Who Is Allah?

Who Is Allah?

There are 256611 comments on the The Brussels Journal story from Aug 24, 2007, titled Who Is Allah?. In it, The Brussels Journal reports that:

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

Join the discussion below, or Read more at The Brussels Journal.

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#194697 Nov 8, 2013
bmz wrote:
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We know about the next question, which is silly and absurd. So, leave the 2nd dumb part. Nobody expected the Messiah to be the son of God.
Why didn't they expect the Son of God?

Although this list is not exhaustive, you'll find 44 messianic predictions clearly fulfilled in Jesus Christ, along with supporting references from the Old and New Testament.

44 Prophecies Jesus Christ Fulfilled
Old Testament Scripture & New Testament Fulfillment

1 Messiah would be born of a woman. Genesis 3:15
Matthew 1:20 Galatians 4:4
2 Messiah would be born in Bethlehem. Micah 5:2
Matthew 2:1 Luke 2:4-6
3 Messiah would be born of a virgin. Isaiah 7:14
Matthew 1:22-23 Luke 1:26-31
4 Messiah would come from the line of Abraham.
Genesis 12:3 Genesis 22:18 Matthew 1:1 Romans 9:5
5 Messiah would be a descendant of Isaac.
Genesis 17:19 Genesis 21:12 Luke 3:34
6 Messiah would be a descendant of Jacob. Numbers 24:17
Matthew 1:2
7 Messiah would come from the tribe of Judah. Genesis 49:10
Luke 3:33 Hebrews 7:14
8 Messiah would be heir to King David's throne. 2 Samuel 7:12-13
Isaiah 9:7 Luke 1:32-33 Romans 1:3
9 Messiah's throne will be anointed and eternal. Psalm 45:6-7
Daniel 2:44 Luke 1:33 Hebrews 1:8-12
10 Messiah would be called Immanuel. Isaiah 7:14 Matthew 1:23
11 Messiah would spend a season in Egypt. Hosea 11:1
Matthew 2:14-15
12 A massacre of children would happen at Messiah's birthplace.
Jeremiah 31:15 Matthew 2:16-18
13 A messenger would prepare the way for Messiah Isaiah 40:3-5
Luke 3:3-6
14 Messiah would be rejected by his own people. Psalm 69:8
Isaiah 53:3 John 1:11 John 7:5
15 Messiah would be a prophet. Deuteronomy 18:15 Acts 3:20-22
16 Messiah would be preceded by Elijah. Malachi 4:5-6
Matthew 11:13-14
17 Messiah would be declared the Son of God. Psalm 2:7
Matthew 3:16-17
18 Messiah would be called a Nazarene. Isaiah 11:1
Matthew 2:23
19 Messiah would bring light to Galilee. Isaiah 9:1-2
Matthew 4:13-16
20 Messiah would speak in parables. Psalm 78:2-4
Isaiah 6:9-10 Matthew 13:10-15, 34-35
21 Messiah would be sent to heal the brokenhearted. Isaiah 61:1-2
Luke 4:18-19
22 Messiah would be a priest after the order of Melchizedek.
Psalm 110:4 Hebrews 5:5-6
23 Messiah would be called King. Psalm 2:6 Zechariah 9:9
Matthew 27:37 Mark 11:7-11
24 Messiah would be praised by little children. Psalm 8:2
Matthew 21:16
25 Messiah would be betrayed. Psalm 41:9 Zechariah 11:12-13
Luke 22:47-48 Matthew 26:14-16
26 Messiah's price money would be used to buy a potter's field.
Zechariah 11:12-13 Matthew 27:9-10
27 Messiah would be falsely accused. Psalm 35:11 Mark 14:57-58
28 Messiah would be silent before his accusers. Isaiah 53:7
Mark 15:4-5
29 Messiah would be spat upon and struck. Isaiah 50:6 Matthew 26:67
30 Messiah would be hated without cause. Psalm 35:19 Psalm 69:4
John 15:24-25
31 Messiah would be crucified with criminals. Isaiah 53:12
Matthew 27:38 Mark 15:27-28
32 Messiah would be given vinegar to drink. Psalm 69:21
Matthew 27:34 John 19:28-30
33 Messiah's hands and feet would be pierced. Psalm 22:16
Zechariah 12:10 John 20:25-27
34 Messiah would be mocked and ridiculed. Psalm 22:7-8
Luke 23:35
35 Soldiers would gamble for Messiah's garments. Psalm 22:18
Luke 23:34 Matthew 27:35-36
36 Messiah's bones would not be broken. Exodus 12:46 Psalm 34:20
John 19:33-36
37 Messiah would be forsaken by God. Psalm 22:1 Matthew 27:46
38 Messiah would pray for his enemies. Psalm 109:4 Luke 23:34
39 Soldiers would pierce Messiah's side. Zechariah 12:10
John 19:34
40 Messiah would be buried with the rich. Isaiah 53:9
Matthew 27:57-60
41 Messiah would resurrect from the dead. Psalm 16:10
Psalm 49:15 Matthew 28:2-7 Acts 2:22-32
42 Messiah would ascend to heaven. Psalm 24:7-10 Mark 16:19
Luke 24:51
43 Messiah would be seated at God's right hand. Psalm 68:18
Psalm 110:1 Mark 16:19 Matthew 22:44
44 Messiah would be a sacrifice for sin. Isaiah 53:5-12
Romans 5:6-8

JOEL THUMBS UP

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#194698 Nov 8, 2013
Moharrum is underway in the Islamic world to mourn and glorify the death of Hussain, the son of Ali and the grandson of Muhammad. Martyrdom should not be glorified as death, no matter for whatever cause, petty or lofty, signifies defeat, weakness and incompetence. The highest victory is to emerge unscathed and victorious from all battles and the highest of all victories is to use the Force to tame the opposition without saying a word or without lifting a finger or without shedding a drop of blood.

JOEL THUMBS UP

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#194700 Nov 8, 2013
A God who offers love, mercy and protection on condition that he and he alone is worshiped to the exclusion of his rivals - the other Gods - and that serious punishment will befall anyone who does not obey these commands is a monstrous megalomaniac.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#194702 Nov 8, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
Moharrum is underway in the Islamic world to mourn and glorify the death of Hussain, the son of Ali and the grandson of Muhammad. Martyrdom should not be glorified as death, no matter for whatever cause, petty or lofty, signifies defeat, weakness and incompetence. The highest victory is to emerge unscathed and victorious from all battles and the highest of all victories is to use the Force to tame the opposition without saying a word or without lifting a finger or without shedding a drop of blood.
This is how the fighting in 2006 between Israel and Hezbollah was actually declared a victory by Muslims, while most of Lebanon was reduced to rubble, and Israel remained relatively untouched. But this is a victory to the Muslim mind, and they are forced to declare things like this a victory because they don't have any true victories to point to. The worst and most ironic part is that it hurts them to lose more than anybody else because the Quran tells them they are the best of people and will always be victorious, and ironically, they lose the most. So that's like a double whammy for them.

But they can't get their head out of the sand and their azz out of the air enough to actually invent and create technology. And if they do acquire any technology, it has to be stolen from the kafir, who they are taught are inferior.

Well, that's not entirely true. Have you ever heard of the new Islamic weapon that they have invented on their own? It is a bomb that is shaped like the Islamic crescent symbol and because of it's shape, it acts like a boomerang and returns to it's sender and blows up.
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#194707 Nov 8, 2013
Truth Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
Dear Adam,
First correction, it is not G-Ds, but only one God. Every true Idol worshipers like Hindus are well aware of this fact. And this comes from a very deeper knowledge (and not belief) that God is omnipotent and omnipresent. Without this deeper knowledge, it is fruitless to try to analyze or, comment on Idol Worship. If you are interested, I can try to enlighten you. But that will be a little off topic and I would not prefer that.
rabbee: well that is not what it says, in TheTorah Scroll.
let me refresh, your non-existent memory: "(and G-D said, "let US make Adam in OUR IMAGE, after OUR LIKENESS, They shall rule over the fish in the sea, the birds of the sky, and over the animal, the whole earth, and every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth. so G-D created Adam in HIS IMAGE, in The Image of G-D HE created HIM; Male and Female HE created Them.)"

now please notice that this indicates, G-D is BOTH Male And Female. as so does, all TheNames of G-D reflect this. so obviously you missed that part on purpose, in favor of your own vanity.
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#194708 Nov 8, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>You are making up stories.
You cannot comprehend what I post to you.
You meed to properly seek God.
It is obvious you have not found God in The Torah.
rabbee: don't care what your made up not here in TheTorah stories, given to you fantasize about me.

and apparently you do not know, this story here in TheTorah Happening very well. it is G-D WHO, came seeking me. there is no way, i could have actually found G-D on my own.

G-D found me, actually here in TheTorah again as is.

neither you or i, tell G-D what to do here in TheTorah. your not even, the boss of your unholy parents. don't know why you would expect i am the boss, of my HOLY PARENT.
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#194709 Nov 8, 2013
Seeker wrote:
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What's the matter Jimmie, is the question of what is the dirrerence between the words "ever", "never" and "never AGAIN" too tuff for you? Seems to be because you never answer that
<quoted text>
Then there is no reason to bark about it every day if there is nothing that people can do anyway. But barking about it makes you feel good and gives you something to do.
<quoted text>
So first there is nothing anybody can do, and now there IS something that people can do. You are one continual ball of confusion and I'm really kind of tired of the constant circle that one has to do with you.
rabbee: i am sorry, but once TheTorah has been given to Moshe. there is nothing any of you, can do to prevent it all from TheHappening.

and yes there is something, this world could do. but has always refused to believe in G-D, here in TheTorah. otherwise it is, all idolatry.

and the only ones making it hopeless and hapless, is all of you idolaters not here in TheTorah from G-D again. why do you all think, i am here in hell with all of you? cause this whole planet, sure is not in Heaven or HEAVEN today. and your current attitude against G-D, is not going to make it There either.
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#194710 Nov 8, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
A God who offers love, mercy and protection on condition that he and he alone is worshiped to the exclusion of his rivals - the other Gods - and that serious punishment will befall anyone who does not obey these commands is a monstrous megalomaniac.
rabbee: well then let me refresh, your failing memory. that indicates, that G-D does not like all of you.

I-AM HaShem*, your G-D, WHO has taken you out of the land of egypt, from the house of slavery.

you shall not recognize the g-ds of others in MY Presence. you shall not make yourself a carved image or any likeness of that which is in heavens above the earth or below or in the water beneath the earth. you shall not prostrate yourself to them nor worship them, for I-AM HaShem*, your G-D - a jealous G-D, WHO visits the sins of fathers upon children to the third and fourth generation, for my enemies; but WHO knows kindness for thousands [of generations] to those who love ME and observe MY commandments.

you shall not take TheName of YHVH* in vain, for HaShem* will not absolve anyone who takes His Name in vain.
bmz

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#194711 Nov 8, 2013
Seeker wrote:
http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt1053.htm
4 Surely our diseases he did bear, and our pains he carried; whereas we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
5 But he was wounded because of our transgressions, he was crushed because of our iniquities: the chastisement of our welfare was upon him, and with his stripes we were healed.
6 All we like sheep did go astray, we turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath made to light on him the iniquity of us all.
7 He was oppressed, though he humbled himself and opened not his mouth; as a lamb that is led to the slaughter, and as a sheep that before her shearers is dumb; yea, he opened not his mouth.
That is irrelevant!

After all his disciples had deserted him and had fled, this is what went on:
Then all the disciples deserted him and fled.

Jesus Before the Sanhedrin

57 Those who had arrested Jesus took him to Caiaphas the high priest, where the teachers of the law and the elders had assembled. 58 But Peter followed him at a distance, right up to the courtyard of the high priest. He entered and sat down with the guards to see the outcome.

59 The chief priests and the whole Sanhedrin were looking for false evidence against Jesus so that they could put him to death. 60 But they did not find any, though many false witnesses came forward.

Finally two came forward 61 and declared,“This fellow said,‘I am able to destroy the temple of God and rebuild it in three days.’”

62 Then the high priest stood up and said to Jesus,“Are you not going to answer? What is this testimony that these men are bringing against you?” 63 But Jesus remained silent.

The high priest said to him,“I charge you under oath by the living God: Tell us if you are the Messiah, the Son of God.”

64 “You have said so,” Jesus replied.“But I say to all of you: From now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”[a]

65 Then the high priest tore his clothes and said,“He has spoken blasphemy! Why do we need any more witnesses? Look, now you have heard the blasphemy.

He did not answer the question. Your scripture does not tell us why did he keep quiet?

Verse 7 which you quoted is not at all applicable, for he did not keep his mouth shut but did open his mouth and uttered verse 64. He was not dumb like a sheep.

So you made a very poor case by quoting verse 7.

Case dismissed.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#194712 Nov 8, 2013
yehoshooah adam wrote:
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rabbee: well that is not what it says, in TheTorah Scroll.
let me refresh, your non-existent memory: "(and G-D said, "let US make Adam in OUR IMAGE, after OUR LIKENESS, They shall rule over the fish in the sea, the birds of the sky, and over the animal, the whole earth, and every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth. so G-D created Adam in HIS IMAGE, in The Image of G-D HE created HIM; Male and Female HE created Them.)"
now please notice that this indicates, G-D is BOTH Male And Female. as so does, all TheNames of G-D reflect this. so obviously you missed that part on purpose, in favor of your own vanity.
"so G-D created Adam in HIS IMAGE"
It does not say in THEIR image, it says HIS image, singular.

"let US make Adam in OUR IMAGE, after OUR LIKENESS"

This is majestic plural and is not supposed to represent actual plurality at all. As proof, it goes on to say
"so G-D created Adam in HIS IMAGE,". It says HIS image, not THEIR image. Again, singular, masculine.

"in The Image of G-D HE created HIM;"
Here this is speaking of Adam only, hence the word HIM, not created THEM

And the NEXT part says:
"Male and Female HE created Them"

Again, the word HE. Singular, masculine. THEM. This is speaking of all of humanity, hence the word THEM. First HIM,(Adam) then THEM (the rest of humanity). You are very confused.
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#194713 Nov 8, 2013
yehoshooah adam wrote:
<quoted text>
rabbee: well then let me refresh, your failing memory. that indicates, that G-D does not like all of you.
I-AM HaShem*, your G-D, WHO has taken you out of the land of egypt, from the house of slavery.
you shall not recognize the g-ds of others in MY Presence. you shall not make yourself a carved image or any likeness of that which is in heavens above the earth or below or in the water beneath the earth. you shall not prostrate yourself to them nor worship them, for I-AM HaShem*, your G-D - a jealous G-D, WHO visits the sins of fathers upon children to the third and fourth generation, for my enemies; but WHO knows kindness for thousands [of generations] to those who love ME and observe MY commandments.
you shall not take TheName of YHVH* in vain, for HaShem* will not absolve anyone who takes His Name in vain.
rabbee: this even though i realize, there will always be those who accuse me of never quoting any scripture.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

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#194714 Nov 8, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>Why didn't they expect the Son of God?
Although this list is not exhaustive, you'll find 44 messianic predictions clearly fulfilled in Jesus Christ, along with supporting references from the Old and New Testament.

1 Messiah would be born of a woman. Genesis 3:15

22 Messiah would be a priest after the order of Melchizedek.
Psalm 110:4 Hebrews 5:5-6

25 Messiah would be betrayed. Psalm 41:9 Zechariah 11:12-13
Luke 22:47-48 Matthew 26:14-16
26 Messiah's price money would be used to buy a potter's field.
Zechariah 11:12-13 Matthew 27:9-10
27 Messiah would be falsely accused. Psalm 35:11 Mark 14:57-58
28 Messiah would be silent before his accusers. Isaiah 53:7
Mark 15:4-5
29 Messiah would be spat upon and struck. Isaiah 50:6 Matthew 26:67
30 Messiah would be hated without cause. Psalm 35:19 Psalm 69:4
John 15:24-25
31 Messiah would be crucified with criminals. Isaiah 53:12
Matthew 27:38 Mark 15:27-28
32 Messiah would be given vinegar to drink. Psalm 69:21
Matthew 27:34 John 19:28-30
33 Messiah's hands and feet would be pierced. Psalm 22:16
Zechariah 12:10 John 20:25-27
34 Messiah would be mocked and ridiculed. Psalm 22:7-8
Luke 23:35
35 Soldiers would gamble for Messiah's garments. Psalm 22:18
Luke 23:34 Matthew 27:35-36
36 Messiah's bones would not be broken. Exodus 12:46 Psalm 34:20
John 19:33-36
37 Messiah would be forsaken by God. Psalm 22:1 Matthew 27:46
38 Messiah would pray for his enemies. Psalm 109:4 Luke 23:34
39 Soldiers would pierce Messiah's side. Zechariah 12:10
John 19:34
40 Messiah would be buried with the rich. Isaiah 53:9
Matthew 27:57-60
41 Messiah would resurrect from the dead. Psalm 16:10
Psalm 49:15 Matthew 28:2-7 Acts 2:22-32
42 Messiah would ascend to heaven. Psalm 24:7-10 Mark 16:19
Luke 24:51
43 Messiah would be seated at God's right hand. Psalm 68:18
Psalm 110:1 Mark 16:19 Matthew 22:44
44 Messiah would be a sacrifice for sin. Isaiah 53:5-12
Romans 5:6-8
What a criminal waste of precious bandwidth! Removed lots of junk for brevity!

The question was: Why did he not answer the question and remained silent, when he was accused by two men?

Isaiah 53 does not talk about any Messiah. It is ridiculous and absurd to show Jesus in Isaiah 53.

I will tell you why? Read the following along with me and answer the questions!

"And they made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich his tomb; although he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.'

10 Yet it pleased the LORD to crush him by disease; to see if his soul would offer itself in restitution, that he might see his seed, prolong his days, and that the purpose of the LORD might prosper by his hand:

11 Of the travail of his soul he shall see to the full, even My servant, who by his knowledge did justify the Righteous One to the many, and their iniquities he did bear.

12 Therefore will I divide him a portion among the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the mighty; because he bared his soul unto death, and was numbered with the transgressors; yet he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors."

Did they make Jesus' grave with the wicked?

Did Jesus suffer any disease that crushed him? Or did the LORD crush him with disease? Do you think some Jews or Jewesses poisoned him? lol!

V 11 clearly calls him a servant. Where do you see a son of God in here?

Did Jesus fight battles and did he share the spoils or booty?
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#194715 Nov 8, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
That is irrelevant!
So you ask why he remained silent, and i show you a prophecy that I think he believed he was fulfilling which explains why, and you call that irrelevant. Of course it is, because you want it to be.
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
After all his disciples had deserted him and had fled, this is what went on:
Then all the disciples deserted him and fled.
Jesus Before the Sanhedrin
57 Those who had arrested Jesus took him to Caiaphas the high priest, where the teachers of the law and the elders had assembled. 58 But Peter followed him at a distance, right up to the courtyard of the high priest. He entered and sat down with the guards to see the outcome.
59 The chief priests and the whole Sanhedrin were looking for false evidence against Jesus so that they could put him to death. 60 But they did not find any, though many false witnesses came forward.
Finally two came forward 61 and declared,“This fellow said,‘I am able to destroy the temple of God and rebuild it in three days.’”
62 Then the high priest stood up and said to Jesus,“Are you not going to answer? What is this testimony that these men are bringing against you?” 63 But Jesus remained silent.
The high priest said to him,“I charge you under oath by the living God: Tell us if you are the Messiah, the Son of God.”
64 “You have said so,” Jesus replied.“But I say to all of you: From now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”[a]
65 Then the high priest tore his clothes and said,“He has spoken blasphemy! Why do we need any more witnesses? Look, now you have heard the blasphemy.
He did not answer the question. Your scripture does not tell us why did he keep quiet?
Verse 7 which you quoted is not at all applicable, for he did not keep his mouth shut but did open his mouth and uttered verse 64. He was not dumb like a sheep.
So you made a very poor case by quoting verse 7.
Case dismissed.
But he did not answer their question, he told them that they have said so. So when it is convenient for you, you use these verses to claim that Jesus DID answer them and call himself Son of God and the Messiah. But other times, when convenient for you, you claim he never did really answer them and call himself Messiah and Son of God. So the meaning always seems to change based on the point you want to make.

And when a scripture says a prophecy, and says he will remain silent, that could mean many things, and does not necessarily mean that he will remain totally silent in a completely literal fashion, it can mean that he will not answer their questions as they demand and justify his past claims, and instead merely let them do whatever they want to do. You take EVERYTHING 100% literally, and you do that all of the time. And anybody who does this, will be completely crippled when it comes to trying to understand the Bible.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#194716 Nov 8, 2013
yehoshooah adam wrote:
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rabbee: i am sorry, but once TheTorah has been given to Moshe. there is nothing any of you, can do to prevent it all from TheHappening.
Jimmie, I asked you the difference between the words "ever", "never" and "never AGAIN", and as usual, you completely sidestepped it. Again, I'm not going around in a stupid circle with you. I asked you a very simply question multiple times, and your refusal to answer it is all the answer that I will ever need. As far as I am concerned, you have answered my question, even in your lack of an answer. Thank you. Sometimes a lack of answer or refusal to answer speaks even louder than an actual answer, and your lack of an answer will have to be taken as your clear answer.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

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#194717 Nov 8, 2013
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
Muhammad actually asked Allah to curse people in the Quran itself. I don't know how the Quran could have Muhammad asking Allah to curse them when it is supposed to be Allah himself talking, not Muhammad, but we DO find the following curious verses in the Quran where it does seem to appear that it is Muhammad talking and asking Allah to curse people. Now, I'm sure that many Muslims will work very hard to remove words or change them, but the vast majority of translations does clearly bear out what I am saying.
9:30
The Jews say, "Ezra is the son of Allah "; and the Christians say, "The Messiah is the son of Allah ." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded?
For a huge listing of translations, see here:
http://www.islamawakened.com/Quran/9/30/defau...
For the word for word translation, see here.
http://corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp...
I don't know why Allah is asking himself to destroy them, but I could see Muhammad asking Allah to destroy them.
63:4
And when you see them, their persons will please you, and If they speak, you will listen to their speech; (they are) as if they were big pieces of wood clad with garments; they think every cry to be against them. They are the enemy, therefore beware of them; may Allah destroy them, whence are they turned back?
For a huge list of translations, see here
http://www.islamawakened.com/Quran/63/4/defau...
For a word for word translation, see here.
http://corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp...
Very, very curious verses.
Hello, Seeker

You do not know because you have always been unable to understand Qur'aan. You are not alone in this. Many other clueless Christian polemic fools are also unaware of this.

There are only two speakers in Qur'aan. The LORD Almighty God Allah and the other speaker is Gabriel.

The curse "May Allah destroy them" that you talk about was uttered by the angel Gabriel.

For example, 19:64 says:

"We never descend except at your Lord´s command. He owns whatever is in front of us and whatever is behind us, and whatever lies in between. Your Lord is not forgetful,"

Here it is neither God nor Muhammad. That is from the angels, mainly Gabriel.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#194718 Nov 8, 2013
BMZ, you might not agree with all of these similarities,

http://www.agapebiblestudy.com/charts/Isaiah%...

but there are many similarities. So much so, that whether Jesus was the fulfillment of these prophecies or not, he was clearly trying to represent himself as as such. And if we say that Jesus never said or did any of the things in the story of Jesus, then we could at least say that whoever wrote the Gospels was clearly trying to represent Jesus as a fulfillment of these prophecies.

So even if one says that he is not a fulfillment of these, there should be no confusion about the clear intention to be a fulfillment of these prophecies. There are many many more similarities than are not even listed in this link. He quotes Psalms when being crucified. He rides on a donkey into the East gate of Jerusalem. Many many more as well.

So if you reject my quote from Isaiah to explain why he didn't answer their questions, then why don't we do the following. I gave you a reason why I think he remained silent, whether that silence means a 100% literal silence or not, and that was the question that you asked. So, if my reason is wrong, then let me ask you, why do YOU think he remained silent? I gave you my answer, so what is yours?
bmz

Since: Mar 08

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#194719 Nov 8, 2013
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
So you ask why he remained silent, and i show you a prophecy that I think he believed he was fulfilling which explains why, and you call that irrelevant. Of course it is, because you want it to be.
<quoted text>
But he did not answer their question, he told them that they have said so. So when it is convenient for you, you use these verses to claim that Jesus DID answer them and call himself Son of God and the Messiah. But other times, when convenient for you, you claim he never did really answer them and call himself Messiah and Son of God. So the meaning always seems to change based on the point you want to make.
And when a scripture says a prophecy, and says he will remain silent, that could mean many things, and does not necessarily mean that he will remain totally silent in a completely literal fashion, it can mean that he will not answer their questions as they demand and justify his past claims, and instead merely let them do whatever they want to do. You take EVERYTHING 100% literally, and you do that all of the time. And anybody who does this, will be completely crippled when it comes to trying to understand the Bible.
No, he did not answer the question, when he was asked about the men's accusation.

The next question was a different matter, which I already considered dumb. The point is that he did keep quiet like a sheep. I do not see any prophecy coming true in that.

And when a scripture talks about a prophecy, which says he will remain silent, means that he would not open his mouth. Period!
bmz

Since: Mar 08

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#194720 Nov 8, 2013
HughBe wrote:
These "Christian" fellows demonstrate the importance on being LOYAL to God above obedience to men and loyalty to denomination.

I have been on this forum for years and every half-witted person knows that I am a Christian.

Yet because I stand up for TRUTH these instruments of Satan seek to turn against me.

Tell me, if I said something like this I have an unwavering conviction that Jesus was crucified, what does it tell you?

Now, Islam teaches otherwise so outside of demonic possession what would possess a person to ask me, why I do not convert to Islam?

Could it be sheer EVIL or is it MADNESS?
Great post, dear HughBe

Your question: Could it be sheer EVIL or is it MADNESS?

Answer: Both

Salaams
BMZ
bmz

Since: Mar 08

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#194721 Nov 8, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>Why didn't they expect the Son of God?

Although this list is not exhaustive, you'll find 44 messianic predictions clearly fulfilled in Jesus Christ, along with supporting references from the Old and New Testament.
44 Prophecies Jesus Christ Fulfilled
Old Testament Scripture & New Testament Fulfillment

1 Messiah would be born of a woman. Genesis 3:15
Of course. Nobody expected the Messiah to be born of a cow or a goat or of an animal.

Salaams, Shamma
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#194722 Nov 8, 2013
Seeker wrote:
BMZ, you might not agree with all of these similarities,

http://www.agapebiblestudy.com/charts/Isaiah%...

but there are many similarities. So much so, that whether Jesus was the fulfillment of these prophecies or not, he was clearly trying to represent himself as as such. And if we say that Jesus never said or did any of the things in the story of Jesus, then we could at least say that whoever wrote the Gospels was clearly trying to represent Jesus as a fulfillment of these prophecies.

So even if one says that he is not a fulfillment of these, there should be no confusion about the clear intention to be a fulfillment of these prophecies. There are many many more similarities than are not even listed in this link. He quotes Psalms when being crucified. He rides on a donkey into the East gate of Jerusalem. Many many more as well.

So if you reject my quote from Isaiah to explain why he didn't answer their questions, then why don't we do the following. I gave you a reason why I think he remained silent, whether that silence means a 100% literal silence or not, and that was the question that you asked. So, if my reason is wrong, then let me ask you, why do YOU think he remained silent? I gave you my answer, so what is yours?
Seeker,

Of course, I do not agree with the similarities presented. These were presented long, long after Jesus was gone.

There is nothing from Jesus himself on any of these similarities.

I only see him telling the woman at the well, "I am he", when she told him that she and her people were waiting for the Messiah.

Also, when asked by the Jews not to keep them in suspense and to tell them if he were the Messiah, he told them he had already did but he had not. If he had, they would not have mentioned suspense.

Next, when asked if he were the Messiah, the Son of God, he did not say yes, because he never claimed to be the Son of God in addition to being the Messiah. That is why he used the word son of man, which simply means "This man".

I have no problem with Jesus being called the Messiah by Christians but a Messiah was never promised by God at all. The Jews expected a Messiah and he did not fit the bill.

To me, Jesus was simply a Messenger of God to the Children of Israel, sent to guide them well.

Good night from Singapore

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