Who Is Allah?

Aug 24, 2007 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Brussels Journal

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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Meanwhile...
Outrage After Google Image Reveals Star of David on Roof of Iran Airport
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/star-david-r...
By KI MAE HEUSSNER and NED POTTER
12/2/10, 7:12 PM EST
Iranian officials reportedly are outraged after learning that a Google Earth satellite image revealed a star of David emblazoned atop the roof of the Tehran airport.
According to Arabic language news outlet Al Arabiya, national leaders called for the immediate removal of the Zionist symbol after it was discovered on top of the main building of Iran Air.
Although Israel and Iran broke ties more than 30 years ago, Al Arabiya reported that the Iran Air building was built by Israeli engineers before the Islamic Revolution in 1979. Citing local reports, it also said that not only did the Iranian government hire Israeli engineers to build the airliner's headquarters, it also scheduled regular flights between the two countries.
Here's the pic: http://a.abcnews.com/images/Technology/ht_ira...
Thank you for the news. Please let us know when the star has been removed.

The Israelis did not divide Iran's garments and did not cast any lot. It was a contract to build, so there was no looting and dividing of Iranian garments.

No one lost his pants.
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I have absolutely no clue as to who wrote biographies on Mo prior to Ishaq. However, lets for a minute agree that Ishaq was a liar, why then would you believe those imaginary pre-Ishaq scholars of yours since you reject everything outside the Koran?
How can you verify that what they have written is true?
I am still waiting for you to provide names & books of those illusionary scholars of yours. I bet you have none.
Looking forward to your response.
I have the names and I have already told you that I will not give the names.

I want you to do some research. My point was that the history of Islam and the Prophet did not come only from Ibn Asshaq 130 years later, as suggested by you.

It is so silly to suggest that. Go and study.
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The Life of Muhammad:
An Inconvenient Truth
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/histo...

Timeline of Muhammad's Life (A.D)

570 - Born in Mecca
576 - Orphaned upon death of mother
595 - Marries Kadijah - older, wealthy widow
610 - Reports first revelations from angel at age of 40
619 - Protector uncle dies
622 - Emigrates from Mecca to Medina (the Hijra)
623 - Orders raids on Meccan caravans
624 - Battle of Badr (victory)
624 - Evicts Qaynuqa Jews from Medina
624 - Orders the assassination of Abu Afak
624 - Orders the assassination of Asma bint Marwan
624 - Orders the assassination of Ka'b al-Ashraf
625 - Battle of Uhud (defeat)
625 - Evicts Nadir Jews
627 - Battle of the Trench (victory)
627 - Massacre of the Qurayza Jews
628 - Signing of the Treaty of Hudaibiya with Mecca
628 - Destruction and subjugation of the Khaybar Jews
629 - Orders first raid into Christian lands at Muta (defeat)
630 - Conquers Mecca by surprise (along with other tribes)
631 - Leads second raid into Christian territory at Tabuk (no battle)
632 - Dies

What if a man you knew began telling people that God was routinely speaking to him and only him - and that the "revelations" he claimed to be receiving were mostly about him and his relative importance to all other people? Say, for example, that this self-proclaimed prophet insisted that God had declared him to be the 'perfect example' for mankind and that others were therefore to accord him with special privilege, unwavering obedience, wealth and earthly desires, including all of the slaves and women that his lust could handle.

Such figures still arise from time to time. Some of the more dynamic manage to develop a small group of followers so taken with their leader's self assurance that they willingly offer their own children to him for "marriage" or even kill on his behalf if requested.

Would it really validate the message of any such cult leader if his followers did successfully kill and seize the property of anyone who dared disagree? What if they gradually expanded their power and numbers in such fashion that eventually they were enough to be recognized as a major world religion? Would that make the cult leader's claims about himself true? Would it really change the fact that what they believe ultimately sprang from the imagination of a narcissist?

In 610, an Arab salesman with a commanding personality attracted a small cult of credulous fanatics by claiming to be a prophet. Though his "revelations" were self-referential and occasionally contradicting, he was successful in manipulating his followers with promises of heavenly reward and threat of divine wrath. The god heard only by him told them to lie and steal for him, to give their children to him for sexual pleasure and, eventually, to gruesomely murder his detractors.

There are two ways to approach a study of Muhammad. One is with reverence and the other is with skepticism. Thinking persons choose they latter. They are not influenced by the number of Muslim believers in the world today or by their force of belief because these are meaningless for determining truth. They care only about fact.
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I like Nathanels idea - its particularism - the idea would be that Islam is for the Arabs only, and leave the rest of us the F alone.
It also allows for other religions - with the same caveat.
nah, Nethanel was rather the exception, he was inclined toward karaites
the rabbanite view is that there was, and will be no prophets coming from gentiles, YHWH forbids

"Job could not have been a gentile prophet. How could the shechinah rest upon a gentile seeing that Moses prayed that it should not rest upon them, and God granted his request as Scripture says 'We have been distinguished -I and Thy people- from all the people who are on the face of the earth'(Exo 33:16)" (Baba Bathra 15b)
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<quoted text>Naturally, Jew hater that I am, I prefer Maimonides to Nathanel, even though Maimonides thought that Jesus was insane.
Maimonides called Muhammad a meshuggah, that's it
but he said much more of Jesus (because Jews don't think much of him? lol)

"In the case of Jewish moserim, minim and apikorsim, it is a mitzvah to kill them with our own hands for they distress Israel and prevent the people from going in the way of the Lord [such as Yeshua ha-Notzri and his followers and Tzadok and Baytus and their followers (Sadducees and Boethusians)-may the name of the wicked rot]" (MT, Hilchot Avodah Kochavim 10:1)[...] only in manuscripts, not to be found in printed copies

here he called Jesus a Jewish moser (traitor), min (apostate), and apikoros (heretic)
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"Yeshua ha-Notzri who aspired to be the messiah and was executed by beit din was prophesied by Daniel,'The renegades among your people shall exalt themselves to fulfill the vision, but they shall stumble'. Can there be a greater stumble than him? All the prophets spoke of the messiah who would gather the dispersed and fulfill the mitzvot. Instead he and his followers caused the Jews to be slain by the sword, their remnants to be scattered and humiliated, the Torah to be altered, and the majority of the world to err and serve a god other than the Lord" (MT, Hilchot Melachim 11:4)

he viewed Jesus as the mesit (enticer/seducer to idolatry) in Deut 13
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"Yeshua ha-Notzri -may his bones erode- the mamzer stirred our people into believing that he was a prophet sent by God to clarify perplexities in the Torah and to re-interpret the Law. The sages -of blessed memory- having become aware of his plans meted out fitting punishment to him before his reputation spread. He was overpowered and put a stop to by us when he fell into our hands, and his fate is well known" (Iggeret Teman)

to reinterpret the rabbinical Law is a no-no
that's why Maimonides said that Jesus the mamzer got what he deserved
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nah, Nethanel was rather the exception, he was inclined toward karaites
the rabbanite view is that there was, and will be no prophets coming from gentiles, YHWH forbids
"Job could not have been a gentile prophet. How could the shechinah rest upon a gentile seeing that Moses prayed that it should not rest upon them, and God granted his request as Scripture says 'We have been distinguished -I and Thy people- from all the people who are on the face of the earth'(Exo 33:16)" (Baba Bathra 15b)
First off, we were not discussing the "rabbinate" we were discussing our personal views

Secondly, I am not even convinced you are correct
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Maimonides called Muhammad a meshuggah, that's it
but he said much more of Jesus (because Jews don't think much of him? lol)
"In the case of Jewish moserim, minim and apikorsim, it is a mitzvah to kill them with our own hands for they distress Israel and prevent the people from going in the way of the Lord [such as Yeshua ha-Notzri and his followers and Tzadok and Baytus and their followers (Sadducees and Boethusians)-may the name of the wicked rot]" (MT, Hilchot Avodah Kochavim 10:1)[...] only in manuscripts, not to be found in printed copies
here he called Jesus a Jewish moser (traitor), min (apostate), and apikoros (heretic)
All of that above was conceieved after the fact - i.e. it was not conceived during the actual time of Jesus.

Considering the era of friction that he was writing in, I am not suprised he wrote that. Consider the context.
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Maimonides called Muhammad a meshuggah, that's it
but he said much more of Jesus (because Jews don't think much of him? lol)
"In the case of Jewish moserim, minim and apikorsim, it is a mitzvah to kill them with our own hands for they distress Israel and prevent the people from going in the way of the Lord [such as Yeshua ha-Notzri and his followers and Tzadok and Baytus and their followers (Sadducees and Boethusians)-may the name of the wicked rot]" (MT, Hilchot Avodah Kochavim 10:1)[...] only in manuscripts, not to be found in printed copies
here he called Jesus a Jewish moser (traitor), min (apostate), and apikoros (heretic)
rabbee: if you have a choice, of being called a traitor to the jewish* the christian people, or the muslem people, or the world. or being a traitor to G-D, which would you choose? which would you, choose? when there has never been, anything right about the sanity of this world.
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uhuh wrote:
"Yeshua ha-Notzri -may his bones erode- the mamzer stirred our people into believing that he was a prophet sent by God to clarify perplexities in the Torah and to re-interpret the Law. The sages -of blessed memory- having become aware of his plans meted out fitting punishment to him before his reputation spread. He was overpowered and put a stop to by us when he fell into our hands, and his fate is well known" (Iggeret Teman)
to reinterpret the rabbinical Law is a no-no
that's why Maimonides said that Jesus the mamzer got what he deserved
I get the feeling you believe in a historically rooted frozen version of Judaism. From the middle ages.

However, out of curiosity, do you currently practice any form of Judaism?

Or do you just enjoy taking historical potshots against it?
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the rabbanite view is that there was, and will be no prophets coming from gentiles, YHWH forbids
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I disagree

http://www.jewfaq.org/prophet.htm

What is a Prophet?

Many people today think of a prophet as any person who sees the future. While the gift of prophecy certainly includes the ability to see the future, a prophet is far more than just a person with that ability.

A prophet is basically a spokesman for G-d, a person chosen by G-d to speak to people on G-d's behalf and convey a message or teaching. Prophets were role models of holiness, scholarship and closeness to G-d. They set the standards for the entire community.

The Hebrew word for a prophet, navi (Nun-Beit-Yod-Alef) comes from the term niv sefatayim meaning "fruit of the lips," which emphasizes the prophet's role as a speaker.

The Talmud teaches that there were hundreds of thousands of prophets: twice as many as the number of people who left Egypt, which was 600,000. But most of the prophets conveyed messages that were intended solely for their own generation and were not reported in scripture. Scripture identifies only 55 prophets of Israel.

A prophet is not necessarily a man. Scripture records the stories of seven female prophets, listed below, and the Talmud reports that Sarah's prophetic ability was superior to Abraham's.

A prophet is not necessarily a Jew. The Talmud reports that there were prophets among the gentiles (most notably Balaam, whose story is told in Numbers 22), although they were not as elevated as the prophets of Israel (as the story of Balaam demonstrates). And some of the prophets, such as Jonah, were sent on missions to speak to the gentiles.

According to some views, prophecy is not a gift that is arbitrarily conferred upon people; rather, it is the culmination of a person's spiritual and ethical development. When a person reaches a sufficient level of spiritual and ethical achievement, the Shechinah (Divine Spirit) comes to rest upon him or her. Likewise, the gift of prophecy leaves the person if that person lapses from his or her spiritual and ethical perfection.

The greatest of the prophets was Moses. It is said that Moses saw all that all of the other prophets combined saw, and more. Moses saw the whole of the Torah, including the Prophets and the Writings that were written hundreds of years later. All subsequent prophecy was merely an expression of what Moses had already seen. Thus, it is taught that nothing in the Prophets or the Writings can be in conflict with Moses' writings, because Moses saw it all in advance.

The Talmud states that the writings of the prophets will not be necessary in the World to Come, because in that day, all people will be mentally, spiritually and ethically perfect, and all will have the gift of prophecy.
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nah, Nethanel was rather the exception, he was inclined toward karaites
Can you post any sources that support this (that he was inclined to a karaitic point of view)?

The guy was an obscure rabbi in an obscure closed kingdom. I would be suprised if there was any detailed volume of work about him.
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"Yeshua ha-Notzri -may his bones erode- the mamzer stirred our people into believing that he was a prophet sent by God to clarify perplexities in the Torah and to re-interpret the Law. The sages -of blessed memory- having become aware of his plans meted out fitting punishment to him before his reputation spread. He was overpowered and put a stop to by us when he fell into our hands, and his fate is well known" (Iggeret Teman)
to reinterpret the rabbinical Law is a no-no
that's why Maimonides said that Jesus the mamzer got what he deserved
rabbee: the only thing, unusual about Adam being put to death. and being returned, as adam and his mate. is that none of you all, believe it is all just in TheHappening again. how can even jews* only say they accept G-D and TheTorah. while actually denouncing the twice coming of Adam actually here in TheStory of Creation just again from G-D.

with all of you! trying to mentally change it. so as to mentally only look as if, it is not all actually happening again here in TheTorah. new testaments from other g-ds are nothing new, they have been having those, since the tower of babel. as you can see G-D'S reply, to their new testament also.

this without even mention of, the loss of two temples and dispersions because of their new testaments in the tanach and talmood. i just guess TheG-D of Only TheTorah, does not like any new testaments from other g-ds.

because if you keep, making up new testaments. your all totally missing out, the twice coming of Adam actually in TheHappening today.
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rabbee: if you have a choice, of being called a traitor to the jewish* the christian people, or the muslem people, or the world. or being a traitor to G-D, which would you choose? which would you, choose? when there has never been, anything right about the sanity of this world.
rabbee: there is nothing worse, according to G-D. than all the traitors against HIM, calling their Son Adam a traitor to their own eyes against G-D. and just who does G-D, always put in charge for the final day here in TheTorah actually happening? as you can all even insanely pretend, to be in charge then too. but you never have been, and you still won't be then. this world does no happen, the way any of you say. it always happens TheWay G-D, says in reply to your rebellious attitude avoiding being here in TheStory of Creation.
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the only thing this whole world is proved. is that not a one of you, believe G-D about this twice coming of THEIR Baby Adam, here in TheTorah actually happening again. and prophecy is made, easy as long as you can accept being here in TheTorah.

i have not only been appointed, Personally by G-D to speak for TheBoth of THEM. but i am also to be anointed, to be placed in charge of this whole world for TheSeventh Day, here in TheStory of Creation again. and this shall never change, here in TheStory of Creation.

and i can tell you all, exactly what happens. when G-D returns from TheDay of Rest totally pissed off because of all of you and your indoctrinated also talking grandcritters. so you all defiantly do not want for G-D, to take off for the day of rest in an angry mood thrice again.
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this whole world, has an antiG-D mental problem here in TheStory of Creation again. and the problem is, the whole world refuses to admit to there insane mentality.

since half of the problem, of having a problem, is being able to see and admit you all have an unhealty defiant mental condition.
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There are two ways to approach a study of Muhammad. One is with reverence and the other is with skepticism. Thinking persons choose they latter. They are not influenced by the number of Muslim believers in the world today or by their force of belief because these are meaningless for determining truth. They care only about fact.
That is why I, being a thinking person, chose Muhammad over the Biblical Jesus. The man himself was an skeptic and was also not so sure about himself.

He did not really have any clue about himself and would go and ask idiots to find who people thought he was, when he should have been the one to tell people, who he was. This shows a lack of self-confidence and a lack of self-esteem.

I am also not really influenced by the large number of ignorant fools, known as Christians, who also do not know who he really was. So, it appears to be the case of a blind Jesus, who led the blind and the clueless.

Here, I would like to stress that Jesus was a 29-30 years old young man, who could not convince men twice his age. Perhaps that was the main reason he failed to get any recognition.

Another important point is that he was not coherent. Thinking people want to hear a coherent person, who lays down everything straight. That is why thinking Christians are now grilling their own scripture and religion, which make no sense. They make fun of the doctrines fabricated and that thinking process is a sign of the Cult of Christianity going down the hill.

Muhammad was extremely coherent, reasoned with folks and convinced them. Muhammad talked only about God, while Jesus talked about the Father, as if he was his own father. That must have pissed off the thinking people.
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and this is the third time, this whole world and their grandmother. have all refused to believe, we are all here in TheStory of Creation just again from HaShem G-D.

and before this, there was another batch of talking critter idiots and their grandmother, making all the same mistakes, and expecting different results. precisely no different than you, have all errantly chosen to say. because you had rather all, speak for the same old devil than G-D.
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and this is the third time, this whole world and their grandmother. have all refused to believe, we are all here in TheStory of Creation just again from HaShem G-D.
and before this, there was another batch of talking critter idiots and their grandmother, making all the same mistakes, and expecting different results. precisely no different than you, have all errantly chosen to say. because you had rather all, speak for the same old devil than G-D.
Rabbee,

Do you have any place for this critter trinity, created by the subtle beasts of the fields, in your TheTorah? Please advise.

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