Who Is Allah?

Who Is Allah?

There are 230654 comments on the The Brussels Journal story from Aug 24, 2007, titled Who Is Allah?. In it, The Brussels Journal reports that:

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

Join the discussion below, or Read more at The Brussels Journal.

JOEL

Mumbai, India

#164825 Feb 22, 2013
HIGHLIGHT:

......most modern Jews descend from converts, whose native lands were scattered across the Middle East and Eastern Europe.
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#164826 Feb 22, 2013
Excerpts from the Gospel of Barnabas- Part-0 (Introduction)(Repeat)

We have seen the real value and real status of most books of OT and NT. It is very clear that most of the books included in the Bible are not written by the authors whose names appear on the Title Page. These names are only symbolic and the books cannot be traced to the original people of that name.

We have also seen that very few of these books can be claimed to be written thru Revelation or inspiration. Each of the books have suffered during transmission and copying to a lesser or larger extent.

Now coming to the Gospels, it is clear that none of the Gospel writer was a disciple of Jesus, nor has written as an eyewitness account. It is clear that Jesus did not write himself anything during his short ministry, nor asked any of his disciples to write any thing during his life time.

After Jesus left the earth, many people wrote their memoirs which they called as Gospels. There are records of more than seventy such Gospels, out of which Church selected four (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John) as canonical and rejected others as Apocrypha. What was the criterion used by Church for this selection has not been listed.

In our times, one such Gospel has come into light, which is known as Gospel of Barnabas. This Gospel is very different from the Canonical Gospels and hits at the very root of Modern Day Pauline Christianity. I will put excerpts from this Bible for interest of our readers.

Before I start my posting, I would like to say a few words about its author and about this Gospel.

A. Who was Barnabas: To any reader of Book of Acts, the word Barnabas is no stranger. In the first 15 Chapter of the books of Acts, there will hardly be a chapter where his name does not appear. As per book of Acts, his name was Joseph and he was a Levite, he sold all his worldly belongings and put the money at the feet of Disciples. They named him Barnabas, which means Son of Well Wishing.

B. Status of Barnabas: He was very prominent figure in early Church. In fact he was the one who introduced St. Paul to the Disciples. It was due to influence of Barnabas that Paul could get the confidence of Disciples. He and Paul were companions till Chapter 15 of Book of Acts, after which Barnabas separates from Paul and his further life is blocked out form Acts and from NT. Nor only Barnabas, Peter and all other Disciples all disappear from Acts after Chapter 15 (more details on Ch. 15 later on- MUQ)

C. Was Barnabas one of the Chosen 12 Disciples: Barnabas Claims that he was Chosen by Jesus himself amongst the 12 Disciples, though his name does not appear in the Four Gospels. When we look at the list of 12 Disciples in the four Gospels, we find a strange thing. The list of 12 Chosen disciples is not the same in all four Gospels!! There is one unique name in each of the Gospels. It seems the name of Barnabas was removed and then each writer wrote one name by his own logic, that is why there is discrepancy.(Contd.)
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#164827 Feb 22, 2013
Excerpts from the Gospel of Barnabas- Part-0 (Introduction)(Contd.)

D. Why Barnabas and Paul Separated?: Is it not strange that Paul and Barnabas who are always together till chapter 15 of Acts develop such a difference that they separate from each other for ever. Then the reason given in the book of Acts is so trivial, that it does not seem feasible that two close friends would separate from each other for ever over such an issue.

The real reason is not what is stated in the book of Acts, it was the differences in their perception of Christianity which caused this separation. The real reason was of Jewish and Gentile Christians.

E. Counsel of Jerusalem: Jesus preached mainly to Jews and all his chosen disciples were Jews. After jesus left, his disciples continued his mission amongst Jews. But a new convert to Christianity Saul (later called Paul) took his mission to Non Jews against the wishes of Jesus and his apostles. When large number of Non Jews started to enter the new faith, it caused friction with the Jewish Christians.

These Jewish Christians insisted that New Converts have to obey all laws of Moses also including circumcision. Paul opposed this view tooth and nail, since his new teachings were totally against laws of Moses.

To solve the problem a council was held in Jerusalem, in which Paul and his party won a major concession from the Jewish group. It seems after this “Victory” Paul intensified his attack on Torah and laws of Moses, and that is what caused the tiff between Paul and Barnabas and all the Chosen disciples of Jesus.

That is why we found that Peter, Barnabas and most of disciples disappear from the Acts after Ch. 15.

It is not so unreasonable to believe that Barnabas would have written his own Gospel to put his side of the story.

F. Accusation against Gospel of Barnabas: The Church is strictly against this Gospel from the very beginning. This Gospel is mentioned amongst the list of Books which were banned for all Christians. When we go thru the Gospel, we can see, why Church is so much against this Bible.

The Writer seems to have a very deep knowledge of OT books and often carries out long discussions, based on OT books and quotations, Such style cannot be copied by any Muslim.(Contd.)
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#164828 Feb 22, 2013
Excerpts from the Gospel of Barnabas- Part-0 (Introduction)(Contd.)

G. How the Manuscript of this Gospel was discovered: That is in itself a very interesting topic, I will mention a few details. Mention of Gospel of Barnabas is mentioned in many old books, it was included in the list of Banned Books issued by Pope in 5th Century CE.

1. In 1709 CE, One Mr. Kramer, who was attached to the court of King of Prussia , got a copy of this Gospel of Barnabas written in Old Italian language. He got it from a wealthy man of Amsterdam who valued it highly. Kramer presented this as a gift to Prince Eugene, from there it reached to Royal Library in Vienna and is still present there.

2. Then in early 18th Century, Dr, Helman got another copy of this Gospel in Spanish language, which was the translation of that Old Italian manuscript. This was seen by famous Orientalist George Sale, who has quoted something from it, in his English translation of Quran.

3. Translation from Italic to Spanish was done by Mr. Mustafa Aranady, who wrote an introduction detailing as to how the Italian Copy of GOB was discovered. It is a really interesting story in itself.

4. It transpires that sometimes in 16th Century, Father Framerino got some letters of Bishop Areneous, in one of them, he criticized Paul in no uncertain terms, and mentioned that Gospel of Barnabas shows the real position of St. Paul. From that time, father Frameriono was on the look out for this Gospel.

5. Somehow he got very close to Pope Sextus –V , and one day he visited the Pope’s library in Vatican. It so happened that Pope fell asleep and Framerino started looking at books in the Library waiting for Pope to wake up.

6. The first book which he took was Old Italian Translation of Gospel of Barnabas. Frameriono smuggled it out from the library hiding it in his sleeves. That was how the world came to know about the existence of This Gospel.

7. The Spanish manuscript of GOB is no more available, but those who have seen both Italian and Spanish copies (for example , Dr. Hewitt in 1784) mentioned that except slight mistranslations at one or two places, Italian and Spanish copies are more or less same.

8. So what we have before us is the Old Italian Manuscript of GOB, from which it has been translated into English, Arabic and other world languages.

It was indeed a miracle of God, that despite so many hands bend upon its destruction, GOB some how survived and is in our hands.

H. Accusations that this Gospel is 16th Century Forgery:

1. The sole basis of this objection is that it its Ch. 82 V 18, there is a statement that “Jubilee year which comes now in every 100 years, Messiah will make it annual feast”.

2. Christians say that only period in which Jubilee year was celebrated in 100 years was only between 1300-1350, so its writer must be of around that period. If we take that as sole basis for checking authenticity of this book, then we should use the same standard to check other Biblical books also. We find so many times mentioned in biblical books, that this village was known in old times as this, or till our time, such and such things are happening.

3. It is clear that some translator would have added this note while translating the manuscript, as they justify about such sentences in other biblical books.(Contd.)
Eli

Saint Petersburg, Russia

#164829 Feb 22, 2013
Ashkenazis dont look like the hooked-nose camel-faced asiatic Jews. because they are actually Khazar turks.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#164830 Feb 22, 2013
MUQ wrote:
Excerpts from the Gospel of Barnabas- Part-0 (Introduction)(Contd.)
D. Why Barnabas and Paul Separated?: Is it not strange that Paul and Barnabas who are always together till chapter 15 of Acts develop such a difference that they separate from each other for ever. Then the reason given in the book of Acts is so trivial, that it does not seem feasible that two close friends would separate from each other for ever over such an issue.
The real reason is not what is stated in the book of Acts, it was the differences in their perception of Christianity which caused this separation. The real reason was of Jewish and Gentile Christians.
E. Counsel of Jerusalem: Jesus preached mainly to Jews and all his chosen disciples were Jews. After jesus left, his disciples continued his mission amongst Jews. But a new convert to Christianity Saul (later called Paul) took his mission to Non Jews against the wishes of Jesus and his apostles. When large number of Non Jews started to enter the new faith, it caused friction with the Jewish Christians.
These Jewish Christians insisted that New Converts have to obey all laws of Moses also including circumcision. Paul opposed this view tooth and nail, since his new teachings were totally against laws of Moses.
To solve the problem a council was held in Jerusalem, in which Paul and his party won a major concession from the Jewish group. It seems after this “Victory” Paul intensified his attack on Torah and laws of Moses, and that is what caused the tiff between Paul and Barnabas and all the Chosen disciples of Jesus.
That is why we found that Peter, Barnabas and most of disciples disappear from the Acts after Ch. 15.
It is not so unreasonable to believe that Barnabas would have written his own Gospel to put his side of the story.
F. Accusation against Gospel of Barnabas: The Church is strictly against this Gospel from the very beginning. This Gospel is mentioned amongst the list of Books which were banned for all Christians. When we go thru the Gospel, we can see, why Church is so much against this Bible.
The Writer seems to have a very deep knowledge of OT books and often carries out long discussions, based on OT books and quotations, Such style cannot be copied by any Muslim.(Contd.)
That was a great contribution, MUQ.

The problem is that the Church neither had any gospel nor the New Testament for at least
350-400 years.

You can check this out by reading this extract showing the order from Constantine.

"Constantine then instructed Eusebius to organize the compilation of a uniform collection of new writings developed from primary aspects of the religious texts submitted at the council. His instructions were:

"Search ye these books, and whatever is good in them, that retain; but whatsoever is evil, that cast away. What is good in one book, unite ye with that which is good in another book. And whatsoever is thus brought together shall be called The Book of Books. And it shall be the doctrine of my people, which I will recommend unto all nations, that there shall be no more war for religions' sake."

(God's Book of Eskra, op. cit., chapter xlviii, paragraph 31)"

Since: Apr 11

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#164831 Feb 22, 2013
MUQ wrote:
Excerpts from the Gospel of Barnabas- Part-0 (Introduction)(Contd.)
D. Why Barnabas and Paul Separated?: Is it not strange that Paul and Barnabas who are always together till chapter 15 of Acts develop such a difference that they separate from each other for ever. Then the reason given in the book of Acts is so trivial, that it does not seem feasible that two close friends would separate from each other for ever over such an issue.
The real reason is not what is stated in the book of Acts, it was the differences in their perception of Christianity which caused this separation. The real reason was of Jewish and Gentile Christians.
E. Counsel of Jerusalem: Jesus preached mainly to Jews and all his chosen disciples were Jews. After jesus left, his disciples continued his mission amongst Jews. But a new convert to Christianity Saul (later called Paul) took his mission to Non Jews against the wishes of Jesus and his apostles. When large number of Non Jews started to enter the new faith, it caused friction with the Jewish Christians.
These Jewish Christians insisted that New Converts have to obey all laws of Moses also including circumcision. Paul opposed this view tooth and nail, since his new teachings were totally against laws of Moses.
To solve the problem a council was held in Jerusalem, in which Paul and his party won a major concession from the Jewish group. It seems after this “Victory” Paul intensified his attack on Torah and laws of Moses, and that is what caused the tiff between Paul and Barnabas and all the Chosen disciples of Jesus.
That is why we found that Peter, Barnabas and most of disciples disappear from the Acts after Ch. 15.
It is not so unreasonable to believe that Barnabas would have written his own Gospel to put his side of the story.
F. Accusation against Gospel of Barnabas: The Church is strictly against this Gospel from the very beginning. This Gospel is mentioned amongst the list of Books which were banned for all Christians. When we go thru the Gospel, we can see, why Church is so much against this Bible.
The Writer seems to have a very deep knowledge of OT books and often carries out long discussions, based on OT books and quotations, Such style cannot be copied by any Muslim.(Contd.)
The life of Barnabas:
http://www.johnsanidopoulos.com/2009/06/apost...

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#164832 Feb 22, 2013
he Apostle Barnabas and the Church of Cyprus
Saint Barnabas the Apostle (Feast Day - June 11)

Barnabas was born in Salamis, Cyprus and joined the Apostle Paul to spread the Gospel throughout Cyprus and Asia Minor. However, the two men split up over the objection to Barnabas' cousin John Mark coming along too. John Mark and Barnabas thus went on their own missionary journey throughout Cyprus without Paul.

In 57 A.D., the Jewish community in Salamis objected to his preaching in the synogogue, and had Barnabas dragged out, tortured and stoned to death. The Jews then had his remains wrapped in a sheet and hid them in some marshland, prior to being disposed at sea. The Apostle John Mark, who was a witness of this barbarous action, together with some converted slaves rescued the body of Saint Barnabas and buried it in an old tomb under a carob (some say cherry) tree to the west of Salamis. On the chest of Saint Barnabas his cousin placed a Gospel book of Matthew written by Barnabas. Hotly pursued by the Jews, who had discovered their plan, they escaped to Nicosia, where they managed to elude their pursuers and escaped to Egypt. The relics of Saint Barnabas, one of the first christian martyrs, remained hidden in this tomb for the next four hundred years unknown to anyone.

Saints Paul and Barnabas the Apostles

In 115 one of the most terrible events in the history of Cyprus occurred. A revolt arose by the Jews throughout the Roman Empire. In Cyprus, under the leadership of Artemion, the Jews slaughtered over 240,000 fellow-citizens. This revolt caused such prejudice against the Jews to spread, that it took centuries before another Jew was allowed to step on the island of Cyprus without being severely punished. The one positive outcome of this atrocity was that since the Jews were expelled from Cyprus, Christianity could flourish among the pagans.

A few of the Bishops who helped spread Christianity on the island were Lazarus the bishop of Kition (whom Jesus rose from the dead), Herakleidios the bishop of Tamasos, Avxivios the bishop of Soloi, and Theodotos the bishop of Kyrenia. Saint Spyridon the Wonderworker was bishop of Tremithous and represented Cyprus during the First Ecumenical Synod along with two other bishops of Cyprus (one historian says there were twelve bishops from Cyprus). Towards the end of the fourth century, Christianity had spread throughout the island. During this time Saint Epiphanius, the great defender of Orthodoxy, was Metropolitan. His seat was in Salamis, which was renamed Constantia.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#164833 Feb 22, 2013
Shamma wrote:
he Apostle Barnabas and the Church of Cyprus
Saint Barnabas the Apostle (Feast Day - June 11)
Barnabas was born in Salamis, Cyprus and joined the Apostle Paul to spread the Gospel throughout Cyprus and Asia Minor. However, the two men split up over the objection to Barnabas' cousin John Mark coming along too. John Mark and Barnabas thus went on their own missionary journey throughout Cyprus without Paul.
In 57 A.D., the Jewish community in Salamis objected to his preaching in the synogogue, and had Barnabas dragged out, tortured and stoned to death. The Jews then had his remains wrapped in a sheet and hid them in some marshland, prior to being disposed at sea. The Apostle John Mark, who was a witness of this barbarous action, together with some converted slaves rescued the body of Saint Barnabas and buried it in an old tomb under a carob (some say cherry) tree to the west of Salamis. On the chest of Saint Barnabas his cousin placed a Gospel book of Matthew written by Barnabas. Hotly pursued by the Jews, who had discovered their plan, they escaped to Nicosia, where they managed to elude their pursuers and escaped to Egypt. The relics of Saint Barnabas, one of the first christian martyrs, remained hidden in this tomb for the next four hundred years unknown to anyone.
Saints Paul and Barnabas the Apostles
In 115 one of the most terrible events in the history of Cyprus occurred. A revolt arose by the Jews throughout the Roman Empire. In Cyprus, under the leadership of Artemion, the Jews slaughtered over 240,000 fellow-citizens. This revolt caused such prejudice against the Jews to spread, that it took centuries before another Jew was allowed to step on the island of Cyprus without being severely punished. The one positive outcome of this atrocity was that since the Jews were expelled from Cyprus, Christianity could flourish among the pagans.
A few of the Bishops who helped spread Christianity on the island were Lazarus the bishop of Kition (whom Jesus rose from the dead), Herakleidios the bishop of Tamasos, Avxivios the bishop of Soloi, and Theodotos the bishop of Kyrenia. Saint Spyridon the Wonderworker was bishop of Tremithous and represented Cyprus during the First Ecumenical Synod along with two other bishops of Cyprus (one historian says there were twelve bishops from Cyprus). Towards the end of the fourth century, Christianity had spread throughout the island. During this time Saint Epiphanius, the great defender of Orthodoxy, was Metropolitan. His seat was in Salamis, which was renamed Constantia.
What a rotten propaganda and bull shit!

240,000 killed by Jews? How many Jews were living there? Bishop of this, Bishop of that, etc. All bullshit!

The Church had two departments:

One was responsible for fabrication of a much needed scripture and the other was responsible for writing "History, According to the Church."

Please keep on lying!

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#164834 Feb 22, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
What a rotten propaganda and bull shit!
240,000 killed by Jews? How many Jews were living there? Bishop of this, Bishop of that, etc. All bullshit!
The Church had two departments:
One was responsible for fabrication of a much needed scripture and the other was responsible for writing "History, According to the Church."
Please keep on lying!
The facts of history are there.
Muslims cannot change them.
You have no facts to back up your opinions.
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#164836 Feb 22, 2013
Thank you Brother BMZ for your inputs.

The beauty with truth is that it will always support each other. It does not matter how minutely you analyze. No two truths will ever contradict each other.

However to justify a falsehood, you have to invent one hundred more falsehoods and still not be able to justify it.

I think I will finish my Introduction part and then continue with other postings from this Gospel, which is its worth in gold and more.

Salaam

MUQ
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#164837 Feb 22, 2013
Excerpts from the Gospel of Barnabas- Part-0 (Introduction)(Contd.)(Repeat)

4. Then they say, that since the Italian manuscript came into light in 16th Century, then it must be a forgery of that century. They forget that if we use the same standard, then we find that during the reign of Josiah …”the then high priest , while cleaning Temple, discovered an old manuscript of Torah, and he presented it to King Josiah and he accepted that manuscript as original Torah”. So why cant the high priest would have written it himself and claimed that it is old Torah?

5. Then they say that some thoughts in this Gospel match with that of Poet Dante, who lived in 14th Century, so the writer could be his contemporary or came after him. What if Dante got his ideas from this Gospel?

6. They put forward such lame excuses against this Gospel, while dismiss more serious charges against existing Gospels.

I. Accusation that it is written by a Muslim: Just because GOB confirms some Islamic teachings, Christians make an unsubstantiated claim that this book was probably written by a Muslim. This is a mere accusation, and without any proof.

1. If it was written by any Muslim, then it should have been very popular amongst Muslims, but no Muslim knew about this Gospel, till it came to light as mentioned earlier. No Muslim even then knew about it, till it was translated into Arabic and English languages by Christians themselves.

2. Quran says that Jesus mentioned name of last prophet as Ahmed, where as in GOB it is mentioned that name of Last prophet is Mohammad and never even once mention the name Ahmed. How could any Muslim make such a grave error.

3. I doubt if any Muslim has such deep knowledge of OT books (in 13th – 16th Century) to write such a book with a false name.

4. It says that Jesus denies that I am Messiah, but says that Last Prophet is the promised Messiah. In Quran the Title Messiah is reserved for Jesus and at no place it calls Prophet Mohammad as Messiah. How could a Muslim writing a false gospel could have made such a mistake?

5. It mentions number of skies as Nine, whereas in Quran they are mentioned as seven at many places, no Muslim will accept that.

6. Then number of Important angels known to Muslims are Four, this Gospel mentions some more names which are not known to Muslims.

7. This Gospel says, that Jesus after ascending into heavens (to escape capture from jews) returned to earth for a brief period, this is a thing which is not known to Muslims.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#164838 Feb 22, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>The facts of history are there.
Muslims cannot change them.
You have no facts to back up your opinions.
Name the 'Church Historians' or other famous historians, who reported the murder of 240,000 Greeks by the Jews. Back up the numbers and the bullshit story.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#164839 Feb 22, 2013
There are many such things, which deny that any Muslim could have written this Gospel.

I. Some peculiarities of this Gospel: There are a few characteristics of this Gospel.

1. It lists all the miracles mentioned in all four of Gospels. Most episodes spread in different gospels are found here in one book.

2. It provides answers to “difficult” passages mentioned in Gospels without any answer. For Example Jesus asks Scribes and Pharisees “How could Messiah be David’s son, since David calls him his Lord”? There is no answer to this question in any of the four Gospels.

3. It provides the true picture of Jesus as a prophet and as a teacher. It shows how jesus taught his chosen disciples. It is totally different from what we see in other Gospels.

4. It shows how much Jesus detested the title “Son of God” and God. How severe was his reaction when Peter called him Son of God and Christ.

5. It solves the riddle of crucifixion, the riddle of “Missing Judas Iscariot”, the riddle of “Missing Corpse” and various Jesus’ sighting after alleged crucifixion.

I. Some shortcomings of This Gospel: The most evident shortcoming of this Gospel is total omission of the mention of John the Baptist. The writer puts many words attributed to John the Baptist into the mouth of Jesus.

J. How authentic is the Gospel of Barnabas: It is certain that what Copy we have is translation of the original gospel. Barnabas must have written it in Hebrew, from which it was translated into old Italian, Spanish and then English.

It could have suffered in translation and transmission as other books, may be somewhat more, but that is not the reason to reject it totally. Because none of OT and NT books can claim immunity from these.

I think Christianity is doing itself a great injustice by totally ignoring this Gospel. If they considered this Gospel with care, it would have solved many of their theological disputes and infighting between sects.

With these opening remarks, I present an abridged version of this Bible for those who are interested in serious reading. Full version of this Gospel could be downloaded from Internet sites life www.scribd.com

PS:

Some one came up recently with "another theory" (Bless their fertile minds!!) that this Gospel was written by a Christian who converted to Islam!!

Why would such a person write a Gospel is very strange, and that too hiding his name and using the style of old gospel.

The fact is there in no proof for such a Hypothesis.

And then why not accept the "true hypothesis" that this book was indeed written by Barnabas and it has not reached to us in exactly the same form and has suffered during transmission and translation.

And the same charge can be laid against each book on the "Holy" Bible.

Why we have two standards then?
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#164840 Feb 22, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>In the end rabbee, the good of God will bring evil to an end.
We can not second guess Gods judgment on ending evil in the world, for God brings all things to his perfection by His Will.
rabbee: you are telling, me this. while you are second guessing G-D'S judgement here in This second coming in G-D'S judgement here in TheTorah again? as if you all think you have the right, to denounce your appointment of TheKing? when there is nothing in the constitution, that gives you the right to denounce your King of christianity and judaism. that TheTorah says, you shall appoint.

do you not want to believe, i want to bring your evil desires against G-D to an end??? i have been called as the prince of peace by G-D, in this world that does not want to accept this again.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#164841 Feb 22, 2013
i am not your ambassiter to G-D, but i am G-D'S ambassider to you all. i am not your king to G-D, but i am G-D'S king given to you.

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#164842 Feb 22, 2013
rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
<quoted text>
rabbee: you are telling, me this. while you are second guessing G-D'S judgement here in This second coming in G-D'S judgement here in TheTorah again? as if you all think you have the right, to denounce your appointment of TheKing? when there is nothing in the constitution, that gives you the right to denounce your King of christianity and judaism. that TheTorah says, you shall appoint.
do you not want to believe, i want to bring your evil desires against G-D to an end??? i have been called as the prince of peace by G-D, in this world that does not want to accept this again.
You are talking out of turn here rabbe.
For who among men is he that can know the counsel of God? or who can think what the will of God is?

For the thoughts of mortal men are fearful, and our counsels uncertain.

Your counsel rabbee is certainly not from God.

You need to re-read my post.
I said nothing of what you are trying to give counsel upon.

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#164843 Feb 22, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Name the 'Church Historians' or other famous historians, who reported the murder of 240,000 Greeks by the Jews. Back up the numbers and the bullshit story.
It is taken from the history of the Christian Orthodox Church founded by Jesus Christ in the year 33AD.
http://www.serfes.org/orthodox/inceptionofort...
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#164844 Feb 23, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>It is taken from the history of the Christian Orthodox Church founded by Jesus Christ in the year 33AD.
http://www.serfes.org/orthodox/inceptionofort...
There was no Church for 320 plus years. More lies, please.

That Jews of Cyprus killed 240,000 Greeks or Greek Christians, is a lie. You have to offer a solid proof for that lie, which came from the Church and her History fabricators.

For every lie against God and Jesus, the Church has fabricated history to show more lies.
John

Brisbane, Australia

#164845 Feb 23, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
That was a great contribution, MUQ.
The problem is that the Church neither had any gospel nor the New Testament for at least
350-400 years.
You can check this out by reading this extract showing the order from Constantine.
"Constantine then instructed Eusebius to organize the compilation of a uniform collection of new writings developed from primary aspects of the religious texts submitted at the council. His instructions were:
"Search ye these books, and whatever is good in them, that retain; but whatsoever is evil, that cast away. What is good in one book, unite ye with that which is good in another book. And whatsoever is thus brought together shall be called The Book of Books. And it shall be the doctrine of my people, which I will recommend unto all nations, that there shall be no more war for religions' sake."
(God's Book of Eskra, op. cit., chapter xlviii, paragraph 31)"
You muztards really are the most evil liars with the most diseased minds.
"God's Book of Eskra" is another pathetic fake and you know it.
It was written by an American dentist, John Ballou Newbrough (1828–1891)
All the books of the New Testament were written in the first century. The First Epistle of Clement, written before 100 AD, quotes from 10 of books of the New Testament.
Seriously, you're a creep.

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