Who Is Allah?

Who Is Allah?

There are 230611 comments on the The Brussels Journal story from Aug 24, 2007, titled Who Is Allah?. In it, The Brussels Journal reports that:

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

Join the discussion below, or Read more at The Brussels Journal.

Buford

Hurricane, WV

#157849 Jan 7, 2013
HughBe wrote:
Please CORRECT my errors below or desist with your nonsense.
Classic HughBe!
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#157850 Jan 7, 2013
HughBe wrote:
3. Would YOU be going to a FAR country and leave your SLAVES in charge of your affairs?
Hell yes I would! Furthermore, I would expect my slaves to not only carry out my specific orders to the letter, but to even show clever initiative, so that when I returned and asked for an accounting of their stewardship, they could show that they had done above and beyond all that I had rightly expected of them. To these I would say, "Well done, thou good and faithful SLAVE."

You already know the rest of the story.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#157851 Jan 7, 2013
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>
Hell yes I would! Furthermore, I would expect my slaves to not only carry out my specific orders to the letter, but to even show clever initiative, so that when I returned and asked for an accounting of their stewardship, they could show that they had done above and beyond all that I had rightly expected of them. To these I would say, "Well done, thou good and faithful SLAVE."
You already know the rest of the story.
chuckle
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#157852 Jan 7, 2013
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>Cut the BS. If you don't advocate against it, you send the message that there is nothing wrong with it. If you tell the enslaved to obey their masters as G-d, you are telling the masters what they are doing is ok. If you send a slave back to his master, you are supporting the institution of slavery (btw, returning an escaped slave is contrary to the mitzvot).
Again get help in understanding OUR scriptures.

I spoke about PROMOTING and ADVOCATING slavery and no honest/semi-intelligent person will say that the passages in question are doing either the first or the latter one.

It takes a special species like you to twist and to PROMOTE such BS.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#157853 Jan 7, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
You are a Christian fundamentalist. You might not call yourself that, but your behavior is that of one.
Dont shoot the messenger.
Once again, I have NEVER called myself that. Are YOU "incapable of even that attempt of RESPECT" dear Judaite?

Tell me this ass rump, do you understand my words above? Do you understand your own words, rumpy?

If you or anyone persist with the disrespect I shall give you your wages.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#157854 Jan 7, 2013
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>Who decides whether the Greek word that is transliterated as "doulos" should be understood to mean "servant" as opposed to "slave?"
1.The law of probability i.e. the word is translated as SERVANT 120 times in the KJV and only 6 times as bond and 1 time as bondman?

2. KJV translates it as SERVANT and not HughBe. "Not now as a servant, but above a servant, a brother beloved"

3. The members of the Church tended to be POOR and so were NOT in a position to OWN slaves. Paul the Pharisee, did not live the life of luxury that he lived prior to accepting Jesus as his Messiah.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#157855 Jan 7, 2013
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>
Hell yes I would! Furthermore, I would expect my slaves to not only carry out my specific orders to the letter, but to even show clever initiative, so that when I returned and asked for an accounting of their stewardship, they could show that they had done above and beyond all that I had rightly expected of them. To these I would say, "Well done, thou good and faithful SLAVE."
You already know the rest of the story.
HughBe---Would YOU be going to a FAR country and leave your SLAVES in charge of your affairs?

Buford---Hell yes I would!

HughBe--- There is no need for me to read beyond those opening words. You are indeed SPECIAL, my dear Buford.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#157856 Jan 7, 2013
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>
Classic HughBe!
Here they are again.

Please CORRECT my errors below or desist with your nonsense.

1.Are you aware that the word is translated as SERVANT 120 times in the KJV and only 6 times as bond and 1 time as bondman?

2. Jesus called his disciples SLAVES based on your argument.

"Henceforth I call you not servants/DOULOS(or the same word that your translation calls SLAVE); for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#157857 Jan 7, 2013
Post 157735

HughBe---
1.Christians have done evil to others and to their fellow Christians.

2. Others who appear or make out themselves to be virgins have also done great evil. One example is their involvement in the African slave trade and the rape, oppression etc. of Africans and their descendants.

3. Let us FORGIVE and move on.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#157858 Jan 7, 2013
HughBe---The fact is Slavery has been practiced by virtually all peoples of the world and there are no VIRGINS there are certainly DECEIVERS but no VIRGINS.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#157860 Jan 7, 2013
Buford --Who decides whether the Greek word that is transliterated as "doulos" should be understood to mean "servant" as opposed to "slave?"

HughBe--1.The law of probability i.e. the word is translated as SERVANT 120 times in the KJV and only 6 times as bond and 1 time as bondman?

2. KJV translates it as SERVANT and not HughBe. "Not now as a servant, but above a servant, a brother beloved"

3. The members of the Church tended to be POOR and so were NOT in a position to OWN slaves. Paul the Pharisee, did not live the life of luxury that he lived prior to accepting Jesus as his Messiah.

4. FINALLY and most importantly the NT does NOT support the enslavement of people and that is a FACT.

What it does is to speak to CONDUCT/relationship on both sides where slavery exists or master servant relationships exists. So even if you want to use SLAVE in your passage note what it says "Not now as a servant/SLAVE, but ABOVE a servant/SLAVE, a brother beloved"

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#157861 Jan 7, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Once again, I have NEVER called myself that. Are YOU "incapable of even that attempt of RESPECT" dear Judaite?
Tell me this ass rump, do you understand my words above? Do you understand your own words, rumpy?
If you or anyone persist with the disrespect I shall give you your wages.
Actions speak louder than words - you ACT like a fundamentalist Christian acts

Respect??- from someone who calls me a Judaite?

Shak li b'tahat!
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#157862 Jan 7, 2013
good night and tomorrow I shall share the Judaic role in African slave trade or the role of Judahites in Slavery.
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#157864 Jan 7, 2013
HughBe wrote:
good night and tomorrow I shall share the Judaic role in African slave trade or the role of Judahites in Slavery.
To prove what? That you are right to despise "Judahites?"

What is your African name? I mean, what was your family name before your ancestor was bought and renamed?
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#157868 Jan 7, 2013
Buford wrote:
What is your African name? I mean, what was your family name before your ancestor was bought and renamed?
That was rude!

Must have been Jesus. Full name could have been Jesus Ben Abba.

And don't tell me that all slaves sold, auctioned and bought in America and Europe, were Muslims. OK?

Thanks!
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#157869 Jan 7, 2013
HughBe wrote:
good night and tomorrow I shall share the Judaic role in African slave trade or the role of Judahites in Slavery.
Dear HughBe,

Have a good night, my dear friend.

A humble request.

Please use the word Jew. And you might consider using "Role of the Jews in African slave trade" and go on elaborating.

Will greatly appreciate that.

Thanks and regards
BMZ
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#157870 Jan 7, 2013
HughBe wrote:
HughBe---The fact is Slavery has been practiced by virtually all peoples of the world and there are no VIRGINS there are certainly DECEIVERS but no VIRGINS.
Indeed, slavery was practiced by all nations.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#157871 Jan 7, 2013
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>Who decides whether the Greek word that is transliterated as "doulos" should be understood to mean "servant" as opposed to "slave?"
Now, you can see why I always consider Greek language UNFIT and POOR for a scripture.
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#157875 Jan 8, 2013
bmz wrote:
That was rude!!
Braindead Muslim Zealot,

It was an academic question. HughBe is black, and lives in Jamaica. Chances are that he's a descendant of a slave or of slaves who arrived centuries ago by boat, not that Ancestry.com would help in his case.
bmz wrote:
Must have been Jesus. Full name could have been Jesus Ben Abba.
Jesus ben Joseph.
bmz wrote:
And don't tell me that all slaves sold, auctioned and bought in America and Europe, were Muslims. OK?
Thanks
Who ever said that all or even any of the SLAVES out of Africa were Muslim? Muslims were more often than not the slave TRADERS.

See: The Arab Muslim Slave Trade Of Africans, The Untold Story
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#157876 Jan 8, 2013
My dear Buford, I find your approach on the matter of slavery to be unbalanced and bizarre and indeed it cast very serious doubts about your claim to be associated with Christianity.

Someone with Christian roots like you and someone that started training to be a Christian priest should exhibit far more objectivity than you do. What I see based on when I entered the exchanges are bias, cover-up and nastiness.

Your words tell me that you are a Judahite and NOT a Christian as you are willing to criticize Christianity and Islam but not Judaism. I am not aware of any criticism of Judaism on your part and your current words which follow only reinforces my point.

Why are you so anti-Islam? What have the Muslims done to you, Buford?

Follow closely and see your wretched self. Note the post numbers as they give the chronology.

Post 157735--

Buford --What is clear to me is that Braindead Muslim Zealot (bmz) MUST attack "biblical Jesus" as a way of deflecting critical attention away from the amply-documented-by-MUSLIMS murderous and thieving and enslaving ways of his preferred "prophet" Mohammad.

HughBe--- Christians have done evil to others and to their fellow Christians.
Others who appear or make out themselves to be virgins have also done great evil.

Let us FORGIVE and move on.

(I HughBe introduced or pointed out that Christians have done EVIL when YOUR focus was on Muslims)

Post157743

Christians were involved in the African slave trade based on what they knew from Paul and his advice to Philemon, but the very idea of one human owning another eventually became repugnant. Muslims have also been involved in the African slave trade, based on what they knew from Mohammad's own enslavements of captives from his myriad attacks on "disbelievers," but the idea of Muslims owning "disbelievers" never became repugnant to Muslims; it became unfeasible in the face of western Christian opposition.

(HughBe- note your approach you speak about Christians and Muslims.)

Post 157750

HughBe---Christians were NOT the only ones who were involved in the African slave trade.

Buford---YOU did not respond directly to that point but in 157753 you said "The legality of slavery in Islam, together with the example of the Prophet Muhammad, who himself bought, sold, captured, and owned slaves, may explain why slavery persisted until the 19th century in many place"

(Again your OBSESSION and unbalanced approach with respect to Islam. My post was not about Islam YOU went back to it)

Post 157772

Buford --You asked me to "Share the words of Paul that you speak of," and I posted the link to Phileomon. If you can't figure out the SLAVERY angle, then I can't help you, but I will give you a big hint: see vss. 15 and 16!

HughBe---Are you aware that the word is translated as SERVANT 120 times in the KJV and only 6 times as bond and 1 time as bondman?

Slavery is NOT being promoted.

157777

Buford--(the former Christian) The FACT of the matter is that for centuries Christians saw no problem at all with slavery and referred to Phileomon as justification.

(So this Christian/Buford has no problem pointing out the EVIL ways of Christians and Muslims but not Judahites. Why?)

To now because space is limited.

Post 157864

HughBe--good night and tomorrow I shall share the Judaic role in African slave trade or the role of Judahites in Slavery.

Buford--To prove what? That you are right to despise "Judahites?"
What is your African name? I mean, what was your family name before your ancestor was bought and renamed?

(Note this Christian response to the idea that I shall show the Judaic role in African Slave Trade. Note the MOCK,"What is your African name etc". How does that fit in. I have NEVER thought about the name of my African ancestors. But alas RACISM and anti-blacks sentiments have to surface out of this "Christian". I think the chap is a Judahite.)

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