Who Is Allah?

Who Is Allah?

There are 256421 comments on the The Brussels Journal story from Aug 24, 2007, titled Who Is Allah?. In it, The Brussels Journal reports that:

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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bmz

Since: Mar 08

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#173208 Apr 24, 2013
Shamma wrote:
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Explain exactly what Allah meant in that text?
The variations appear in the translation/interpretation of the end portion of the verse which reads: "wa lakin shubbiha lahum"
wa means: And, also, but, whilst.
lakin means; But, still, nevertheless.
shubbiha means; To be made like; A likeness or similitude.
(This could refer to: A likeness or similitude (of Jesus), or
A likeness or similitude (of Killing), or
A likeness or similitude (of Crucifixion), or
A likeness or similitude (of Killing & Crucifixion)
lahum means; Was made for them.
Below are the other English translations by Muslims and non Muslim scholars for comparison:
1. Translation by Allama Abdullah Yusuf Ali:
"But they killed him not, nor crucified him,
only a likeness of that was shown to them."
2. Translation by Mohammed Marmaduke Pickthall:
"...They slew him not nor crucified
but it appeared so unto them;"
3. Translation by Professor Arthur J. Arberry:
"...yet they did not slay him, neither crucified him,
only a likeness of that was shown to them."
In the above English translations the translators have refrained from advocating any specific theory since Allah (SWT) has not mentioned any of the prevalent theories on the subject in this verse or anywhere else in the Qur'an.(I repeat "in the Qur'an").
So what did Allah say in that text?
A better translation by T. B. Irving, an American who became Muslim:

"They neither killed nor crucified him, even though it seemed so to them. Those who disagree about it are in doubt concerning it; they have no [real] knowledge about it except by following conjecture. No one is certain they killed him!"

In other words, people thought they were killing him but that was not the case.

It was like a well-managed stage show.
Jesus is

Rowville, Australia

#173209 Apr 24, 2013
bmz wrote:
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Allah never said that a replacement was provided. And the Christian God also remained silent on this matter.
Jesus was not sent to form a religion. Formation of Christianity was out of question at that time. Christianity came four centuries later, courtesy Roman pagans.
MATTHEW 16:18
"And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it."

Jesus is

Rowville, Australia

#173210 Apr 24, 2013
4:157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Apostle of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-

ARABIC: Waqawlihim inna qatalnaalmaseeha AAeesa ibna maryama rasoola Allahiwama qataloohu wama salaboohu walakinshubbiha lahum wa-inna allatheena ikhtalafoo feehi lafeeshakkin minhu ma lahum bihi min AAilmin illa ittibaAAaalththanni wama qataloohu yaqeenan
Jesus is

Rowville, Australia

#173211 Apr 24, 2013
Jesus is

Rowville, Australia

#173213 Apr 24, 2013
ANOTHER ARABIC TRANSLATION:

Sahih International
'And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah ." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.'

BESIDES NEVER USING THE MOTHER'S NAME TO REFER TO ANYONE, JEWS WOULD NEVER ADMITT TO KILLING THEIR 'MESSIAH'!
Jesus is

Rowville, Australia

#173214 Apr 24, 2013
4 DIFFERENT TRANSLATIONS:

004.157
Waqawlihim inna qatalna almaseeha AAeesa ibna maryama rasoola Allahi wama qataloohu wama salaboohu walakin shubbiha lahum wa-inna allatheena ikhtalafoo feehi lafee shakkin minhu ma lahum bihi min AAilmin illa ittibaAAa alththanni wama qataloohu yaqeenan

YUSUFALI: That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, BUT SO IT WAS MADE TO APPEAR TO THEM, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-

PICKTHAL: And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger - they slew him not nor crucified him, BUT IT APPEARED SO UNTO THEM; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain.

SHAKIR: And their saying: Surely we have killed the Messiah, Isa son of Marium, the messenger of Allah; and they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, BUT IT APPEARED TO THEM SO (LIKE ISA)and most surely those who differ therein are only in a doubt about it; they have no knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for sure.

KHALIFA: And for claiming that they killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of GOD. In fact, they never killed him, they never crucified him - THEY WERE MADE TO THINK THAT THEY DID. All factions who are disputing in this matter are full of doubt concerning this issue. They possess no knowledge; they only conjecture. For certain, they never killed him.

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#173215 Apr 24, 2013
bmz wrote:
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A better translation by T. B. Irving, an American who became Muslim:
"They neither killed nor crucified him, even though it seemed so to them. Those who disagree about it are in doubt concerning it; they have no [real] knowledge about it except by following conjecture. No one is certain they killed him!"
In other words, people thought they were killing him but that was not the case.
It was like a well-managed stage show.
There is no explanation in the Quran as why the Jews wanted to kill Jesus in the place.
So What cause did Allah have to put on a well managed staged show for the Jews?
Jesus is

Rowville, Australia

#173216 Apr 24, 2013
WHY WOULD THE JEWS ADMIT TO KILLING THEIR MESSIAH???????? They didn't believe Jesus was their Messiah and they'd blame the Romans anyway!!!!!
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#173217 Apr 24, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>Yes!
The history of the Jewish blood rituals speak for it self.
In every incident that Jews were asked to leave a country blood libel was the cause.
It is stated in this article.
There is lot for you to read.
http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/jewish_sacrifi...
rabbee: the insane, shall believe the insane.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#173218 Apr 24, 2013
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>
Your article doesn't even mention the Alhambra Decree that expelled Jews from Spain.
rabbee: if you tell G-D, to shove it. guess who, is going to get shoved?
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#173219 Apr 24, 2013
JOEL wrote:
Day of Rest , Day of Judgement, Coming of the Messiah and other such beliefs are pure bull shit. If at all one should refrain from anything it should be demon worship, human/animal sacrifices, mumbo jumbo rituals, adoration of mass murdering "prophets", books that teach bigotry/bashing of babies/stoning disobdient sons to death. Good karma, eco-sensitivity, deep aspiration for the higher truths, maintaining pure gene lines free from : a) serious diseases, b) severe p ersonality defects, c) inbreeding and d) hypogamy are the essential laws to follow for a successful , happy and peaceful life in tune with Nature and being.
rabbee: as if seven billion liars, are not enough.

Since: Apr 11

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#173220 Apr 24, 2013
rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
<quoted text>
rabbee: the insane, shall believe the insane.
How blood rituals have you been involved in rabbee?
JOWL

Hurricane, WV

#173221 Apr 24, 2013
JOEL wrote:
Buford has the intelligence, and morals of a street bitch. Filthy , fanatical fool.
Who pissed in your corn flakes?
JOEL

India

#173222 Apr 24, 2013
Potter.

(smiles)
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#173223 Apr 24, 2013
Methuslaeh wrote:
<quoted text>
Firstly, thank you for the question. I honestly didn't expect one.
Secondly, I'm not entirely sure what a "day of rest" entails. I mean, energy is expended when I get out of bed; it is WORK.
Thirdly, what does it mean that God "rested," and how in the hell are we supposed to emulate THAT?
rabbee: well pay attention, to what has been actually happening. cause this world is about to find out again, what the day of rest is about. since G-D has been giving TheTorah, for nearly a full six days, here in IT again. and for TheSeventh Day, G-D is going to again appoint, adam and his mate as your only acting G-D in charge. while G-D is going to watch, how you all react to Them again. since Parent of always TheTorah i know, is not the g-ds of any of your other books religiously.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#173224 Apr 24, 2013
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't have an Old Testament. But I know you do. Your Old Testament has instructions. Just follow them.
Actually I was being PC by recognizing the scriptures of your religion as your religion refers to them.
rabbee: well you are most definatly, here in ThisOldTestament again. the only way you can avoid having one. is by being delusional, about being here in TheTorah. no matter what other stories, from what other g-ds, you only think you are new testament in.
JOWL

Hurricane, WV

#173225 Apr 24, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Another Christian perspective
http://www.khouse.org/articles/2000/223/
Page not found.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#173226 Apr 24, 2013
look wrote:
People are taking things out of context when they try to say that Jesus was not crucified, according to the Qur'an.
The Qur'an does make it clear that the People of the Scripture claim they killed Jesus son of Mary, even though they did not.
Have you not seen a christian act as if they are guilty of
such a crime and then claim that they are really the ones who "put Jesus on that cross"?
Have you not heard people claim that the Jews are the ones responsible?
The Bible clearly details that the Roman government carried out the crucifixion, not the Jews or Christians.
The Roman government is not
considered as part of the People of the Scripture.
rabbee: well when i read, in TheTorah Scroll. i only see where G-D, did it. where G-D has Adam of virgin surrogate birth, put to death on the tree of life for adam and his mate to return. reguardless of whether you all lie, about his name as jesus christ.

as if this whole world, lying to all of you is some kind of new revelation. as if seven billion, not here in TheTorah liars are not enough.
Harry Potter

Hurricane, WV

#173227 Apr 24, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
Irony of Ironies
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/24/us/boston-m...
"Elmirza Khozhugov, 26, the ex-husband of Tamerlan Tsarnaev’s younger sister, Ailina, said that Tamerlan Tsarnaev had been enamored of conspiracy theories, and that he was also concerned by the wars in the Middle East.
“He was looking for connections between the wars in the Middle East and oppression of Muslim population around the globe,” Mr. Khozhugov said in an e-mail.“It was very hard to argue with him on themes somehow connected to religion. On the other hand, he did not hate Christians. He respected their faith. Never said anything bad about other religions. But he was angry that the world pictures Islam as a violent religion.”
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"But he was angry that the world pictures Islam as a violent religion.”
So LETS blow up a bunch of innocents as a result!!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_of_Peac...

The description of Islam as a "religion of peace" has created a great deal of controversy. Neuroscientist and New Atheism writer Sam Harris wrote, "The position of the Muslim community in the face of all provocations seems to be: Islam is a religion of peace, and if you say that it isn't, we will kill you."

Sherman Jackson believes that the comments of Western politicians about Islam being a "religion of peace" is an attempt at "political correctness." However, Jackson asserts that:

“'Religion of peace' does not imply that Islam is a paci&#64257;st religion, that it rejects the use of violence altogether, as either a moral or a metaphysical evil.'Religion of peace' connotes, rather, that Islam can countenance a state of permanent, peaceful coexistence with other nations and peoples who are not Muslims...This position, I shall argue, is no more than the result of an objective application of principles of Islamic jurisprudence which no jurist or activist, medieval or modern, has claimed to reject.”

This use has also been criticised by both Islamists such as Sayyid Qutb, and former Islamists such as Hassan Butt, who said,

“Only when Muslims admit that 9/11 and 7/7 were the work of Muslim terrorists can we move forward to the next juncture: which is recognising the hard truth that Islam does permit the use of violence. Muslims who deny this, preferring instead to mouth easy platitudes about how Islam is nothing but a religion of peace, make the job easier for the radicals who can point to passages in the Koran, set down in black and white, that instruct on the killing of unbelievers.”

That is, he suggests that the religion can only be a religion of peace if followers explicitly denounce the terrorist actions.

The term "The Religion of Peace" is used sarcastically by critics of Islam, such as Ann Coulter. This is sometimes the case on anti-Islamic web sites and blogs, such as the web site TheReligionofPeace.com , which counts Islamic terrorist attacks.

Pope Benedict XVI refused to agree that Islam was a religion of peace. However he stated:

“It certainly contains elements that can favor peace, it also has other elements: We must always seek the best elements.”
Eric

La Grange Park, IL

#173228 Apr 24, 2013
Melchizedek wrote:
<quoted text>To hell with PC. How do YOU observe Shabbat.
This is one of those occasions that I love. I ask a question. I don't get an answer but I get a series of questions in response. It would be nice to have a real conversation every once in a while where my questions get answered also.

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