Who Is Allah?

Who Is Allah?

There are 256482 comments on the The Brussels Journal story from Aug 24, 2007, titled Who Is Allah?. In it, The Brussels Journal reports that:

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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uhuh

Spain

#161347 Feb 1, 2013
"Whoever opposes Gabriel, then know that he has sent it (Quran) down into your heart with Allah's permission" (Quran 2:97)
uhuh

Spain

#161348 Feb 1, 2013
eh who opposes Gabriel?

"Ibn Abbas reported,
The Jews came to the Prophet and said: We would like to ask who among the angels comes to you? For there is not a single prophet except that an ANGEL comes to him with a message and revelation from God.
He answered: It is Gabriel.
They said: He is the one who comes down with war and retribution; he is our enemy. If you had said Michael, who comes down with rain and mercy, we would have followed you." (al-Wahidi, Asbab al-Nuzul)

and so verse 2:97 was revealed,
"Say (to the Jews): Whoever opposes Gabriel, then know that he has sent it (Quran) down into your heart with Allah's permission"
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#161349 Feb 1, 2013
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>Mental Blockhead,
I often find it necessary to correct your errors, not that you are at all teachable, because you aren't, but that there are the "international readers" to consider who may mistakenly believe that you have accurately represented the Gospel record, when nothing could be further from the truth. That is, you're a liar, and a poor one at that; though you consider yourself clever, you are the very definition of an "ignorant fool."
Mark 5:5 They went across the lake to the region of the Gerasenes. 2 When Jesus got out of the boat, a man with an impure spirit came from the tombs to meet him. 3 This man lived in the tombs, and no one could bind him anymore, not even with a chain. 4 For he had often been chained hand and foot, but he tore the chains apart and broke the irons on his feet. No one was strong enough to subdue him. 5 Night and day among the tombs and in the hills he would cry out and cut himself with stones.
6 When he saw Jesus from a distance, he ran and fell on his knees in front of him. 7 He shouted at the top of his voice,“What do you want with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? In God’s name don’t torture me!” 8 For Jesus had said to him,“Come out of this man, you impure spirit!”
9 Then Jesus asked him,“What is your name?”
“My name is Legion,*” he replied,“for we are many.” 10 And he begged Jesus again and again not to send them out of the area.
11 A large herd of pigs was feeding on the nearby hillside. 12 The demons begged Jesus,“Send us among the pigs; allow us to go into them.” 13 He gave them permission, and the impure spirits came out and went into the pigs. The herd, about two thousand in number, rushed down the steep bank into the lake and were drowned.
14 Those tending the pigs ran off and reported this in the town and countryside, and the people went out to see what had happened. 15 When they came to Jesus, they saw the man who had been possessed by the legion of demons, sitting there, dressed and in his right mind; and they were afraid. 16 Those who had seen it told the people what had happened to the demon-possessed man—and told about the pigs as well. 17 Then the people began to plead with Jesus to leave their region.
18 As Jesus was getting into the boat, the man who had been demon-possessed begged to go with him. 19 Jesus did not let him, but said,“Go home to your own people and tell them how much the Lord has done for you, and how he has had mercy on you.” 20 So the man went away and began to tell in the Decapolis how much Jesus had done for him. And all the people were amazed.
* a Legion is far more than "two."
http://www.answers.com/topic/legion
1. The major unit of the Roman army consisting of 3,000 to 6,000 infantry troops and 100 to 200 cavalry troops.
2. A large military unit trained for combat; an army.
3. A large number; a multitude. See synonyms at multitude.
Hello, Link-copy-paste man

The silent majority of international readers know well that I construct some short posts to make a point.

You did not address my point and the question.

Did Jesus raise the pigs again? They belonged to others. Right? How could he destroy the stock of the poor farmers? Were they wild boars?

The point is that these are stupid, absurd and wild stories.

When Jesus had never said, "I am the Son of God", how the hell did the Demon know?

When the Church fathers could not find Jesus saying anywhere, "I am the Son of God", they fitted in in such absurd stories in the gospels, to show that the demons called him the Son of God, while the amn and people never said that.

And how can educated fools like you believe in those childish and absurd stories?
uhuh

Spain

#161350 Feb 1, 2013
it's true, Michael is the guardian angel of Israel (Dan 12:1)

whereas Gabriel is frequently cited in the Talmud as God's instrument of retribution,
Gabriel overturned Sodom, while Michael rescued Lot (B.M. 86b), he mowed down the 185000 Assyrians in Isa 37:36 "with a scythe that has been sharpened since the six days of Creation" (Sanh 95b), he is "the one clothed in linen" in Ezek 9, leader of the executioners of the city (Yoma 77a)
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#161351 Feb 1, 2013
MUQ wrote:
Excerpts from the Gospel of Barnabas, Part-43
Chapter 88 How to correct your friend
..Tell me, Peter: Those earthen pots wherein the poor cook their food they wash them, perhaps, with stones and iron hammers? No, assuredly; but rather with hot water. Vessels are broken in pieces with iron, things of wood are burned with fire; but man is amended with mercy. Wherefore, when you shall correct your brother you shall say to yourself: "If God help me not, I shall do tomorrow worse than all that he has done today." Peter answered: "How many times must I forgive my brother, O master?" Jesus answered: "As many times as you would fain be forgiven by him."
Peter said: "Seven times a day?" Jesus answered: "Not only seven, but seventy times seven you shall forgive him every day; for he that forgives, to him shall it be forgiven, and he that condemns shall be condemned."
Then said he who writes this: "Woe to princes! for they shall go to hell" Jesus reproved him, saying: "You are become foolish, O Barnabas. in that you have spoken thus. Truly I say to you, that the bath is not so necessary for the body, the bit for the horse, and the tiller for the ship, as the prince is necessary for the state. And for what cause did God give Moses, Joshua, Samuel, David, and Solomon, and so many others who passed judgment? To such has God given the sword for the extirpation of iniquity."
Note: See how Jesus teaches his chosen disciples - MUQ
Chapter 89 Acts of Hypocrites
Peter said: "How long must I wait for my brother to repent?" Jesus answered: "So long as you would be waited for." Peter answered: "Not every one will understand this; wherefore speak to us more plainly." Jesus answered: "Wait for your brother as long as God waits for him." "Neither will they understand this," said Peter. Jesus answered: "Wait for him so long as he has time to repent." …
The disciples answered: "Part we understand, and part not." Jesus said: "Which is the part that you understand not?" They answered: "That many who have made prayer with fastings are damned." Then Jesus said: "Truly I say to you, that the hypocrites and the Gentiles make more prayers, more alms, and more fasts than do the friends of God. But because they have not faith, they are not able to repent for love of God, and so they are damned." Then said John: "Teach us, for love of God, of the faith." Jesus answered: "It is time that we say the prayer of the dawn." Whereupon they arose, and having washed themselves made prayer to our God, who is blessed for evermore.
Note: Compare Jesus ‘ way of educating his disciples with what is in Gospels – MUQ (Abridged)
After reading all gospels and this one from Barnabas, I can safely say that none of the disciples was an intelligent person and all understood nothing.

It would have been a different story, if the biblical Jesus had sat among elders and had spoken nicely with them.

I think, being a young man, he chose all young men and that was a bad idea. Perhaps, these biblical disciples spoiled his mission.

Salaams
BMZ
uhuh

Spain

#161352 Feb 1, 2013
as his name implies, Gabri-El is the "strength of God", he turned the sinful cities upside down

i guess the Jews of Medina held a grudge against him because he massacred those lovely gays of Sodom
uhuh

Spain

#161356 Feb 1, 2013
bmz wrote:
On one occasion Jesus drove demons into 2000 pigs, which belonged to poor farmers and paid them no compensation.
interesting point

that's why they "pleaded with him": Go away from here!(Matt 8:34, Mark 5:17), you are ruining us
LOL
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#161357 Feb 1, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
After reading all gospels and this one from Barnabas, I can safely say that none of the disciples was an intelligent person and all understood nothing.
It would have been a different story, if the biblical Jesus had sat among elders and had spoken nicely with them.
I think, being a young man, he chose all young men and that was a bad idea. Perhaps, these biblical disciples spoiled his mission.
Salaams
BMZ
I think, the prophet's earliest disciples are from young and weaker members of society.

The elders and educated are "too puffed up" to listen to any New Prophet.

If you see the "Minor prophets as mentioned in Bible, you will appreciate what I wrote".

There is no fault of Jesus as he choosing the best of who hearken to his message.

These disciples were taught and trained by Jesus. If his mission would have been longer, he would have imparted much knowledge to them.

But seeing in the larger context, there was not much to be changed. Jesus did not bring any new religion. He and his disciples followed the law of Moses, which was almost complete.

A few things were to be changed , which he did.

Jesus knew and taught his disciples that a "New prophet whom the world is waiting far, shall come after him, and set every thing right".

The problem came when Christians under the influence of St. Paul tried to create a "new religion" and distanced themselves from laws of Moses. That was the problem because Jesus' teachings were not sufficient to start a new religion.

And then there was "character assassination" of Jesus' chosen disciples and negate their importance.

These Questions and answers between Jesus and his disciples are part of the training process and I find no fault in it.

Allah Knows best.

Salaam

MUQ
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#161358 Feb 1, 2013
uhuh wrote:
<quoted text>
interesting point
that's why they "pleaded with him": Go away from here!(Matt 8:34, Mark 5:17), you are ruining us
LOL
Exactly!

It is also interesting to know that just like the demons, only the pagan Centurions also knew him as the Son of God, while no one in the public considered him that and he himself never declared that openly.

Thanks
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#161359 Feb 1, 2013
Buford wrote:
http://quran.com/22/52-53
"And We did not send before you any messenger or prophet except that when he spoke [or recited], Satan threw into it [some misunderstanding]. But Allah abolishes that which Satan throws in; then Allah makes precise His verses. And Allah is Knowing and Wise.[That is] so He may make what Satan throws in a trial for those within whose hearts is disease and those hard of heart. And indeed, the wrongdoers are in extreme dissension."
By this declaration, which Mohammad made to cover his own screwup with regard to the supposed "daughters of Allah" whose intercession he commended and then revoked, Mohammad saw fit to not only accuse Allah of malicious INCOMPETENCE, but to also smear every other prophet of God who has ever walked the earth, and somehow it doesn't matter to Muslims that this is both libel and blasphemy.
I get it! Those in whose hearts is NOT a disease and whose hearts are NOT hard, won't be fooled when a bona fide genuine prophet of God -like Mohammad, for example- speaks damned lies as though they are true, like when he commends the intercession of the supposed "daughters of Allah."
Of course, those in whose hearts is NOT a disease and whose hearts are NOT hard are willing to FORGIVE a bona fide genuine prophet of God -like Mohammad, for example- for speaking damned lies as though they are true, especially when later he repents of commending the intercession of the "daughters of Allah," and EVEN IF he accuses Allah of setting him up for failure.
Buford,

Please tell me what is wrong if we bring up the following lies, so that the silent majority of international readers can appreciate our efforts in refuting and condemning the lies in the New Testament? The Prophet also brought some of them up.

The Greatest Lie, first: Jesus is God.

Jesus is the Son of God.

God is a Trinity or God is triune.
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#161360 Feb 1, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
You are right, ANYONE can write a book and say that it is from God (that is why we have close to 100 or so Gospels!!).
But the problem is that Quran is only one!! and it given open challenge to whole humanity to bring another book like it. It is 1400 years and there is no taker to this challenge!!
Make you think a bit? ANYONE can write a book, but NO ONE can write Quran, or even one chapter like it!!
How dumb you people look , parading your own ignorance in front of every one.
There were many 'versions' of the koran until someone rewrote it and had all the other 'versions' burnt. Nothing divine about that!
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#161361 Feb 1, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Buford,
Please tell me what is wrong if we bring up the following lies, so that the silent majority of international readers can appreciate our efforts in refuting and condemning the lies in the New Testament? The Prophet also brought some of them up.
The Greatest Lie, first: Jesus is God.
Jesus is the Son of God.
God is a Trinity or God is triune.
Did allah say that? No, wait, allah never talked to anyone! Not even mohammad!
MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#161365 Feb 1, 2013
Paul WV wrote:
<quoted text>
There were many 'versions' of the koran until someone rewrote it and had all the other 'versions' burnt. Nothing divine about that!
Why don't YOU try your hand at it and write a "Newer Version" of Quran that beats the "old models".

That is WHAT this Quranic challenge is all about!!

Do not just stand on the road and pass useless comment, get active and order lots and lots of pens and ink and loads of papers!!

How much time it would take to pen down some thing as simple as Chapter 112 of Quran? A very short four verses....Try your hand at it and come up with some thing better!!

This short chapter, demolished the concept of Trinity, God's Son and God in flesh, and God taking Avatars and every other misconception and similes that any one can have about God.... can any human had do it?

Try and come with something snappier and better!!
John Preacher

Ashburn, VA

#161366 Feb 2, 2013
His Torah is Truth, and in these verse Jesus the Son is revealed.
" Proverbs 30:4 (700 B.C.): "Who hath ascended up into heaven or
descended? Who hath gathered the wind in His fists? Who hath bound
the waters in a garment? Who hath established all the ends of the
Earth? What is His name, and what Is HIS SON'S NAME if thou canst tell?"
(Psalm 2:11-12) Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
KISS THE SON, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way,
when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.
The Prophet Daniel see Jesus and called him the very name which Jesus used Son of Man, and declared that he would rule the earth:
"I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the SON OF MAN (Jesus) came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed." (Daniel 7:13-14).
"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this." (Isaiah 9:6-7).
John Preacher

Ashburn, VA

#161367 Feb 2, 2013
From the Mouth of a Rabbi himself, let him show you all the places Jesus Christ is found in the Old Testament, See here:

www.charismamag.com/spirit/bible-study/15023-...

Since: May 12

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#161368 Feb 2, 2013
Sorry if I delete parts of your post, but it was very long, so I just kept the most important parts. Hope you don't mind. I'd like to tell you that it is better if you post only one argument at the time instead of giving many, because like that will be hard and superficial any corrispondence.
Ahmed wrote:
HOW COULD THE PROPHET,IF U SAY THAT HE COULD HAVE BEEN WROTE IT KNOW ABOUT THE 11 PLANETS AND ABOUT
I do only know about 8 planets, and the most of them are visible fromEarth by naked eye. So which eleven planets are you talking about? Do you have the chapter and verse so that anyone can read it?
Ahmed wrote:
If Mohamed (peace be on him) had authored the Quran, why would he honor and mention Mary (May Allah be pleased with her), the mother of Jesus (peace be on him) and NOT mention his own family members?

The Quran speak about of a lot of biblical people, not just Mary, and not for honor them, but to make a point. There is no need to call out Muhammad's parents.
Ahmed wrote:
"O mankind, worship your Lord, who created you and those before you, that you may become righteous" 2:21 ALSO HOW COULD MOHAMMED KNOW THE PROCESS OF CREATION OF A HUMAN,ALLAH SAID 12. And indeed We created man (Adam) out of an extract of clay (water and earth).
13. Thereafter We made him (the offspring of Adam) as a Nutfah (mixed drops of the male and female sexual discharge)(and lodged it) in a safe lodging (womb of the woman).
14. Then We made the Nutfah into a clot (a piece of thick coagulated blood), then We made the clot into a little lump of flesh, then We made out of that little lump of flesh bones, then We clothed the bones with flesh, and then We brought it forth as another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of creators. HOW COULD MOHAMMED SEEHOW A BABY WAS FORMED INSIDE A BELLY OF A MOTHER? IS THIS ENOUGH AS PROOF THAT MOHAMMED DIDN'T WROTE THE QURAN?
The embryology was copied from the works of Greek doctor named Galen and Hippocrates. In fact they made mistakes, and Quran contains the same mistakes.
http://answering-islam.net/Quran/Science/embr...

86:6-7 He is created from a drop emitted - proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs.

We know those verses are wrong since the semen, called a drop emitted, does not come from somewhere between the backbone and the ribs, but rather from testicoles. How can a god be so wrong?
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#161369 Feb 2, 2013
Paul WV wrote:
<quoted text>
Did allah say that? No, wait, allah never talked to anyone! Not even mohammad!
Did Jesus himself say that he was God?

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#161370 Feb 2, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
You are right, ANYONE can write a book and say that it is from God (that is why we have close to 100 or so Gospels!!).
But the problem is that Quran is only one!! and it given open challenge to whole humanity to bring another book like it. It is 1400 years and there is no taker to this challenge!!
Make you think a bit? ANYONE can write a book, but NO ONE can write Quran, or even one chapter like it!!
How dumb you people look , parading your own ignorance in front of every one.
The Quran is plagiarized, out of context, lacking of naration, no chronology of events, vague, filled with science-fiction ect. It is therefore difficult to follow as it leaves the readers confused while it jumps from story to story, with little background narration or explanation. So the Traditions,(i.e. Hadiths) are critical as they provide the context of place, circumstance, and time which otherwise would be lost. Basically, without the Hadith's the Quran is worthless, and the text of the hadith's is all hearsay, with no other proof of evidence to confirm its stories.

Allah wouldn't embrass himself and call Quran his word.

Listen to me and start to take historical evidences and/or use logical and intelligent argument to demolish the points of your antagonists, instead of picking as reference shallow books.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#161371 Feb 2, 2013
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
<quoted text>
The Quran is plagiarized, out of context, lacking of naration, no chronology of events, vague, filled with science-fiction ect. It is therefore difficult to follow as it leaves the readers confused while it jumps from story to story, with little background narration or explanation. So the Traditions,(i.e. Hadiths) are critical as they provide the context of place, circumstance, and time which otherwise would be lost. Basically, without the Hadith's the Quran is worthless, and the text of the hadith's is all hearsay, with no other proof of evidence to confirm its stories.
Allah wouldn't embrass himself and call Quran his word.
Listen to me and start to take historical evidences and/or use logical and intelligent argument to demolish the points of your antagonists, instead of picking as reference shallow books.
Then it would be "all the easier" to plagiarise a zig zag, not chronological, riff raff of something in Arabic that can pass off as "Duplicate Quran".

Why no one took up the challenge in past 1400 years? Does it not look to you as strange?

So instead of describing all the faults of Quran, it would be easier to compose something "in a flash" would it not be?

So when we an expect a "New Quran" from you? In a few hours? A few days? A few months? A few years? Or next 1400 years?!!

As for Quran copying from Taurah and Injeel, let us listen to Quranic "Boast":

"Verily this Quran will explain most of the things on which these People of Book (i.e. Jews and Christians) have disputes..."

Not a small boast from a plagirized, riif raff, non chronologically arranged , book!!
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#161372 Feb 2, 2013
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
Basically, without the Hadith's the Quran is worthless, and the text of the hadith's is all hearsay, with no other proof of evidence to confirm its stories.
Classic from a worthless clueless fool!

Ignorant fool,

There were no Hadith books for 350-500 years. We look at Hadith under the scrutiny of Qur'aan just like we look at the New Testament under the scrutiny of the Torah.

Please humour me more. I like Italian humour, Made in Italy!

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