Who Is Allah?

Who Is Allah?

There are 256360 comments on the The Brussels Journal story from Aug 24, 2007, titled Who Is Allah?. In it, The Brussels Journal reports that:

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#163712 Feb 15, 2013
MAAT wrote:
<quoted text>
But neither is the christina trinity.
Staking a claim does not mean it fits the hebrew books.
Ask why so much effort has been done is hstory (be it as written in the hadith or in church and actual history) to kill any vestige of jewish thought and writing...even the very people.
Both christianity and islam are replacement religions,but with the main intent of creating worldly rule over all.
So both have verses that point in this direction of universality unlike the Torah.
Christianity flows out of Judaism. Jesus is the fulfillment of the Law and the Prophets.
Buford

Scott Depot, WV

#163713 Feb 15, 2013
Ah, here it is, the CHRISTIAN MISTRANSLATION of Numbers 16:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...

““You must not lose faith ”

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#163714 Feb 15, 2013
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>Curious argument. Who were the folks who grumbled against Moses and got swallowed alive by the earth as punishment?
If anyone wants to bese a law using the argumentum ad authority, you need some attributed hyperboles to establish the fact.
But none would take it literal.
Or let's hope not. Christians and muslims do have that tendency.
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#163715 Feb 15, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>No. Alex.
Muslims worship a different God....
Muslims worship a different God who is the TRUE GOD who created Heavens and Earth.

Your "dead" naked man cannot create the universe.
He was hiding from even small Jews who threw stones at him and jeered him as he was riding two donkeys and the Jerusalem girls booed him as he was going to the cross.
Please stop talking rubbish.
Are you not ashamed you worship a naked white man calling him God of Israel?
Not a SINGLE person who practices Judaism agrees with your god.
Your "god" is Satan.
Buford

Scott Depot, WV

#163716 Feb 15, 2013
MAAT wrote:
<quoted text>
But neither is the christina trinity.
Staking a claim does not mean it fits the hebrew books.
Ask why so much effort has been done is hstory (be it as written in the hadith or in church and actual history) to kill any vestige of jewish thought and writing...even the very people.
Both christianity and islam are replacement religions,but with the main intent of creating worldly rule over all.
So both have verses that point in this direction of universality unlike the Torah.
If the Torah "writes off" all non-Jews as "unworthy" of some divinely conferred privilege, and God knows that all humans are not now and may never become Jews, then why shouldn't the non-Jews of the world REJECT the Torah as unfairly discriminatory, seeing as how they can INTERBREED with actual Jews, which is to say, they aren't a different species?

““You must not lose faith ”

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#163717 Feb 15, 2013
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>Christianity's problem has always been trying to define Jesus.
But i guess you would agree that contradictions in the NT and even John's gospel are not helping.
Nor does the fad of borrowing from the Torah or tanakh.
I say we had one homest poster (though he did go on about the calendar a bit) that admitted that christianity has no leg to stand on without using the tanakh for a cruch.
Same would go for islam.

Just in general. If we would read Homer we would first check out whether the translations is done by experts. And a good edition would show in the footnotes what is still under discussion.

So basicly you would need to use a bible that does the same.
Well there is the 10,000 plus pages version that theologians would have access to. And on the net if you know where to look.
Buford

Scott Depot, WV

#163718 Feb 15, 2013
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
<quoted text>
Muslims worship a different God who is the TRUE GOD who created Heavens and Earth.
Your "dead" naked man cannot create the universe.
He was hiding from even small Jews who threw stones at him and jeered him as he was riding two donkeys and the Jerusalem girls booed him as he was going to the cross.
Please stop talking rubbish.
Are you not ashamed you worship a naked white man calling him God of Israel?
Not a SINGLE person who practices Judaism agrees with your god.
Your "god" is Satan.
Al-EX the Phallocentric,

How many Heavens was it that the "TRUE GOD" created? Seven? Eight? Ten? One Zillion?
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#163719 Feb 15, 2013
Buford wrote:
Hey MAAT,
Allah cursed the Jews. Didn't you get the memo?
Idiot
God of Abraham cursed and did millions of bad things to the Israelites!
dumbo...
Buford

Scott Depot, WV

#163720 Feb 15, 2013
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
<quoted text>
Idiot
God of Abraham cursed and did millions of bad things to the Israelites!
dumbo...
Millions, eh? Enumerate them.
Buford

Scott Depot, WV

#163721 Feb 15, 2013
MAAT wrote:
<quoted text>
If anyone wants to bese a law using the argumentum ad authority, you need some attributed hyperboles to establish the fact.
But none would take it literal.
Or let's hope not. Christians and muslims do have that tendency.
OK, you believe in "attributed hyperboles" that aren't to be taken literally, which tells me exactly nothing, except that this way of not knowing anything with certainty is your "tendency."
Buford

Scott Depot, WV

#163722 Feb 15, 2013
MAAT wrote:
<quoted text>
But i guess you would agree that contradictions in the NT and even John's gospel are not helping.
Nor does the fad of borrowing from the Torah or tanakh.
I say we had one homest poster (though he did go on about the calendar a bit) that admitted that christianity has no leg to stand on without using the tanakh for a cruch.
Same would go for islam.
Just in general. If we would read Homer we would first check out whether the translations is done by experts. And a good edition would show in the footnotes what is still under discussion.
So basicly you would need to use a bible that does the same.
Well there is the 10,000 plus pages version that theologians would have access to. And on the net if you know where to look.
Post the link.
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#163723 Feb 15, 2013
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>If the Torah "writes off" all non-Jews as "unworthy" of some divinely conferred privilege, and God knows that all humans are not now and may never become Jews, then why shouldn't the non-Jews of the world REJECT the Torah as unfairly discriminatory, seeing as how they can INTERBREED with actual Jews, which is to say, they aren't a different species?
wow...you have been reading some of my post grad work eh?
mine were not that harsh!

““You must not lose faith ”

Since: Jun 11

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#163724 Feb 15, 2013
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>If the Torah "writes off" all non-Jews as "unworthy" of some divinely conferred privilege, and God knows that all humans are not now and may never become Jews, then why shouldn't the non-Jews of the world REJECT the Torah as unfairly discriminatory, seeing as how they can INTERBREED with actual Jews, which is to say, they aren't a different species?
If you came to that conclusion it shows that misrepresentation has taken hold.
The origin is a tribal god with a mutual contract. But Moses stated people can accept it not by being forced but by showing us our ways. So hinting at adoption.
Only later we get the judahite state point of view. Well if you find fault with their idea of exclusivity i can't blame you.
But the idea would be selfpreservation and not allowing to let other people muddy the waters.
Not so different from what happens here on the forum.
But they called themselves goy too.
Gentile is a church definition they base it on the twisted interpretation and out of contxt quote-mining of torah and added to that by declaring that they on the other hand were universal (paul also doing away with Abraham). Borrowing authority from god needed creating a direct line of supercession.(therefore Uhuh's post is funny)
So reverse attribution happened. They were no longer the favorite, even though in hebrew you will not find a single verse stating that.

Not so different from the 19th century movement in Germany or europe in general.
The church is suppressive and with the gentry makes and keeps people poor.
Where did they get their ideas? Well it started with the jews, the O.T., therefore the jews are to blame at base.
The scapegoat found again. Even though as the philosopher René Girard would say, the bible did away with that.

I would say the best approach would be to list all ideas chronologically, about jesus.

So
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#163725 Feb 15, 2013
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>Millions, eh? Enumerate them.
Judah killed 500000 Israelites in one day...and if you survive to face the next day it will be a million!!
Buford

Scott Depot, WV

#163726 Feb 15, 2013
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
<quoted text>
Judah killed 500000 Israelites in one day...and if you survive to face the next day it will be a million!!
Wow! Judah is the God of Abraham! Who knew?
Buford

Scott Depot, WV

#163727 Feb 15, 2013
MAAT wrote:
<quoted text>
If you came to that conclusion it shows that misrepresentation has taken hold.
The origin is a tribal god with a mutual contract. But Moses stated people can accept it not by being forced but by showing us our ways. So hinting at adoption.
Only later we get the judahite state point of view. Well if you find fault with their idea of exclusivity i can't blame you.
But the idea would be selfpreservation and not allowing to let other people muddy the waters.
Not so different from what happens here on the forum.
But they called themselves goy too.
Gentile is a church definition they base it on the twisted interpretation and out of contxt quote-mining of torah and added to that by declaring that they on the other hand were universal (paul also doing away with Abraham). Borrowing authority from god needed creating a direct line of supercession.(therefore Uhuh's post is funny)
So reverse attribution happened. They were no longer the favorite, even though in hebrew you will not find a single verse stating that.
Not so different from the 19th century movement in Germany or europe in general.
The church is suppressive and with the gentry makes and keeps people poor.
Where did they get their ideas? Well it started with the jews, the O.T., therefore the jews are to blame at base.
The scapegoat found again. Even though as the philosopher René Girard would say, the bible did away with that.
I would say the best approach would be to list all ideas chronologically, about jesus.
So
I prefaced my remarks with an "If." You have clarified matters. Thank you.
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#163728 Feb 15, 2013
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>Al-EX the Phallocentric,
How many Heavens was it that the "TRUE GOD" created? Seven? Eight? Ten? One Zillion?
Makes no darn difference even if he was too tired after 6 days of creation and being short sighted unable to find Adam in a haystack!!
Listen you fool.
The can ONLY be ONE God.
No matter how you jump up and down, if a person believes in ONE TRUE God then that person has a chance of being recognised as a true believer.

But, if people start worshipping men, those men go down a slippery slope to end up in hell, head first, in hot excrement and semen.

so beware!
If you worship men, they end up in hell with you!

““You must not lose faith ”

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#163729 Feb 15, 2013
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>OK, you believe in "attributed hyperboles" that aren't to be taken literally, which tells me exactly nothing, except that this way of not knowing anything with certainty is your "tendency."
Come of it.
If the rule state to only give burnt-offerings when all are present, at the proper time and with the proper quorum present to have the ritual go without a glitch. Then we get a parasha/parable about two boys that think differently and go out in the middle ofthe night and end up getting the heavy dish overturned and burned with the coals.
So if an earth-quake gets attributed to a god, we find nothing different from other cultures. Whatever the name is, they would give such events super-natural meaning.
If i describe this it would not mean (read back: this way of not knowing anything with certainty is your tendency.) that i have to state that i know exactly what happened allover the world.
That would obviously be daft. All i can do is describe what has been yotted down or what is told in folk-lore.
Overlooking discrepancies and contradictions is exactly what religions usually do.
Religion-to bind by ritual and fixed definitions.
Believe is not the same as knowledge.
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#163730 Feb 15, 2013
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>Wow! Judah is the God of Abraham! Who knew?
Idiot!!
God does not come down to kill israelites you dumbass...
God gets others to do it!
READ the Tanach you nutcase..

But you may have some redeeming qualities...you did challenge the Jewish view of the non Jewish "world"..good for you!
Buford

Scott Depot, WV

#163731 Feb 15, 2013
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
No matter how you jump up and down, if a person believes in ONE TRUE God then that person has a chance of being recognised as a true believer.
But, if people start worshipping men, those men go down a slippery slope to end up in hell, head first, in hot excrement and semen.
so beware!
If you worship men, they end up in hell with you!
Golly gee, you mean that there is a slim chance that I might be recognized as a "true believer" if I somehow by miraculous chance find myself believing in the "ONE TRUE God" that you also believe in???

Umm.. I don't also have to believe in that Arabian warlord, do I?

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