Who Is Allah?

Aug 24, 2007 Full story: The Brussels Journal 215,014

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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Perth, Australia

#163625 Feb 15, 2013
maat s=$
everybody used symbols of something

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#163626 Feb 15, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>
The Muslim God Allah is not a God to be worshiped.
For the Muslim God is a deceiver and a liar.
From the Quran:
"Who made people believe that Jesus died on the Cross although he was not crucified? Who managed to make it appear so? Allah! Allah performed a greater deception than even the enemies of Jesus who wanted him dead. And because of the deception of Allah, the majority of people believe until this day that Jesus died on the cross — according to the author of the Qur'an."
The Bible states that Satan is the "father of lies and the author of confusion." The Quran states that Allah is "The best of deceivers" Although Muslim translations are trying to lose the meaning of the "Makr" of Allah and say he is "the best of planners," but scholars know better.
The God of the Holy Bible rejected Muhammad's teachings.
Qur'aan does not state that Allah is "the best of deceivers", Liar! It is the polemic lying Christian, who says that.

It is true that Satan is the "Father of lies and the author of confusion" and the proof of Satan's efforts is the Christian Bible and the so-called Sacred Traditions of the Church.

It was the Father, who lied through his teeth and deceived the Son, by shouting, "Here is my Son, with whom I am pleased" and left him alone to ridicule and and a death, which pleased him most.

So, it was your God, the Father, who deceived his dear Son. What a Master Deceiver!

How can the God of your Bible reject Muhammad's teachings, when Muhammad came six hundred years later?

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#163627 Feb 15, 2013
Paul WV wrote:
<quoted text>
The Creed was known long before the Council of Nicaea. The Council only put to rest those heretics that claimed Jesus was not God.
Another big lie!!!

After Jesus was gone, his disciples were were worshipping the True God Almighty at the Temple.

They did not even worship or pray to Jesus. Read Acts, before you open your mouth to unload another lie, please.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#163628 Feb 15, 2013
MAAT wrote:
“To act as a physician, the priest must make one sick! In other words, before
Christianity can present itself as the answer, it first has to generate the problem, or “poison the wound”. Before people can be sold salvation they need to be persuaded that they require saving, that their existence is miserable.“ Friedrich Nietzsche
Excellent!

And how to make people feel sick? Paul, the self-loathing sinner taught people to self-loathe
and become sinners. And through the drug capsule of original sin. they could treat themselves.

So, Nietzche was damn right!

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#163629 Feb 15, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>It appears Nietzsche was a dope addict, his books were hardly sold.

By 1882, Nietzsche was taking huge doses of opium, but was still having trouble sleeping.[72] In 1883, while staying in Nice, he was writing out his own prescriptions for the sedative chloral hydrate, signing them 'Dr Nietzsche'.[
What is the big deal? Even John was a pot-smoker at Patmos. That is how he wrote Revelation under the influence of the pot.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#163630 Feb 15, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>You are truly a Muhammadan.
Muhammad was a narcissist and Muslims reflect the narcissist of Muhammad.
No, not at all.

It is the Christian God, who is a narcissist and meets all the requirements of being one.

Don't you see the personality disorder in your God?

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#163631 Feb 15, 2013
Paul WV wrote:
<quoted text>
His message might be incoherent to you but not for 2 billion Christians who know Jesus is our God and Savior!!!
The 2 billion Christians understand Zilsch, Paul.

The New Testament clearly shows Jesus as a very incoherent person. Show me which disciple could understand and fathom what he said!

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#163632 Feb 15, 2013
Paul WV wrote:
<quoted text>
Can we now answer the question posed by this thread? I say allah was just mohammad's alter ego.
No.

Alter Ego can only be found in Chrsitianity.

Here is one but an extreme example of that:

"I in the Father and the Father in me" and here you see that the Father was Jesus' alter ego.
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#163633 Feb 15, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Another big lie!!!
After Jesus was gone, his disciples were were worshipping the True God Almighty at the Temple.
They did not even worship or pray to Jesus. Read Acts, before you open your mouth to unload another lie, please.
You have no knowledge of Christian history or theology. The heresy that Jesus was not God was put to an end at the Council of Nicaea. Jesus Christ is God!!! The second Person of the Most Holy Trinity!!!
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#163634 Feb 15, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
The 2 billion Christians understand Zilsch, Paul.
The New Testament clearly shows Jesus as a very incoherent person. Show me which disciple could understand and fathom what he said!
The Holy Spirit open their minds to recieve all truth revealed by Jesus. Jesus on the road to Emmaus open the minds of His disciples and revealed to them how the Hebrew Scriptures from beginning to end spoke of Him. They told of His suffering, death and resurrection for the salvation of all who would believe in His Name!

If a muslim eats a bacon sandwich would he/she go to hell?
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#163635 Feb 15, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
No.
Alter Ego can only be found in Chrsitianity.
Here is one but an extreme example of that:
"I in the Father and the Father in me" and here you see that the Father was Jesus' alter ego.
You know allah was mohammad's alter ego. Now, when you read your koran remember this every time allah changes his mind to accommodate mohammad's lustful ways.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#163636 Feb 15, 2013
Paul WV wrote:
<quoted text>
You have no knowledge of Christian history or theology. The heresy that Jesus was not God was put to an end at the Council of Nicaea. Jesus Christ is God!!! The second Person of the Most Holy Trinity!!!
Trust me, Paul. I have read the darkest history of Christianity and her unholy theology very well.

If not, then how could I point out so many absurdities of Christianity and her books?

The Bishops were silenced, when Constantine's soldiers held the spears pointed at the correct angle towards the Bishops and all submitted to the heresy and false belief that Jesus was God.

It is really hilarious to see you saying"Jesus Christ is God" and telling us he was the second person of the alleged Trinity. You believe in one God. Right? So, throw away the Father and the Ghost and just retain Jesus. Your problems will be solved. However, we will still laugh at it.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#163637 Feb 15, 2013
Paul WV wrote:
<quoted text>
The Holy Spirit open their minds to recieve all truth revealed by Jesus. Jesus on the road to Emmaus open the minds of His disciples and revealed to them how the Hebrew Scriptures from beginning to end spoke of Him. They told of His suffering, death and resurrection for the salvation of all who would believe in His Name!

If a muslim eats a bacon sandwich would he/she go to hell?
What has a bacon sandwich got to do with the Holy Spirit?

Did Jesus eat pork? Did his disciples eat pork? Did paul eat pork? Did james eat pork?

Since they did not eat, why do you eat that? You can't tell me that Jesus and all others mentioned above had double standards.

No, I don't think a Muslim, who did that, will go to hell. He or she can repent and God will forgive.

God is very forgiving.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#163638 Feb 15, 2013
Paul WV wrote:
<quoted text>
You know allah was mohammad's alter ego. Now, when you read your koran remember this every time allah changes his mind to accommodate mohammad's lustful ways.
Done that already. The Father was Jesus' alter ego. I have begun to think that the biblical Jesus, all his disciples and Paul were suffering from some severe personality disorder and that falls under NPD.

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#163640 Feb 15, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Qur'aan does not state that Allah is "the best of deceivers", Liar! It is the polemic lying Christian, who says that.
It is true that Satan is the "Father of lies and the author of confusion" and the proof of Satan's efforts is the Christian Bible and the so-called Sacred Traditions of the Church.
It was the Father, who lied through his teeth and deceived the Son, by shouting, "Here is my Son, with whom I am pleased" and left him alone to ridicule and and a death, which pleased him most.
So, it was your God, the Father, who deceived his dear Son. What a Master Deceiver!
How can the God of your Bible reject Muhammad's teachings, when Muhammad came six hundred years later?
Allah the deciever in the Quran and hadiths.
http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/allah_...
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#163641 Feb 15, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
The Holy Spirit of Christianity, does NOT exist. It is a fiction and fools accepted it.
See, Jesus explained nothing about this alleged thing? Pages were filled showing Jesus talking about Father in Heaven only. Do you see Jesus talking frequently about the alleged Holy Spirit, Jesusarian?
Nothing but post-Jesus lies through the false teeth of the Church fathers.
Can you go and fly a kite now?
We need to challenge them on the "spirit" and "ghost"!

When did "ghost" become "spirit" and vice versa.

The fictional "entity" known as "spirit" or "ghost" arising from ancient superstitions has been given credibility by gentile pagans by calling it "Holy"!

- They have father, son and holy ghost!

- Why did they forget to call the Father "Holy Father"?

Oops the Pope has now "nicked" that name. Why don't they start worshipping the Pope as the Holy Father the creator!
If they already worship a naked man, it must be more than ok to worship a fully clothed man.

- How about the "Holy Son"....may be the naked man can be holy son and the pope can be holy father!

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#163642 Feb 15, 2013
The Quran describes Allah as the best deceiver there is, a liar who is not above using the same evil and wicked schemes of his opponents.

For example, the Quran calls Allah a makr, in fact the best makr there is:

But they (the Jews) were deceptive, and Allah was deceptive, for Allah is the best of deceivers (Wamakaroo wamakara Allahu waAllahu khayru al-makireena)! S. 3:54; cf. 8:30

Other texts that identify Allah as a makr include:

Are they then secure from Allah's deception (makra Allahi)? None deemeth himself secure from Allah's deception (makra Allahi) save folk that perish. S. 7:99

So they schemed a scheme: and We schemed a scheme (Wamakaroo makran wamakarna makran), while they perceived not. S. 27:50

The word for deception/deceiver/scheme is makr. The lexical sources define the term as:

Miim-Kaf-Ra = To practice deceit or guile or circumvention, practice evasion or elusion, to plot, to exercise art or craft or cunning, act with policy, practice stratagem.

makara vb.(1)
perf. act. 3:54, 3:54, 7:123, 13:42, 14:46, 16:26, 16:45, 27:50, 40:45, 71:22
impf. act. 6:123, 6:123, 6:124, 8:30, 8:30, 8:30, 10:21, 12:102, 16:127, 27:70, 35:10
n.vb. 7:99, 7:99, 7:123, 10:21, 10:21, 12:31, 13:33, 13:42, 14:46, 14:46, 14:46, 27:50, 27:50, 27:51, 34:33, 35:10, 35:43, 35:43, 71:22
pcple. act. 3:54, 8:30

LL, V7, p: 256 (Source)

And:

He practised DECEIT, GUILE, or CIRCUMVENTION, desiring to do another a foul, an abominable, or an evil action, clandestinely or without his knowing whence it proceeded.(Lane’s Arabic-English Lexicon; source)

Lest Muslims accuse these lexicons of bias or distortion notice what Muslim scholar Dr. Mahmoud M. Ayoub says when he asks,

"how the word makr (scheming or plotting), which implies deceitfulness or dishonesty, could be attributed to God." (The Quran and Its Interpreters – The House of Imran [State University of New York Press [SUNY], Albany 1992], Volume II, p. 165; italic emphasis ours)

After listing several Muslim sources he quotes a renowned Muslim expositor named ar-Razi who wrote that,

"scheming (makr) is actually an act of deception aiming at causing evil. It is not possible to attribute deception to God. Thus the word is one of the muttashabihat [multivalent words of the Quran]." (Ibid., p. 166; italic emphasis ours)

Unfortunately for ar-Razi, the Quran attributes deception to Allah since it identifies him as the best makr there is.

Ayoub also sources one Muslim who actually boasted of Allah being the best conniver/deceiver/schemer etc.,

"Qurtubi observes that some scholars have considered the words ‘best of schemers’ to be one of God’s beautiful names. Thus one would pray,‘O Best of Schemers, scheme for me!’ Qurtubi also reports that the Prophet used to pray,‘O God, scheme for me, and do not scheme against me!’(Qurtubi, IV, pp. 98-99; cf. Zamakhshari, I, p. 366)." (Ibid., p. 166)

And here, also, is how one of the earliest sources on the life of Muhammad interpreted Q. 8:30:

Then he reminds the apostle of His favour towards him when the people plotted against him 'to kill him, or to wound him, or to drive him out; and they plotted and God plotted, and is the best of plotters.' i.e. I DECEIVED them with My firm GUILE so that I delivered you from them.(The Life of Muhammad: A Translation of Ibn Ishaq's Sirat Rasul Allah, with introduction and notes by Alfred Guillaume [Oxford University Press, Karachi, Tenth impression 1995], p. 323; capital emphasis ours)

Thus, the Quran unashamedly calls Muhammad’s god the best liar and deceiver of them all! It even dares to say that ALL deception belongs completely to Allah:

And verily, those before them did deceive/scheme (makara), but all deception/scheming is Allah's (falillahi al-makru). He knows what every person earns, and the disbelievers will know who gets the good end. S. 13:42
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#163644 Feb 15, 2013
Paul WV wrote:
<quoted text>
You know allah was mohammad's alter ego. Now, when you read your koran remember this every time allah changes his mind to accommodate mohammad's lustful ways.
What are you on about dear ignorant person?
Just look at yourself:
- You continue to claim that a Jewish man is your god despite VEHEMENT protestations by that man to the contrary!
- You cling on to 81,78,73,66? books!
- Is One book not good enough?
- But when you can't defend the meaningless books, you say who needs books!!!

Allah is GOD!

BJ (or even Jesus) is NOT God.

Try worshipping REAL god instead of a failed naked Jewish man.
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#163645 Feb 15, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Trust me, Paul. I have read the darkest history of Christianity and her unholy theology very well.
If not, then how could I point out so many absurdities of Christianity and her books?
The Bishops were silenced, when Constantine's soldiers held the spears pointed at the correct angle towards the Bishops and all submitted to the heresy and false belief that Jesus was God.
It is really hilarious to see you saying"Jesus Christ is God" and telling us he was the second person of the alleged Trinity. You believe in one God. Right? So, throw away the Father and the Ghost and just retain Jesus. Your problems will be solved. However, we will still laugh at it.
We have no problem, there is one God: the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. I can't help it if you can not wrap your brain around it; over 2 billion people have.
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#163646 Feb 15, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
What has a bacon sandwich got to do with the Holy Spirit?
Did Jesus eat pork? Did his disciples eat pork? Did paul eat pork? Did james eat pork?
Since they did not eat, why do you eat that? You can't tell me that Jesus and all others mentioned above had double standards.
No, I don't think a Muslim, who did that, will go to hell. He or she can repent and God will forgive.
God is very forgiving.
The Apostles and disciples of Jesus could eat pork unless they elected not to. They would not have sinned in eating pork, for Jesus made all foods clean.

If a muslims eats a pork sandwich and dies before he repents; does he go to hell?

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