Who Is Allah?

Who Is Allah?

There are 256358 comments on the The Brussels Journal story from Aug 24, 2007, titled Who Is Allah?. In it, The Brussels Journal reports that:

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

Join the discussion below, or Read more at The Brussels Journal.

Seeker

Lowell, MA

#182265 Jul 8, 2013
bmz wrote:
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Anyway, I am quoting the verses of Qur'aan on prayers and these verses show how the Prophet gave the 5 daily prayers:
11:114 "And be constant in praying at the beginning and the end of the day, as well as during the early watches of the night: for, verily, good deeds drive away evil deeds: this is a reminder to all who bear [God] in mind.
I don't see anything specific about 5 times there at all
bmz wrote:
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20:130 "Hence, bear with patience whatever they [who deny the truth] may say, and extol thy Sustainer's limitless glory and praise Him before the rising of the sun and before its setting; and extol His glory, too, during some of the hours of the night as well as during the hours of the day, so that thou might attain to happiness."
That could be three times, four times, six times or even ten times. There is no number given at all.
bmz wrote:
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17:78 "BE CONSTANT in [thy] prayer from the time when the sun has passed its zenith till the darkness of night, and [be ever mindful of its] recitation at dawn: for, behold, the recitation [of prayer] at dawn is indeed witnessed [by all that is holy]."
And please do not quote 24:58 to show me three times of prayers, which most clueless ignorant fools quote in vain.
24:58 actually only references morning and evening prayers. Still nothing about 5 times per day.

The truth is that the only place where the specific number of 5 times is given is in that ridiculous night journey story that you would rather not talk about, and I can't say that I blame you for not wanting to.

Since: May 12

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#182266 Jul 8, 2013
bmz wrote:
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Tell me what is worth in answering your gibberish?
I already posted the following note to you:
"I have already asked Seeker to quote all the verses including their transliteration. And then I will show you what an idiot you are.
Let him post first. Make sure that he does not post anything from Surah 24 because then I would consider him an idiot too."
Once Seeker posts all the verses on prayers, if he has read any, then you will see what a fool you are.
Being stubborn and obtuse doesn't help to lift you up from the shit hole you put yourself in.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

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#182267 Jul 8, 2013
Seeker wrote:
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I don't see anything specific about 5 times there at all
<quoted text>
That could be three times, four times, six times or even ten times. There is no number given at all.
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24:58 actually only references morning and evening prayers. Still nothing about 5 times per day.
The truth is that the only place where the specific number of 5 times is given is in that ridiculous night journey story that you would rather not talk about, and I can't say that I blame you for not wanting to.
Read all of them and you will know how the 5 prayers per day came about.

I had already told you and the clown Stefano, not to mention 24:58 at all but you brought it up foolishly.

The topic in 24:58 has nothing to do with prayers. it is talking about teaching members of the household to respect the privacy of elders. Most ignorant fools do not understand 24:58 and tells us it gives the number of prayers.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

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#182268 Jul 8, 2013
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
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Being stubborn and obtuse doesn't help to lift you up from the shit hole you put yourself in.
Now that I have quoted the verses, could your dumb highness let me know if you can manage to understand any?

I put folks like you in shit holes, where you and others like you belong.

See, I told Seeker through you also not to quote 24:58 and yet he did that foolishly.

What is your take on 24:58? Does it tell us the number of prayers per day or does it teach manners to the young ones and servants to respect the privacy of their elders?
bmz

Since: Mar 08

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#182269 Jul 8, 2013
Seeker wrote:
The truth is that the only place where the specific number of 5 times is given is in that ridiculous night journey story that you would rather not talk about, and I can't say that I blame you for not wanting to.
I quoted the verse from the night journey too. That is Surah 17.

See, you could not even register that, Seeker. Here it is once again:

17:78 "BE CONSTANT in [thy] prayer from the time when the sun has passed its zenith till the darkness of night, and [be ever mindful of its] recitation at dawn: for, behold, the recitation [of prayer] at dawn is indeed witnessed [by all that is holy]."
bmz

Since: Mar 08

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#182270 Jul 8, 2013
Seeker wrote:
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This is now the third time we have done this stupid little circle. Moses was also a sinner and very fallible and I used Jewish sources themselves and verse numbers to prove this to you, and you blatantly ignored it. You are an extremely dishonest and shameful tap dancer.
Moses killed a man to save his fellow Hebrew. God forgave him. What sins had Moses committed?

If God had considered Moses a sinner as people think, God would not have chosen to talk to him personally and would not have appointed him for the job.

I cannot accept people's opinions. In order to show Jesus sinless, Christianity and her Church runs down all other prophets and messengers of God as Sinners and this is rubbish. And yet it is proud to accept Paul's junk and stuff that Jesus was created Sin or "was made a Sin for us".

I do not believe that Jesus was a self-loathing sinner as shown by Paul, who himself was a self-loathing sinner.

How did you like my steps? This was no tap dancing.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#182271 Jul 8, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Read all of them and you will know how the 5 prayers per day came about.
I did, and it could mean 6 or even 10 times, depending upon how one wants to interpret them.

http://www.islamicsupremecouncil.org/understa...

"After the Prophet Muhammad (s) was commissioned with prophethood in his fortieth year, the first order he was given by Allah was to pray. It is related that the archangel Jibr&#299;l came to him, and a spring of water gushed out from the rocks in front of them. Jibr&#299;l then showed the Prophet how to perform the ablution that is a prerequisite of the ritual prayer in Islam. Jibr&#299;l then showed the Prophet how to offer the ritual prayer to Allah. The Prophet (s) then went home and showed his wife Khad&#299;j&#257; ¯ what the archangel Jibr&#299;l had taught him.

After that, the Messenger of Allah began to pray two cycles (raka¿ts) of ritual prayer twice a day – once in the morning and once in the evening. From that time forward, the Prophet never went through a day without praying. In the ninth year of the Prophet’s mission, he was taken by the archangel Jibr&#299;l on a miraculous journey by night to Jerusalem and, from there, ascended to the heavens and the Divine Presence. During this tremendous journey, Allah commanded the Prophet and his followers to observe the ritual-prayer fifty times a day. Returning from the Divine Presence, Prophet Muhammad (s) met the prophet Moses who said,“Seek a reduction for your people can not carry it.” The Prophet did so and it was granted. After many such dialogues the command was reduced to observe five prayers, which would be the equivalent of the original command to observe fifty. For this reason, Muslims feel a great debt to the Prophet Moses for this intercession on their behalf."
Truthsayer777

Since: Jul 11

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#182272 Jul 8, 2013
Are you going to be deceived by the "religion of Nimrod?"

www.scribd.com/doc/152453059 ...
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#182273 Jul 8, 2013
bmz wrote:
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Moses killed a man to save his fellow Hebrew. God forgave him. What sins had Moses committed?
This is from the Jewish Theological Seminary. Now go argue with them.
http://www.jtsa.edu/Conservative_Judaism/JTS_...
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#182274 Jul 8, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
I quoted the verse from the night journey too. That is Surah 17.
See, you could not even register that, Seeker. Here it is once again:
17:78 "BE CONSTANT in [thy] prayer from the time when the sun has passed its zenith till the darkness of night, and [be ever mindful of its] recitation at dawn: for, behold, the recitation [of prayer] at dawn is indeed witnessed [by all that is holy]."
What does be constant mean? How many times does that mean?
confusious say

Downers Grove, IL

#182275 Jul 8, 2013
Truthsayer777 wrote:
Are you going to be deceived by the "religion of Nimrod?"
www.scribd.com/doc/152453059 ...
You seem to be obsessed with rods.Its been a while since you have been ram rodded?UUUUMMMM?
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#182276 Jul 8, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
I cannot accept people's opinions. In order to show Jesus sinless, Christianity and her Church runs down all other prophets and messengers of God as Sinners and this is rubbish.
Why do you think that they exalt Jesus above all other prophets and saints? What a moron you are.
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
And yet it is proud to accept Paul's junk and stuff that Jesus was created Sin or "was made a Sin for us".
It meant that he took on everyone elses sins, it did not mean that he sinned at all. This is like trying to explain something to a third grader.
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
I do not believe that Jesus was a self-loathing sinner as shown by Paul, who himself was a self-loathing sinner.
Paul thought he would ever be good enough, which is the correct amount of humbleness for him to have. And Jesus was never called a self loathing sinner by anybody.
bmz wrote:
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How did you like my steps? This was no tap dancing.
Yeah it was more like something out of a Special Olympics ballet contest. I have no idea how somebody can continually be so obtuse.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#182277 Jul 8, 2013
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
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Being stubborn and obtuse doesn't help to lift you up from the shit hole you put yourself in.
Now you get to watch all the little games that he plays when his own logic paints himself into a corner.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#182278 Jul 8, 2013
Seeker wrote:
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This is from the Jewish Theological Seminary. Now go argue with them.
http://www.jtsa.edu/Conservative_Judaism/JTS_...
Seeker,

I can read and understand the Scripture. One does not need such articles or a Jewish Tafsir. By the way, Moses did not write Numbers himself. There can be scribal errors.

Having read Numbers, I do not see Moses committing any sin.

This from Numbers 21 clears Moses of all accusations:

"7 And the people came to Moses, and said:'We have sinned, because we have spoken against the LORD, and against thee; pray unto the LORD, that He take away the serpents from us.' And Moses prayed for the people."
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#182279 Jul 8, 2013
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
What does be constant mean? How many times does that mean?
Were you serious when you asked the question? I thought you jested.

Constant, used by that translater, means "Be regular" or "Pray regularly" or "Establish prayers' or 'Keep up'. What was so difficult to understand?

For example, when Jesus told his disciples not to sleep, they did not establish any prayers and instead kept sleeping. Jesus had wanted them to establish prayers.

Jesus used to pray 3 times a day like our Shia brothers, who combine afternoon prayer with the late afternoon prayer and evening prayer with the night prayer, keeping the total of 5 daily prayers.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#182280 Jul 8, 2013
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
I did, and it could mean 6 or even 10 times, depending upon how one wants to interpret them.
http://www.islamicsupremecouncil.org/understa...
"After the Prophet Muhammad (s) was commissioned with prophethood in his fortieth year, the first order he was given by Allah was to pray. It is related that the archangel Jibr&#299;l came to him, and a spring of water gushed out from the rocks in front of them. Jibr&#299;l then showed the Prophet how to perform the ablution that is a prerequisite of the ritual prayer in Islam. Jibr&#299;l then showed the Prophet how to offer the ritual prayer to Allah. The Prophet (s) then went home and showed his wife Khad&#299;j&#257; ¯ what the archangel Jibr&#299;l had taught him.
After that, the Messenger of Allah began to pray two cycles (raka¿ts) of ritual prayer twice a day – once in the morning and once in the evening. From that time forward, the Prophet never went through a day without praying. In the ninth year of the Prophet’s mission, he was taken by the archangel Jibr&#299;l on a miraculous journey by night to Jerusalem and, from there, ascended to the heavens and the Divine Presence. During this tremendous journey, Allah commanded the Prophet and his followers to observe the ritual-prayer fifty times a day. Returning from the Divine Presence, Prophet Muhammad (s) met the prophet Moses who said,“Seek a reduction for your people can not carry it.” The Prophet did so and it was granted. After many such dialogues the command was reduced to observe five prayers, which would be the equivalent of the original command to observe fifty. For this reason, Muslims feel a great debt to the Prophet Moses for this intercession on their behalf."
Hadith stuff again!
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#182281 Jul 8, 2013
Seeker wrote:
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Why do you think that they exalt Jesus above all other prophets and saints? What a moron you are.
<quoted text>
It meant that he took on everyone elses sins, it did not mean that he sinned at all. This is like trying to explain something to a third grader.
<quoted text>
Paul thought he would ever be good enough, which is the correct amount of humbleness for him to have. And Jesus was never called a self loathing sinner by anybody.
<quoted text>
Yeah it was more like something out of a Special Olympics ballet contest. I have no idea how somebody can continually be so obtuse.
What do you make of this from Psalm 32?

"1 Blessed is the one
whose transgressions are forgiven,
whose sins are covered.

2 Blessed is the one
whose sin the Lord does not count against them
and in whose spirit is no deceit."

That covers Moses well and covers millions of others!!!

PS: Please do not tell me that the above was a prophesy for Jesus. Thanks
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#182282 Jul 8, 2013
Seeker wrote:
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Now you get to watch all the little games that he plays when his own logic paints himself into a corner.
Watch out for Stefano, when he comes out from his hole and comments on this, if he can:

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/TT8...
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#182283 Jul 8, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Seeker,
I can read and understand the Scripture. One does not need such articles or a Jewish Tafsir. By the way, Moses did not write Numbers himself. There can be scribal errors.
Having read Numbers, I do not see Moses committing any sin.
This from Numbers 21 clears Moses of all accusations:
"7 And the people came to Moses, and said:'We have sinned, because we have spoken against the LORD, and against thee; pray unto the LORD, that He take away the serpents from us.' And Moses prayed for the people."
Why are you arguing with me about Judaism? Go argue with the Jews themselves. That's why I linked an article from a very well respected Jewish Seminary website. I got the idea that Moses himself was a sinner from them. I heard it long ago from Jews themselves. Next, you will be saying that a Muslim with third grade comprehension skills understands their scriptures better than they do. People who have studied Judaism their whole life. It's absolutely amazing the lengths you will go to to deny your errors and make things into the way you need them to be.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#182284 Jul 8, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
What do you make of this from Psalm 32?
"1 Blessed is the one
whose transgressions are forgiven,
whose sins are covered.
2 Blessed is the one
whose sin the Lord does not count against them
and in whose spirit is no deceit."
That covers Moses well and covers millions of others!!!
PS: Please do not tell me that the above was a prophesy for Jesus. Thanks
Psalm 32 is a continuation of Psalm 31. Read the first verse of Psalm 31. It says "For the Leader. A Psalm of David".

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/B...

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