)i doubt carch's bite was much more than 5t.

i would give this to leviathan at equal sizes. it (likely) has a stronger bite, and the teeth likely have enough power to go very deep into the flesh.

leviathan is also warm blooded, which *COULD* be an advantage.

on zee other hand, carch can rip out MASSIVE amounts of flesh in one bite, and does not have to go up for air.

it's close, but i say levi.
MStar

Houston, TX

#3 Aug 26, 2010
ronald mcdonald wrote:
1) it's leviathan, not livyatan.
2)i doubt carch's bite was much more than 5t.
i would give this to leviathan at equal sizes. it (likely) has a stronger bite, and the teeth likely have enough power to go very deep into the flesh.
leviathan is also warm blooded, which *COULD* be an advantage.
on zee other hand, carch can rip out MASSIVE amounts of flesh in one bite, and does not have to go up for air.
it's close, but i say levi.
I agree with your outcome, but Carch's bite was substantially more powerful than that.
Some Guy

Philadelphia, PA

#4 Aug 26, 2010
ronald mcdonald wrote:
1) it's leviathan, not livyatan.
2)i doubt carch's bite was much more than 5t.
i would give this to leviathan at equal sizes. it (likely) has a stronger bite, and the teeth likely have enough power to go very deep into the flesh.
leviathan is also warm blooded, which *COULD* be an advantage.
on zee other hand, carch can rip out MASSIVE amounts of flesh in one bite, and does not have to go up for air.
it's close, but i say levi.
Agreed.

However the creature was recently renamed Livyatan, as Alternative proved on the other thread. Its even the new name on wiki.
ronald mcdonald

San Francisco, CA

#5 Aug 26, 2010
leviathan or L.melvillei sounds better, you got to admit.
Some Guy

Philadelphia, PA

#6 Aug 26, 2010
ronald mcdonald wrote:
leviathan or L.melvillei sounds better, you got to admit.
It does, I admit. And that'll probably become the pop culture name for Livyatan.

However, the scientific name is now Livyatan, much to our dismay.
Alternative Baryonyx

Meda, Italy

#7 Aug 27, 2010
Some Guy wrote:
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It does, I admit. And that'll probably become the pop culture name for Livyatan.
However, the scientific name is now Livyatan, much to our dismay.
http://www.topix.com/forum/science/dinosaurs/...

Bdw, i dont like da genera livyatan and leviathan cuz
1)Dey will make confusion with da ORIGINAL leviathan portrayed in da Bible: dey could have named it leviathanUS or leviathanIS. Leviathanus is still good. Me too will keep callin it leviathan, just i hope they will change its genus name soon
2)In my opinion, da only species dat is worthy of bein called Leviathan or somethin like dat is b. musculus (or da currently unknown largest species of all time. I dont really think blue whale is da biggest animal EVA lived). I think leviathan should not reflect “badassenes” but just mere size. Size, nothin more. If i called a species leviathan, itll defintitively be da blue whale

Bdw, now dat carcharocles is estimated 2 be "just 1 m shorta dan" dan livyatan... dat would be an awesome fight! ANd itd be possible, since dey CO-EXISTED in da same place in da same time

Bdw, is it me or dis thread has been created just 4 puttin da RENAMED non-neophyseteroid physeteroid in a battle against carcharcles? Funny dat both opponents have changed deir genera pretty recently!

DIs thread is da only reason why topix shouldnt close down XD
Alternative Baryonyx

Meda, Italy

#8 Aug 27, 2010
Dis is my wallpapa ;)
http://svpow.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/levi...
AWESOME livyatan. Poor cetotherium. Dat scuba diva is lucky bastard!
Some Guy

Philadelphia, PA

#9 Aug 27, 2010
Alternative Baryonyx wrote:
Dis is my wallpapa ;)
http://svpow.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/levi...
AWESOME livyatan. Poor cetotherium. Dat scuba diva is lucky bastard!
HAHAHAHA yes I like evenly matched battles :)

Anyhow who do you think would win then? I think Livyatan / Leviathan(us), but then again I'll admit to being a tiny small microscopic little bit biased against Carcharocles in most of his fights. Of course, when Carcharocles is the winner he's the winner, but I'm just not that interested in it as much, considering its "nothing new." As far as we know its just a giant Great White, which doesn't exactly capture me. Livyatan, on the other hand, is a monster new whale with giant teeth! Don't get me wrong though, Carcharocles is awesome. Anyhow, being fair, I still think Livyatan is the winner.

“BOOMER WILL LIVE”

Since: Mar 10

Location hidden

#10 Aug 27, 2010
Personally, i think that Carcharocles' MUCH more efficient bite would win it the fight. GWS have inda weak bite forces, yet they do pretty horrific damage with their bites. This shark is about 54t in weight.
Alternative Baryonyx

Meda, Italy

#11 Aug 27, 2010
U r right, people always tend 2 love NEWA things
Maybe cuz lately weve been too much used to non-sense phrases like "No, a 20 m and 100 t megalodon would rape anythin" or so, now we like 2 get back at carcharocles

I just red dat orcinus and carcharodont tend 2 avoid each oda. A 4.7-5.3 m female orcinus killed and ate a 3-4 m carcharodon. It even dis steal its LIVA XD. Carcharodons left da wata where orcinus were, so it seems in some cases da delphinid indeed ovacompete da lamnid
Dey even put a satellite tag on a carcharodon and saw dat it SUBMAGED 2 depth of 500 m! And it even swam from california 2 hawaii! Maybe its friend bein eaten by orcinus scared da hell out of it? Also da carcharodon population VANISHED
ry
Bdw, i think carcharocles has a SLITHGLY higha chance of winnin. Obviously, we r talkin bout bout 2 specimen bein BOTH healthy adults. I expect carcharocles 2 attack from da bottom. But since livyatan is not a fat and slow seal, livyatan should be able 2 detect it and avoid its (carcharocles') attacks

Bdw, i doubt livyatan was a solitary cetacean. All cetaceans r social animals, so da only way a carcharocles could attack a livyatan is dat da lone livyatan lost its group
IF carcharocles managed 2 inflict a HUGE bite from below (carcharodon does so 2 elephant seals), itd just need 2 waitin da livyatan 2 bleed 2 death

Who know if we r right or dead wrong. AFta all, we werent dere in serravallian seas

PS
Look at dis

Carcharodon can be AWESOME, dont u think so?(I think da only ones not agreein r dese poor pinnipedians...
Some Guy

Philadelphia, PA

#12 Aug 27, 2010
Alternative Baryonyx wrote:
U r right, people always tend 2 love NEWA things
Maybe cuz lately weve been too much used to non-sense phrases like "No, a 20 m and 100 t megalodon would rape anythin" or so, now we like 2 get back at carcharocles
I just red dat orcinus and carcharodont tend 2 avoid each oda. A 4.7-5.3 m female orcinus killed and ate a 3-4 m carcharodon. It even dis steal its LIVA XD. Carcharodons left da wata where orcinus were, so it seems in some cases da delphinid indeed ovacompete da lamnid
Dey even put a satellite tag on a carcharodon and saw dat it SUBMAGED 2 depth of 500 m! And it even swam from california 2 hawaii! Maybe its friend bein eaten by orcinus scared da hell out of it? Also da carcharodon population VANISHED
ry
Bdw, i think carcharocles has a SLITHGLY higha chance of winnin. Obviously, we r talkin bout bout 2 specimen bein BOTH healthy adults. I expect carcharocles 2 attack from da bottom. But since livyatan is not a fat and slow seal, livyatan should be able 2 detect it and avoid its (carcharocles') attacks
Bdw, i doubt livyatan was a solitary cetacean. All cetaceans r social animals, so da only way a carcharocles could attack a livyatan is dat da lone livyatan lost its group
IF carcharocles managed 2 inflict a HUGE bite from below (carcharodon does so 2 elephant seals), itd just need 2 waitin da livyatan 2 bleed 2 death
Who know if we r right or dead wrong. AFta all, we werent dere in serravallian seas
PS
Look at dis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =n9L4Mwn6wu0XX
Carcharodon can be AWESOME, dont u think so?(I think da only ones not agreein r dese poor pinnipedians...
You've got a point about social behavior, but in the case scenario of a lone Livyatan and Carcharocles.
Undoubtedly Carcharocles has a devastating bite, but Livyatan's arsenal is better. Its teeth are thick and a little over a foot long, and they haven't done a test of its bite force yet. Any creature with teeth like that though is going to have a massive bite force. Thus I'm actually saying the exact opposite of you... slightly higher chance of Livyatan winning.
The part that intrigues me is that this actually might've happened, considering both were apex predators in the same time zone. Maybe fossil evidence will prove it did eventually.
And I heard about that whole thing with the Orcas and Great Whites. Its really not even a fight, the Orca would destroy Carcharodon. But you're right Carcharodons are really cool, I always loved that show Planet Earth

“BOOMER WILL LIVE”

Since: Mar 10

Location hidden

#13 Aug 27, 2010
Tooth lengnth can be deceptive, be careful. Sue didnt have teeth 12 inches long dangling from her mouth, oh no, ~half would be rooted in the skull.
Some Guy

Philadelphia, PA

#14 Aug 27, 2010
Spinodontosaurus wrote:
Tooth lengnth can be deceptive, be careful. Sue didnt have teeth 12 inches long dangling from her mouth, oh no,~half would be rooted in the skull.
Regardless the teeth were incredibly large, not just long but thick as well, good for crushing bone, whereas Carcharocles had teeth made more for slicing, which is still a very destructive bite.
In addition, AFAIK, a shark's skeleton was mostly cartilage, was it not? That could make the Livyatan's bite more dangerous.
Alternative Baryonyx

Meda, Italy

#15 Aug 27, 2010
Some Guy wrote:
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You've got a point about social behavior, but in the case scenario of a lone Livyatan and Carcharocles.
Undoubtedly Carcharocles has a devastating bite, but Livyatan's arsenal is better. Its teeth are thick and a little over a foot long, and they haven't done a test of its bite force yet. Any creature with teeth like that though is going to have a massive bite force. Thus I'm actually saying the exact opposite of you... slightly higher chance of Livyatan winning.
The part that intrigues me is that this actually might've happened, considering both were apex predators in the same time zone. Maybe fossil evidence will prove it did eventually.
And I heard about that whole thing with the Orcas and Great Whites. Its really not even a fight, the Orca would destroy Carcharodon. But you're right Carcharodons are really cool, I always loved that show Planet Earth
Idk
But dis summa i went 2 da aquarium of genoa and ive been here
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...
I touched 2 ray species called raja clavata and raja undulata. When i touched dem, i found deir skin 2 be smooth in a direction and rough in da opposite direction. Now i realize dese r deir placoid scales, and ALL chondrichthyans have placoid scales. Dey r actually tooth bein above deir skin, seriously!
So carcharocles too had placoid scales. Dese "scales" r actually a defense 4 sharks and oda cartilaginous fishes. Maybe carcharocles could have slipped out from livyatan mouth? Or maybe did i just get drunk XD?
Bout da fossil evidence... can u imagine if dey discovaed 2 fossils bein died while fightin each oda? SOmethin like da fossil velociraptor VS protoceratops, but dis time would be livyatan vs carcharocles... No, we r not lucky enough XD
Some Guy

Philadelphia, PA

#16 Aug 27, 2010
Alternative Baryonyx wrote:
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Idk
But dis summa i went 2 da aquarium of genoa and ive been here
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...
I touched 2 ray species called raja clavata and raja undulata. When i touched dem, i found deir skin 2 be smooth in a direction and rough in da opposite direction. Now i realize dese r deir placoid scales, and ALL chondrichthyans have placoid scales. Dey r actually tooth bein above deir skin, seriously!
So carcharocles too had placoid scales. Dese "scales" r actually a defense 4 sharks and oda cartilaginous fishes. Maybe carcharocles could have slipped out from livyatan mouth? Or maybe did i just get drunk XD?
Bout da fossil evidence... can u imagine if dey discovaed 2 fossils bein died while fightin each oda? SOmethin like da fossil velociraptor VS protoceratops, but dis time would be livyatan vs carcharocles... No, we r not lucky enough XD
Yeah true XD but it remains a possibility.
And as for the shark's skin, I still doubt it would be able to slip out of Livyatan's mouth, given it had gigantic peg-like teeth.
MStar

Houston, TX

#17 Aug 27, 2010
Alternative Baryonyx wrote:
U r right, people always tend 2 love NEWA things
Maybe cuz lately weve been too much used to non-sense phrases like "No, a 20 m and 100 t megalodon would rape anythin" or so, now we like 2 get back at carcharocles
I just red dat orcinus and carcharodont tend 2 avoid each oda. A 4.7-5.3 m female orcinus killed and ate a 3-4 m carcharodon. It even dis steal its LIVA XD. Carcharodons left da wata where orcinus were, so it seems in some cases da delphinid indeed ovacompete da lamnid
Dey even put a satellite tag on a carcharodon and saw dat it SUBMAGED 2 depth of 500 m! And it even swam from california 2 hawaii! Maybe its friend bein eaten by orcinus scared da hell out of it? Also da carcharodon population VANISHED
ry
Bdw, i think carcharocles has a SLITHGLY higha chance of winnin. Obviously, we r talkin bout bout 2 specimen bein BOTH healthy adults. I expect carcharocles 2 attack from da bottom. But since livyatan is not a fat and slow seal, livyatan should be able 2 detect it and avoid its (carcharocles') attacks
Bdw, i doubt livyatan was a solitary cetacean. All cetaceans r social animals, so da only way a carcharocles could attack a livyatan is dat da lone livyatan lost its group
IF carcharocles managed 2 inflict a HUGE bite from below (carcharodon does so 2 elephant seals), itd just need 2 waitin da livyatan 2 bleed 2 death
Who know if we r right or dead wrong. AFta all, we werent dere in serravallian seas
PS
Look at dis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =n9L4Mwn6wu0XX
Carcharodon can be AWESOME, dont u think so?(I think da only ones not agreein r dese poor pinnipedians...
I love slow-mo shark/seal attacks...
ronald mcdonald

San Francisco, CA

#18 Aug 27, 2010
that shark looks like carcharocles.

ok, maybe not, but it's still FRIKIN HUGE.
Some Guy

Philadelphia, PA

#19 Aug 27, 2010
MStar wrote:
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I love slow-mo shark/seal attacks...
Hey MStar how about we actually CONTRIBUTE TO THE DEBATE?!?!
MStar

San Francisco, CA

#20 Aug 27, 2010
OK!!!!1111!!!11111

or something like that....

also, i'm CERTAINLY not ronald mcdonald, REALLY.

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