Who Is Allah?

Aug 24, 2007 Full story: The Brussels Journal 207,655

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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uhuh

Sevilla, Spain

#157183 Jan 2, 2013
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>Naturally, Jew hater that I am, I prefer Maimonides to Nathanel, even though Maimonides thought that Jesus was insane.
Maimonides called Muhammad a meshuggah, that's it
but he said much more of Jesus (because Jews don't think much of him? lol)

"In the case of Jewish moserim, minim and apikorsim, it is a mitzvah to kill them with our own hands for they distress Israel and prevent the people from going in the way of the Lord [such as Yeshua ha-Notzri and his followers and Tzadok and Baytus and their followers (Sadducees and Boethusians)-may the name of the wicked rot]" (MT, Hilchot Avodah Kochavim 10:1)[...] only in manuscripts, not to be found in printed copies

here he called Jesus a Jewish moser (traitor), min (apostate), and apikoros (heretic)
uhuh

Sevilla, Spain

#157184 Jan 2, 2013
"Yeshua ha-Notzri who aspired to be the messiah and was executed by beit din was prophesied by Daniel,'The renegades among your people shall exalt themselves to fulfill the vision, but they shall stumble'. Can there be a greater stumble than him? All the prophets spoke of the messiah who would gather the dispersed and fulfill the mitzvot. Instead he and his followers caused the Jews to be slain by the sword, their remnants to be scattered and humiliated, the Torah to be altered, and the majority of the world to err and serve a god other than the Lord" (MT, Hilchot Melachim 11:4)

he viewed Jesus as the mesit (enticer/seducer to idolatry) in Deut 13
uhuh

Sevilla, Spain

#157185 Jan 2, 2013
"Yeshua ha-Notzri -may his bones erode- the mamzer stirred our people into believing that he was a prophet sent by God to clarify perplexities in the Torah and to re-interpret the Law. The sages -of blessed memory- having become aware of his plans meted out fitting punishment to him before his reputation spread. He was overpowered and put a stop to by us when he fell into our hands, and his fate is well known" (Iggeret Teman)

to reinterpret the rabbinical Law is a no-no
that's why Maimonides said that Jesus the mamzer got what he deserved
Frijoles

Stamford, CT

#157186 Jan 2, 2013
uhuh wrote:
<quoted text>
nah, Nethanel was rather the exception, he was inclined toward karaites
the rabbanite view is that there was, and will be no prophets coming from gentiles, YHWH forbids
"Job could not have been a gentile prophet. How could the shechinah rest upon a gentile seeing that Moses prayed that it should not rest upon them, and God granted his request as Scripture says 'We have been distinguished -I and Thy people- from all the people who are on the face of the earth'(Exo 33:16)" (Baba Bathra 15b)
First off, we were not discussing the "rabbinate" we were discussing our personal views

Secondly, I am not even convinced you are correct
Frijoles

Stamford, CT

#157187 Jan 2, 2013
uhuh wrote:
<quoted text>
Maimonides called Muhammad a meshuggah, that's it
but he said much more of Jesus (because Jews don't think much of him? lol)
"In the case of Jewish moserim, minim and apikorsim, it is a mitzvah to kill them with our own hands for they distress Israel and prevent the people from going in the way of the Lord [such as Yeshua ha-Notzri and his followers and Tzadok and Baytus and their followers (Sadducees and Boethusians)-may the name of the wicked rot]" (MT, Hilchot Avodah Kochavim 10:1)[...] only in manuscripts, not to be found in printed copies
here he called Jesus a Jewish moser (traitor), min (apostate), and apikoros (heretic)
All of that above was conceieved after the fact - i.e. it was not conceived during the actual time of Jesus.

Considering the era of friction that he was writing in, I am not suprised he wrote that. Consider the context.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#157188 Jan 2, 2013
uhuh wrote:
<quoted text>
Maimonides called Muhammad a meshuggah, that's it
but he said much more of Jesus (because Jews don't think much of him? lol)
"In the case of Jewish moserim, minim and apikorsim, it is a mitzvah to kill them with our own hands for they distress Israel and prevent the people from going in the way of the Lord [such as Yeshua ha-Notzri and his followers and Tzadok and Baytus and their followers (Sadducees and Boethusians)-may the name of the wicked rot]" (MT, Hilchot Avodah Kochavim 10:1)[...] only in manuscripts, not to be found in printed copies
here he called Jesus a Jewish moser (traitor), min (apostate), and apikoros (heretic)
rabbee: if you have a choice, of being called a traitor to the jewish* the christian people, or the muslem people, or the world. or being a traitor to G-D, which would you choose? which would you, choose? when there has never been, anything right about the sanity of this world.
Frijoles

Stamford, CT

#157189 Jan 2, 2013
uhuh wrote:
"Yeshua ha-Notzri -may his bones erode- the mamzer stirred our people into believing that he was a prophet sent by God to clarify perplexities in the Torah and to re-interpret the Law. The sages -of blessed memory- having become aware of his plans meted out fitting punishment to him before his reputation spread. He was overpowered and put a stop to by us when he fell into our hands, and his fate is well known" (Iggeret Teman)
to reinterpret the rabbinical Law is a no-no
that's why Maimonides said that Jesus the mamzer got what he deserved
I get the feeling you believe in a historically rooted frozen version of Judaism. From the middle ages.

However, out of curiosity, do you currently practice any form of Judaism?

Or do you just enjoy taking historical potshots against it?
Frijoles

Stamford, CT

#157190 Jan 2, 2013
uhuh wrote:
<quoted text>
the rabbanite view is that there was, and will be no prophets coming from gentiles, YHWH forbids
)
I disagree

http://www.jewfaq.org/prophet.htm

What is a Prophet?

Many people today think of a prophet as any person who sees the future. While the gift of prophecy certainly includes the ability to see the future, a prophet is far more than just a person with that ability.

A prophet is basically a spokesman for G-d, a person chosen by G-d to speak to people on G-d's behalf and convey a message or teaching. Prophets were role models of holiness, scholarship and closeness to G-d. They set the standards for the entire community.

The Hebrew word for a prophet, navi (Nun-Beit-Yod-Alef) comes from the term niv sefatayim meaning "fruit of the lips," which emphasizes the prophet's role as a speaker.

The Talmud teaches that there were hundreds of thousands of prophets: twice as many as the number of people who left Egypt, which was 600,000. But most of the prophets conveyed messages that were intended solely for their own generation and were not reported in scripture. Scripture identifies only 55 prophets of Israel.

A prophet is not necessarily a man. Scripture records the stories of seven female prophets, listed below, and the Talmud reports that Sarah's prophetic ability was superior to Abraham's.

A prophet is not necessarily a Jew. The Talmud reports that there were prophets among the gentiles (most notably Balaam, whose story is told in Numbers 22), although they were not as elevated as the prophets of Israel (as the story of Balaam demonstrates). And some of the prophets, such as Jonah, were sent on missions to speak to the gentiles.

According to some views, prophecy is not a gift that is arbitrarily conferred upon people; rather, it is the culmination of a person's spiritual and ethical development. When a person reaches a sufficient level of spiritual and ethical achievement, the Shechinah (Divine Spirit) comes to rest upon him or her. Likewise, the gift of prophecy leaves the person if that person lapses from his or her spiritual and ethical perfection.

The greatest of the prophets was Moses. It is said that Moses saw all that all of the other prophets combined saw, and more. Moses saw the whole of the Torah, including the Prophets and the Writings that were written hundreds of years later. All subsequent prophecy was merely an expression of what Moses had already seen. Thus, it is taught that nothing in the Prophets or the Writings can be in conflict with Moses' writings, because Moses saw it all in advance.

The Talmud states that the writings of the prophets will not be necessary in the World to Come, because in that day, all people will be mentally, spiritually and ethically perfect, and all will have the gift of prophecy.
Frijoles

Stamford, CT

#157191 Jan 2, 2013
uhuh wrote:
<quoted text>
nah, Nethanel was rather the exception, he was inclined toward karaites
Can you post any sources that support this (that he was inclined to a karaitic point of view)?

The guy was an obscure rabbi in an obscure closed kingdom. I would be suprised if there was any detailed volume of work about him.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#157192 Jan 2, 2013
uhuh wrote:
"Yeshua ha-Notzri -may his bones erode- the mamzer stirred our people into believing that he was a prophet sent by God to clarify perplexities in the Torah and to re-interpret the Law. The sages -of blessed memory- having become aware of his plans meted out fitting punishment to him before his reputation spread. He was overpowered and put a stop to by us when he fell into our hands, and his fate is well known" (Iggeret Teman)
to reinterpret the rabbinical Law is a no-no
that's why Maimonides said that Jesus the mamzer got what he deserved
rabbee: the only thing, unusual about Adam being put to death. and being returned, as adam and his mate. is that none of you all, believe it is all just in TheHappening again. how can even jews* only say they accept G-D and TheTorah. while actually denouncing the twice coming of Adam actually here in TheStory of Creation just again from G-D.

with all of you! trying to mentally change it. so as to mentally only look as if, it is not all actually happening again here in TheTorah. new testaments from other g-ds are nothing new, they have been having those, since the tower of babel. as you can see G-D'S reply, to their new testament also.

this without even mention of, the loss of two temples and dispersions because of their new testaments in the tanach and talmood. i just guess TheG-D of Only TheTorah, does not like any new testaments from other g-ds.

because if you keep, making up new testaments. your all totally missing out, the twice coming of Adam actually in TheHappening today.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#157193 Jan 2, 2013
rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
<quoted text>
rabbee: if you have a choice, of being called a traitor to the jewish* the christian people, or the muslem people, or the world. or being a traitor to G-D, which would you choose? which would you, choose? when there has never been, anything right about the sanity of this world.
rabbee: there is nothing worse, according to G-D. than all the traitors against HIM, calling their Son Adam a traitor to their own eyes against G-D. and just who does G-D, always put in charge for the final day here in TheTorah actually happening? as you can all even insanely pretend, to be in charge then too. but you never have been, and you still won't be then. this world does no happen, the way any of you say. it always happens TheWay G-D, says in reply to your rebellious attitude avoiding being here in TheStory of Creation.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#157194 Jan 2, 2013
the only thing this whole world is proved. is that not a one of you, believe G-D about this twice coming of THEIR Baby Adam, here in TheTorah actually happening again. and prophecy is made, easy as long as you can accept being here in TheTorah.

i have not only been appointed, Personally by G-D to speak for TheBoth of THEM. but i am also to be anointed, to be placed in charge of this whole world for TheSeventh Day, here in TheStory of Creation again. and this shall never change, here in TheStory of Creation.

and i can tell you all, exactly what happens. when G-D returns from TheDay of Rest totally pissed off because of all of you and your indoctrinated also talking grandcritters. so you all defiantly do not want for G-D, to take off for the day of rest in an angry mood thrice again.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#157195 Jan 2, 2013
this whole world, has an antiG-D mental problem here in TheStory of Creation again. and the problem is, the whole world refuses to admit to there insane mentality.

since half of the problem, of having a problem, is being able to see and admit you all have an unhealty defiant mental condition.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#157196 Jan 2, 2013
Buford wrote:
There are two ways to approach a study of Muhammad. One is with reverence and the other is with skepticism. Thinking persons choose they latter. They are not influenced by the number of Muslim believers in the world today or by their force of belief because these are meaningless for determining truth. They care only about fact.
That is why I, being a thinking person, chose Muhammad over the Biblical Jesus. The man himself was an skeptic and was also not so sure about himself.

He did not really have any clue about himself and would go and ask idiots to find who people thought he was, when he should have been the one to tell people, who he was. This shows a lack of self-confidence and a lack of self-esteem.

I am also not really influenced by the large number of ignorant fools, known as Christians, who also do not know who he really was. So, it appears to be the case of a blind Jesus, who led the blind and the clueless.

Here, I would like to stress that Jesus was a 29-30 years old young man, who could not convince men twice his age. Perhaps that was the main reason he failed to get any recognition.

Another important point is that he was not coherent. Thinking people want to hear a coherent person, who lays down everything straight. That is why thinking Christians are now grilling their own scripture and religion, which make no sense. They make fun of the doctrines fabricated and that thinking process is a sign of the Cult of Christianity going down the hill.

Muhammad was extremely coherent, reasoned with folks and convinced them. Muhammad talked only about God, while Jesus talked about the Father, as if he was his own father. That must have pissed off the thinking people.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#157197 Jan 2, 2013
and this is the third time, this whole world and their grandmother. have all refused to believe, we are all here in TheStory of Creation just again from HaShem G-D.

and before this, there was another batch of talking critter idiots and their grandmother, making all the same mistakes, and expecting different results. precisely no different than you, have all errantly chosen to say. because you had rather all, speak for the same old devil than G-D.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#157198 Jan 2, 2013
rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
and this is the third time, this whole world and their grandmother. have all refused to believe, we are all here in TheStory of Creation just again from HaShem G-D.
and before this, there was another batch of talking critter idiots and their grandmother, making all the same mistakes, and expecting different results. precisely no different than you, have all errantly chosen to say. because you had rather all, speak for the same old devil than G-D.
Rabbee,

Do you have any place for this critter trinity, created by the subtle beasts of the fields, in your TheTorah? Please advise.
uhuh

Sevilla, Spain

#157199 Jan 2, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
Can you post any sources that support this (that he was inclined to a karaitic point of view)?
no assertion, just educated assumption,
because Karaim flourished in that era, and unlike the Rabbaniyim (who followed the "frozen version of Judaism"), they have a more lenient attitude toward Jesus and Muhammad; the former a Samaritan prophet, the latter an Arabian prophet
they even adapted islamic Kalam philosophy
Frijoles wrote:
The guy was an obscure rabbi in an obscure closed kingdom. I would be suprised if there was any detailed volume of work about him.
therefore his view on gentile prophets was not mainstream
what he wrote was virtually unknown until 1908
uhuh

Sevilla, Spain

#157200 Jan 2, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
http://www.jewfaq.org/prophet. htm
What is a Prophet?
Many people today think of a prophet as any person who sees the future. While the gift of prophecy certainly includes the ability to see the future, a prophet is far more than just a person with that ability.
The Talmud teaches that there were hundreds of thousands of prophets: twice as many as the number of people who left Egypt, which was 600,000.
A prophet is not necessarily a Jew. The Talmud reports that there were prophets among the gentiles (most notably Balaam, whose story is told in Numbers 22). And some of the prophets, such as Jonah, were sent on missions to speak to the gentiles.
apparently jewfaq is misleading the gentile readers

"It has been taught: Many prophets arose FOR Israel, double the number of the Israelites who came out of Egypt" (Megillah 14a)

Balaam was a "prophet" only in the sense that he could prophesy

Jonah was SENT to gentiles, he himself was a Hebrew (Jonah 1:9)
Frijoles

Stamford, CT

#157201 Jan 2, 2013
uhuh wrote:
<quoted text>no assertion, just educated assumption,
because Karaim flourished in that era, and unlike the Rabbaniyim (who followed the "frozen version of Judaism"), they have a more lenient attitude toward Jesus and Muhammad; the former a Samaritan prophet, the latter an Arabian prophet
they even adapted islamic Kalam philosophy
<quoted text>therefore his view on gentile prophets was not mainstream
what he wrote was virtually unknown until 1908
Agreed that he was obscure (not that there is anything wrong with that!)

But others might hold similar views. I almost do. Convergent evolution.
Frijoles

Stamford, CT

#157202 Jan 2, 2013
uhuh wrote:
<quoted text>
apparently jewfaq is misleading the gentile readers
"It has been taught: Many prophets arose FOR Israel, double the number of the Israelites who came out of Egypt" (Megillah 14a)
Balaam was a "prophet" only in the sense that he could prophesy
Jonah was SENT to gentiles, he himself was a Hebrew (Jonah 1:9)
Misleading is a matter of opinion.

Its been my experience among modern Judaism that there is a breadth of diversity on this and other subjects.

For what its worth, very little in the Talmud stands without a counter opinion.

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