Who Is Allah?

Who Is Allah?

There are 256289 comments on the The Brussels Journal story from Aug 24, 2007, titled Who Is Allah?. In it, The Brussels Journal reports that:

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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bmz

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#166384 Mar 8, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Psalm 16:10
Kee, lo t'azov nafshi l'shoal
For you will not leave my soul to shoal (i.e the pit)
lo tetain hasdicha
you will not give the righteous
l'rot shachat
to see the end (i.e. decay)
Thanks.

The verse is so easy to understand. There is no mention of Jesus in it.
bmz

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#166385 Mar 8, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>The Gospels of Jesus Christ have already been proven true.
Jesus Christ died on the cross and is risen from the dead by the glory of God The Father of heaven and earth.
Glory be to God in the highest, for God has freed mankind from the bondage of sin through His Son Jesus Christ.
No! And not at all. The gospels have not been proven true.

Let me show you how untrue the gospels are:

First the forgery known as Matthew 28:19

"Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, "

And compare it with Acts 2:37-38

"When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles,“Brothers, what shall we do?”

Peter replied,“Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."

Too many cooks spoiled the 'broth' of the NT.

So, brother Shamma, what would you do? Will you go with Matthew or Peter?
bmz

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#166386 Mar 8, 2013
Paul WV wrote:
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Says you, or bmz or both? I hardly think of you guys as being expert translators. I will stick with those that have been approved of by the Catholic Church.
No one has claimed to an expert translator. The problem with you is that you have no knowledge of Hebrew, Aramaic and te non-scriptural language Greek.

Hebrew, Aramaic and Arabic are very close. Idioms, figuratives, etc are strikingly similar. And that is why we can easily understand the context and true meanings of Jewish Scripture, without even knowing Hebrew.

By the way, there are many words, which are common among Hebrew, Aramaic and Arabic but there is nothing common between Hebrew and Greek.

We just want you to try and compare different translations and try to detect wrong insertions, forgeries, etc.
MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#166387 Mar 8, 2013
Excerpts from the Gospel of Barnabas, Part-68

Chapter 146 Prodigal Son

..Then Jesus said to them that were converted to repentance, and to his disciples: "* There was a father who had two sons, and the younger said:'Father, give me my portion of goods'; and his father gave it [to] him. And he, having received his portion, departed and went into a far country, where he wasted all his substance with harlots, living luxuriously. After this there arose a mighty famine in that country, such that the wretched man went to serve a citizen, who set him to feed swine in his property. And while feeding them he assuaged his hunger in company with the swine, eating acorns.

But when he came to himself he said:'Oh, how many in my father's house [are] feasting in abundance, and I perish here with hunger! I will arise, therefore, and will go to my father, and will say to him:'Father, I have sinned in heaven against you; do with me as you do to one of your servants.' The poor man went, and it came to pass that his father saw him coming from afar off, and was moved to compassion over him. So he went forth to meet him, and having come up to him he embraced him and kissed him.

The son bowed himself down, saying:'Father, I have sinned in heaven against you, do to me as to one of your servants, for I am not worthy to be called your son.' The father answered:'Son, do not say so, for you are my son, and I will not suffer you to be in the condition of my slave.' And he called his servants and said:'Bring new robes here and clothe my son, and give him new [garments]; give him the ring on his finger, and kill the fatted calf and we will make merry. For [this] son [of mine] was dead but has now come to life again; he was lost and now is found.'

Chapter 147 Contd.

While they were making merry in the house, the elder son came home, and hearing that they were making merry within, he marveled and called one of the servants, asking him why they were making merry in this way. The servant answered him:'Your brother [has] come [home] and your father has killed the fatted calf, and they are feasting.' The elder son was greatly angered when he heard this, and would not go into the house. Therefore his father came out to him and said to him:'Son, your brother [has] come. Come therefore and rejoice with him.'

The [elder] son answered with indignation:'I have always served you with good service, and you never gave me a lamb to eat with my friends. But as for this worthless fellow that departed from you, wasting all his portion with harlots, now that he is come you have killed the fatted calf!" The father answered:'Son, you are always with me and everything is yours; but this one was dead and is alive again, was lost and now is found; [that is why] we must rejoice.' The elder son was more angry, and said:'You can go and triumph [but] I will not eat at the table of fornicators." And he departed from his father without receiving even a piece of money. As God lives," said Jesus, "even so is there rejoicing among the angels of God over one sinner that repents."

Note: This parable is also recoded in Gospel of Luke-MUQ

(Abridged)
bmz

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#166388 Mar 8, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>On what higher consul above God do you base your reason and logic?

No matter what God did and said you disagree with Gods decisions.
Explain who that consul you confide with that you believe is above God?
All you have to do is to think and I never see you doing that.
bmz

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#166389 Mar 8, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
Well, for one thing I can understand Hebrew, and you can't

And, BMZ, an Arabic speaker, can follow what I say, since it is very similar

You, on the other hand, can not read Hebrew.

Ironically, there are many learned Christian clergy that CAN understand Hebrew. I know that for a fact because I know at least one Hebrew teacher who teaches at a seminary, and there are multiple books available that are marketed as Hebrew for Christians (usually BY Christians). Plus, there is an entire educational industry in Israel for Christians to this end as well.

AND I WOULD VENTURE THAT 100% OF ANY OF THESE PEOPLE WOULD NOT ONLY AGREE WITH MY EARLIER POST BUT WOULD ALSO CONSIDER YOU A TOTAL FOOL.

sorry - I tell it as it is
That is correct and true. Must say it was a good assessment. Thanks
uhuh

Ceuti, Spain

#166390 Mar 8, 2013
it seems YHWH speaks only 2 lines in the NT, through alleged bat kol,
at the baptism "This is My son whom I love"
at the transfiguration (Gr. metamorphosis) "This is My son whom I love" again
to the crowd of Greeks "I glorified and again will glorify"

The Son speaks in riddles

The Ghost is just a mute dove
uhuh

Ceuti, Spain

#166391 Mar 8, 2013
after speaking in riddles, never getting to the point, leaving the crowd wondering what the hell he just said,

"After speaking these things, Jesus went away and hid himself from them" (John 12:36) lol
bmz

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#166392 Mar 8, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>
There is no need for you play God.
God is real.

The baptism of Jesus has usually been regarded as a striking manifestation of the doctrine of the Trinity, or the doctrine that there are three Persons in the divine nature:
I never do that. I just bring up absurdities, forgeries and serious contradictions to Christians' attention.

The baptism of Jesus is strikingly the most absurd story. To me, it is a hoax.

To you, it is true. Which one do you believe is correct of the following two?

"Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, "

And compare it with Acts 2:37-38

"When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles,“Brothers, what shall we do?”

Peter replied,“Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."

In whose name did Peter baptize? Let me have your esteeemed spin on this, please.
bmz

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#166393 Mar 8, 2013
JOEL wrote:
BMZ (SINGAPORE) is a crypto-Jew. Alex is the same.
lol! That was cute!
uhuh

Ceuti, Spain

#166394 Mar 8, 2013
only Peter, James and John witnessed Jesus "metamorph" and talking to Moses and Elijah

if the author of Gospel of John was really the apostle John, he should've mentioned this important event

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#166395 Mar 8, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Psalm 16:10
Kee, lo t'azov nafshi l'shoal
For you will not leave my soul to shoal (i.e the pit)
lo tetain hasdicha
you will not give the righteous
l'rot shachat
to see the end (i.e. decay)
Those are just Hebrew words from the Psalm 16:10 and do not translate into the intent of the Psalmist
The Psalmist is being inspired by Gods Holy Spirit to bring a message forth from God.
The question is who is the Psalmist referring too?
It is obvious the Psalmist is referring to an invent that would take place in the future.

For thou will not leave - The language used here implies, of course, that what is here called the soul would be in the abode to which the name hell is given, but "how long" it would be there is not intimated. The thought simply is, that it would not be "left" there; it would not be suffered to "remain" there. Whether it would be restored to life again in a few days, or after a longer period, is not implied in the term used. It would be fulfilled, though, as in the case of the Lord Jesus, the resurrection should occur in three days; or though, as in the case of David, it would occur only after many ages; or though, as Abraham believed of Isaac if he was offered as a sacrifice Hebrews 11:19, he should be restored to life at once. In other words, there is no allusion in this language to time. It is only to the "fact" that there would be a restoration to life.

My soul - DeWette renders this, "my life." The Hebrew word - &#1504;&#1508;&#15 13;&#1473; nephesh - which occurs very frequently in the Scriptures, means properly "breath;" then, the vital spirit, life; then, the rational soul, the mind; then, an animal, or animated thing - that which "lives;" then, oneself. Which of these senses is the true one here must be determined from the connection, and the meaning could probably be determined by a man's asking himself what he would think of if he used similar language of himself - "I am about to die; my flesh will go down to the grave, and will rest in hope - the hope of a resurrection; my breath - my soul - will depart, and I shall be dead; but that life, that soul, will not be extinct: it will not be "left" in the grave, the abode of the dead; it will live again, live on forever." It seems to me, therefore, that the language here would embrace the immortal part - that which is distinct from the body; and that the word here employed may be properly understood of the soul as we understand that word. The psalmist probably understood by it that part of his nature which was not mortal or decaying; that which properly constituted his life.

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#166396 Mar 8, 2013
uhuh wrote:
only Peter, James and John witnessed Jesus "metamorph" and talking to Moses and Elijah
if the author of Gospel of John was really the apostle John, he should've mentioned this important event
John did in John 1:14
14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.

We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

The glory of Jesus as was seen in the transfiguration by Peter, James, and John.
John gives testimony to seeing the Glory of Jesus [the transfiguration of Jesus] in the beginning of his chapter John 1 verse 14.
Meyer Mayer McGillicuddy

Napa, CA

#166397 Mar 8, 2013
Mooshla Urduhl Wobiya wrote:
In the Book, whose name we shall not utter, He, whose true name no one now knows, it is rumored to be said that we should all go forth in a great crowd and speak the three sounds and make the ancient genuflection as one wave and then we should separate and disperse and go from that place and not thereafter refer or reflect thereupon ever again as that is the way and the knowing of that which shall prove fleeting and impermanent but of which some sense of moment of import shall forever remain though unknown in the vastness and truth of its meaning, as but a thread in the fabric of our forever thereafter empty days.
This here is some kind of spell, ya? What the hell are you referring to?
What has this here got to do with the N. Korean thing where the whole bunch of uniformed guys was coming out in favor of baptism? Well, ya?
Is this some kind such nasty crack about His Holiness and his problems? Are you a NUT, ya?
Well?
bmz

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#166398 Mar 8, 2013
Paul WV wrote:
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What it shows is that Jesus and His followers used the Greek Septuagint.
The Greek Septuagint was never not considered the Holy Scripture. It was just a simple and a very poor translation of the first five books of the Jewish Bible.

Jesus could not read Greek.

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#166399 Mar 8, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
I never do that. I just bring up absurdities, forgeries and serious contradictions to Christians' attention.
The baptism of Jesus is strikingly the most absurd story. To me, it is a hoax.
To you, it is true. Which one do you believe is correct of the following two?
"Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, "
And compare it with Acts 2:37-38
"When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles,“Brothers, what shall we do?”
Peter replied,“Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."
In whose name did Peter baptize? Let me have your esteeemed spin on this, please.
Which name are you referring too?
Jesus was called by many different names by his disciples. Including the Messiah, Master, the one promised by the prophets and rabbi. While many of his disciples may have been uneducated fisherman they seemed to know that he was the one promised in the Old Testament.

Jesus in Matthew 28:19 gave the disciples the command to baptize
In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.
bmz

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#166400 Mar 8, 2013
uhuh wrote:
only Peter, James and John witnessed Jesus "metamorph" and talking to Moses and Elijah
if the author of Gospel of John was really the apostle John, he should've mentioned this important event
That is a very good observation, uhuh.

Many Johns wrote john.

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#166401 Mar 8, 2013
uhuh wrote:
after speaking in riddles, never getting to the point, leaving the crowd wondering what the hell he just said,
"After speaking these things, Jesus went away and hid himself from them" (John 12:36) lol
Was it because if Jesus knew that if he told the Jews that God was sending Muhammad as their Messiah as Muslims Claim they would crucify Jesus?

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#166402 Mar 8, 2013
bmz wrote:
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That is a very good observation, uhuh.
Many Johns wrote john.
An ignorant Muslim observation.
A dumb dumb assumption by "uhuh" proven wrong by Scripture.

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#166403 Mar 8, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
The Greek Septuagint was never not considered the Holy Scripture. It was just a simple and a very poor translation of the first five books of the Jewish Bible.
Jesus could not read Greek.
You are ignorant
Jesus read Isiah from it in the Hellenist Greek Jews synagogue.

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