Who Is Allah?

[HughBe]

Eric wrote:

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only in your mind

If you say so.

[Buford]

HughBe wrote:

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They were either DECEIVED fools or CORRUPT men. Nowhere in the NT does it promote the enslavement of people.
Where the Spirit of the Lord is there is LIBERTY. Even in your passage LIBERTY is there. "thou shouldest receive him for ever;
16 Not now as a servant, but above a servant, a brother beloved"
Was Jesus' disciples His SLAVES?
"Henceforth I call you not servants/DOULOS(or the same word that your translation calls SLAVE); for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you"

Well, now you know why Christianity eventually found slavery repugnant, in the same way that it found anti-Jewish sentiment repugnant, after CENTURIES of getting it wrong and at the cost of MILLIONS of lives.

[HughBe]

Buford wrote:

<quoted text>Well, now you know why Christianity eventually found slavery repugnant, in the same way that it found anti-Jewish sentiment repugnant, after CENTURIES of getting it wrong and at the cost of MILLIONS of lives.

Hopefully, Jesus, Paul, Peter etc and the early Christians were not anti-Jewish given that they were Jews and that Christianity was known as a Jewish sect for centuries.

Hopefully, Judaites or members of Judaism are no longer anti-Christians and anti-Jews who believe in Jesus, the Jews, as the Judaites certainly got it wrong in persecuting the early Christians starting from the time of Jesus.

Finally, "thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them(Israel), and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree"

[HughBe]

Eric wrote:

your "mind"; a vast wasteland.

and your "mind" is a VAST WASTE product.

[HughBe]

Buford wrote:

<quoted text>Well, now you know why Christianity eventually found slavery repugnant, in the same way that it found anti-Jewish sentiment repugnant, after CENTURIES of getting it wrong and at the cost of MILLIONS of lives.

Please answer my question. Were Jesus' disciples His SLAVES?

[HughBe]

Good night to everyone.

[bmz]

HughBe wrote:

Good night to everyone.

Your questions will never be answered.

Good night, HughBe. Will write later.

[bmz]

Buford wrote:

<quoted text>Well, now you know why Christianity eventually found slavery repugnant, in the same way that it found anti-Jewish sentiment repugnant, after CENTURIES of getting it wrong and at the cost of MILLIONS of lives.

A quick one, Buford

And after another century or two, it it will find itself totally wrong and would disband itself.

[Frijoles]

HughBe wrote:

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Help:I take it that in your mind scriptures are ONLY written as in your post above and as such I now say to you that you should take the English version and wipe you know where with it.

again, very weird response from someone who professes to honor the their scriptures and follows them.

[Frijoles]

HughBe wrote:

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Eric---His response proves that he really didn't want an answer. He sought only to ridicule.
Eric---The only true way to understand scripture is to read it in its original form and interpret it for oneself
HughBe--- How in the name of Jesus can YOU honestly make your first comment above when YOU know that I do not know Hebrew or any other language except English?

So instead you make toilet reference?

Eric is correct. You didnt desire an answer. You were looking for a response, aby response, so that you could move on with your preconceived argument.

Eric knew that. Not only was he correct, but he as being clever. Very clever.

Your response? "Wipe my butt?"???

Speaking of your studies into truth - How is that book I sent you the link to? Have you finished the first chapter yet? Do you know the aleph bet yet?

[rabbee yehoshooah adam]

Alex123 aka WM wrote:

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hey madass...stop cursing others.
Karma bites you in your back ....

rabbee: well all you gravy sucking, back biters can try.

[Buford]

HughBe wrote:

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Please answer my question. Were Jesus' disciples His SLAVES?

No.

[uhuh]

HughBe wrote:

slavery in the Tanach,
Exodus 21:20 If a man bludgeon his slave with a rod, and he dies; he shall be surely punished.
21 Otherwise, if he continues to live afterward a day or two, he shall not be punished; for he is his possession.

ouch! that would be a gentile slave under his Jewish master
different sets of law apply to eved Ivri and eved Canaani,

a Hebrew slave is freed after 6 years, after his debts were paid off, or on Jubilee, whichever comes first
negative mitzvah #257: "We are forbidden from giving a Jewish slave degrading and humiliating work, as a Canaani slave would do" (Sefer ha-Mitzvot)
harsh treatment is forbidden toward fellow Hebrews (Lev 25:46),

in contrast, a Canaani slave is a permanent possession, freed only if maimed by his master (as a result of the daily beatings)(Exo 21:26, 25:44)

[Buford]

Paul's Letter to Philemon, Greek Text – Westcott-Hort, Interlinear English -
G.T.Emery
http://www.charism.info/greek/Philemon.pdf

vss. 15-16 Perhaps for because of this he departed for a time, so that eternally him you should receive, no longer as a slave but above a slave, a brother beloved, most of all to me, how great but more to you both in flesh and in Lord.

[Buford]

Doulos
http://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/greek...

Definition

a slave, bondman, man of servile condition

a slave metaph, one who gives himself up to another's will those whose service is used by Christ in extending and advancing his cause among men, devoted to another to the disregard of one's own interests

a servant, attendant

NAS Word Usage - Total: 141

bond-servant 11, bond-servants 12, bondslave 3, bondslaves 8, both men and women 8, servants 1, slave 58, slave's 1, slaves 39

[uhuh]

Buford wrote:

now you know why Christianity eventually found slavery repugnant, in the same way that it found anti-Jewish sentiment repugnant, after CENTURIES of getting it wrong

interesting take
why didn't Jesus, the apostles and church fathers find slavery and anti-Jewish sentiment repugnant? why must it happen eventually, after they were gone? by right, their version of Christianity should be the most ideal

because it was NOT Christianity that "found slavery and anti-Jewish sentiment repugnant"?
the eventual enlightenment came IN SPITE of Christianity

[Buford]

uhuh wrote:

interesting take
why didn't Jesus, the apostles and church fathers find slavery and anti-Jewish sentiment repugnant? why must it happen eventually, after they were gone? by right, their version of Christianity should be the most ideal
because it was NOT Christianity that "found slavery and anti-Jewish sentiment repugnant"?
the eventual enlightenment came IN SPITE of Christianity

Like Christianity, Judaism is also informed and changed by its surrounding culture, no? Maybe it was inevitable, but imo the worst thing that could have happened to Christianity was when it became the official religion of Rome.

[Frijoles]

uhuh wrote:

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ouch! that would be a gentile slave under his Jewish master
different sets of law apply to eved Ivri and eved Canaani,
a Hebrew slave is freed after 6 years, after his debts were paid off, or on Jubilee, whichever comes first
negative mitzvah #257: "We are forbidden from giving a Jewish slave degrading and humiliating work, as a Canaani slave would do" (Sefer ha-Mitzvot)
harsh treatment is forbidden toward fellow Hebrews (Lev 25:46),
in contrast, a Canaani slave is a permanent possession, freed only if maimed by his master (as a result of the daily beatings)(Exo 21:26, 25:44)

Keep in mind that Hughbe is a fundamentalist Christian with limited ability to perform biblical exegesis, and more significantly, he strongly does not believe in the interpretation and guidance of the sefer hamitzvot.

[LOL]

Bunch of brain washed pigs!

Religion is aload of crap

[HughBe]

Buford wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/ religions/islam/history/slaver y_1.shtml
Excerpt:
The legality of slavery in Islam, together with the example of the Prophet Muhammad, who himself bought, sold, captured, and owned slaves, may explain why slavery persisted until the 19th century in many places (and later still in some countries). The impetus for the abolition of slavery came largely from colonial powers, although some Muslim thinkers argued strongly for abolition.
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I can't help wondering if those Muslim thinkers who argued strongly THEN for abolition of slavery would TODAY be condemned as heretics and apostates and be subject to all manner of abuse and even death fatwas?

Buford---The legality of slavery in Islam, together with the example of the Prophet Muhammad, who himself bought, sold, captured, and owned slaves, may explain why slavery persisted until the 19th century in many places (and later still in some countries). The impetus for the abolition of slavery came largely from colonial powers, although some Muslim thinkers argued strongly for abolition.

HughBe--- The CORRUPT teaching,CURSE OF HAM, of rabbis or the gods of Judaism explains the role of Jews in SLAVERY.

Of course, I expect Frijoles and company to deny both the CURSE of HAM doctrine of the Talmud or rabbinic teachings as well as the involvement of Jews in slavery. I have learnt about their manner.

The fact is Slavery has been practiced by virtually all peoples of the world and there are no VIRGINS there are certainly DECEIVERS but no VIRGINS.