Lack of black engineers hurts U.S., Bill Gates says

Nov 25, 2007 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: EETimes.com

“The shallow pool of skills is due, in part, to the lack of minorities being drawn into technology”

A recent study says that less than 10% of graduates of computer science programs in the U.S. are black -- a fact that will contribute to a shortage of technology professionals in the years ahead, Microsoft ... via EETimes.com

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Nov 25, 2007
 
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Who cares. With colleges costing what it is today if its a degree from an acredited or respected institution, be happy and get a job. And of course its difficult for blacks to do well in engineering, math has to be a strong pre requisite and the public schools are woefully inadequate in math. The public school system has to improve, then blacks will be more represented. White suburban schools have it all, money, labs, better teachers. So of course they are going to do better DUH. us.news and world reports is overhyped, they come out with this list of colleges every year. If blacks schools were financed as much as whites we would kick their butts in everything. We already rule in physical power, give our schools the money and we would RULE academically as well. But whites already know this, reason why they kept blacks uneducated during slavery. Thats alright, blacks will just have to produce academically on our own. Hold on Bill Gates!!!we a coming sar.
Thank you! I could not have said it better myself.

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Nov 25, 2007
 
the_truth_be_told2006 wrote:
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No, I was responding to the overall academic level of your school, which is very poor.
Oh really? How the hell would you know that? Oh that's right, your only proof is some ranking poll. Like I said before, you do not attend the school, so how in the world would you know if its academic level is very poor?
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I can't believe what you said! In my university, there are many African and African American students in engineering majors who now perform quite well on the job. These students are as smart as they come, but they also worked their butts off to get to where they are now.
The statistics don't support you. The graduation rate for blacks in engineering is quite low. If your college found one potential black engineering student from each state that would be 50. Maybe that's a big number to you but it's still one per state.

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Nov 26, 2007
 
afro engineering wrote:
<quoted text>The statistics don't support you. The graduation rate for blacks in engineering is quite low. If your college found one potential black engineering student from each state that would be 50. Maybe that's a big number to you but it's still one per state.
I was not debating the low graduation rate for blacks in egineering. You basically said that blacks are not capable of handling the coursework in those programs. You're basically spewing the same ugly stereotype that white people have been stating for centuries. Like someone has stated before, engineering is not a cake walk for anyone. It has NOTHING to do with the person's race.
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the_truth_be_told2006 wrote:
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Cmon dude, your thoughts run from rational to erratic. The jest of my statement was that to be the best, you have to go to the best schools. LSU isn't the best school. Degrees from lesser schools mean leasser money, bottom line. Bill Gates won't be waiting on you, unless you're Pakistani or Indian and willing to work well below market value.
As far as RULING anything, that is more mythology. You stated in previous posts that Blacks dominate in sports and entertainment. Really? Since when does Basketball and Hip Hop represent sports and entertainment? With the influx of Europeans and Chinese, how long will Blacks continue to dominate? Why does the American Team struggle in Olympic competition? With the outbreeding of African American men, as you have stated also in previous posts, how long before the genetic physical "superiority" that evolved during slavery dissipates?
What do you mean that coming from a lesser school means lesser money? What makes a school less worthy than another school? Just because a school may be less well known does not mean that you will not make good money. The truth of the matter is, that for a Bachelors degree as long as your program is accredited it does not really matter where you go to school. Just have decent (above average grades.) Going to a well known school may open more doors for you, but that is no guarantee for success. Success is determined by many factors and have more to do with one's own personal drive and initiative, than the name of the school on your undergraduate degree.
Here are two articles that prove my point. http://www.usatoday.com/educate/college/caree...
http://www.careerjournal.com/columnists/inthe...
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southern_morena1985 wrote:
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I was not debating the low graduation rate for blacks in egineering. You basically said that blacks are not capable of handling the coursework in those programs. You're basically spewing the same ugly stereotype that white people have been stating for centuries. Like someone has stated before, engineering is not a cake walk for anyone. It has NOTHING to do with the person's race.
Intelligence has a lot to do with race. blacks consistently score the lowest on IQ tests and as a race do poorly in math. This is fact not stereotype. Asians score the highest by race followed by whites followed by blacks. If you break it down by sub-racial categories, European Jews score the very highest and African pigmys score the lowest. Look it up.

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the_truth_be_told2006 wrote:
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I never made any of those accusations. I merely stated that LSU was not a leading school in academics. You stated the rest. Why did you automatically think such terrible things about the Black students?
Good question?

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What do you mean that coming from a lesser school means lesser money? What makes a school less worthy than another school? Just because a school may be less well known does not mean that you will not make good money. The truth of the matter is, that for a Bachelors degree as long as your program is accredited it does not really matter where you go to school. Just have decent (above average grades.) Going to a well known school may open more doors for you, but that is no guarantee for success. Success is determined by many factors and have more to do with one's own personal drive and initiative, than the name of the school on your undergraduate degree.
Here are two articles that prove my point. http://www.usatoday.com/educate/college/caree...
http://www.careerjournal.com/columnists/inthe...
You're joking, right? I'm quite sure anyone who attends Harvard and graduates with a BS in Mechanical Engineering will have a job waiting for them...
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afro engineering wrote:
<quoted text>Intelligence has a lot to do with race. blacks consistently score the lowest on IQ tests and as a race do poorly in math. This is fact not stereotype. Asians score the highest by race followed by whites followed by blacks. If you break it down by sub-racial categories, European Jews score the very highest and African pigmys score the lowest. Look it up.
Look WHAT up?

It is already PROVEN that race has nothing to do with itelligence. I've seen Physics professors from Eriteria and other African countries do quite well. My co-worker is black American and a very good software developer too.

One reason why there are not a lot of black engineers is because from an early age, many black students develop poor study habits or do not study at all. Black parents are absent from teacher/parent meetings and in American schools do not make their children's education a priority. I've seen this over and over and over again. I'm even related to people who all but ignore their children's academic presence.

An engineering degree requires a lot of studying and sacrifice. It can mean staying up late hours reading and writing formulas. It also involves a lot of concentration and analytical thinking. These kind of activities are viewed as "white" by some black people in America. Black students who DARE exhibit this ability in front of peers risk being ostracized, beaten, and mocked. That's just how it is.

An engineering degree is expensive. A lot of black students are not able to work and go to school for a number of years to earn an engineering degree.

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When I visit my old college, I notice a lot of foreign national in/around the Engineering side of campus. It is not just a Black problem, but a problem in the U.S. education system. Too much emphasis on reading and positive "ego" stuff and not enough science and math. But hey, who cares, as long as they feel good about themselves.

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Look WHAT up?
It is already PROVEN that race has nothing to do with itelligence. I've seen Physics professors from Eriteria and other African countries do quite well. My co-worker is black American and a very good software developer too.
One reason why there are not a lot of black engineers is because from an early age, many black students develop poor study habits or do not study at all. Black parents are absent from teacher/parent meetings and in American schools do not make their children's education a priority. I've seen this over and over and over again. I'm even related to people who all but ignore their children's academic presence.
An engineering degree requires a lot of studying and sacrifice. It can mean staying up late hours reading and writing formulas. It also involves a lot of concentration and analytical thinking. These kind of activities are viewed as "white" by some black people in America. Black students who DARE exhibit this ability in front of peers risk being ostracized, beaten, and mocked. That's just how it is.
An engineering degree is expensive. A lot of black students are not able to work and go to school for a number of years to earn an engineering degree.
Good post...
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You're joking, right? I'm quite sure anyone who attends Harvard and graduates with a BS in Mechanical Engineering will have a job waiting for them...
Actually, I don't think anyone with better than average grades and a BS in Mechanical Engineering or any other Engineering degree will have a tough time finding a job. That was not the point I made. Going to Harvard may open more doors for you in the beginning but it is certainly no guarantee that you will make it to the top. Which was pointed out in the two articles that I have posted ,if you bothered to read them.

Again, to be successful and make it to the top takes so much more than the name on your diploma.
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You're joking, right? I'm quite sure anyone who attends Harvard and graduates with a BS in Mechanical Engineering will have a job waiting for them...
My last post should have read, Anyone with above average grades and a BS in any Engineering discipline will not have a hard time finding a job.

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Actually, I don't think anyone with better than average grades and a BS in Mechanical Engineering or any other Engineering degree will have a tough time finding a job. That was not the point I made. Going to Harvard may open more doors for you in the beginning but it is certainly no guarantee that you will make it to the top. Which was pointed out in the two articles that I have posted ,if you bothered to read them.
Again, to be successful and make it to the top takes so much more than the name on your diploma.
I have a BA in English Literature. I ACTUALLY read and re-read your post. Also, I read and comprehend very well. That's why I posted in the manner that I did...

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When I visit my old college, I notice a lot of foreign national in/around the Engineering side of campus. It is not just a Black problem, but a problem in the U.S. education system. Too much emphasis on reading and positive "ego" stuff and not enough science and math. But hey, who cares, as long as they feel good about themselves.
You made an excellent point. The majority of engineeing and science majors at my Midwestern university were primariliy Indians, Pakistanis, Chinese, and Koreans. Actually the majority of the Black engineering majors at my university were from African countries. Very few White students are majoring in engineering or science. It isn't that Black students aren't capable of doing the coursework. I am a Black woman and I earned almost all straight "A"'s in my math and science courses. Engineers and scientists are often sterotyped as "nerds" and "geeks" and is considered a "White" area of study. Young Blacks don't think these fields are "cool". A lot of Whites feel the same way. It just isn't Blacks that are underrepresented in the math, science, and engineering fields. There are very few women majoring in math, science, or engineering. Women often avoid these fields because they are afraid they won't be able to marry or have a family if they enter into the science or engineering fields. I majored in math and science and now work in IT. I was often the only women IT professional at many of the firms I worked at. I think that the "nerd" image of mathmeticians, scientists, and engineers needs to be changed in order to attract more women and minoroties into these important and worthwhile fields.
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I have a BA in English Literature. I ACTUALLY read and re-read your post. Also, I read and comprehend very well. That's why I posted in the manner that I did...
Sorry, but did I miss something here? I don't understand what your BA in English Lit has to do with anything. I never questioned your reading comprehension skills.

If you have found some flaws in my thinking, please enlighten me.

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Sorry, but did I miss something here? I don't understand what your BA in English Lit has to do with anything. I never questioned your reading comprehension skills.
If you have found some flaws in my thinking, please enlighten me.
You wrote: "Which was pointed out in the two articles that I have posted, if you bothered to read them."

Reading and comprehending normally go hand-in-hand...
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As an Engineer, I never realized that color had something to do with the successful outcome of any engineering achievment. Stupid me!
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You wrote: "Which was pointed out in the two articles that I have posted, if you bothered to read them."
Reading and comprehending normally go hand-in-hand...
Again, did you read either of the articles that I posted? It is your initial response that makes me ask that question. On the slight chance that you did read them, and still think Harvard automatically paves one's life path full of gold. How do you explain that roughly 10% of the folks running the show in Fortune 500 companies came from Ivy League schools?

Since when did it become automatic that just because a person can read that they also comprehend what they are reading? Reading and comprehension are two different things.
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You made an excellent point. The majority of engineeing and science majors at my Midwestern university were primariliy Indians, Pakistanis, Chinese, and Koreans. Actually the majority of the Black engineering majors at my university were from African countries. Very few White students are majoring in engineering or science. It isn't that Black students aren't capable of doing the coursework. I am a Black woman and I earned almost all straight "A"'s in my math and science courses. Engineers and scientists are often sterotyped as "nerds" and "geeks" and is considered a "White" area of study. Young Blacks don't think these fields are "cool". A lot of Whites feel the same way. It just isn't Blacks that are underrepresented in the math, science, and engineering fields. There are very few women majoring in math, science, or engineering. Women often avoid these fields because they are afraid they won't be able to marry or have a family if they enter into the science or engineering fields. I majored in math and science and now work in IT. I was often the only women IT professional at many of the firms I worked at. I think that the "nerd" image of mathmeticians, scientists, and engineers needs to be changed in order to attract more women and minoroties into these important and worthwhile fields.
I presently study at a top UK univeristy for my Masters degree and i can assure you that the majority (45%) of the 50 student class are from Asia (China,Taiwan,Pakistani,Hong-K ong),15% are from Africa,10% from the Americas,15% are from Europe while the remaining 15% are from UK. My Masters degree is a very rigorous one and many times the school management have expressed concern about interest shown by the locals as well as British enrollment. Generally, majority of children growing up in the developed world live in comfort zones and thus believe they do not require rigours of study to excel.

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