Who Is Allah?

Aug 24, 2007 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Brussels Journal

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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<quoted text>Paul shames the pagan Muslims with his teachings of God.
"St. Paul" was born a Jew
In 2Cor 11:22 Saul wrote that he was descended from Abraham and Israel. Who were Abraham and Israel?
Abraham was the first Hebrew. God changed his name from Abram (Gen. 17:5). In Gen. 14:13 he is called Abram the Hebrew. Abraham is the father of the Jews (Acts 3:12-25). So we can see that Saul is descended from "Abram the Hebrew," the father of the Jews. Even to this day, Jews are also called "Hebrews", and the language of the Jews is "Hebrew."
Israel was originally called Jacob (Gen. 35:10-12) and he was Abraham's grandson (Matt. 1:2). He had twelve sons (Gen. 35:23-26) from whom come the Twelve Tribes of Israel. All of their descendants are known collectively throughout the Bible as the Children of Israel (Ex. 1:6-7).
One of those twelve sons was Judah (Gen. 35:23, Matt. 1:2) and it is from his name that we get the word 'Jew'. Although Yehudah (Judah) was only one of the twelve, by 700 BCE, because of the course of Israel's history, the word Yehudee (Jew) came to mean any person descended from Israel (Jer. 34:9). When Saul wrote that he was descended from Abraham and Israel, he was saying he was born a Jew.
"St. Paul" grew up as a Jew
In Phil 3:5 Saul called himself a "Hebrew of Hebrews," probably meaning "I speak Hebrew and I came from Hebrew-speaking parents." His father was a Pharisee (Acts 23:6). In his letter to the believers in Philippi, Saul described himself as having been circumcised as an infant on the eighth day (Phil 3:5). Obviously his Jewish parents did this in observance of the Torah commandment (Lev 12:2-3). He further confirmed this by stating that he is of the people Israel and he went on to cite his tribal descent (Benjamin), which is something few Jews can do today. We see the same in Romans 11:1, where Saul wrote that he was, "an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin."
Saul lived during the time of Rome's military occupation of Israel. Although born in Tarsus (Acts 22:3), he grew up among the Jews of Jerusalem, as a Pharisee (Acts 26:4-5). Again, the importance of the Torah in his family's life can be demonstrated. They made the considerable commitment of having him taught by Gamli'el (Acts 22:3), the foremost Jewish educator of the time (Acts 5:34). To achieve this, Saul must have been an excellent student and deeply committed to the Hebrew scriptures.
Recounting this as an adult, he described himself as "thoroughly trained in the Torah of our fathers" (Acts 22:3), he self-identified as a Jew (Acts 22:3), and he described the Jews as "my own nation" (Acts 26:4). Saul was raised as a Jew.
"St. Paul" lived as a Jew
As a believer in Yeshua, Saul continued to be a Jew. When he first came to faith he took a mikvah (Acts 9:18) and taught in the Synagogues of Damascus (Acts 9:20). Indeed, he initially argued with the Hellenists (Acts 9:29). Saul continued to worship with other Jews. The book of Acts contains at least ten other references to his ongoing Synagogue attendance (13:5, 13:14, 13:44, 14:1, 17:1-2, 17:10, 17:17, 18:4, 18:19, 19:8). Saul self-identified as a Jew (Gal 2:15), and he considered other Jewish believers to be Jewish (Gal 2:13). For instance, he considered Kefa (Peter) to be Jewish (Gal 2:14).
So, why are you so ashamed to be a Jew, when Jesus and Paul were Jews?

This is what we tell you to do. Go and renounce Christianity immediately.
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Jesus and Paul's teaching about God is much more superior then Muhammad's teaching about Allah the the Muslim pagan moon god.
That's what MUQ!
I don't think so. Their teaching was extremely lousy. Both left behind massive confusion and ignorance.

Came in the pagans and confused all further and it took them 400-570 years to create the mess, which is now known as modern Christianity. How can theri teaching be superior to that of Muhammad?

Muhammad taught that there is only one God Almighty LORD Allah, while Jesus and Paul taught a self-loathing man god.

Jesus did not teach Christianity. The Son of Maryam taught Judaism.
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Don't you understand that the Muslims borrowed the health commandments from the Jews? Our religions are very similar in many aspects. There is even a name the Muslims borrowed - Taharah. I don't know what your problem is.
We have requirements to wash, accompanied by prayers:
- Upon waking
- Before and after eating
- After sex
- After menstruation
- After cutting hair and nails
- After urination and defecation
- After being in the presence of death
I think that matches any requirements that Muslims have--probably because you got them from us.
Who said that Islam is a "Totally New religion"?

It is based on God's teachings and guidance, which do accommodate all that is best in earlier revelations and upgrades which need to be upgraded..

You can see that Islam modified most of the rituals that Jewish Rabbis and Scholars had put on people (like their complete seperation of meat and dairy products in kitchens, lest a "kid be boiled in its mother' milk"!!)

Islam therefore is the best of the best way of life!!

Go one research and find out what more Islam "borrowed" from Judaism and Christianity....you will ALWAYS find that they are the best!!

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And all this by a person, who did not know how to read and how to write and had no known teacher from his contemporaries, can you GUESS from where he got the info?
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<quoted text>Jesus and Paul's teaching about God is much more superior then Muhammad's teaching about Allah the the Muslim pagan moon god.
That's what MUQ!
Why you are speaking of Jesus and Paul as one?

I have yet to see what is Superior, by making a created human being into a God?

Or what is so superior about some one dieing and taking away the sin of the whole world?

To me it seems a childish way to do away with humans trying to control and regulate their lives.

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And you abuses and gutter language continues in the mean time. How would Jesus like your belligerence?
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So, why are you so ashamed to be a Jew, when Jesus and Paul were Jews?
This is what we tell you to do. Go and renounce Christianity immediately.
BOTH JEWS AND GENTILES ARE UNITED THROUGH CHRIST

49.6 ONCE WE WERE ALL DEAD TO WORLDLY SIN, NOW CHRIST HAS MADE US ALIVE SPIRITUALLY

Ephesians 2:1-3 - To you, who were spiritually dead all the time that you drifted along on the stream of this world's ideas of living, and obeyed its unseen ruler (who is still operating in those who do not respond to the truth of God), to you Christ has given life! We all lived like that in the past, and followed the impulses and imaginations of our evil nature, being in fact under the wrath of God by nature, like everyone else.

49.7 NOW WE ARE SAVED THROUGH FAITH IN CHRIST, AND N0T BY ANY AMOUNT OF GOOD WORKS WE MAY DO

Ephesians 2:4-10 - But even though we were dead in our sins God, who is rich in mercy, because of the great love he had for us, gave us life together with Christ - it is, remember, by grace and not by achievement that you are saved - and has lifted us right out of the old life to take our place with him in Christ in the Heavens. Thus he shows for all time the tremendous generosity of the grace and kindness he has expressed towards us in Christ Jesus. It was nothing you could or did achieve - it was God's gift to you. No one can pride himself upon earning the love of God. The fact is that what we are we owe to the hand of God upon us. We are born afresh in Christ, and born to do those good deeds which God planned for us to do.

49.8 BEFORE CHRIST CAME, GENTILES WERE EXCLUDED FROM GOD'S PROMISES TO THE JEWS, BUT NO LONGER

Ephesians 2:11-13 - Do not lose sight of the fact they you were born "Gentiles", known by those whose bodies were circumcised (the Jews) as "the uncircumcised". You were without Christ, you were utter strangers to God's chosen community, the Jews, and you had no knowledge of, or right to, the promised agreements. You had nothing to look forward to and no God to whom you could turn. But now, through the blood of Christ, you who were once outside the pale are with us inside the circle of God's love and purpose.

49.9 CHRIST HAS BROUGHT JEW AND GENTILE TOGETHER THROUGH HIS DEATH ON THE CROSS

Ephesians 2:14-18 - For Christ is our living peace. He has made a unity of the conflicting elements of Jew and Gentile by breaking down the barrier which lay between us. By his sacrifice he removed the hostility of the Law, with all its commandments and rules, and made in himself out of the two, Jew and Gentile, one new man, thus producing peace. For he reconciled both to God by the sacrifice of one body on the cross, and by this act made utterly irrelevant the antagonism between them. Then he came and told both you who were far from God (the Gentiles) and us who were near (the Jews) that the war was over. And it is through him that both of us now can approach the Father in the one Spirit.

49.10 NOW WE ARE ALL BUILDING BLOCKS IN CHRIST'S CHURCH

Ephesians 2:19-3:1 - So you are no longer outsiders or aliens, but fellow-citizens with every other Christian - you belong now to the household of God. Firmly beneath you in the foundation, God's messengers (apostles) and prophets, the actual foundation-stone being Jesus Christ himself. In him each separate piece of building, properly fitting into its neighbour, grows together into a temple consecrated to God. You are all part of this building in which God himself lives by his spirit.

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I don't think so. Their teaching was extremely lousy. Both left behind massive confusion and ignorance.
Came in the pagans and confused all further and it took them 400-570 years to create the mess, which is now known as modern Christianity. How can theri teaching be superior to that of Muhammad?
Muhammad taught that there is only one God Almighty LORD Allah, while Jesus and Paul taught a self-loathing man god.
Jesus did not teach Christianity. The Son of Maryam taught Judaism.
But Muhammad falsely preached a pagan moon god as being God Almighty.
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Happy New Year.
Are you that wise Christian, who keeps on kissing Jesus' arse?
May your Lord's Holy Fart be upon you! Amen!
Iesous Christos nika kai oooola ta kaka skorpa,.

how unbearably elegant!
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Why you are speaking of Jesus and Paul as one?
I have yet to see what is Superior, by making a created human being into a God?
Or what is so superior about some one dieing and taking away the sin of the whole world?
To me it seems a childish way to do away with humans trying to control and regulate their lives.
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And you abuses and gutter language continues in the mean time. How would Jesus like your belligerence?
Jesus was not created.
Incarnation
To incarnate means to become flesh. The incarnation of Jesus is when the human nature (Jesus the man) was added to the nature of God the second person of the Trinity. It is where God became a man (John 1:1,14; Phil. 2:5-8).

It was the voluntary act of Jesus to humble himself so that he might die for our sins (1 Pet. 3:18). Thus, Jesus has two natures: Divine and human. This is known as the Hypostatic Union.

The doctrine is of vital importance by it we understand the true nature of God, the atonement, forgiveness, grace, etc. It is only God who could pay for sins.

Therefore, God became man (John 1:1,14) to die for our sins (1 Pet. 2:24) which is the atonement. Through Jesus we have forgiveness of sins. Since we are saved by grace through faith (Eph. 2:8-9) it is essential that our object of faith be accurate.

The doctrine of the incarnation ensures accuracy, the knowledge that God died on the cross to atone for sin and that the God-man (Jesus) is now in heaven as a mediator (1 Tim. 2:5) between us and God.

Jesus came to reveal the Father (Matt. 11:27; Luke 10:22), to do His will (Heb. 10:5-9), to fulfill prophecy (Luke 4:17-21), to reconcile the world (2 Cor. 5:18-21), and to become our High Priest (Heb. 7:24-28).(Contrast with Kenosis)


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See, you still hold your foot in your mouth and try to talk.
First, evolution is a bull shit. You wrote this:
Evolution is a bull shit because you said so? LOL

Have you ever thought that your opinions are worthless?

How do you call an out-of-nothing instead?
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<quoted text>Here also, you confirm that somebody laid eggs. So, the reptile came first. Your reptile was the chicken.
The point was not who laid the egg, dummy, but rather who came first between egg and chicken, and for your information reptiles are not chickens.

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I can't agree with folks, who write stupidities.
So, you don't even agree with yourself?
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>Paul lived during Jesus' time and he must have learned a lot from the shrewd and cunning Romans.
Muhammad was born in the 7th Century.
You have just explained why Muhammad is the kings of frauds. He was born more than 600 years after Paul, and had learnt all the old tricks, he knew which of them work and which not, plus he knew the ones of his time.
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Shamma wrote:
BOTH JEWS AND GENTILES ARE UNITED THROUGH CHRIST
49.6 ONCE WE WERE ALL DEAD TO WORLDLY SIN, NOW CHRIST HAS MADE US ALIVE SPIRITUALLY
Ephesians 2:1-3 - To you, who were spiritually dead all the time that you drifted along on the stream of this world's ideas of living, and obeyed its unseen ruler (who is still operating in those who do not respond to the truth of God), to you Christ has given life! We all lived like that in the past, and followed the impulses and imaginations of our evil nature, being in fact under the wrath of God by nature, like everyone else.
49.7 NOW WE ARE SAVED THROUGH FAITH IN CHRIST, AND N0T BY ANY AMOUNT OF GOOD WORKS WE MAY DO
Ephesians 2:4-10 - But even though we were dead in our sins God, who is rich in mercy, because of the great love he had for us, gave us life together with Christ - it is, remember, by grace and not by achievement that you are saved - and has lifted us right out of the old life to take our place with him in Christ in the Heavens. Thus he shows for all time the tremendous generosity of the grace and kindness he has expressed towards us in Christ Jesus. It was nothing you could or did achieve - it was God's gift to you. No one can pride himself upon earning the love of God. The fact is that what we are we owe to the hand of God upon us. We are born afresh in Christ, and born to do those good deeds which God planned for us to do.
49.8 BEFORE CHRIST CAME, GENTILES WERE EXCLUDED FROM GOD'S PROMISES TO THE JEWS, BUT NO LONGER
Ephesians 2:11-13 - Do not lose sight of the fact they you were born "Gentiles", known by those whose bodies were circumcised (the Jews) as "the uncircumcised". You were without Christ, you were utter strangers to God's chosen community, the Jews, and you had no knowledge of, or right to, the promised agreements. You had nothing to look forward to and no God to whom you could turn. But now, through the blood of Christ, you who were once outside the pale are with us inside the circle of God's love and purpose.
49.9 CHRIST HAS BROUGHT JEW AND GENTILE TOGETHER THROUGH HIS DEATH ON THE CROSS
Ephesians 2:14-18 - For Christ is our living peace. He has made a unity of the conflicting elements of Jew and Gentile by breaking down the barrier which lay between us. By his sacrifice he removed the hostility of the Law, with all its commandments and rules, and made in himself out of the two, Jew and Gentile, one new man, thus producing peace. For he reconciled both to God by the sacrifice of one body on the cross, and by this act made utterly irrelevant the antagonism between them. Then he came and told both you who were far from God (the Gentiles) and us who were near (the Jews) that the war was over. And it is through him that both of us now can approach the Father in the one Spirit.
49.10 NOW WE ARE ALL BUILDING BLOCKS IN CHRIST'S CHURCH
Ephesians 2:19-3:1 - So you are no longer outsiders or aliens, but fellow-citizens with every other Christian - you belong now to the household of God. Firmly beneath you in the foundation, God's messengers (apostles) and prophets, the actual foundation-stone being Jesus Christ himself. In him each separate piece of building, properly fitting into its neighbour, grows together into a temple consecrated to God. You are all part of this building in which God himself lives by his spirit.
There is not even a word from Jesus in the whole damned passage.

I would like to interpret the opening lines, which you wrote:

"BOTH JEWS AND GENTILES ARE UNITED THROUGH CHRIST

49.6 ONCE WE WERE ALL DEAD TO WORLDLY SIN, NOW CHRIST HAS MADE US ALIVE SPIRITUALLY"

The Jews keep themselves miles away from your Christ and Christianity, Shamma. So, please never talk such rubbish about Jews.

To me and to everyone, it shows that you are ALIVE SPIRITUALLY IN SIN NOW, because you were dead in sin in the past.

Go but sin no more!
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<quoted text> But Muhammad falsely preached a pagan moon god as being God Almighty.
No!

Moon god, man god, moan god, father god, son god and ghost god were all created and taught by churchmen of the pagan Church.

Muhammad preached the Almighty God of Abraham. Do you think the Almighty God of Abraham was a pagan moon god?
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49.7 NOW WE ARE SAVED THROUGH FAITH IN CHRIST, AND N0T BY ANY AMOUNT OF GOOD WORKS WE MAY DO, and born to do those good deeds which God planned for us to do.
You are not saved. Paul has got himself and all of you eternally damned.

This Pauline bull shit is totally against the teaching of Jesus! Now, you know why we call Paul a liar.

Jesus taught repentance and righteousness, which is good works. James taught the same and Paul, the Lying Fraud taught clearly against what Jesus and James told you. This is where clueless fools like your good self, do not know about your own books.
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over. And it is through him that both of us now can approach the Father in the one Spirit.
49.10 NOW WE ARE ALL BUILDING BLOCKS IN CHRIST'S CHURCH
Yes, please build more blocks of lies. Permit me to call the Church as a Skyscraper of Lies.
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Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>Paul shames the pagan Muslims with his teachings of God.
"St. Paul" was born a Jew
In 2Cor 11:22 Saul wrote that he was descended from Abraham and Israel. Who were Abraham and Israel?
Abraham was the first Hebrew. God changed his name from Abram (Gen. 17:5). In Gen. 14:13 he is called Abram the Hebrew. Abraham is the father of the Jews (Acts 3:12-25). So we can see that Saul is descended from "Abram the Hebrew," the father of the Jews. Even to this day, Jews are also called "Hebrews", and the language of the Jews is "Hebrew."
Israel was originally called Jacob (Gen. 35:10-12) and he was Abraham's grandson (Matt. 1:2). He had twelve sons (Gen. 35:23-26) from whom come the Twelve Tribes of Israel. All of their descendants are known collectively throughout the Bible as the Children of Israel (Ex. 1:6-7).
One of those twelve sons was Judah (Gen. 35:23, Matt. 1:2) and it is from his name that we get the word 'Jew'. Although Yehudah (Judah) was only one of the twelve, by 700 BCE, because of the course of Israel's history, the word Yehudee (Jew) came to mean any person descended from Israel (Jer. 34:9). When Saul wrote that he was descended from Abraham and Israel, he was saying he was born a Jew.
"St. Paul" grew up as a Jew
In Phil 3:5 Saul called himself a "Hebrew of Hebrews," probably meaning "I speak Hebrew and I came from Hebrew-speaking parents." His father was a Pharisee (Acts 23:6). In his letter to the believers in Philippi, Saul described himself as having been circumcised as an infant on the eighth day (Phil 3:5). Obviously his Jewish parents did this in observance of the Torah commandment (Lev 12:2-3). He further confirmed this by stating that he is of the people Israel and he went on to cite his tribal descent (Benjamin), which is something few Jews can do today. We see the same in Romans 11:1, where Saul wrote that he was, "an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin."
Saul lived during the time of Rome's military occupation of Israel. Although born in Tarsus (Acts 22:3), he grew up among the Jews of Jerusalem, as a Pharisee (Acts 26:4-5). Again, the importance of the Torah in his family's life can be demonstrated. They made the considerable commitment of having him taught by Gamli'el (Acts 22:3), the foremost Jewish educator of the time (Acts 5:34). To achieve this, Saul must have been an excellent student and deeply committed to the Hebrew scriptures.
Recounting this as an adult, he described himself as "thoroughly trained in the Torah of our fathers" (Acts 22:3), he self-identified as a Jew (Acts 22:3), and he described the Jews as "my own nation" (Acts 26:4). Saul was raised as a Jew.
"St. Paul" lived as a Jew
As a believer in Yeshua, Saul continued to be a Jew. When he first came to faith he took a mikvah (Acts 9:18) and taught in the Synagogues of Damascus (Acts 9:20). Indeed, he initially argued with the Hellenists (Acts 9:29). Saul continued to worship with other Jews. The book of Acts contains at least ten other references to his ongoing Synagogue attendance (13:5, 13:14, 13:44, 14:1, 17:1-2, 17:10, 17:17, 18:4, 18:19, 19:8). Saul self-identified as a Jew (Gal 2:15), and he considered other Jewish believers to be Jewish (Gal 2:13). For instance, he considered Kefa (Peter) to be Jewish (Gal 2:14).
Shamma, thought it s very informative , I have a question . Why did you give all this ? did anyone question Paul's Jewishness?
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<quoted text> Jesus was not created.
Incarnation
To incarnate means to become flesh. The incarnation of Jesus is when the human nature (Jesus the man) was added to the nature of God the second person of the Trinity. It is where God became a man (John 1:1,14; Phil. 2:5-8).
It was the voluntary act of Jesus to humble himself so that he might die for our sins (1 Pet. 3:18). Thus, Jesus has two natures: Divine and human. This is known as the Hypostatic Union.
The doctrine is of vital importance by it we understand the true nature of God, the atonement, forgiveness, grace, etc. It is only God who could pay for sins.
Therefore, God became man (John 1:1,14) to die for our sins (1 Pet. 2:24) which is the atonement. Through Jesus we have forgiveness of sins. Since we are saved by grace through faith (Eph. 2:8-9) it is essential that our object of faith be accurate.
The doctrine of the incarnation ensures accuracy, the knowledge that God died on the cross to atone for sin and that the God-man (Jesus) is now in heaven as a mediator (1 Tim. 2:5) between us and God.
Jesus came to reveal the Father (Matt. 11:27; Luke 10:22), to do His will (Heb. 10:5-9), to fulfill prophecy (Luke 4:17-21), to reconcile the world (2 Cor. 5:18-21), and to become our High Priest (Heb. 7:24-28).(Contrast with Kenosis)
Your God is your High Priest? Who then is this High Priest's God?

Don't believe in the above ridiculous stories.
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A. Christians not "Interested' in Islam?
This is strange, as there are so many Christians on this thread giving "expert opinion" on Islam.
And in past 150 years more than 60,000 Books have been written against Islam by Christian writers.
Everybody can have an opinion MUQ about anything. Just like Muslims have an opinion about christ that claims to be the correct as opposed to that of christians' similarly christians can have an opinion about the muslim opinion of chirst. and christianity.

But what I meant was that a christian is not interested in studying islam ; finding the truths islam suggests. I 'll repeat islamic truths of islam about ..Christ are truths of part of Christ. one who cares will find Christ in chrsitianity it makes sense I guess one who's interested in Karl Marx will study an discover him in communism nowhere else. Except if nazism for example claims to know communism and Marx better than communism Im sure you get my point..
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B. Why to think of Salad, ignoring main Dish?
Why not eat main dish and Salad too? When you accept islam, you accept all previous prophets too.
Ithought so far you understood that 'salad" is a figure of speech and yes a salad is usually just that: a mixtured of ingredients and that's what islam is : a mixture of religious ingredients.

the main dish is Christ hims a whole you either like the main dish or you stay away from it. Which brings us back to the square 1 if you dont like the main dish Christ why would a chrsitian or anyonen who dislikes that main dish would look for be interested in or settle for a salad with a dash or the disliked main dish?

in case the word "salad" has been overused I can switch to cocktail My point is the same. maybe even better
suppose islam theology and muslim believers dont like tequila . they dont like orange juice either. Why on earh would islam offer to the world a tequilla sunrise cocktail as THE one and only the absolute the perfect beverage ?

beats me and common sense..
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C. Christian' past history:
You are not aware of past history of Christian's infighting and what they did to other nations.
All in all Christians are the people who have spilled more innocent human blood than all other religions combined.
So do not think that Christians are like Wooly lamb, pure as white snow.
I never said that christians are lambs or saints. Christians and those who have hijacked chrsitianity can be as bad as ever as anyone in humanity's history . Chrsitianity has been used and abused and manipulated by those "chritian" expert representatives.
Wars in the name of God bloodshed because God is "with us", no end.

but Christ??? he cant be hijacked. he cant be forged represented by anyone Unless christians say anything different than what jesus said and practised.. they are christians in name only . At least we can tell the difference between what jesus said and what his "followers" practise.

I never heard any chrstian teaching encourage people to IMPOSE their christ on anyone with force . that's a truth you cannot dispute.

I said christian teaching not christian ...politicians. ok?

unfortunately islam forgets it's supposed to be a religion an way to understanding God but rather wishes to play the role of a political societal SYSTEM of do's and dont's ...OR ELSE.

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