Who Is Allah?

Aug 24, 2007 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Brussels Journal

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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Why not, if you can have THREE D(EITIE)'S in GODDD!!!
Why do you think mohammad was a prophet of God? He was not a descendent of Israel nor a born again Christian.

Why do you think the koran is uncorrupt when the original versions were all burnt after someone rewrote it decades later?

When did mohammad authorize the hadiths?

The biographies of mohammad can not be trusted since they were written a hundred years after he died.
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..........The Need for a Clarification. Christians coming from a Gentile background had to learn this Judeo-Christian nomenclature of the week-days, because in the pagan world the week-days were not numbered but named after the seven planetary deities (dies solis, dies lunae,...). This may explain why Mark, in writing to a Gentile-Christian readership who had only recently learned the Judeo-Christian nomenclature of the week-days, deemed it necessary to clarify what he meant by "paraskeue-preparation, " by adding the qualifying phrase, "that is, the day before the sabbath" (Mark 15:42). This clarification may also have been necessitated by the fact that the seven-day planetary week itself had been recently introduced in the Roman world where the eight-day week (nundinum) was still used side by side with the planetary week.7
Additional and conclusive evidence that "paraskeue-Preparation " is used in the Gospels to designate "Friday" and not "Wednesday" is provided by the sequence in which the days of the Passion weekend are given: "Preparation, Sabbath, first day" (Matt 27:62; 28:1; Mark 15:42; 16:1; Luke 24:54-55; 24:1). Both Mark and Matthew explicitly place the beginning of the first day at the end of the Sabbath (Mark 16:1; Matt 28:1). The latter could hardly have been a Thursday Passover Sabbath, because Thursday is not followed by the first day of the week..........
Conclusion. The foregoing analysis of John 19:14, the second key text of the Wednesday Crucifixion theory, has shown that such a theory is based on human fantasy and not on a Biblical fact. We have submitted abundant evidence indicating that Johnís expression "the day of Preparation of the Passover" (John 19:14), simply means, as most scholars acknowledge, "the Friday of the Passover week." Thus the Crucifixion took place on Friday and not on Wednesday.
http://www.biblicalperspectives.com/books/cru...
Is it suprising that Christian's Holy Day is Sunday, the day of the Lord's resurrection, while muslims day of prayer is on Friday, the day of our Lord's crucifixtion?
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..........The Need for a Clarification. Christians coming from a Gentile background had to learn this Judeo-Christian nomenclature of the week-days, because in the pagan world the week-days were not numbered but named after the seven planetary deities (dies solis, dies lunae,...). This may explain why Mark, in writing to a Gentile-Christian readership who had only recently learned the Judeo-Christian nomenclature of the week-days, deemed it necessary to clarify what he meant by "paraskeue-preparation, " by adding the qualifying phrase, "that is, the day before the sabbath" (Mark 15:42). This clarification may also have been necessitated by the fact that the seven-day planetary week itself had been recently introduced in the Roman world where the eight-day week (nundinum) was still used side by side with the planetary week.7
Additional and conclusive evidence that "paraskeue-Preparation " is used in the Gospels to designate "Friday" and not "Wednesday" is provided by the sequence in which the days of the Passion weekend are given: "Preparation, Sabbath, first day" (Matt 27:62; 28:1; Mark 15:42; 16:1; Luke 24:54-55; 24:1). Both Mark and Matthew explicitly place the beginning of the first day at the end of the Sabbath (Mark 16:1; Matt 28:1). The latter could hardly have been a Thursday Passover Sabbath, because Thursday is not followed by the first day of the week..........
Conclusion. The foregoing analysis of John 19:14, the second key text of the Wednesday Crucifixion theory, has shown that such a theory is based on human fantasy and not on a Biblical fact. We have submitted abundant evidence indicating that Johnís expression "the day of Preparation of the Passover" (John 19:14), simply means, as most scholars acknowledge, "the Friday of the Passover week." Thus the Crucifixion took place on Friday and not on Wednesday.
http://www.biblicalperspectives.com/books/cru...
So what?

Samuele Bacchiocchi was a Seventh-day Adventist, i.e., a Christian, who rejected the Wednesday crucifiction scenario as unsupported by the text of the NT as he understood it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuele_Bacchioc...

Samuele R. Bacchiocchi (29 January 1938, Rome, Italy Ė 20 December 2008) was a Seventh-day Adventist author and theologian, best known for his work on the Sabbath in Christianity, particularly in the historical work From Sabbath to Sunday, based on his doctoral thesis from the Pontifical Gregorian University. He was also known for his opposition to rock music, certain dress standards, alcohol and the ordination of women. He was one of the best known Adventist scholars outside of the Adventist church.
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Bacchiocchi taught in the religion department of Andrews University from 1974 till his retirement in 2000. He served as professor of theology and church history. He regularly presented seminars worldwide, and has written many books and articles on biblical topics, although he has been criticized by some Adventists for straying beyond his area of expertise - the Sabbath.
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Incidentally, Muslims don't observe the Jewish Sabbath, either, their excuse being that Mohammad -considered by them to be the last and best prophet ever, even the very "seal" of the prophets- abrogated it and many other Jewish doctrines and observances.
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Why do you think mohammad was a prophet of God? He was not a descendent of Israel nor a born again Christian.
Why do you think the koran is uncorrupt when the original versions were all burnt after someone rewrote it decades later?
When did mohammad authorize the hadiths?
The biographies of mohammad can not be trusted since they were written a hundred years after he died.
Welcome clueless Paul. How are you my old mucker?

- THE MOST HOLY PROPHET MUHAMMED IS THE TRUE MESSENGER FROM GOD....there are thousands of reasons and one key reason is he has given the the Secret to true salvation:
Salvation is THROUGH GOD.
Salvation is NOT through non-gentile men who came ONLY for non-gentiles (and who insulted Gentiles as DOGS and PIGS), NOW marketed as "god" of clueless Gentiles like you!!!!!

- There is NO such thing called "Christian" in the books of Holy Prophet Jesus PBUH! Therefore, there is even less chance of him recognising a "concocted born again Christian"!!!!

- Just because non-gentiles chose to edit THEIR books to elevate themselves and claim EXCLUSIVE access to GOD,(thus excluding EVERY Gentile including you, me, chinese and the lamp post!) does NOT mean that it is correct!

Only a fools will believe that God only reaches humans through Jacob's lot that even in the edited non-gentile books are caught lying, cheating and correcting the message while handing over power to only the boys of Judah by eliminatiing every other son of jacob.

Jacob in the non-gentile books is lying his way into taking Isaacs' title from Esau. Isaac himself is not entitled to the title of Abraham while his older brother Ishmael is alive!!!

- Quran burning must have helped get rid of books written by liars? There was a need to ensure Quran was consistent and as originally written by scribes. Unlike today, if people were keeping their own records or parts of it, such confusing materials needed to be get rid of.

- Imagine if 100 different versions of Quran is put about today in different languages without the orginal version in Arabic as source, how confusing and unreliable it would be!!

OOOOOOPSSSSSS.,....that MUST ring a HUGE bell in your ears...as YOU are trapped in such confusion called "Holy Bible" in 100's of confusing different versions (all inspired by a confusing ghostly god!!) without ANY original in the language of Jesus!!!!!!!!!!

- Your last questions are not relevant as I know how to understand Hadith and the HOLY Prophets life by judging it in terms of QURAN as my ultimate source! If anything agrees with Quran I accept them and if anything leaves even a shadow of doubt if judged through Quran I reject them!!!!!!!!!

VERY SIMPLE!

- Why do you shamelessly cling on to non-gentile books and religion, when they consider you to be inferior and deserve to be UTTERLY destroyed? Poor clueless paul!
- Why do you talk about a non-gentile man who cam eonly for the non-gentiles and considered you to be DOG and PIG? Poor you!
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Is it suprising that Christian's Holy Day is Sunday, the day of the Lord's resurrection, while muslims day of prayer is on Friday, the day of our Lord's crucifixtion?
Once Mohammad realized that he wasn't going to convince the Jews that he was any kind of prophet, much less a prophet like Moses, he turned on them with a vengeance and did everything that he could to distance his new religion of Islam from Jewish observances, an effort that included establishing his own "Sabbath," Friday, and changing the prayer direction from Jerusalem to Mecca.
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Is it suprising that Christian's Holy Day is Sunday, the day of the Lord's resurrection, while muslims day of prayer is on Friday, the day of our Lord's crucifixtion?
Hey clueless paul. The non-gentile man who couldn't give a toss for gentiles is NOT your "lord"!!!!
The LORD GOD who loves and shows mercy on you is NOT a non-gentile man!!
Wake up!
Sunday is irrelevant to non-gentiles because it is based on a tissue of lies!
Sunday is PAGAN day and you are dumb enough to think that BJ got up and ran off on that day!
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<quoted text>So what?
Samuele Bacchiocchi was a Seventh-day Adventist, i.e., a Christian, who rejected the Wednesday crucifiction scenario as unsupported by the text of the NT as he understood it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuele_Bacchioc...
Samuele R. Bacchiocchi (29 January 1938, Rome, Italy Ė 20 December 2008) was a Seventh-day Adventist author and theologian, best known for his work on the Sabbath in Christianity, particularly in the historical work From Sabbath to Sunday, based on his doctoral thesis from the Pontifical Gregorian University. He was also known for his opposition to rock music, certain dress standards, alcohol and the ordination of women. He was one of the best known Adventist scholars outside of the Adventist church.
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Bacchiocchi taught in the religion department of Andrews University from 1974 till his retirement in 2000. He served as professor of theology and church history. He regularly presented seminars worldwide, and has written many books and articles on biblical topics, although he has been criticized by some Adventists for straying beyond his area of expertise - the Sabbath.
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Incidentally, Muslims don't observe the Jewish Sabbath, either, their excuse being that Mohammad -considered by them to be the last and best prophet ever, even the very "seal" of the prophets- abrogated it and many other Jewish doctrines and observances.
Hey simpleton....John was cooked up as an afterthought with many "insertions" including "word/flesh bs" "son"."jewish killers" plus many other stories...to change the direction of Paulianity.
To you BJ was crucified on Wednesday...and after preaching to the dead(or was it deaf?!!!!!!!!!he said "i must now save the gentile dog and pig called bu(tteredbuttturdlick)ford ", got up on sunday banged 7 demons off Mary while she moaned oh god..oh god, grabbed broiled fish and honeycombe off the REBUKED and starving cowards and ran off to enjoy the cosy life of heaven!!!!! very nice!!lol..

The best answer: Even if he was crucified everyday for your sins that will not be enough to wipe off your sins.
For him to believe that he could die for your sins would make him a misguided false prophet who should have known better... THUS PROVING NON-GENTILE CLAIM THAT HE IS A FALSE MESSENGER!!!!
- BY ADMITTING HE DIED, YOU FALL INTO THE HANDS OF NON-GENTILES WHO "KNOW" HE IS A FALSE PROPHET.
- BY ADMITTING HE DIED FOR THE SINS OF GENTILES, YOU DISPLAY YOUR IGNORANCE OF NON-GENTILE RELIGION.
- IN SHORT YOU ARE A DONKEY WHO IS CARRYING THE NONGENTILE BOOKS WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING ANYTHING ABOUT THEM.
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<quoted text>Once Mohammad realized that he wasn't going to convince the Jews that he was any kind of prophet, much less a prophet like Moses, he turned on them with a vengeance and did everything that he could to distance his new religion of Islam from Jewish observances, an effort that included establishing his own "Sabbath," Friday, and changing the prayer direction from Jerusalem to Mecca.
Are you listening to yourself clueless fool?!
Why did the clueless non-gentiles choose Sunday instead of sticking to Saturday the special day of non-gentile BJ?
Is it because the clueless mangod worshippers could not convince the non-gentiles and got p'd off with them. so they switched to sunday and started worshipping a naked pagan on a cross to annoy the non-gentiles who NEVER worship idols?
lol...
Eat your own words...

Lol...Holy Prophet Muhammed is certainly as Moses and better because there is nothing in history about even Moses!! Only stories. And even worse...Both Moses and BJ could not give a moneky's fart to Gentile fools like you!!!!

Only the HOLY PROPHET MUHAMMED PBUH, CARED FOR GENTILES....and came as a Mercy to All mankind including non-Gentiles.
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Hello HughBe ...allow me to clarify your above point:
Question, does Judaism support homosexuality?
Answer is below.
Traditionally, Judaism has understood homosexual intercourse as contrary to Judaism, and this opinion is still maintained by ORTHODOX Judaism. On the other hand, RECONSTRUCTIONIST Judaism and REFORM Judaism do not hold this view and allow homosexual intercourse.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism_and_sexu...
Peace.
Alex---Hello HughBe ...allow me to CLARIFY your above point:

HughBe--- I thank you for your comment, Alex. Now please keep the question in mind i.e.does Judaism support homosexuality?

Answer is YES.

PROOF:"Reconstructionist Judaism and REFORM Judaism do not hold this view and ALLOW HOMOSEXUAL intercourse."

Did you see ALLOW homosexual intercourse? It says that Judaism approves of HOMOSEXUALITY. Now it is not just one sect but note and understand that "42 percent of American Jews regard themselves as Reform".
This is highly SIGNIFICANT as nearly 50% of Jews are SECULAR and not religious. Put it this way, in America the DOMINANT view of Judaism is that homosexuality is ACCEPTABLE and it is the view of almost ALL of the Judahites. Eric and Frijoles positions confirm this before your very eyes.
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Welcome clueless Paul. How are you my old mucker?
- THE MOST HOLY PROPHET MUHAMMED IS THE TRUE MESSENGER FROM GOD....there are thousands of reasons and one key reason is he has given the the Secret to true salvation:
Salvation is THROUGH GOD.
Salvation is NOT through non-gentile men who came ONLY for non-gentiles (and who insulted Gentiles as DOGS and PIGS), NOW marketed as "god" of clueless Gentiles like you!!!!!
- There is NO such thing called "Christian" in the books of Holy Prophet Jesus PBUH! Therefore, there is even less chance of him recognising a "concocted born again Christian"!!!!
- Just because non-gentiles chose to edit THEIR books to elevate themselves and claim EXCLUSIVE access to GOD,(thus excluding EVERY Gentile including you, me, chinese and the lamp post!) does NOT mean that it is correct!
Only a fools will believe that God only reaches humans through Jacob's lot that even in the edited non-gentile books are caught lying, cheating and correcting the message while handing over power to only the boys of Judah by eliminatiing every other son of jacob.
Jacob in the non-gentile books is lying his way into taking Isaacs' title from Esau. Isaac himself is not entitled to the title of Abraham while his older brother Ishmael is alive!!!
- Quran burning must have helped get rid of books written by liars? There was a need to ensure Quran was consistent and as originally written by scribes. Unlike today, if people were keeping their own records or parts of it, such confusing materials needed to be get rid of.
- Imagine if 100 different versions of Quran is put about today in different languages without the orginal version in Arabic as source, how confusing and unreliable it would be!!
OOOOOOPSSSSSS.,....that MUST ring a HUGE bell in your ears...as YOU are trapped in such confusion called "Holy Bible" in 100's of confusing different versions (all inspired by a confusing ghostly god!!) without ANY original in the language of Jesus!!!!!!!!!!
- Your last questions are not relevant as I know how to understand Hadith and the HOLY Prophets life by judging it in terms of QURAN as my ultimate source! If anything agrees with Quran I accept them and if anything leaves even a shadow of doubt if judged through Quran I reject them!!!!!!!!!
VERY SIMPLE!
- Why do you shamelessly cling on to non-gentile books and religion, when they consider you to be inferior and deserve to be UTTERLY destroyed? Poor clueless paul!
- Why do you talk about a non-gentile man who cam eonly for the non-gentiles and considered you to be DOG and PIG? Poor you!
The koran now used was written decades after mohammad died and all the other versions of the koran were burnt! This means islam is based on a false premise: that the koran they are using is the original on mohammad had dictated on scraps of wood, leaves, stones, and animal skins that have long ago disapeared. How convenient!

So if you say a something agrees with the koran then it's an hadith that all muslims must follow? Where did mohammad give you this authority to determine what is an hadith? Not all muslims agree on the hadiths; so why don't you set them all straight, since you have authority given you by mohammad, and tell them which ones are okay to use?

muslims say the Gospels where written decades after Jesus ascended into Heaven and thus cannot be trusted. If that logic is true then the biographies of mohammad written a hundred years after he died can not be trusted.
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Hey clueless paul. The non-gentile man who couldn't give a toss for gentiles is NOT your "lord"!!!!
The LORD GOD who loves and shows mercy on you is NOT a non-gentile man!!
Wake up!
Sunday is irrelevant to non-gentiles because it is based on a tissue of lies!
Sunday is PAGAN day and you are dumb enough to think that BJ got up and ran off on that day!
muslims honor the day our Lord and God Jesus was crucified while Christians honor the day He rose from the dead. Very telling!
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Alex---Hello HughBe ...allow me to CLARIFY your above point:
HughBe--- I thank you for your comment, Alex. Now please keep the question in mind i.e.does Judaism support homosexuality?
Answer is YES.
PROOF:"Reconstructionist Judaism and REFORM Judaism do not hold this view and ALLOW HOMOSEXUAL intercourse."
Did you see ALLOW homosexual intercourse? It says that Judaism approves of HOMOSEXUALITY. Now it is not just one sect but note and understand that "42 percent of American Jews regard themselves as Reform".
This is highly SIGNIFICANT as nearly 50% of Jews are SECULAR and not religious. Put it this way, in America the DOMINANT view of Judaism is that homosexuality is ACCEPTABLE and it is the view of almost ALL of the Judahites. Eric and Frijoles positions confirm this before your very eyes.
Hello HughBe.
Oh yes, I fully see your point. It seems the majority who claim to follow "Judaism" appear to accept homosexuality.
I believe that they are making lawful what "their" god made unlawful and making unlawful what "their" god made lawful.
Sad indeed.
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Hey simpleton....John was cooked up as an afterthought with many "insertions" including "word/flesh bs" "son"."jewish killers" plus many other stories...to change the direction of Paulianity.
To you BJ was crucified on Wednesday...and after preaching to the dead(or was it deaf?!!!!!!!!!he said "i must now save the gentile dog and pig called bu(tteredbuttturdlick)ford ", got up on sunday banged 7 demons off Mary while she moaned oh god..oh god, grabbed broiled fish and honeycombe off the REBUKED and starving cowards and ran off to enjoy the cosy life of heaven!!!!! very nice!!lol..
The best answer: Even if he was crucified everyday for your sins that will not be enough to wipe off your sins.
For him to believe that he could die for your sins would make him a misguided false prophet who should have known better... THUS PROVING NON-GENTILE CLAIM THAT HE IS A FALSE MESSENGER!!!!
- BY ADMITTING HE DIED, YOU FALL INTO THE HANDS OF NON-GENTILES WHO "KNOW" HE IS A FALSE PROPHET.
- BY ADMITTING HE DIED FOR THE SINS OF GENTILES, YOU DISPLAY YOUR IGNORANCE OF NON-GENTILE RELIGION.
- IN SHORT YOU ARE A DONKEY WHO IS CARRYING THE NONGENTILE BOOKS WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING ANYTHING ABOUT THEM.
AL-EX THE PHALLOCENTRIC CAPSMEISTER,

I sincerely doubt that you were ever a Christian, as IGNORANT as you are of the very concept of vicarious or substitutionary atonement. Even the Jews who reject Jesus as a false prophet have a better understanding of Christianity than you do.
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Are you listening to yourself clueless fool?!
Why did the clueless non-gentiles choose Sunday instead of sticking to Saturday the special day of non-gentile BJ?
Is it because the clueless mangod worshippers could not convince the non-gentiles and got p'd off with them. so they switched to sunday and started worshipping a naked pagan on a cross to annoy the non-gentiles who NEVER worship idols?
lol...
Eat your own words...
Lol...Holy Prophet Muhammed is certainly as Moses and better because there is nothing in history about even Moses!! Only stories. And even worse...Both Moses and BJ could not give a moneky's fart to Gentile fools like you!!!!
Only the HOLY PROPHET MUHAMMED PBUH, CARED FOR GENTILES....and came as a Mercy to All mankind including non-Gentiles.
AL-EX THE PHALLOCENTRIC,

There you go again with your "naked pagan" fixation.

Tell us, if you will, about how your "HOLY PROPHET MUHAMMED PBUH, CARED FOR" the Jews of Khaybar, notably Kinanah who was torturted with fire before he was beheaded, and his widow Safiyah who was taken as "lawful booty" by that murdering rapist of a "prophet" that you idolize.
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<quoted text>AL-EX THE PHALLOCENTRIC CAPSMEISTER,
I sincerely doubt that you were ever a Christian, as IGNORANT as you are of the very concept of vicarious or substitutionary atonement. Even the Jews who reject Jesus as a false prophet have a better understanding of Christianity than you do.
hello deluded non-gentile bu(tteredbuttturdlick)ford!
Yes, the non-gentiles who reject BJ as false prophet have a darn good understanding about your "supposed" religion. That's why they call you idolators and according to them you are doomed even before you started!

Now tell us about vicarious atonement as understood by BJ without involving honest paul who "saw" the ghost of "Gentile Christ" but NEVER met Non-Gentile Jesus!! That will be darn good laugh!

Please entertain us with DIRECT claim from BJ in the Gospels that he came to earth as a 100% human being (not in human form) to die (in pursuit of "made up" vicarious or substitutionary atonement)for the sins of Gentiles!!!
You know you are talking bull or do you?!

LEt's repeat for you to challenge point by point instead of coming up with links!!
Hey simpleton....John was cooked up as an afterthought with many "insertions" including "word/flesh bs" "son"."jewish killers" plus many other stories...to change the direction of Paulianity.
To you BJ was crucified on Wednesday...and after preaching to the dead(or was it deaf?!!!!!!!!!he said "i must now save the gentile dog and pig called bu(tteredbuttturdlick)ford ", got up on sunday banged 7 demons off Mary while she moaned oh god..oh god, grabbed broiled fish and honeycombe off the REBUKED and starving cowards and ran off to enjoy the cosy life of heaven!!!!! very nice!!lol..
The best answer: Even if he was crucified everyday for your sins that will not be enough to wipe off your sins.
For him to believe that he could die for your sins would make him a misguided false prophet who should have known better... THUS PROVING NON-GENTILE CLAIM THAT HE IS A FALSE MESSENGER!!!!
- BY ADMITTING HE DIED, YOU FALL INTO THE HANDS OF NON-GENTILES WHO "KNOW" HE IS A FALSE PROPHET.
- BY ADMITTING HE DIED FOR THE SINS OF GENTILES, YOU DISPLAY YOUR IGNORANCE OF NON-GENTILE RELIGION.
- IN SHORT YOU ARE A DONKEY WHO IS CARRYING THE NONGENTILE BOOKS WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING ANYTHING ABOUT THEM.
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hello deluded non-gentile bu(tteredbuttturdlick)ford!
Yes, the non-gentiles who reject BJ as false prophet have a darn good understanding about your "supposed" religion. That's why they call you idolators and according to them you are doomed even before you started!
Now tell us about vicarious atonement as understood by BJ without involving honest paul who "saw" the ghost of "Gentile Christ" but NEVER met Non-Gentile Jesus!! That will be darn good laugh!
Please entertain us with DIRECT claim from BJ in the Gospels that he came to earth as a 100% human being (not in human form) to die (in pursuit of "made up" vicarious or substitutionary atonement)for the sins of Gentiles!!!
You know you are talking bull or do you?!
LEt's repeat for you to challenge point by point instead of coming up with links!!
Hey simpleton....John was cooked up as an afterthought with many "insertions" including "word/flesh bs" "son"."jewish killers" plus many other stories...to change the direction of Paulianity.
To you BJ was crucified on Wednesday...and after preaching to the dead(or was it deaf?!!!!!!!!!he said "i must now save the gentile dog and pig called bu(tteredbuttturdlick)ford ", got up on sunday banged 7 demons off Mary while she moaned oh god..oh god, grabbed broiled fish and honeycombe off the REBUKED and starving cowards and ran off to enjoy the cosy life of heaven!!!!! very nice!!lol..
The best answer: Even if he was crucified everyday for your sins that will not be enough to wipe off your sins.
For him to believe that he could die for your sins would make him a misguided false prophet who should have known better... THUS PROVING NON-GENTILE CLAIM THAT HE IS A FALSE MESSENGER!!!!
- BY ADMITTING HE DIED, YOU FALL INTO THE HANDS OF NON-GENTILES WHO "KNOW" HE IS A FALSE PROPHET.
- BY ADMITTING HE DIED FOR THE SINS OF GENTILES, YOU DISPLAY YOUR IGNORANCE OF NON-GENTILE RELIGION.
- IN SHORT YOU ARE A DONKEY WHO IS CARRYING THE NONGENTILE BOOKS WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING ANYTHING ABOUT THEM.
There is an area of theology that addresses Christology; the study of Jesus and how He fulfilled the Law and the Prophets as prophesized in the Holy Scriptures of Israel. There is no theology of mohammad, anyone who claims to be an imam can start preaching to muslims who believe whatever they say.
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The koran now used was written decades after mohammad died and all the other versions of the koran were burnt! This means islam is based on a false premise: that the koran they are using is the original on mohammad had dictated on scraps of wood, leaves, stones, and animal skins that have long ago disapeared. How convenient!
So if you say a something agrees with the koran then it's an hadith that all muslims must follow? Where did mohammad give you this authority to determine what is an hadith? Not all muslims agree on the hadiths; so why don't you set them all straight, since you have authority given you by mohammad, and tell them which ones are okay to use?
muslims say the Gospels where written decades after Jesus ascended into Heaven and thus cannot be trusted. If that logic is true then the biographies of mohammad written a hundred years after he died can not be trusted.
Did you actually read or understand my post?
Quran can be written today dear Paul. It talks about ONE God. It asks us to worship that ONE god of ALL creation. Quran does not promote the Arabs as superior or that Arabs would go to heaven and others won't unlike the non-gentile books that CLEARLY promotes the supriority of ONE race and tribe to the TOTAL exclusion and elimination of Gentiles. Quran does NOT tell us to worship a naked man either. It is quite simple and straight forward. No need for great proofs!
I said NO such thing about Hadith! To me Quran gives me more than what I need to live on planet earth. Holy Prophet Muhammed did NOT write a book called "hadith". Hadith are collections of work by many people who are trying to recall/reproduce what they saw or heard during the time of the Holy Prophet. As Hadith are from human beings like the Gospels, they may be liable to errors as there is no guarantee by God to protect such writing. I can't see why you are wasting time on "hadith".
Why don't you try to understand the Quran?
What I said was simple...Holy Prophet Muhammed said worship ONLY Allah. If a Hadith says Holy Prophet Muhammed worshipped Allah, I accept it. But if it says he worshipped a naked pagan on a pole I reject it because Quran says to worship ONLY Allah. Hope you understand. You best stop the side show and concentrate on the main issue. It is about ONE God and our submission to the Will of that ONE God who created us including Moses and BJ!
Then you go on to claims about Gospels. Yes, Gospels were not only written long after Jesus but amazingly they have nothing original in the original language of the man!! Surely that is the minimum we need when you claim that BJ is God in human form!
Such extra ordinary claims need extra ordinary proof.
Let me tell you something....If Quran said Holy Prophet Muhammed was God in human form and came to LIVE for our sins...I would challenge it straight away. I would NEED proper proof from history and even "video" evidence!!!!!lol...
To claim that a man is god is absurd....therefore, the onus is on you to come up with original versions. Otherwise, you are doomed!

Now READ what I said....

- THE MOST HOLY PROPHET MUHAMMED IS THE TRUE MESSENGER FROM GOD....there are thousands of reasons and one key reason is he has given the the Secret to true salvation:
Salvation is THROUGH GOD.
Salvation is NOT through non-gentile men who came ONLY for non-gentiles (and who insulted Gentiles as DOGS and PIGS), NOW marketed as "god" of clueless Gentiles!
- There is NO such thing called "Christian" in the books of Holy Prophet Jesus PBUH! Therefore, there is even less chance of him recognising a "concocted born again Christian"!
- Just because non-gentiles chose to edit THEIR books to elevate themselves and claim EXCLUSIVE access to GOD,(thus excluding EVERY Gentile including you, me, chinese and the lamp post!) does NOT mean that it is correct!
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Did you actually read or understand my post?
Quran can be written today dear Paul. It talks about ONE God. It asks us to worship that ONE god of ALL creation. Quran does not promote the Arabs as superior or that Arabs would go to heaven and others won't unlike the non-gentile books that CLEARLY promotes the supriority of ONE race and tribe to the TOTAL exclusion and elimination of Gentiles. Quran does NOT tell us to worship a naked man either. It is quite simple and straight forward. No need for great proofs!
I said NO such thing about Hadith! To me Quran gives me more than what I need to live on planet earth. Holy Prophet Muhammed did NOT write a book called "hadith". Hadith are collections of work by many people who are trying to recall/reproduce what they saw or heard during the time of the Holy Prophet. As Hadith are from human beings like the Gospels, they may be liable to errors as there is no guarantee by God to protect such writing. I can't see why you are wasting time on "hadith".
Why don't you try to understand the Quran?
What I said was simple...Holy Prophet Muhammed said worship ONLY Allah. If a Hadith says Holy Prophet Muhammed worshipped Allah, I accept it. But if it says he worshipped a naked pagan on a pole I reject it because Quran says to worship ONLY Allah. Hope you understand. You best stop the side show and concentrate on the main issue. It is about ONE God and our submission to the Will of that ONE God who created us including Moses and BJ!
Then you go on to claims about Gospels. Yes, Gospels were not only written long after Jesus but amazingly they have nothing original in the original language of the man!! Surely that is the minimum we need when you claim that BJ is God in human form!
Such extra ordinary claims need extra ordinary proof.
Let me tell you something....If Quran said Holy Prophet Muhammed was God in human form and came to LIVE for our sins...I would challenge it straight away. I would NEED proper proof from history and even "video" evidence!!!!!lol...
To claim that a man is god is absurd....therefore, the onus is on you to come up with original versions. Otherwise, you are doomed!
Now READ what I said....
- THE MOST HOLY PROPHET MUHAMMED IS THE TRUE MESSENGER FROM GOD....there are thousands of reasons and one key reason is he has given the the Secret to true salvation:
Salvation is THROUGH GOD.
Salvation is NOT through non-gentile men who came ONLY for non-gentiles (and who insulted Gentiles as DOGS and PIGS), NOW marketed as "god" of clueless Gentiles!
- There is NO such thing called "Christian" in the books of Holy Prophet Jesus PBUH! Therefore, there is even less chance of him recognising a "concocted born again Christian"!
- Just because non-gentiles chose to edit THEIR books to elevate themselves and claim EXCLUSIVE access to GOD,(thus excluding EVERY Gentile including you, me, chinese and the lamp post!) does NOT mean that it is correct!
The koran you have was not written by mohammad but several decades after his death. mohammad could not even write so you have nothing from mohammad himself; only the claims of other people who claim to have know him and what he said. I will stick with that handed down to us through God's Holy Catholic Church.
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There you go again with your "naked pagan" fixation.
Tell us, if you will, about how your "HOLY PROPHET MUHAMMED PBUH, CARED FOR" the Jews of Khaybar, notably Kinanah who was torturted with fire before he was beheaded, and his widow Safiyah who was taken as "lawful booty" by that murdering rapist of a "prophet" that you idolize.
You can get fixated on a few poor non gentiles of khaybar while not batting an eyelid about the MILLIONS of non-gentiles massacred by loving Christians!
Did you see them being tortured and beheaded? I don't see that in the Quran.
Now while you are shedding croc tears for a handful of "enemies" who happen to be Jews at that time..you ignore the Arab enemies who fought Muslims! When it comes to defending God's faith, it is the duty to defend it! Quran clearly talks about defence and totally rejects transgression.
There is ample proof that Islam is for ALL.
Yes, he showed mercy to many.
If you claim about force is true, people would have ditched Islam by now when Islam is under siege and weak!!
No you fool!!
That is happening to Christianity!!
Islam is the ONLY religion that calls for the Worship of ONE true God of Adam, Noah and others.
Islam does NOT exclude people by their race colour or nation.
Christianity was made up by people like Paul who conned people like you. Jesus NEVER wanted this religion because he wanted the non-gentiles to accept him as their messenger and not the mangod of clueless gentiles!!!!
Judaism unfortunately refers to the same God as islam but it seeks to enslave God as its own little slave god who looks after only them!
It is up to you.
Either you continue to scream in the darkt educated in Christianity and then help others to embrace Islam!
You need to learm a lot more instead of looking at silly links!

Why did the clueless non-gentiles choose Sunday instead of sticking to Saturday the special day of non-gentile BJ?

Is it because the clueless mangod worshippers could not convince the non-gentiles and got p'd off with them. so they switched to sunday and started worshipping a naked pagan on a cross to annoy the non-gentiles who NEVER worship idols?

Holy Prophet Muhammed is certainly as Moses and better because there is nothing in history about Moses - only stories.

And even worse...BOTH Moses and BJ could not give a monkey's fart for Gentiles!!

Only the HOLY PROPHET MUHAMMED PBUH, CARED FOR GENTILES....and came as a Mercy to All mankind including non-Gentiles.
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The koran you have was not written by mohammad but several decades after his death. mohammad could not even write so you have nothing from mohammad himself; only the claims of other people who claim to have know him and what he said. I will stick with that handed down to us through God's Holy Catholic Church.
Thank you for coming here to open the eyes of Gentile Christians.
Holy Quran was NOT written by Holy Prophet Muhammed.
Allah does NOT need us. We need Allah.
Thank you for clarifying your adherence to the Holy Catholic Church as recommended in the Gospels by BJ??
Many Christians disagree with you, but I leave that to you lot.
Do you wonder why you worship a non-gentile man who called Gentiles DOGS and PIGS.
Is it possible that the people who rejected him wanted to prove that he was a false prophet and a sinner who took worship away from their non-gentile God?
so they "kill" him...and load him with sin hang him from a tree to be taken down at dusk....they not only "kill" but concoct a Satanic idea that the non-gentile man was a Gentile god in human form who "Died" for sins of Gentiles thus nullifying the Messiah claim (Messiah according to non-gentiles could not die before finish his work...and he did not finish the work as expected by non-gentiles!)?
The more people worship this non-gentile man the better it is from the non-gentile point of view because they claim that he is a false messenger!
They also "sell" the gentiles their own books elevating themselves above all Gentiles and the Gentiles swallow this hook line and sinker!!lol..

The non-gentile books CLEARLY promote the supriority of ONE race and tribe to the TOTAL exclusion and elimination of Gentiles.

Holy Prophet Muhammed said worship ONLY Allah. If a Hadith says Holy Prophet Muhammed worshipped Allah, I accept it. But if it says he worshipped a naked pagan on a pole I reject it because Quran says to worship ONLY Allah. Hope you understand. You best stop the side show and concentrate on the main issue. It is about ONE God and our submission to the Will of that ONE God who created us including Moses and BJ!
Then you go on to claims about Gospels. Yes, Gospels were not only written long after Jesus but amazingly they have nothing original in the original language of the man!! Surely that is the minimum we need when you claim that BJ is God in human form!
Such extra ordinary claims need extra ordinary proof.
Let me tell you something....If Quran said Holy Prophet Muhammed was God in human form and came to LIVE for our sins...I would challenge it straight away. I would NEED proper proof from history and even "video" evidence!!!!!lol...
To claim that a man is god is absurd....therefore, the onus is on you to come up with original versions. Otherwise, you are doomed!
Now READ what I said....
- THE MOST HOLY PROPHET MUHAMMED IS THE TRUE MESSENGER FROM GOD....there are thousands of reasons and one key reason is he has given the the Secret to true salvation:
Salvation is THROUGH GOD.
Salvation is NOT through non-gentile men who came ONLY for non-gentiles (and who insulted Gentiles as DOGS and PIGS), NOW marketed as "god" of clueless Gentiles!
- There is NO such thing called "Christian" in the books of Holy Prophet Jesus PBUH! Therefore, there is even less chance of him recognising a "concocted born again Christian"!
- Just because non-gentiles chose to edit THEIR books to elevate themselves and claim EXCLUSIVE access to GOD,(thus excluding EVERY Gentile including you, me, chinese and the lamp post!) does NOT mean that it is correct!

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