Who Is Allah?

Who Is Allah?

There are 253561 comments on the The Brussels Journal story from Aug 24, 2007, titled Who Is Allah?. In it, The Brussels Journal reports that:

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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#195120 Nov 16, 2013
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Islam was formed from out of those heretic religions.

The doctrines of this sect are said by Irenaeus to be like those of Cerinthus and Carpocrates. They denied the Divinity and the virginal birth of Christ; they clung to the observance of the Jewish Law; they regarded St. Paul as an apostate, and used only a Gospel according to St. Matthew (Adv. Haer., I, xxvi, 2; III, xxi, 2; IV, xxxiii, 4; V, i, 3). Their doctrines are similarly described by Hippolytus (Philos., VIII, xxii, X, xviii) and Tertullian (De carne Chr., xiv, 18), but their observance of the Law seems no longer so prominent a feature of their system as in the account given by Irenaeus. Origen is the first (Against Celsus V.61) to mark a distinction between two classes of Ebionites, a distinction which Eusebius also gives (Church History III.27). Some Ebionites accept, but others reject, the virginal birth of Christ, though all reject His pre-existence and His Divinity. Those who accepted the virginal birth seem to have had more exalted views concerning Christ and, besides observing the Sabbath, to have kept the Sunday as a memorial of His Resurrection. The milder sort of Ebionites were probably fewer and less important than their stricter brethren, because the denial of the virgin birth was commonly attributed to all.(Origen, Hom. in Luc., xvii) St. Epiphanius calls the more heretical section Ebionites, and the more Catholic-minded, Nazarenes. But we do not know whence St. Epiphanius obtained his information or or how far it is reliable. It is very hazardous, therefore, to maintain, as is sometimes done, that the distinction between Nazarenes and Ebionites goes back to the earliest days of Christianity.

Besides these merely Judaistic Ebionites, there existed a later Gnostic development of the same heresy. These Ebionite Gnostics differed widely from the main schools of Gnosticism, in that they absolutely rejected any distinction between Jehovah the Demiurge, and the Supreme Good God. Those who regard this distinction as essential to Gnosticism would even object to classing Ebionites as Gnostics. But on the other hand the general character of their teaching is unmistakably Gnostic. This can be gathered from the Pseudo-Clementines and may be summed up as follows: Matter is eternal, and an emanation of the Deity; nay it constitutes, as it were, God's body. Creation, therefore, is but the transformation of pre-existing material. God thus "creates" the universe by the instrumentality of His wisdom which is described as a "demiurgic hand" (cheir demiourgousa) producing the world. But this Logos, or Sophia, does not constitute a different person, as in Christian theology. Sophia produces the world by a successive evolution of syzygies, the female in each case preceding the male but being finally overcome by him. This universe is, moreover, divided into two realms, that of good and that of evil. The Son of God rules over the realm of the good, and to him is given the world to come, but the Prince of Evil is the prince of this world (cf. John 14:30; Ephesians 1:21; 6:12). This Son of God is the Christ, a middle-being between God and creation, not a creature, yet not equal to, nor even to be compared with, the Father (autogenneto ou sygkrinetai — "Hom.", xvi, 16). Adam was the bearer of the first revelation, Moses of the second, Christ of the third and perfect one. The union of Christ with Jesus is involved in obscurity. Man is saved by knowledge (gnosis), by believing in God the Teacher, and by being baptized unto remission of sins. Thus he receives knowledge and strength to observe all the precepts of the law. Christ shall come again to triumph over Antichrist as light dispels darkness. The system is Pantheism, Persian Dualism, Judaism, and Christianity fused together, and here and there reminds one of Mandaistic literature. The "Recognitions", as given us in Rufinus's translation (revision?), come nearer to Catholic teaching than do the "Homilies".

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#195121 Nov 16, 2013
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Islam was formed from these heretic regions.

Amongst the writings of the Ebionites must be mentioned:
•Their Gospel. St. Irenæus only states that they used the Gospel of St. Matthew. Eusebius modifies this statement by speaking of the so-called Gospel according to the Hebrews, which was known to Hegesippus (Eusebius, Church History IV.22.8), Origen (Jerome, Illustrious Men 2), and Clem. Alex.(Stromata II.9.45). This, probably, was the slightly modified Aramaic original of St. Matthew, written in Hebrew characters. But St. Epiphanius attributes this to the Nazarenes, while the Ebionites proper only possessed an incomplete, falsified, and truncated copy thereof (Adv. Haer., xxix, 9). It is possibly identical with the Gospel of the Twelve.
•Their Apocrypha: "The Circuits of Peter" (periodoi Petrou) and Acts of the Apostles, amongst which the "Ascents of James" (anabathmoi Iakobou). The first-named books are substantially contained in the Clementine Homilies under the title of Clement's "Compendium of Peter's itinerary sermons", and also in the "Recognitions" ascribed to the same. They form an early Christian didactic novel to propagate Ebionite views, i.e. their Gnostic doctrines, the supremacy of James, their connection with Rome, and their antagonism to Simon Magus.(See CLEMENTINES.)
•The Works of Symmachus, i.e. his translation of the Old Testament (see VERSIONS OF THE BIBLE; SYMMACHUS THE EBIONITE), and his "Hypomnemata" against the canonical Gospel of St. Matthew. The latter work, which is totally lost (Eusebius, Church History VI.17; Jerome, Illustrious Men 44), is probably identical with "De distinctione præceptorum", mentioned by Ebed Jesu (Assemani, Bibl. Or., III, 1).
•The book of Elchesai, or of "The Hidden power", purporting to have been written about A.D. 100 and brought to Rome about A.D. 217 by Alcibiades of Apamea. Those who accepted its doctrines and its new baptism were called Elchesaites.(Hipp., "Philos.", IX, xiv-xvii; Epiph., "Haer.", xix, 1; liii, 1.)
Of the history of this sect hardly anything is known. They exerted only the slightest influence in the East and none at all in the West, where they were known as Symmachiani. In St. Epiphanius's time small communities seem still to have existed in some hamlets of Syria and Palestine, but they were lost in obscurity. Further east, in Babylonia and Persia, their influence is perhaps traceable amongst the Mandeans, and it is suggested by Uhlhorn and others that they may be brought into connection with the origin of Islam.

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#195122 Nov 16, 2013
Mujahid wrote:
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When Jesus comes back one day, He will tell tham that. I hate to see how long would the Christians remain misguided by a man written Bible. We have to be patient till then.
Children draw conclusions based on previous experience. Small white jewish turned christian children often conclude that the dark skinned people are dirty and dangerous. They have been raised probably under a home environment that says all Muslims are ferocious mutt of the mechanic's shops. Their shrimp sized dead brain thinks that all Muslims are terrorists. And as long as they cannot change their negative thoughts and views about Muslims, they would continue to suffer like they are doing now.
They have no remose or guilt for killing 500,000 innocent Iraqis based on poor WOMD intelligence. How long would America support a scary, insecure and freaked out Israel. Why is Israel not subjected to Nuclear inspection and WOMDs?
Tolerance is way of living with our differences. In any civilized society, not necessarily the Western society, we offer each other attention and respect even when we cannot agree.
Please don't be a prisoner of hatred and intolerance if you wish to convince me with any of your arguments.
You are a Muslim clown!
you don't know anything about the religion of Islam!

Muhammad formed his religion of Islam from other heretic religions that existed around him.

Amongst the writings of the Ebionites must be mentioned:
•Their Gospel. St. Irenæus only states that they used the Gospel of St. Matthew. Eusebius modifies this statement by speaking of the so-called Gospel according to the Hebrews, which was known to Hegesippus (Eusebius, Church History IV.22.8), Origen (Jerome, Illustrious Men 2), and Clem. Alex.(Stromata II.9.45). This, probably, was the slightly modified Aramaic original of St. Matthew, written in Hebrew characters. But St. Epiphanius attributes this to the Nazarenes, while the Ebionites proper only possessed an incomplete, falsified, and truncated copy thereof (Adv. Haer., xxix, 9). It is possibly identical with the Gospel of the Twelve.
•Their Apocrypha: "The Circuits of Peter" (periodoi Petrou) and Acts of the Apostles, amongst which the "Ascents of James" (anabathmoi Iakobou). The first-named books are substantially contained in the Clementine Homilies under the title of Clement's "Compendium of Peter's itinerary sermons", and also in the "Recognitions" ascribed to the same. They form an early Christian didactic novel to propagate Ebionite views, i.e. their Gnostic doctrines, the supremacy of James, their connection with Rome, and their antagonism to Simon Magus.(See CLEMENTINES.)
•The Works of Symmachus, i.e. his translation of the Old Testament (see VERSIONS OF THE BIBLE; SYMMACHUS THE EBIONITE), and his "Hypomnemata" against the canonical Gospel of St. Matthew. The latter work, which is totally lost (Eusebius, Church History VI.17; Jerome, Illustrious Men 44), is probably identical with "De distinctione præceptorum", mentioned by Ebed Jesu (Assemani, Bibl. Or., III, 1).

•The book of Elchesai, or of "The Hidden power", purporting to have been written about A.D. 100 and brought to Rome about A.D. 217 by Alcibiades of Apamea. Those who accepted its doctrines and its new baptism were called Elchesaites.(Hipp., "Philos.", IX, xiv-xvii; Epiph., "Haer.", xix, 1; liii, 1.)

Of the history of this sect hardly anything is known. They exerted only the slightest influence in the East and none at all in the West, where they were known as Symmachiani. In St. Epiphanius's time small communities seem still to have existed in some hamlets of Syria and Palestine, but they were lost in obscurity. Further east, in Babylonia and Persia, their influence is perhaps traceable amongst the Mandeans, and it is suggested by Uhlhorn and others that they may be brought into connection with the origin of Islam.

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#195123 Nov 16, 2013
Mujahid wrote:
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When Jesus comes back one day, He will tell tham that. I hate to see how long would the Christians remain misguided by a man written Bible. We have to be patient till then.
Children draw conclusions based on previous experience. Small white jewish turned christian children often conclude that the dark skinned people are dirty and dangerous. They have been raised probably under a home environment that says all Muslims are ferocious mutt of the mechanic's shops. Their shrimp sized dead brain thinks that all Muslims are terrorists. And as long as they cannot change their negative thoughts and views about Muslims, they would continue to suffer like they are doing now.
They have no remose or guilt for killing 500,000 innocent Iraqis based on poor WOMD intelligence. How long would America support a scary, insecure and freaked out Israel. Why is Israel not subjected to Nuclear inspection and WOMDs?
Tolerance is way of living with our differences. In any civilized society, not necessarily the Western society, we offer each other attention and respect even when we cannot agree.
Please don't be a prisoner of hatred and intolerance if you wish to convince me with any of your arguments.
You are a Muslim clown!
You don't know anything about the religion of Islam.

Islam was formed from these heretic regions.

Amongst the writings of the Ebionites must be mentioned:
•Their Gospel. St. Irenæus only states that they used the Gospel of St. Matthew. Eusebius modifies this statement by speaking of the so-called Gospel according to the Hebrews, which was known to Hegesippus (Eusebius, Church History IV.22.8), Origen (Jerome, Illustrious Men 2), and Clem. Alex.(Stromata II.9.45). This, probably, was the slightly modified Aramaic original of St. Matthew, written in Hebrew characters. But St. Epiphanius attributes this to the Nazarenes, while the Ebionites proper only possessed an incomplete, falsified, and truncated copy thereof (Adv. Haer., xxix, 9). It is possibly identical with the Gospel of the Twelve.
•Their Apocrypha: "The Circuits of Peter" (periodoi Petrou) and Acts of the Apostles, amongst which the "Ascents of James" (anabathmoi Iakobou). The first-named books are substantially contained in the Clementine Homilies under the title of Clement's "Compendium of Peter's itinerary sermons", and also in the "Recognitions" ascribed to the same. They form an early Christian didactic novel to propagate Ebionite views, i.e. their Gnostic doctrines, the supremacy of James, their connection with Rome, and their antagonism to Simon Magus.(See CLEMENTINES.)
•The Works of Symmachus, i.e. his translation of the Old Testament (see VERSIONS OF THE BIBLE; SYMMACHUS THE EBIONITE), and his "Hypomnemata" against the canonical Gospel of St. Matthew. The latter work, which is totally lost (Eusebius, Church History VI.17; Jerome, Illustrious Men 44), is probably identical with "De distinctione præceptorum", mentioned by Ebed Jesu (Assemani, Bibl. Or., III, 1).
•The book of Elchesai, or of "The Hidden power", purporting to have been written about A.D. 100 and brought to Rome about A.D. 217 by Alcibiades of Apamea. Those who accepted its doctrines and its new baptism were called Elchesaites.(Hipp., "Philos.", IX, xiv-xvii; Epiph., "Haer.", xix, 1; liii, 1.)

Of the history of this sect hardly anything is known. They exerted only the slightest influence in the East and none at all in the West, where they were known as Symmachiani. In St. Epiphanius's time small communities seem still to have existed in some hamlets of Syria and Palestine, but they were lost in obscurity. Further east, in Babylonia and Persia.

Their influence is perhaps traceable amongst the Mandeans, and it is suggested by Uhlhorn and others that they may be brought into connection with the origin of Islam.
El Cid

Saint Albans, WV

#195124 Nov 17, 2013
MAAT wrote:
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I think the NT is comparable to the hadith, for the strange thing is that people have to rely upon the greek translation of the HB.
Where are the rules found in the NT?
In the quraan you might also find a verse on not killing or enslaving fellow-believers=brothers and sisters.
But what would compare to Bukhari is:
http://www.badnewsaboutchristianity.com/gh0_v...
Covering the same timeframe, when only christians could enlist in the army. And we are quite aware as to what happened to 'unbelievers'.
I just have to look at Hebrews to have it spelled out.
Comparisons do not make things clearer. People would for one always find fault.
From your link:

"The question about taking part in war was straightforward to early Christians. In the earliest days of Christianity, they refused to serve as soldiers. Until AD 175 there was not a single Christian prepared to defend the Roman Empire. When Christians did appear amongst the ranks, Church leaders like Tertullian encouraged them to desert. In the fourth century the official line softened. St Basil thought that soldiers who killed in battle should refrain from taking Communion for three years as a sign of repentance. After the Empire became Christian, the prevailing view changed completely. By 416 only Christians were allowed to enlist. Soon the Imperial army was manned entirely by Christians. By the middle of the ninth century Pope Leo IV was confidently declaring that anyone dying in battle for the defence of the Church would receive a heavenly reward*. A few years later another pope was ranking those who fell in a holy war along with the martyrs*. Soon, anyone who doubted the propriety of Christians killing non-Christians, or even killing other Christians, was liable to be executed for heresy or blasphemy.

Now there was no question that Christians were allowed to kill in battle, but what about killing prisoners? Reference was made to the Bible. Time and time again God had authorised killing, not only in the heat of battle but also afterwards. God not merely authorised the slaying of prisoners but also on occasion demanded it. Clearly the sixth commandment did not apply to God's enemies, even if they were Christians, women, helpless prisoners, or all three. Countless Christian armies have been responsible for the massacre of captives: men, women and children alike, a record that Christian armies have sustained into recent times. When these massacres had to be explained away, they were invariably justified by reference to God's own proclivities as set out in the Old Testament."

Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction.
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pensées
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El Cid

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#195125 Nov 17, 2013
Matthew 5:3 “Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 4 Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted. 5 Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth. 6 Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,for they will be filled. 7 Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy. 8 Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God. 9 Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God. 10 Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

11 “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
El Cid

Saint Albans, WV

#195126 Nov 17, 2013
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prayer_of_Saint_...

The Prayer of Saint Francis is a Catholic Christian prayer. It is widely but erroneously attributed to the 13th-century saint Francis of Assisi. The prayer in its present form cannot be traced back further than 1912, when it was printed in Paris in French, in a small spiritual magazine called La Clochette (The Little Bell), published by La Ligue de la Sainte-Messe (The Holy Mass League). The author's name was not given, although it may have been the founder of La Ligue, Fr. Esther Bouquerel.

Lord, make me an instrument of Thy peace;
Where there is hatred, let me sow love;
Where there is injury, pardon;
Where there is error, truth;
Where there is doubt, faith;
Where there is despair, hope;
Where there is darkness, light;
And where there is sadness, joy.

O Divine Master, Grant that I may not so much seek
To be consoled as to console;
To be understood as to understand;
To be loved as to love.
For it is in giving that we receive;
It is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
And it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.
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El Cid

Saint Albans, WV

#195127 Nov 17, 2013
Cont.

Mother Teresa of Kolkata (Calcutta, India) made it part of the morning prayers of the Roman Catholic religious institute she established, the Missionaries of Charity. She attributed importance to it when receiving the Nobel Peace Prize in Oslo in 1979 and asked that it be recited.

Margaret Thatcher, after winning the 1979 United Kingdom general election, paraphrased the prayer on the doorstep of 10 Downing Street, surrounded by a throng of reporters, having "kissed hands" with Queen Elizabeth II and become Prime Minister.

Archbishop Desmond Tutu, winner of the 1984 Nobel Peace Prize, declared that it was "an integral part" of his devotions.

In October 1995, President Bill Clinton quoted it in his welcoming speech to Pope John Paul II on his arrival in New York to address the United Nations.

Nancy Pelosi used it when she became Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives in 2007.[5]

Musical adaptations of the prayer include those by John Rutter, John Foley, John Michael Talbot, Sarah McLachlan, Moya Brennan, Sarah Hart, Sebastian Temple, Denison Witmer, the Ragamuffin Band, the Burns Sisters, Singh Kaur, Joey Rumor, and Ryan Cayabyab and also alyssa ashley digamo live in maynila .

The prayer is quoted in the movie Rambo by a priest as he blesses Sylvester Stallone before he sets off into Burma to rescue humanitarian workers.

The prayer is quoted in an episode of the television series Justified (TV series) by the character Boyd Crowder, who preaches it to character Marshall Raylan Givens after having a revelation.

The medic Eugene Roe recites part of the prayer in the episode "Bastogne" of Band of Brothers.

The prayer was used in a slightly abbreviated form in the 1972 film, Brother Sun, Sister Moon.

The prayer is also included in the song "The Shattered Fortress" by Dream Theater.

The prayer is used by Grandmaster Choa Kok Sui in his Twin Hearts Meditation.

The prayer is part of the mural above the interior entrance to the St. Anthony Dining Room on Leavenworth Street in the Tenderloin District of San Francisco, California.

The prayer was read by the character of Sonny Corinthos at the funeral of Stone Cates in 1995 on General Hospital.

The hymn form of the prayer was also a part of the funeral for Diana, Princess of Wales on 6 September 1997. Sinéad O'Connor included her version of the song on the Princess Diana tribute album.

The prayer is sung by Snatam Kaur in her song Servant of Peace, which is on her album Liberation's Door.

The prayer is recited by Shepherd Book in the Firefly TV Series based comic The Shepherd's Tale

The prayer was sung during the religious wedding ceremony of Prince Albert II of Monaco to South African Charlene Wittstock on 2 July 2011.

Radhanath Swami cites this in the book "The Journey Home" as an impetus in his epic journey to understand spiritual truths.[6]

The character of George mentions it and quotes wrongly from it ("It's better to love than to be loved...", etc.) in Episode 7 of Season 3 of the television show Bored To Death.

The last episode of season 6 of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, "Grave", uses the Sarah McLachlan song version for a montage.

Reverend Smith, from the HBO series Deadwood, recites lines from the prayer in Season 1, Episode 11 "Jewel's Boot Is Made for Walking".
The prayer can be heard on the Canadian Tenors CD, "The Perfect Gift".(2009). It is called "Instrument of Peace".

JOEL THUMBS UP

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#195128 Nov 17, 2013
Watch the BBC documentary by Christopher Hitchens exposing Mother Teresa as a fraud, a hypocrite, a megalomaniac and a criminal:

Mother Teresa - Hell's Angel

JOEL THUMBS UP

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#195129 Nov 17, 2013
"And it is in dying that we are born to eternal life."

LMAO
bmz

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Singapore

#195130 Nov 17, 2013
MAAT wrote:
I think the NT is comparable to the hadith, for the strange thing is that people have to rely upon the greek translation of the HB.

Where are the rules found in the NT?

In the quraan you might also find a verse on not killing or enslaving fellow-believers=brothers and sisters.

But what would compare to Bukhari is:

http://www.badnewsaboutchristianity.com/gh0_v...
Covering the same timeframe, when only christians could enlist in the army. And we are quite aware as to what happened to 'unbelievers'.
I just have to look at Hebrews to have it spelled out.
Comparisons do not make things clearer. People would for one always find fault.
Exactly! That was brilliant, MAAT and that is what I have been educating Christians here that the New Testament is a collection of tales and narrations, similar to Hadith.

At least the narrator is known in Hadith but in the NT, not a single narrator is known.

Thanks for the good point.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#195131 Nov 17, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
"And it is in dying that we are born to eternal life."
LMAO
Well said. No death, no eternal life.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#195132 Nov 17, 2013
yehoshooah adam wrote:
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rabbee: strange as it may seem, all the rules for their alleged new testament. are all found, in TheTorah. Yeshooah Adam did not preach and teach, from any new testament. not even the claim to be Benee Adam, is from any new testament. The Story of Adam, is in Only and Always TheTorah. as you all do not want to know, what story you all here in from TheG-D of Only TheTorah. and it is the only virgin birth, mentioned in TheTorah. and there is 1948 man years before Adam is returned as adam and his mate on the evening dawn of the third day of G-D afterwards. two days of G-D, is equal to 1948 years. as G-D said to me in person, me and the woman chaooah used to be Him.
Virgin birth in the Torah, Rabbee? Where? Chaoooah, Him?
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#195133 Nov 17, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>You are ignorant!
The Christian Church was founded by Jesus Christ Himself and He alone commissioned the 12 disciple to spread the Gospels Jesus taught them.
The Ebonites and other heretic groups started their own religions without the approval of the 12 disciples.
The word Ebionites, or rather, more correctly, Ebionæans (Ebionaioi), is a transliteration of an Aramean word meaning "poor men". It first occurs in Irenaeus, Adv. Haer., I, xxvi, 2, but without designation of meaning. Origen (Against Celsus II.1; De Princ., IV, i, 22) and Eusebius (Church History III.27) refer the name of these sectaries either to the poverty of their understanding, or to the poverty of the Law to which they clung, or to the poor opinions they held concerning Christ. This, however, is obviously not the historic origin of the name. Other writers, such as Tertullian (De Praescr., xxxiii; De Carne Chr., xiv, 18), Hippolytus (cfr. Pseudo-Tert., Adv. Haer., III, as reflecting Hippolytus's lost "Syntagma"), and Epiphanius (Haeres., xxx) derive the name of the sect from a certain Ebion, its supposed founder. Epiphanius even mentions the place of his birth, a hamlet called Cochabe in the district of Bashan, and relates that he travelled through Asia and even came to Rome. Of modern scholars Hilgenfeld has maintained the historical existence of this Ebion, mainly on the ground of some passages ascribed to Ebion by St. Jerome (Comm. in Gal., iii, 14) and by the author of a compilation of patristic texts against the Monothelites. But these passages are not likely to be genuine, and Ebion, otherwise unknown to history, is probably only an invention to account for the name Ebionites. The name may have been self-imposed by those who gladly claimed the beatitude of being poor in spirit, or who claimed to live after the pattern of the first Christians in Jerusalem, who laid their goods at the feet of the Apostles. Perhaps, however, it was first imposed by others and is to be connected with the notorious poverty of the Christians in Palestine (cf. Galatians 2:10). Recent scholars have plausibly maintained that the term did not originally designate any heretical sect, but merely the orthodox Jewish Christians of Palestine who continued to observe the Mosaic Law. These, ceasing to be in touch with the bulk of the Christian world, would gradually have drifted away from the standard of orthodoxy and become formal heretics. A stage in this development is seen in St. Justin's "Dialogue with Trypho the Jew", chapter xlvii (about A.D. 140), where he speaks of two sects of Jewish Christians estranged from the Church: those who observe the Mosaic Law for themselves, but do not require observance thereof from others; and those who hold it of universal obligation. The latter are considered heretical by all; but with the former St. Justin would hold communion, though not all Christians would show them the same indulgence. St. Justin, however, does not use the term Ebionites, and when this term first occurs (about A.D. 175) it designates a distinctly heretical sect.
Stop lying, please!

There was no Church for the 1st 500 plus years.

All those names of Church fathers in the 1st four hundred years are fake, and all the historians mentioned by the Church are also fake.

The History Department of the Church cooked up fictitious names. Even Ebon was no real person. There were even no gospels for the first four hundred years after Jesus passed away.

Lies upon lies and nothing but lies.

The Church has no original of anything. If it had, it would have displayed them openly.
El Cid

Saint Albans, WV

#195134 Nov 17, 2013
bmz wrote:
Stop lying, please!
There was no Church for the 1st 500 plus years.
All those names of Church fathers in the 1st four hundred years are fake, and all the historians mentioned by the Church are also fake.
The History Department of the Church cooked up fictitious names. Even Ebon was no real person. There were even no gospels for the first four hundred years after Jesus passed away.
Lies upon lies and nothing but lies.
The Church has no original of anything. If it had, it would have displayed them openly.
No Nails,

Where are the links to your sources?

JOEL THUMBS UP

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#195135 Nov 17, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>

Well said. No death, no eternal life.
What?

I didn't say that.

I simply quoted a line from a silly prayer that Butt-fu-cker Buford posted which reads as: "And it is in dying that we are born to eternal life."

How can one die and live eternally when it's obvious that the disembodied conscious-energy like conscious-energy in general could get dissipated owing to its reduced capacity to do work or if it possesses capacity to do further work it could get recycled into other forms or if it attains to a state of equilibrium then it simply stays in a stato-dynamic state?

If you mean physical immortality and physical invincibility then the way out is via some fundamental mystical process....
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#195137 Nov 17, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
<quoted text>
What?
I didn't say that.
I simply quoted a line from a silly prayer that Butt-fu-cker Buford posted which reads as: "And it is in dying that we are born to eternal life."
How can one die and live eternally when it's obvious that the disembodied conscious-energy like conscious-energy in general could get dissipated owing to its reduced capacity to do work or if it possesses capacity to do further work it could get recycled into other forms or if it attains to a state of equilibrium then it simply stays in a stato-dynamic state?
If you mean physical immortality and physical invincibility then the way out is via some fundamental mystical process....
I saw the line from you and commented. Man is mortal!
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#195138 Nov 17, 2013
El Cid wrote:
No Nails,

Where are the links to your sources?
It is common knowledge. Just do some research, Buford and you will discover all the fraud.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#195139 Nov 17, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
Take a close look at Rabbee's eyes - they are crazed.
If you have the yogic sensitivity, you can perceive the unbalanced/adverse forces radiating from his pic.
Take care, don't look too closely and don't interact with him often unless you have the higher force to protect you.
Don't be a scaredy cat, Joel. I have seen worse than that. lol! Rabbee has an overgrown beard.

Nothing frightens me.
asif

Wolverhampton, UK

#195140 Nov 17, 2013
moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child
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Up your ass mohammad - Elif air ab tizak!!!

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