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Mar 31, 2008

Is AIDS An Evolutionary Accident?

AIDS may partly be the consequence of an evolutionary accident, said Professor Frank Kirchhoff from the University of Ulm in Germany.

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Mar 31, 2008
 
Of course, we know what he means but in evolution everything is an 'accident' when you think about it.
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Apr 1, 2008
 
Cash wrote:
Of course, we know what he means but in evolution everything is an 'accident' when you think about it.
That was my first thought...
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Aids or no aids it is a disease that kills. So teens and weens dont forget to brush your teeth. Same thing with sex or oral sex, dont forget to clean yourself before enjoying it. Otherwise you are dumber that the dirty cats and dogs who do sex without thinking of the consequences. I have seen made dogs going at sex and then dont know how to separate themselves. The penis is stuck to the female pussy. How far can you go with this kind of madness. Hope never to see humans stuck.
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I think Obama is the leader now of the Democractic party. Hillary could have won it but she does not know how to present herself. She is laid back candidate who states that her background is going to win the election. I say screw the background and come up front. She needs to remember that her background is full of stinky stuff. Bill Clinton and his mess is attached to it. So Hillary you want to win, get out of the thinking that your background knowledge and doings is going to help. It wont. So Obama may just beat you.
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Yes, they accidentally homogenized simian brains infected with SIV to create a polio vaccine that was accidentally injected into humans...it was all an accident...
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An evolutionary accident? It looks more like a deliberate hoax to me. There's lots of evidence piling up that HIV doesn't cause AIDS. They say they've never even isolated the virus either. Interestingly enough, a drug they use to treat AIDS, AZT, seems to cause a lot of the symptoms of AIDS. AZT was supposedly used as a drug for treating cancer, but they discontinued its use because it was too toxic. I can't be the only one who wonders why people seem to really start getting sick when they start treatment. Not only that, but there's really no such thing as an AIDS test. The tests they use are for detecting the presence of anti bodies in the blood and interactions between proteins. It turns out, a lot of pregnant women come up as HIV positive when using these "tests", and in other countries they have laws where if you're pregnant and HIV positive, you must get an abortion. How sick is that?

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Classified wrote:
An evolutionary accident? It looks more like a deliberate hoax to me. There's lots of evidence piling up that HIV doesn't cause AIDS. They say they've never even isolated the virus either. Interestingly enough, a drug they use to treat AIDS, AZT, seems to cause a lot of the symptoms of AIDS. AZT was supposedly used as a drug for treating cancer, but they discontinued its use because it was too toxic. I can't be the only one who wonders why people seem to really start getting sick when they start treatment. Not only that, but there's really no such thing as an AIDS test. The tests they use are for detecting the presence of anti bodies in the blood and interactions between proteins. It turns out, a lot of pregnant women come up as HIV positive when using these "tests", and in other countries they have laws where if you're pregnant and HIV positive, you must get an abortion. How sick is that?
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Apr 1, 2008
 
AIDS is not a disease. AIDS is a Civil Right. HIV is merely a convenient medical concept that may, or may not, reflect an underlying reality. It is a foolish mistake to blame the CIA for the AIDS "Epidemic." The CIA's competence has never risen to that level. Maybe Darwin was correct, if scant on specifics.
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Apr 1, 2008
 
Lalji wrote:
Aids or no aids it is a disease that kills. So teens and weens dont forget to brush your teeth. Same thing with sex or oral sex, dont forget to clean yourself before enjoying it.
What is tragically called "safe sex" has an unacceptably high failure rate, when you consider the consequence is a fatal disease.

Try chastity. It works in Uganda.
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Classified wrote:
I can't be the only one who wonders why people seem to really start getting sick when they start treatment.
No, my ex-brother in law thinks that. He is presently institutionalized.
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Apr 1, 2008
 
Cash wrote:
Of course, we know what he means but in evolution everything is an 'accident' when you think about it.
Ditto.
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Apr 1, 2008
 
Directly related to AIDS: use of the tobacco drug, mainly through freebasing. See: http://medicolegal.tripod.com/preventaids.htm
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Apr 1, 2008
 
I would like to point out that there is no such thing as an “Evolutionary Accident.”
If we could indeed study all the mysteries before us without political posturing we may come closer to answering many of the mysteries of our world at an accelerated pace. There is a reason for everything that happens. For every action there is on opposite and equal reaction for every reaction there is a lying politician.
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Classified wrote:
An evolutionary accident? It looks more like a deliberate hoax to me. There's lots of evidence piling up that HIV doesn't cause AIDS. They say they've never even isolated the virus either. Interestingly enough, a drug they use to treat AIDS, AZT, seems to cause a lot of the symptoms of AIDS. AZT was supposedly used as a drug for treating cancer, but they discontinued its use because it was too toxic. I can't be the only one who wonders why people seem to really start getting sick when they start treatment. Not only that, but there's really no such thing as an AIDS test. The tests they use are for detecting the presence of anti bodies in the blood and interactions between proteins. It turns out, a lot of pregnant women come up as HIV positive when using these "tests", and in other countries they have laws where if you're pregnant and HIV positive, you must get an abortion. How sick is that?
Perhaps you would be so kind as to present the "lots of evidence" you cite, rather than "seems to" and "they say." "They" say a lot of things, and who was it who claims, with evidence, that HIV and AIDS are not related? And regarding becoming more ill once treated, what do you have to say about all those who have died without receiving treatment? Go back to the early days of AIDS and ask youself what was going on such that so many people, almost all gay men, were dying in those days? The great CIA conspiracy that the gay community has yapped about? And are you really going to argue that life expectancy has gone unchanged, ro gotten worse, with the treatements currently available? One only has to look as far as Africa, where little treatment is available, to see clearly that treatment is not the problem. Perhaps you should consider Swaziland, where 38% of the population has AIDS, and average life expectancy has dropped from 56 to 39 in just 23 years. A coincidence?
By the way, they have isolated the virus. It is impossible to even attempt to fashion a vaccine without having done so. While it is true that the AIDS test is indirect, the rate of false positives is less than 3%, even among pregnant women. And regarding the requirement to abort babies of HIV positive pregnant women, I agree that is sick, as is all abortion. However, just recently, in our enlightened country that has aborted over 40 million babies since 1973, is has been recommended that all pregnant women be tested for Down's Syndrome, with the expectation that a positive result would result in an abortion. Although I disagree with the practice, I can at least, from a pragmatic point of view, understand the laws to abort HIV positive women, given the crushing burden that AIDS imposes on those countries. Explanation, not justification.
And somehow lost in all of this is that no matter what else one may think about it, HIV/AIDS is 94% behaviorly preventable. As the head of one prominent gay-advocacy organization recently stated, AIDS is a gay disease. The real problem is one of individual choices, whether here or in Africa.
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My sister in law has aids for dependent children. She doesn't seem sick though.
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What? No Evolved Superpowers? But evolution is the key... They walk among us! Screw the cheerleader, screw the world? And I might get aids? If only Silar were here, aids would take good care of him!
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Captain Obvious wrote:
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What is tragically called "safe sex" has an unacceptably high failure rate, when you consider the consequence is a fatal disease.
Try chastity. It works in Uganda.
You just don't want any one else to "Get any" either.
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HIV & AIDS were created by the white man and spread thoughout the black community to kill all black people. AND the white man has the vaccine to prevent the spread of HIV and a cure for it, but won't release it.......or so says Obama's "spiritual" advisor, rev.(not) wright.

Yeah, sounds REAL spiritual!
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Dave wrote:
I would like to point out that there is no such thing as an “Evolutionary Accident.”
If we could indeed study all the mysteries before us without political posturing we may come closer to answering many of the mysteries of our world at an accelerated pace. There is a reason for everything that happens. For every action there is on opposite and equal reaction for every reaction there is a lying politician.
I think this whole thing,us, and what we know,is one big accident,looking for a place to happen,and it found it ....No logic,or reason for anything,except what our primitive, feeble,brains can make up from nightmares.Its here now,and its gone ,its here,and its gone...this perpetual, reoccurring, accident,Ad Infinitum!!!
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I thought evolution only produced beneficial mutations. That's the fantasy evolutionists push.
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