Who Is Allah?

Who Is Allah?

There are 256270 comments on the The Brussels Journal story from Aug 24, 2007, titled Who Is Allah?. In it, The Brussels Journal reports that:

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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bmz

Since: Mar 08

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#160474 Jan 28, 2013
Eric wrote:
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Can you give a passage from Exodus/Shemot that backs your premise that the lamb was a sacrifice for sin? Where does G-d say anything like this to Moses and Aaron?
Now, you will be told that the entire nation was subjected to slavery because of sin.

G-d said nothing to Moses but the Church did. Christianity and the Church are obsessed with sin. Take out sin and Christianity falls.
Sarah

Brisbane, Australia

#160475 Jan 28, 2013
bmz wrote:
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Who told you that Moses slaughtered the lamb as sacrifice for sin? Where does sin fit in the passover?
It had nothing to do with sin. Read Exodus 11.
Lies upon lies and nothing but lies!
Leviticus 4

1 Then the LORD spoke to Moses, saying,
2 “Speak to the sons of Israel, saying,‘If a person sins unintentionally in any of the things which the LORD has commanded not to be done, and commits any of them,
3 if the anointed priest sins so as to bring guilt on the people, then let him offer to the LORD a bull without defect as a sin offering for the sin he has committed.

22 ‘When a leader sins and unintentionally does any one of all the things which the LORD his God has commanded not to be done, and he becomes guilty,
23 if his sin which he has committed is made known to him, he shall bring for his offering a goat, a male without defect.

32 ‘But if he brings a lamb as his offering for a sin offering, he shall bring it, a female without defect.
33 ‘He shall lay his hand on the head of the sin offering and slay it for a sin offering in the place where they slay the burnt offering.
Buford

Scott Depot, WV

#160476 Jan 28, 2013
MUQ wrote:
I see no one complaining about the "massive" cut and paste of our Buford the Great.....
But when I post one page a day, many people are "up in arms" against me.
Why this dual standard? May I ask?
Dr. Barnabas,

I'm sure that with a little more effort, you could cut and paste your entire favorite Gospel in this thread at one sitting.
John Preacher

Ashburn, VA

#160477 Jan 28, 2013
Read here how Jesus was the offering for sin, Jesus fufilled what the Prophets wrote of the Messiah.
www.jewishroots.net/library/messianic/christ-...
Eric

Schaumburg, IL

#160478 Jan 28, 2013
Sarah wrote:
<quoted text>
Leviticus 4
1 Then the LORD spoke to Moses, saying,
2 “Speak to the sons of Israel, saying,‘If a person sins unintentionally in any of the things which the LORD has commanded not to be done, and commits any of them,
3 if the anointed priest sins so as to bring guilt on the people, then let him offer to the LORD a bull without defect as a sin offering for the sin he has committed.
22 ‘When a leader sins and unintentionally does any one of all the things which the LORD his God has commanded not to be done, and he becomes guilty,
23 if his sin which he has committed is made known to him, he shall bring for his offering a goat, a male without defect.
32 ‘But if he brings a lamb as his offering for a sin offering, he shall bring it, a female without defect.
33 ‘He shall lay his hand on the head of the sin offering and slay it for a sin offering in the place where they slay the burnt offering.
and none of this pertains to the paschal lamb. It was not a burnt offering. It was not a bull. It was a meal.

And, taking the idea that it was a sacrifice ad argumentum, how come you discount that it was a sacrifice for thanksgiving rather than a sacrifice for sin? There is no mention of sin in the passages.
Buford

Scott Depot, WV

#160479 Jan 28, 2013
Sarah wrote:
<quoted text>
Leviticus 4
1 Then the LORD spoke to Moses, saying,
2 “Speak to the sons of Israel, saying,‘If a person sins unintentionally in any of the things which the LORD has commanded not to be done, and commits any of them,
3 if the anointed priest sins so as to bring guilt on the people, then let him offer to the LORD a bull without defect as a sin offering for the sin he has committed.
22 ‘When a leader sins and unintentionally does any one of all the things which the LORD his God has commanded not to be done, and he becomes guilty,
23 if his sin which he has committed is made known to him, he shall bring for his offering a goat, a male without defect.
32 ‘But if he brings a lamb as his offering for a sin offering, he shall bring it, a female without defect.
33 ‘He shall lay his hand on the head of the sin offering and slay it for a sin offering in the place where they slay the burnt offering.
Christainity sees these animal sin offerings as types of the one perfect human sacrifice for sin to come. It isn't a question of what we find offensive, but of what God would do to save us from the power of sin and death.

Christ’s Sacrifice Once for All

10 The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship. 2 Otherwise, would they not have stopped being offered? For the worshipers would have been cleansed once for all, and would no longer have felt guilty for their sins. 3 But those sacrifices are an annual reminder of sins. 4 It is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.

5 Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said:

“Sacrifice and offering you did not desire,
but a body you prepared for me;
6 with burnt offerings and sin offerings
you were not pleased.
7 Then I said,‘Here I am—it is written about me in the scroll—
I have come to do your will, my God.’”[a]

8 First he said,“Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not desire, nor were you pleased with them”—though they were offered in accordance with the law. 9 Then he said,“Here I am, I have come to do your will.” He sets aside the first to establish the second. 10 And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

11 Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13 and since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool. 14 For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.

15 The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says:

16 “This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds.”[b]

17 Then he adds:

“Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more.”[c]

18 And where these have been forgiven, sacrifice for sin is no longer necessary.

a.Hebrews 10:7 Psalm 40:6-8 (see Septuagint)
b.Hebrews 10:16 Jer. 31:33
c.Hebrews 10:17 Jer. 31:34
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#160480 Jan 28, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
It surely made Jesus a new person.
If his baptism had not been carried out by John, the heavens would not have opened, no voice would have shouted, no dove would have landed and he would not have been led and handed over to Satan. Right?
Baptism was itself a sign of repentance. That is why Jesus told his disciples to preach repentance.
Please Refer to Mark 6. You will understand for the first time what the Baptism Hullabaloo is all about.
St John's baptism was a baptism of repentance and not the forgiveness of sin. After Jesus' death, resurrection, and the coming of the Holy Spirit, baptism was not only of repentence but the forgiveness of sin. This made the baptized person a new creation in Christ Jesus, adopted child of God, and heir to the Kingdom of Heaven.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#160481 Jan 28, 2013
Sarah wrote:
<quoted text>
Leviticus 4
1 Then the LORD spoke to Moses, saying,
2 “Speak to the sons of Israel, saying,‘If a person sins unintentionally in any of the things which the LORD has commanded not to be done, and commits any of them,
3 if the anointed priest sins so as to bring guilt on the people, then let him offer to the LORD a bull without defect as a sin offering for the sin he has committed.
22 ‘When a leader sins and unintentionally does any one of all the things which the LORD his God has commanded not to be done, and he becomes guilty,
23 if his sin which he has committed is made known to him, he shall bring for his offering a goat, a male without defect.
32 ‘But if he brings a lamb as his offering for a sin offering, he shall bring it, a female without defect.
33 ‘He shall lay his hand on the head of the sin offering and slay it for a sin offering in the place where they slay the burnt offering.
Sarah,

The Passover happened in Egypt. It had nothing to do with sin. Please read Exodus 11.

Leviticus came after the Hebrews had been delivered and had setlled.
Sarah

Brisbane, Australia

#160482 Jan 28, 2013
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>
and none of this pertains to the paschal lamb. It was not a burnt offering. It was not a bull. It was a meal.
And, taking the idea that it was a sacrifice ad argumentum, how come you discount that it was a sacrifice for thanksgiving rather than a sacrifice for sin? There is no mention of sin in the passages.
The Paschal Lamb is both a regular sacrifice for redemption from sin and a special commemoration of the passover.
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#160483 Jan 28, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Physics is a science has professional standards as per what is worthy of teaching others. Your philosophy does not scientific standards, so your argument is a false equivalence.
The point remains, you are not preaching because you WANT to, you are preaching because you NEED to, in order to construct your indentity (i.e. be who you are). That is an absurd way to go though life, in my opinion, and certainly very codependendent.
There are many scholarly disciplines outside of natural science. Science and philosophy are becoming more interdisciplinary. It was the collaboration of a philosopher and experimental physicist that demonstrated that at the quantum level future events can affect past events.
Buford

Scott Depot, WV

#160484 Jan 28, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Sarah,
The Passover happened in Egypt. It had nothing to do with sin. Please read Exodus 11.
Leviticus came after the Hebrews had been delivered and had setlled.
Mental Blockhead,

If it is at all possible, educate yourself.

http://www.jewfaq.org/qorbanot.htm
Qorbanot: Sacrifices and Offerings

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#160485 Jan 28, 2013
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>
Mental Blockhead,
If it is at all possible, educate yourself.
http://www.jewfaq.org/qorbanot.htm
Qorbanot: Sacrifices and Offerings
Excellent summation

related to the above point,

"...The word "qorbanot" is usually translated as "sacrifices" or "offerings"; however, both of these terms suggest a loss of something or a giving up of something, and although that is certainly a part of the ritual, that is not at all the literal meaning of the Hebrew word. The word qorbanot comes from the root Qof-Reish-Beit, which means "to draw near," and indicates the primary purpose of offerings: to draw us near to G-d..."
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#160486 Jan 28, 2013
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>Christainity sees these animal sin offerings as types of the one perfect human sacrifice for sin to come. It isn't a question of what we find offensive, but of what God would do to save us from the power of sin and death.
Christ’s Sacrifice Once for All
10 The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship. 2 Otherwise, would they not have stopped being offered? For the worshipers would have been cleansed once for all, and would no longer have felt guilty for their sins. 3 But those sacrifices are an annual reminder of sins. 4 It is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.
5 Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said:
“Sacrifice and offering you did not desire,
but a body you prepared for me;
6 with burnt offerings and sin offerings
you were not pleased.
7 Then I said,‘Here I am—it is written about me in the scroll—
I have come to do your will, my God.’”[a]
8 First he said,“Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not desire, nor were you pleased with them”—though they were offered in accordance with the law. 9 Then he said,“Here I am, I have come to do your will.” He sets aside the first to establish the second. 10 And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11 Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13 and since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool. 14 For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.
15 The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says:
16 “This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds.”[b]
17 Then he adds:
“Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more.”[c]
18 And where these have been forgiven, sacrifice for sin is no longer necessary.
a.Hebrews 10:7 Psalm 40:6-8 (see Septuagint)
b.Hebrews 10:16 Jer. 31:33
c.Hebrews 10:17 Jer. 31:34
Was it necessary to quote from the forgery known as Hebrews 10?

Line 5 is the biggest lie in above.

That was not Christ, who said that, ignorant fool. Paul copied and pasted from Psalms 40:6-8 and the rest are all copy and paste from Jeremiah, Deuteronomy, Isaiah and Habakkuk.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#160487 Jan 28, 2013
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>
Mental Blockhead,
If it is at all possible, educate yourself.
http://www.jewfaq.org/qorbanot.htm
Qorbanot: Sacrifices and Offerings
Forget Qorbanot. You dot even know what it is.

The Passover Lamb had nothing to do with sin.

Read Exodus 11, clueless fool!

The problem with you is that you are not well read.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#160488 Jan 28, 2013
Paul WV wrote:
<quoted text>
There are many scholarly disciplines outside of natural science. Science and philosophy are becoming more interdisciplinary. It was the collaboration of a philosopher and experimental physicist that demonstrated that at the quantum level future events can affect past events.
But it was the scientific method that eventually demonstrated that idea.

Besides, what you are promoting is not even academic philosophy. It is religion, even less disciplined.
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#160489 Jan 28, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Was it necessary to quote from the forgery known as Hebrews 10?
Line 5 is the biggest lie in above.
That was not Christ, who said that, ignorant fool. Paul copied and pasted from Psalms 40:6-8 and the rest are all copy and paste from Jeremiah, Deuteronomy, Isaiah and Habakkuk.
Buford got you with that quote from Hebrews.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#160490 Jan 28, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Forget Qorbanot. You dot even know what it is.
The Passover Lamb had nothing to do with sin.
Read Exodus 11, clueless fool!
The problem with you is that you are not well read.
He is well read. Better read than probably any other Christian here.

But Christian theology does a lot of this mixing and matching without regard to context. The important point is that the focus of korbanot is not to remove sin (that is a byproduct) but to provide a means for devekut, a type of worship. The second point is, of course, that the passover lamb had nothing to do with sin.
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#160491 Jan 28, 2013
Paul WV wrote:
<quoted text>
There are many scholarly disciplines outside of natural science. Science and philosophy are becoming more interdisciplinary. It was the collaboration of a philosopher and experimental physicist that demonstrated that at the quantum level future events can affect past events.
wow.....wowdy wow!
Thank you for that profound observation.......
and for what it is worth.little "me" can demonstrate that at the discrete level past can affect future events.

God is eternal ....space and time won't affect God.

That is why it is absurd to assume that God would allow "Himself" to be subjected to laws of nature, which in itself is an admission that "He" is no longer God and no longer in charge.
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#160494 Jan 28, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
But it was the scientific method that eventually demonstrated that idea.
Besides, what you are promoting is not even academic philosophy. It is religion, even less disciplined.
It is theology and revealed by God. The Shroud of Turin is an example of physical evidence that supports the teachings of the Catholic Church. To this day scientists’ are at a loss explaining it. We also have the Talmud of the Lady of Guadeloupe. These are just a couple of the most obvious examples bearing witness to God and His Catholic Church.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#160495 Jan 28, 2013
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
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That is why it is absurd to assume that God would allow "Himself" to be subjected to laws of nature, which in itself is an admission that "He" is no longer God and no longer in charge.
Which is why we have science and we have religion. They look at different things. Not that they cant compliment each other, but they address different questions. The problem is when people confuse them with eachother - then you get junk science.

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