Who Is Allah?

Who Is Allah?

There are 228403 comments on the The Brussels Journal story from Aug 24, 2007, titled Who Is Allah?. In it, The Brussels Journal reports that:

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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““You must not lose faith ”

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#158385 Jan 11, 2013
HughBe wrote:
Dr. Frijoles, based on your scientific training please CORRECT my words below.
Judaism/religion does NOT give the Jews their DNA
Judaism/religion does NOT give the Jews their DNA
Judaism/religion does NOT give the Jews their DNA
RACE gives the Jews their DNA
RACE gives the Jews their DNA
RACE gives the Jews their DNA
Jews are a RACE of people.
Jews are a RACE of people.
Jews are a RACE of people.
Judaism is a RELIGION and its members are Judahites.
Judaism is a Religion and its members are Judahites.
Judaism is a Religion and its members are Judahites
Judaism/religion does NOT give the Jews a JEWISH NOSE.
Judaism does NOT give the Jews a JEWISH NOSE.
Judaism does NOT give the Jews a JEWISH NOSE.
RACE gives people a JEWISH NOSE
RACE gives people a JEWISH NOSE
RACE gives people a JEWISH NOSE
Getting insaner by the post.
Mormones believed that when they took (stole) black and native american kids that they would turn white. And white was good ofcourse.
Then someone else named 'jew' as a skincolour.
So hugh is jealouse of the detente between Eric and BMZ or changed his religion to get rid of his arab nose.(As in the pictures on pamphlets in hitlers days always showed the typical arab nose.)
But given that he is mixed jewish-afro, he has an issue with his jewish nose.
Find a (nose) shrink is my suggestion.

Why is jewish seen as race? Well because f.i. the vatican and national socialists defined it as such. Russians never went along with that.
But given that one can simply be prosecuted, even though one is not distinct in appearance from the majority around one, simply because of birth and classification, it is just fitting to spit at one and all and then simply declare oneself as a race and a culture and a religion and why the hell not a colour too. Just to spite the entire crazy world.
Judahite would either be a fervent religious person as f.i. zealots or essenes or one in favour of the judean state millennia ago.

““You must not lose faith ”

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#158386 Jan 11, 2013
The anglo-saxons (saxon-anhalt nowadays) called the jews according to learned roman custom 'djux'.
This was in the 6th-8th century CE.

““You must not lose faith ”

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#158387 Jan 11, 2013
Three wise men came from the east.
Must have been sherpa's.

In Tibetan dialect Sherpa-man from the east.
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#158388 Jan 11, 2013
I'm also a "person of color," damnit.
SamBee

Orlando, FL

#158389 Jan 11, 2013
MAAT wrote:
The anglo-saxons (saxon-anhalt nowadays) called the jews according to learned roman custom 'djux'.
This was in the 6th-8th century CE.
Edom is Rome Esau's grandsons Teman became the Germans and Zepho became the Greeks.

Esau was of the Adamic race, he committed genocide against his posterity by marrying into the Canaanite bloodline. Genesis 36:8 says, "Esau is Edom" and the Jewish Encyclopedia acknowledges that "Edom is in Modern Jewry". Their 1905 edition thus describes the connection between modern day Jews and the race of Edom:

"Some anthropologists are inclined to associate the racial origins of the Jews, not with the Semites, whose language they adopted, but with the Armenians and Hittites of Mesopotamia, whose broad skulls and curved noses they appear to have inherited" (Vol. X, p. 284).
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#158390 Jan 11, 2013
MAAT wrote:
Three wise men came from the east.
Must have been sherpa's.
In Tibetan dialect Sherpa-man from the east.
The Wise Guys.
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#158391 Jan 11, 2013
SamBee wrote:
Esau was of the Adamic race
Where in the hell else would he have come from?
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#158392 Jan 11, 2013
MAAT wrote:
The anglo-saxons (saxon-anhalt nowadays) called the jews according to learned roman custom 'djux'.
This was in the 6th-8th century CE.
rabbee: the letter j, did not even exist. untill after, the 10th century. kinda sounds like your, research material is in error.
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#158393 Jan 11, 2013
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#158396 Jan 11, 2013
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
<quoted text>
Where does the Quran say explicitly that?

I've found this verse on Quran 7:11

And We have certainly created you,[O Mankind], and given you [human] form. Then We said to the angels, "Prostrate to Adam"; so they prostrated, except for Iblees. He was not of those who prostrated.

It implies Iblis was an angel, being the order given to angels.

Less matter if it was angel or a devil, the fact that such beings disobey to their god is silly and should be put together with tales since there is no difference between tales and those stories.
How come you could not find the verse, which says that Iblis was of the Jinns or from the Jinns?

Try again and keep reading.!

““You must not lose faith ”

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#158397 Jan 11, 2013
rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
<quoted text>
rabbee: the letter j, did not even exist. untill after, the 10th century. kinda sounds like your, research material is in error.
otherwise is must write it as: diiux or dzux, which would both not represent the sound.
Romans (thanks Buford) would make -ii sound like | j|.
It's nothing to do with how jews named or precieved themselves.
(has anything ever since christianity became the vogue)

““You must not lose faith ”

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#158398 Jan 11, 2013
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>The Wise Guys.
Whot? The mob came into town?
or is this another band i should know?
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#158399 Jan 11, 2013
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>Braindead Muslim Zealot,
It wasn't Jesus who threatened anyone with eternal damnation. He rather warned of possible nasty outcomes for certain behaviors that persisted till death, but drawing a careful distinction like this doesn't serve your thoughtless agenda.
My point was that Jesus acknowledged eternal damnation and introduced it. He acknowledged because he believed in HELL!
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#158400 Jan 11, 2013
SamBee wrote:
<quoted text>
The Quran, in many citations, portrays Satan or Iblis as an angel:
And (remember) when We said to the angels: "Prostrate yourselves before Adam." And they prostrated except Iblis (Satan), he refused and was proud and was one of the disbelievers (disobedient to Allah). S. 2:34
And (remember) when your Lord said to the angels: "I am going to create a man (Adam) from sounding clay of altered black smooth mud. So, when I have fashioned him completely and breathed into him (Adam) the soul which I created for him, then fall (you) down prostrating yourselves unto him." So, the angels prostrated themselves, all of them together. Except Iblis (Satan),- he refused to be among the prostrators. S. 15:28-31
And (remember) when We said to the angels: "Prostrate yourselves to Adam." They prostrated (all) except Iblis (Satan), who refused. S. 20:116
(Remember) when your Lord said to the angels: "Truly, I am going to create man from clay". So when I have fashioned him and breathed into him (his) soul created by Me, then you fall down prostrate to him." So the angels prostrated themselves, all of them: Except Iblis (Satan) he was proud and was one of the disbelievers. S. 38:71-74
The natural reading of the above texts is to see Satan as an angel who refused to obey Allahs order to worship Adam. The following passage brings out this point even more clearly:
And surely, We created you (your father Adam) and then gave you shape (the noble shape of a human being), then We told the angels, "Prostrate to Adam", and they prostrated, except Iblis (Satan), he refused to be of those who prostrate.(Allah) said: "What prevented you (O Iblis) that you did not prostrate, when I commanded you?" Iblis said: "I am better than him (Adam), You created me from fire, and him You created from clay." S. 7:11-12
Allah asks Iblis why he didnt obey his instruction to the angels to prostrate to Adam, which presupposes that he was one of the angels. The text does not say that Allah commanded some other group along with the angels to worship Adam, and therefore makes no sense for Allah to hold Iblis accountable for not obeying a command that was given to them if he wasnt an angel.
No, SamBee.

I beg to disagree. Look for another verse, please. That verse clearly says shows that he was from the Jinns.

I will not cite the verse now, as I have asked Colonna to study the Qur'aan more to find out the verse.

Satan was NOT an angel.

““You must not lose faith ”

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#158401 Jan 11, 2013
SamBee wrote:
<quoted text>
Edom is Rome Esau's grandsons Teman became the Germans and Zepho became the Greeks.
Esau was of the Adamic race, he committed genocide against his posterity by marrying into the Canaanite bloodline. Genesis 36:8 says, "Esau is Edom" and the Jewish Encyclopedia acknowledges that "Edom is in Modern Jewry". Their 1905 edition thus describes the connection between modern day Jews and the race of Edom:
"Some anthropologists are inclined to associate the racial origins of the Jews, not with the Semites, whose language they adopted, but with the Armenians and Hittites of Mesopotamia, whose broad skulls and curved noses they appear to have inherited" (Vol. X, p. 284).
I noticed i'm not the only one that's a bit fed up with this treife.
Geneticists no longer think in trees, but allready find connections that criss-cross everywhere. The genetic bush so to say. Which shows far better how people traveled and what their connection was.
But here i always come upon Sambee and this continous speculation that no rational study could ever endorse.(Not even an explanation. I'll bet that the old book did print a by your leave and stated that this was speculation.)
Though some really old links and plays on words that are not processed.
Seir as in mount seir was not a giant but could mean song or mountain-man. Or the queen of one of the tribes that once moved to the region of mnt. Seir.
Obed-destruction. Jesse-Isai with the connotation Esau.
a.s.o.

““You must not lose faith ”

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#158402 Jan 11, 2013
MAAT wrote:
<quoted text>
otherwise is must write it as: diiux or dzux, which would both not represent the sound.
Romans (thanks Buford) would make -ii sound like | j|.
It's nothing to do with how jews named or precieved themselves.
(has anything ever since christianity became the vogue)
dijux does remind one of the french dieu.
So now i wonder where dios, dieu and so on found their origin.

If the myth went theat the jews, particularly 'jesus'was the god man, or god people, we could see this etymology making sense.
hmm i foresee another long study as in the first mention of the french dieu and it's context.

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#158406 Jan 11, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
How come you could not find the verse, which says that Iblis was of the Jinns or from the Jinns?
Try again and keep reading.!
I was trying to not humiliate you by exposing another contradiction and absurdity from Quran, but if you insist...

Quran 7:11

And We have certainly created you,[O Mankind], and given you [human] form. Then We said to the angels, "Prostrate to Adam"; so they prostrated, except for Iblees. He was not of those who prostrated.

It implies Iblis was an angel, being the order given to angels.

Quran 18:50 says Iblis is a jinn, which automatically contradict Quran 7:11

And [mention] when We said to the angels, "Prostrate to Adam," and they prostrated, except for Iblees. He was of the jinn and departed from the command of his Lord. Then will you take him and his descendants as allies other than Me while they are enemies to you? Wretched it is for the wrongdoers as an exchange.

We have some problems now:

1)Satan is an angel and therefore not a jinn

2) Or he is a jinn and therefore not an angel, which makes Allah unjust for blaming him for not obeying a command given to the angels and not to the jinn.

Let us see how you will come out from this mess
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#158407 Jan 11, 2013
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
<quoted text>
Quran was originally written in a Arabic dialect, and in modern time it was translated into many languages by many muslim scholars.
When one comes to see how a specific verse is translated in a specific English, say English, one can note sometimes that certain words are translated with a word and in another translation made by another scholar are translated with different words.
How does one know that that specific word should be understood with a word rather than another of different meaning? It's all arbitrary.
I guess you can add Arabic as one of those languages UNFIT and POOR for a scripture.
What is the criterion for a certain language to be FIT for scripture?

And which is the language, which can be translated by a SINGLE word into another language?

Have you opened ANY English dictionary? Did you not find one word having So Many Different meanings? Is there a SINGLE English word that has only ONE meaning?

So why only Arabic should be exempt from this?

Arabic is a fully developed language and was when the Quran was being revealed. I doubt if the lofty thoughts of Quran could be expressed in any other language of the world than Arabic!!

There are many Arabic words that CANNOT be translated by a single English word. Like the word TAHARA? There is no single English word to translate it!!

Now coming to translation of Quran into English or any other language, when Translators do their job, THEY pick up the most relevant word from the foreign language , which in THEIR mind is closest to the revealed Arabic word.

So it is the act of Translators and not from God, and depending on the knowledge and understanding of the translator, it could be correct or faulty.

And in case of any error or mistake it is the mistake of Translator and not Arabic language.

And Muslims always print Arabic original Quran side by side with the English Translation, so any one can cross check.

And Arabic is a Living language of the world, not a Dead language or a language which very few people speak, like Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic, or Sanskrit!!

Allah Knows Best.
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#158408 Jan 11, 2013
Excerpts from the Gospel of Barnabas, Part-30

Chapter 63 : Vengeance

After certain days Jesus passed near to a city of the Samaritans; and they would not let him enter the city, nor would they sell bread to his disciples. Wherefore said James and John: "Master, may it please you that we pray God that he send down fire from heaven upon these people?"

Jesus answered: "You know not by what spirit you are led, that you so speak.*Remember that God determined to destroy Nineveh because he did not find one who feared God in that city; the which was so wicked that God, having called Jonah ;the prophet to send him to that city, he would fain for fear of the people have fled to Tarsus;, wherefore God caused him to be cast into the sea, and received by a fish and cast up near to Nineveh. And he preaching there, that people was converted to repentance, so that God had mercy on them.

Chapter 64 : Who is your enemy?

"Tell me, O man, who is your enemy? Assuredly your body, and every one who praises you. Wherefore if you were of sane mind you would kiss the hand of those who revile you, and present gifts to those who persecute you and strike you much; because, O man because the more that for your sins you are reviled and persecuted in this life the less shall you be in the day of judgment.

But tell me, O man, if the saints and prophets of God have been persecuted and defamed by the world even though they were innocent, what shall be da one to you, O sinner? and if they endured all with patience, praying for their persecutors, what shouldst you do, O man, who are worthy of hell?

Assuredly not a leaf stirs without the will of God. Wherefore, when you are in tribulation do not think of how much you have borne, nor of him who afflicts you; but consider how much for your sins you are worthy to receive at the hand of the devils of hell. You are angry with this city because it would not receive us, nor sell bread to us. Tell me, are these people your slaves?

have you given them this city? have you given them their corn? or have you helped them to reap it? Assuredly no; for you are strangers in this land, and poor men. What thing is this then that you say?" The two disciples answered: "Lord, we have sinned; may God have mercy on us." And Jesus answered: "So be it."
Note: Beautiful Preaching indeed (MUQ)

(Abridged)
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#158409 Jan 11, 2013
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
<quoted text>
I was trying to not humiliate you by exposing another contradiction and absurdity from Quran, but if you insist...
Quran 7:11
And We have certainly created you,[O Mankind], and given you [human] form. Then We said to the angels, "Prostrate to Adam"; so they prostrated, except for Iblees. He was not of those who prostrated.
It implies Iblis was an angel, being the order given to angels.
Quran 18:50 says Iblis is a jinn, which automatically contradict Quran 7:11
And [mention] when We said to the angels, "Prostrate to Adam," and they prostrated, except for Iblees. He was of the jinn and departed from the command of his Lord. Then will you take him and his descendants as allies other than Me while they are enemies to you? Wretched it is for the wrongdoers as an exchange.
We have some problems now:
1)Satan is an angel and therefore not a jinn
2) Or he is a jinn and therefore not an angel, which makes Allah unjust for blaming him for not obeying a command given to the angels and not to the jinn.
Let us see how you will come out from this mess
Read the whole Qur'aan, ignorant fool. Satan was also there besides the angels.

18:50 DOES NOT imply. Only ignorant fools imply.

Cheers

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