Who Is Allah?

Who Is Allah?

There are 256284 comments on the The Brussels Journal story from Aug 24, 2007, titled Who Is Allah?. In it, The Brussels Journal reports that:

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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bmz

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#182708 Jul 13, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>Every Sura prior to Sura 9:29 is been abrogated.
It is the later Sura's that are the law.
What you quoted are invalid.
Sura 9:29 all Muslims are obligated under to obey.
Sahih International
Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture -[fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.
What you posted is to deceive the non-believer into thinking Islam is a peace full religion.
But Sura 9:29 is the law that turns Muslims into wild savage dogs.
You are really like Jesus, who hated dogs.

Please read the post again:
Here it is:

"2:217They ask you about fighting in the sacred month. Tell them,“Fighting in a sacred month is a grave sin and forcing people to turn away from the Lord’s way, denying Him, turning them away from House of Allah and expelling people, is a transgression in the sight of Allah. Persecution is worse than slaughter. They will not stop fighting until they have turned you away from your faith, if they can. If anyone of you turns away from his religion, dies as a disbeliever, all his good works will go to waste in this world and the Hereafter and such will abide forever in hell."

Read this part of 2:217 with the help of a magnifying glass:

"They will not stop fighting until they have turned you away from your faith, if they can"

And who is 'you' in 2:216? Answer: The people with whom the pagans were fighting. Were we the Muslims of this age there?

When you are done with this, go back to discover the "you":

2:190 Fight, in the way of Allah, against those who wage war upon you, but do not commit aggression by attacking first. Allah does not like aggressors, 2:191 and slay them wherever you come upon them. Oppression is worse than slaughter. But do not fight in the vicinity of the Sacred House of Worship unless they attack you there first, but if they fight against you, you may slay them. This shall be the just retribution, such disbelievers deserve. 2:192 But if they desist, then Allah is much-forgiving and the Most Merciful.

2:193 Fight until there is no more oppression, and worship of Allah is established. If the oppressors desist, then there shall be no more hostility, except against oppressors, if any.

2:194 The Sacred months should be kept sacred but you are allowed to retaliate during the sacred months, only if you are attacked. If anyone commits aggression against you, then retaliate likewise and remain conscious of Allah. Know that Allah is with those who are conscious of Him.

Part of the verses to be read with the help of the biggest magnifying glass available in your city:

"Fight, in the way of Allah, against those who wage war upon you, but do not commit aggression by attacking first. Allah does not like aggressors,"

"Oppression is worse than slaughter."

"But do not fight in the vicinity of the Sacred House of Worship unless they attack you there first"

Note the part "unless they attack you there first"

"but if they fight against you, you may slay them." (If they fight)

"If the oppressors desist, then there shall be no more hostility, except against oppressors, if any."

"The Sacred months should be kept sacred but you are allowed to retaliate during the sacred months, only if you are attacked." (Allowed to retaliate only if attacked)

"If anyone commits aggression against you, then retaliate likewise"

What is it that you are unable to understand?
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#182709 Jul 13, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>Every Sura prior to Sura 9:29 is been abrogated.
It is the later Sura's that are the law.
What you quoted are invalid.
Sura 9:29 all Muslims are obligated under to obey.
Sahih International
Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture -[fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.
What you posted is to deceive the non-believer into thinking Islam is a peace full religion.
But Sura 9:29 is the law that turns Muslims into wild savage dogs.
Jesus paid a very small Jizyah (tribute money or tax) with some one's lost coin, which the fish had found. On top of that, he included Peter too. Quite smart!
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#182710 Jul 13, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
How can we discuss about prophesies in scripture, unless I know what is their position in your eyes?
I gave you my position about prophecies. You probably didn't even read the Mother Shipton link I gave, but personally, I found those prophecies to be very specific and astounding. Women wearing pants? Iron boats floating? Communicating thoughts across the world in the twinkle of an eye? That's the internet and cell phone. Who could have ever predicted things like that when previously they were beyond imagination? Maybe even men flying in the sky or walking at the bottom of the sea was not beyond imagination, but that was still astounding. I've never seen anything that good from any religious prophet.

Look, let me be ultra fair and just play along with the game the way you want me to so that this conversation even goes somewhere. In religion, people who prophecise are called prophets. Okay? Is that the answer that you need? Can we move on now in the next step of your template? So let's just use your first assumption and move on.
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
If you have no belief in these prophesies and consider them "at par or even lower" than those by some cave dwellers, then what is the worth of our discussion? Because is the prophesies in scriptures which is our main topic of discussion and we have to concentrate on that.
Yes, the topic is now strictly prophecies in scriptures. Why didn't you just say that upfront? When you ask questions, you just delay getting to the point. Let's limit the conversation to exactly what you need it to be to make whatever grand scheme you have come to the table. Now would you please move on to the next step in your preconceived template? Thank you. Just explain what you need, and I'll discuss it. You are wasting a lot of time.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#182711 Jul 13, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
And your omission of 2:217 reminds me of your vicious cherry-picking. Why did you not quote 2:217, which is a continuation of 2:216?
Here it is:
"2:217They ask you about fighting in the sacred month. Tell them,“Fighting in a sacred month is a grave sin and forcing people to turn away from the Lord’s way, denying Him, turning them away from House of Allah and expelling people, is a transgression in the sight of Allah. Persecution is worse than slaughter. They will not stop fighting until they have turned you away from your faith, if they can. If anyone of you turns away from his religion, dies as a disbeliever, all his good works will go to waste in this world and the Hereafter and such will abide forever in hell."
Read this part of 2:217 with the help of a magnifying glass:
"They will not stop fighting until they have turned you away from your faith, if they can"
All I did was to explain that Allah does not like the pacifist who doesn't want to fight, and all that you did was to give a reason why they were fighting. Do you want me to mention the verse where it tells them to lie in wait in ambush and says wherever YOU find THEM, not when THEY find YOU? Is that strictly defensive fighting?
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#182712 Jul 13, 2013
JOEL wrote:
A cause (or a variety of causes) begins transforming itself into the effect. The tranced seer perceives this activated causal mechanism and reports that so and so event will transpire in future. The effect materializes at a given date in the future and the prophecy is fulfilled provided nothing like say an invasion of external forces interferes with the causal mechanism of the said event. If an intervention takes place, the causal mechanism is disturbed, modified or dissolved and the prophecy fails. This is the reason most prophecies fail.
Joel, if external forces can change things after they have been prophecised, then what's the point of prophecy at all? It merely becomes a good guess, at best, and lots of people can make those. People do that with the stock market every day. So again, what is your point?

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#182713 Jul 13, 2013
JOEL wrote:
Most prophecies especially those made by people claiming to be religious men or divine messengers are mere day dreams that never get fulfilled.
Muhammad was a dreamer, he never had revelations from the angel Gabriel.
Muhammad was delusional.
The Quran explains it all.
Muhammad thought himself to be a holy person, and dreamed he was in contact both the under world and with God.
His revelations came from his own mind, not from God.
There was no angel Gabriel involved.

Say: Whoever is an enemy to Gabriel -
for he brings down the (revelation) to thy heart by Allah's will,
a confirmation of what went before, and guidance and glad tidings
for those who believe,-...
-- Sura 2:97

When We substitute one revelation for another,-
and Allah knows best what He reveals,- they say,
"Thou art but a forger": but most of them understand not.
This line:
Say: Whoever is an enemy to Gabriel -
for he brings down the (revelation) to thy heart by Allah's will,

Explains that Muhammad's revelations come from Muhammad's own heart felt desires and beliefs.
There was no angel Gabriel.
Muhammad pretended he was the angel Gabriel himself.
Gabriel was given the name holy spirit because Muhammad's revelations came from inside of Muhammad's own mind.
This line:
"Thou art but a forger": but most of them understand not.
They don't understand because the revelations come from inside Muhammad's own self.
No one is able to see what is not there.
So no one could confirm that they saw the angel Gabriel talking to Muhammad.
Muhammad would spend time talking back and forth to himself being delusional thinking the he was talking to the angel Gabriel.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#182714 Jul 13, 2013
JOEL wrote:
Most prophecies especially those made by people claiming to be religious men or divine messengers are mere day dreams that never get fulfilled.
Mother Shipton was supposed to be a an old hag recluse living in a cave in the 12th century. Some people say that an author in the 1700s added stuff to her prophecies, but even if that were the case, these prophecies are still pretty damned good for a someone 300 years ago, let alone 800 years ago. Cars? The Internet and Cell Phones? Iron boats? Planes? Women wearing pants and having short hair? The Gold Rush? The American Civil War? Crop machinery? I think it even predicts UFOs and aliens. "And before the race is built anew, a silver serpent comes to view and spew out men of like unknown".

http://www.pyramidtlc.org/mother.htm
Alex123 WM

London, UK

#182715 Jul 13, 2013
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
In a book?
My creepy slave!
Answer these...as I tighten the noose..

Let's consider a Post BJ world..........

Is there true universal consensus about one God?
(Do you wish me to quote the chapter and verse? Jeremiahxx, Isaiahxx, Zechariahxx, Zephaniahxx)

Did BJ bring world peace or any peace?(Micah, Isaiah)

Were all nukes got rid of?(Ezekiel xx)

Have all kinds of war ended?(Isaiah xx)

Slave ....are you capable of responding?
Alex123 WM

London, UK

#182716 Jul 13, 2013
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
Okay kids, everybody sing along
It's Philthy Phallics time
It's Philthy Phallics time
The pervert is a slime
It's Philthy Phallics time
It's Philthy Phallics time
It's Philthy Phallics time
A phallus full of grime
It's Philthy Phallics time
Nobody is joining you, deluded fool.

Now answer these...Homo slave....

Do you worship a buttnaked pagan on a cross (phallic symbol) believing him to be your "god" who came as a Jewish man ? Yes

Did the man tell his Jewish people to worship him? No.

Was the man even concerned with Gentiles during his life time? No.

Do YOU have any DIRECT instruction from that man to worship him? No.

Therefore, you are a perverted idol worshipper.

End of.

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#182717 Jul 13, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
You are really like Jesus, who hated dogs.
Please read the post again:
Here it is:
"2:217They ask you about fighting in the sacred month. Tell them,“Fighting in a sacred month is a grave sin and forcing people to turn away from the Lord’s way, denying Him, turning them away from House of Allah and expelling people, is a transgression in the sight of Allah. Persecution is worse than slaughter. They will not stop fighting until they have turned you away from your faith, if they can. If anyone of you turns away from his religion, dies as a disbeliever, all his good works will go to waste in this world and the Hereafter and such will abide forever in hell."
Read this part of 2:217 with the help of a magnifying glass:
"They will not stop fighting until they have turned you away from your faith, if they can"
And who is 'you' in 2:216? Answer: The people with whom the pagans were fighting. Were we the Muslims of this age there?
When you are done with this, go back to discover the "you":
2:190 Fight, in the way of Allah, against those who wage war upon you, but do not commit aggression by attacking first. Allah does not like aggressors, 2:191 and slay them wherever you come upon them. Oppression is worse than slaughter. But do not fight in the vicinity of the Sacred House of Worship unless they attack you there first, but if they fight against you, you may slay them. This shall be the just retribution, such disbelievers deserve. 2:192 But if they desist, then Allah is much-forgiving and the Most Merciful.
2:193 Fight until there is no more oppression, and worship of Allah is established. If the oppressors desist, then there shall be no more hostility, except against oppressors, if any.
2:194 The Sacred months should be kept sacred but you are allowed to retaliate during the sacred months, only if you are attacked. If anyone commits aggression against you, then retaliate likewise and remain conscious of Allah. Know that Allah is with those who are conscious of Him.
Part of the verses to be read with the help of the biggest magnifying glass available in your city:
"Fight, in the way of Allah, against those who wage war upon you, but do not commit aggression by attacking first. Allah does not like aggressors,"
"Oppression is worse than slaughter."
"But do not fight in the vicinity of the Sacred House of Worship unless they attack you there first"
Note the part "unless they attack you there first"
"but if they fight against you, you may slay them." (If they fight)
"If the oppressors desist, then there shall be no more hostility, except against oppressors, if any."
"The Sacred months should be kept sacred but you are allowed to retaliate during the sacred months, only if you are attacked." (Allowed to retaliate only if attacked)
"If anyone commits aggression against you, then retaliate likewise"
What is it that you are unable to understand?
Cut the bull-shit!
Sura 2:190 has been abrogated.
A new revelation replaced 2:190.
That new revelation is 9:29

You are a master at deception BMZ.
That's why you are on this thread.

Muhammad turned from his early years of being a just man into a sic delusional mad man.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#182718 Jul 13, 2013
Alex123 WM wrote:
<quoted text>
My creepy slave!
Answer these...as I tighten the noose..
<SNIP>
Shut up Phallics, I didn't even read you post.
Alex123 WM

London, UK

#182719 Jul 13, 2013
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey kids, what time is it?
It's Philthy Phallics time!!!
Philthy Phallics, the gay porn comic strip star where all of the dialog is written backwards because the readers are disAlexic and have a backwards nmentality.
Stop being a baby in diapers.
Answer these you twisted cake making, home breaking, apron clad creep...
We need you to show Jesus making claims in the first person as follows, in Synoptic Gospels starting with MARK:
1. "I am God in 'the' flesh"
2. "I am God!"
3. "I am THE only begotten son of God"
4. "I am God in person"
5. "I am God Incarnate"
6. "I am THE Father and Father and I are one and the same person" 7. "I am made of sin"
8. "God is a trinity and I am part of that trinity or triune"
9. "I am your God who came to earth in human form as my own son to die on a Roman cross for the sins of Gentiles or the world or the entire humanity/"
10. "Through belief in my unconditional/loving/willing sacrifice as your God in human form as my own son, you can have eternal life"
11. "Therefore, Worship me and the cross"
12. "Father, ghost and I are co equal, co eternal and consubstantial gods forming a godhead"
13.“I, Jesus, existed before God as Word and I, Jesus, became God” 14.“Hey Philip! I am THE Father"
15. "Worship and kiss the cross and get your pope to kiss it, carry it with him and raise it like Moses' serpent"
16.“My mission is not to bring a book, but to die for sins of GENTILES and JEWS”
17. "I am your saviour (dear gentiles)

If you can't show proof from the Synoptic Gospels starting with Mark, then you best kneel down and worship Shamma who is REAL.
Alex123 WM

London, UK

#182720 Jul 13, 2013
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
<SNIP>
Shut up Phallics, I didn't even read you post.
We all know you can't answer.
That's why you get inside your "shut up" bubble feigning the three "unwise" monkeys...saying "shut up..shut eyes...shut ears"!

All posters will keep asking them till you admit you are a clueless moron who didn't even know what evyonim meant!

My creepy slave, answer these...as I tighten the noose..

Let's consider a Post BJ world..........

Is there true universal consensus about one God?
(Do you wish me to quote the chapter and verse? Jeremiahxx, Isaiahxx, Zechariahxx, Zephaniahxx)

Did BJ bring world peace or any peace?(Micah, Isaiah)

Were all nukes got rid of?(Ezekiel xx)

Have all kinds of war ended?(Isaiah xx)

Slave ....are you capable of responding? What do you think?
What did BJ achieve besides ending up with a moron like you to defend him?
Alex123 WM

London, UK

#182721 Jul 13, 2013
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
<SNIP>
Shut up Phallics, I didn't even read you post.
So you have circumcised yourself!!!!

But that's not enough...

Now answer these...Homo slave....

Do you worship a buttnaked pagan on a cross (phallic symbol) believing him to be your "god" who came as a Jewish man ? Yes

Did the man tell his Jewish people to worship him? No.

Was the man even concerned with Gentiles during his life time? No.

Do YOU have any DIRECT instruction from that man to worship him? No.

Therefore, you are a perverted idol worshipper.

End of.
Alex123 WM

London, UK

#182722 Jul 13, 2013
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
Mother Shipton was supposed to be a an old hag recluse living in a cave in the 12th century. Some people say that an author in the 1700s added stuff to her prophecies, but even if that were the case, these prophecies are still pretty damned good for a someone 300 years ago, let alone 800 years ago. Cars? The Internet and Cell Phones? Iron boats? Planes? Women wearing pants and having short hair? The Gold Rush? The American Civil War? Crop machinery? I think it even predicts UFOs and aliens. "And before the race is built anew, a silver serpent comes to view and spew out men of like unknown".
http://www.pyramidtlc.org/mother.htm
what a t-wat!
Oh his new title is "RETARD".
seekR..my "sick" slave is getting "sicker"
The more answers folks seek, the "sicker" he gets and resorts to "shut up" and "rabbee baiting"!
Let's see if the twisted cake making, home breaking, apron clad creep...can answer these..
We need you to show Jesus making claims in the first person as follows, in Synoptic Gospels starting with MARK:
1. "I am God in 'the' flesh"
2. "I am God!"
3. "I am THE only begotten son of God"
4. "I am God in person"
5. "I am God Incarnate"
6. "I am THE Father and Father and I are one and the same person" 7. "I am made of sin"
8. "God is a trinity and I am part of that trinity or triune"
9. "I am your God who came to earth in human form as my own son to die on a Roman cross for the sins of Gentiles or the world or the entire humanity/"
10. "Through belief in my unconditional/loving/willing sacrifice as your God in human form as my own son, you can have eternal life"
11. "Therefore, Worship me and the cross"
12. "Father, ghost and I are co equal, co eternal and consubstantial gods forming a godhead"
13.“I, Jesus, existed before God as Word and I, Jesus, became God” 14.“Hey Philip! I am THE Father"
15. "Worship and kiss the cross and get your pope to kiss it, carry it with him and raise it like Moses' serpent"
16.“My mission is not to bring a book, but to die for sins of GENTILES and JEWS”
17. "I am your saviour (dear gentiles)

If you can't show proof from the Synoptic Gospels starting with Mark, then you best kneel down and worship Shamma who is REAL.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#182723 Jul 13, 2013
Alex123 WM wrote:
<quoted text>
Stop being a baby in diapers.
<SNIP>. Didn't read the rest. If you want me to start reading your posts again, then produce your source for Isaiah 9:6. It's that simple. I'm tired of playing stupid little sandbox games with you. So if you do not have your source for Isaiah 9:6 in the first sentence of any post to me, you can count on me not reading the rest, so don't even waste your keystrokes. It's about time you start behaving like a civilized forum participant should.
Alex123 WM

London, UK

#182724 Jul 13, 2013
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
<SNIP>
Shut up Phallics, I didn't even read you post.
others will read the posts and they will make their own minds up.
yep...you are a retard.
Alex123 WM

London, UK

#182725 Jul 13, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
obviously not, you retard
The more I follow your line of questioning, I think you are the one with the less marbles than Mr yehoshua
lol..Good observation.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#182726 Jul 13, 2013
Alex123 WM wrote:
<quoted text>
others will read the posts and they will make their own minds up.
yep...you are a retard.
Well, you might as well not even address them to me because they will not be read by me until you step up and meet the very fair and simple request I have made numerous times.

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#182727 Jul 13, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Jesus paid a very small Jizyah (tribute money or tax) with some one's lost coin, which the fish had found. On top of that, he included Peter too. Quite smart!
And Jesus made the distinction that the tax was not ordained by God, but of man.
Muhammad falsely placed the tax as extortion from God and blasphemed
God.
Quran 9:29
Sahih International
Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture -[fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.

Muhammad expressed that Muslims are wild savage dogs that blasphemy
God.

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