Who Is Allah?

Who Is Allah?

There are 248122 comments on the The Brussels Journal story from Aug 24, 2007, titled Who Is Allah?. In it, The Brussels Journal reports that:

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#156066 Dec 14, 2012
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
You seriously believe in that tale, which makes no sense?
Just a tale. If it had really happened, the Jews would have known that. How come the writers of the gospels did not mention that. The gospels came long after Jesus was gone. Right?
So, what did they say? Any message?
rabbee: well do i detect a difficulty, in hyprocrucy here? but unfortunatly if you denouce their claim. then it denounces all of yours along a simular line.

Since: Dec 12

UK

#156067 Dec 14, 2012
Professor Puin has written:

"My idea is that the Qur’an is a kind of cocktail of texts that were not all understood even at the time of Muhammad. Many of them may even be a hundred years older than Islam itself. The Qur’an claims for itself that it is ‘mubeen’, or clear. But [contrary to popular belief] if you look at it, you will notice that every fifth sentence or so simply does not make sense…the fact is that a fifth of the Qur’anic text is just incomprehensible. If the Qur’an is not comprehensible, if it can’t even be understood in Arabic, then it’s not translatable into any language. That is why Muslims are afraid. Since the Qur’an claims repeatedly to be clear but is not - there is an obvious and serious contradiction. Something else must be going on".

his book is out

http://www.prometheusbooks.com/index.php...
Buford

Scott Depot, WV

#156068 Dec 14, 2012
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
<quoted text>
Hello bu(ttturdlick)ford the ignorant village idiot!
Have you seen any "ghosts" lately?
Why did BJ run off and "send" the ghost?
Is he not supposed to be the "ghost"?
Then why did he not say, "I will run off now and then come back as a ghost"?
Therefore, no ghostly spirit is there to be seen!
The answer is in the "claim"...
"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost....."
Did Jesus actually say "But the comforter (COMMA) which is the Holy Ghost..."?
Of course NOT!!!!!
He would NEVER have said "comma holy ghost"!
Therefore, a liar introduced the "holy ghost" followed by a "comma"!
Surely any fool can see that "holy ghost is a pathetic invention".
George,

Take your meds.
smhl

Clarks Summit, PA

#156069 Dec 14, 2012
Jesus might have said some wise remarks as reported in the synoptics. As for the fourth gospel, not a single word in it were ever spoken by him.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#156070 Dec 14, 2012
smhl wrote:
Jesus might have said some wise remarks as reported in the synoptics. As for the fourth gospel, not a single word in it were ever spoken by him.
Exactly and very true!

Thank you very much.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#156071 Dec 14, 2012
El Morales wrote:
Professor Puin has written:
"My idea is that the Qur’an is a kind of cocktail of texts that were not all understood even at the time of Muhammad. Many of them may even be a hundred years older than Islam itself. The Qur’an claims for itself that it is ‘mubeen’, or clear. But [contrary to popular belief] if you look at it, you will notice that every fifth sentence or so simply does not make sense…the fact is that a fifth of the Qur’anic text is just incomprehensible. If the Qur’an is not comprehensible, if it can’t even be understood in Arabic, then it’s not translatable into any language. That is why Muslims are afraid. Since the Qur’an claims repeatedly to be clear but is not - there is an obvious and serious contradiction. Something else must be going on".
his book is out
http://www.prometheusbooks.com/index.php...
I think it is high time that the ignorant fool, Puin should start going after the nonsense, incoherence and the absurdities in the New Testament and the Old Testament Cocktail.

Qur'aan is absolutely clear. I have been translating the verses of Qur'aan here quite easily.

Now, please write some verses, which you think, aren't clear.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#156074 Dec 15, 2012
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Many things in the Old Scriptures were not corrupted like saying God is one and you shall worship none but Him!!
Deut. 18:18 was a "harmless passage" in which there was no need to "modify or corrupt".
Jews thought it "just like hundreds of other prophesies in the Bible"..... Christians "thought" that it refers to Jesus 100 %, only when our prophet came 600 years ago, then the "real worth" of that prophesy was seen.
By that time, it was not feasible to modify the scriptures, because Muslim scholars did not know about this prophesy, till after many centuries had passed.
The same was with the "comforter" prophesy in Gospel of John. The Christian world was "confident" that Issue of Comforter was solved for ever when they "inserted" "Comforter , which is the Holy Spirit" into that Gospel.

It was a "shock of a life time" when the Comforter came into Arabia in 7th Century CE!!
Enjoyed reading that, MUQ.

The last line was very impressive.

Salaams
BMZ
Buford

Scott Depot, WV

#156075 Dec 15, 2012
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Many things in the Old Scriptures were not corrupted like saying God is one and you shall worship none but Him!!
Deut. 18:18 was a "harmless passage" in which there was no need to "modify or corrupt".
Jews thought it "just like hundreds of other prophesies in the Bible"..... Christians "thought" that it refers to Jesus 100 %, only when our prophet came 600 years ago, then the "real worth" of that prophesy was seen.
By that time, it was not feasible to modify the scriptures, because Muslim scholars did not know about this prophesy, till after many centuries had passed.
The same was with the "comforter" prophesy in Gospel of John. The Christian world was "confident" that Issue of Comforter was solved for ever when they "inserted" "Comforter , which is the Holy Spirit" into that Gospel.
It was a "shock of a life time" when the Comforter came into Arabia in 7th Century CE!!
Hmmm...you and bmz the Qur'aan Scholar disagree about John 14:26. In his book that makes you an "ignorant fool," if not an apostate.
Buford

Scott Depot, WV

#156076 Dec 15, 2012
Mohammad the "Comforter"

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Myths...

The Myth:

Muhammad was a peaceful man who taught his followers to be the same. Muslims lived peacefully for centuries, fighting only in self-defense - and when it was necessary. True Muslims would never act aggressively.

The Truth:

Muhammad organized 65 military campaigns in the last ten years of his life and personally led 27 of them. The more power that he attained, the smaller the excuse needed to go to battle, until finally he began attacking tribes merely because they were not yet part of his growing empire.

After Muhammad’s death, his successor immediately went to war with former allied tribes which wanted to go their own way. Abu Bakr called them 'apostates' and slaughtered anyone who did not want to remain Muslim. Eventually, he was successful in holding the empire together through blood and violence.

The prophet of Islam's most faithful followers and even his own family soon turned on each other as well. There were four caliphs (leaders) in the first twenty-five years, each of which was a trusted companion of his. Three of these four were murdered. The third caliph was murdered by those allied with the son of the first caliph. The fourth caliph was murdered in the midst of a conflict with the fifth caliph, who began a 100-year dynasty of excess and debauchery that was brought to an end in a gruesome, widespread bloodbath by descendents of Muhammad’s uncle (who was not even a Muslim).

Muhammad’s own daughter, Fatima, and his son-in-law, Ali, who both survived the pagan hardship during the Meccan years safe and sound, did not survive Islam after the death of Muhammad. Fatima died of stress from persecution within three months, and Ali was later assassinated by Muslim rivals. Their son (Muhammad’s grandson) was killed in battle with the faction that became today’s Sunnis. His people became Shias. The relatives and personal friends of Muhammad were mixed into both warring groups, which then fractured further into hostile sub-divisions as Islam expanded.

Muslim apologists, who like to say that is impossible for today's terrorists to be Muslim when they kill fellow Muslims, would have a very tough time explaining the war between Fatima's followers and Aisha to a knowledgeable audience. Muhammad explicitly held up both his favorite daughter and his favorite wife as model Muslim women, yet they were invoked respectively by each side in the violent civil war that followed his death. Which one was the prophet of God so horribly wrong about?
Buford

Scott Depot, WV

#156077 Dec 15, 2012
Muhammad left his men with instructions to take the battle against Christians, Persians, Jews and polytheists (which came to include millions of unfortunate Hindus). For the next four centuries, Muslim armies steamrolled over unsuspecting neighbors, plundering them of loot and slaves, and forcing the survivors to either convert or pay tribute at the point of a sword.

Companions of Muhammad lived to see Islam declare war on every major religion in the world in just the first few decades following his death - pressing the Jihad against Hindus, Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians, and Buddhists.

By the time of the Crusades (when the Europeans began fighting back), Muslims had conquered two-thirds of the Christian world by sword, from Syria to Spain, and across North Africa. Millions of Christians were enslaved by Muslims, and tens of millions of Africans. The Arab slave-trading routes would stay open for 1300 years until pressure from Christian-based countries forced Islamic nations to declare the practice illegal (in theory). To this day, the Muslim world has never apologized for the victims of Jihad and slavery.

There is not another religion in the world that consistently produces terrorism in the name of God as does Islam. The most dangerous Muslims are nearly always those who interpret the Quran most transparently. They are the fundamentalists or purists of the faith, and believe in Muhammad’s mandate to spread Islamic rule by the sword, putting to death those who will not submit. In the absence of true infidels, they will even turn on each other.

The holy texts of Islam are saturated with verses of violence and hatred toward those outside the faith, as well as the "hypocrites" (Muslims who don't act like Muslims). In sharp contrast to the Bible, which generally moves from relatively violent episodes to far more peaceful mandates, the Quran travels the exact opposite path (violence is first forbidden, then permitted, then mandatory). The handful of earlier verses that speak of tolerance are overwhelmed by an avalanche of later ones that carry a much different message. While Old Testament verses of blood and guts are generally bound by historical context within the text itself, Quranic imperatives to violence usually appear open-ended and subject to personal interpretation.

From the history of the faith to its most sacred writings, those who want to believe in "peaceful Islam" have a lot more to ignore than do the terrorists. By any objective measure, the "Religion of Peace" has been the harshest, bloodiest religion the world has ever known. In Islam there is no peace unless Muslims have power - and even then...
__________
uhuh

Cadiz, Spain

#156078 Dec 15, 2012
ObadYah hid 100 prophets inside caves (I Kings); what revelations did they receive from God?

the prophets Nathan, Ahiyah, Iddo, Shemaiah, Gad and Yehu each had their own book (II Chr); what was written down?

"It has been taught: Many prophets arose for Israel, double the number of Israelites who came out of Egypt (600000x2). But only the prophecy which was deemed necessary for future generations was written down, and that which did not was not written" (Megillah 14a)

maybe the coming of Jesus and Muhammad was foretold in one of those lost prophecies? hmmm
Buford

Scott Depot, WV

#156079 Dec 15, 2012
uhuh wrote:
ObadYah hid 100 prophets inside caves (I Kings); what revelations did they receive from God?
the prophets Nathan, Ahiyah, Iddo, Shemaiah, Gad and Yehu each had their own book (II Chr); what was written down?
"It has been taught: Many prophets arose for Israel, double the number of Israelites who came out of Egypt (600000x2). But only the prophecy which was deemed necessary for future generations was written down, and that which did not was not written" (Megillah 14a)
maybe the coming of Jesus and Muhammad was foretold in one of those lost prophecies? hmmm
Well, you can spend some time here: http://www.bprc.org/topics/fulfill.html , and play name substitution.
tiredofmuslimcra pnAmerica

United States

#156080 Dec 15, 2012
Allah is basically the DEVIL incarnate on earth, just as Jesus Christ is GOD incarnate on earth. Plain and simple, Feel really sorry for those of you that care more of worldly desires like working so you can have the worldly rewards of 72 virgins in heaven. How sad. I have no doubt that when Jesus The True Savior takes me home to heaven I will be overwhelmed with extremely rewarding works to do and will have no desires to participate in the sinful, worldly actions and desires that constantly made it difficult for me to be accepted into heaven. Ya'll have a ball in all the heat with the perverted, lying savior you blindly follow into hell. You asked, I just gave you my opinion. It is still America enough that I do still have freedom of speech.
Mahmood

Schomberg, Canada

#156081 Dec 15, 2012
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
I read that. If you know who added, then tell me. As I said, it was done for the convenience of others.
Sana manuscripts were scraps and stuff and it was and still is common practice to bury torn and tattered pages of Qur'aan. There is no such thing as Sana Qur'aan. Puin never had a complete "Sana Qur'aan".
I have already told you that the ignorant fool finally admitted that it was only the writing style that mattered.
Read history, deliberate and think what appears to make sense and what does not.
I have read it too that Hajjaj added diacritical marks, but then again it is one of the many Islamic traditions that is not to be trusted. There are many unanswered questions concerning the Koran which makes my suspecion even stronger because I have been conducting some research. How did the Koran orignate? Where did it come from, and when did it first appear? How was it first written? In what kind of language was it written? How was it transmitted from one generation to another especially in its early years? How and by whom was it codified? These questions need to be answered but it seems no has any answers. The whole damn thing is shroudded in mystrey.

Islam is forced to be constantly on the attack because it cannot defend itself. Islam cannot withstand objective scrutiny of its holy scripture and history. The idea that the Koran is the word of god is totally unsupported. Mohamadan scholars are more intent on creating history than examining it. We dont even know if there was a prototype of the Koran from which it was derived. It could be that the Koran was pieced together with disparate materials. The very word "Quran" is derived from Syriac qeryana "recitation, liturgy".

If Puin is an ass&ole, why have the Yemani authorities prevented further research of those manuscripts?

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#156082 Dec 15, 2012
Mahmood wrote:
<quoted text>
I have read it too that Hajjaj added diacritical marks, but then again it is one of the many Islamic traditions that is not to be trusted. There are many unanswered questions concerning the Koran which makes my suspecion even stronger because I have been conducting some research. How did the Koran orignate? Where did it come from, and when did it first appear? How was it first written? In what kind of language was it written? How was it transmitted from one generation to another especially in its early years? How and by whom was it codified? These questions need to be answered but it seems no has any answers. The whole damn thing is shroudded in mystrey.
Islam is forced to be constantly on the attack because it cannot defend itself. Islam cannot withstand objective scrutiny of its holy scripture and history. The idea that the Koran is the word of god is totally unsupported. Mohamadan scholars are more intent on creating history than examining it. We dont even know if there was a prototype of the Koran from which it was derived. It could be that the Koran was pieced together with disparate materials. The very word "Quran" is derived from Syriac qeryana "recitation, liturgy".
If Puin is an ass&ole, why have the Yemani authorities prevented further research of those manuscripts?
Hello,

There is no question of an if. Puin is an asshole. Do you even know that the ignorant fool is not a scholar of Qur'aan?

He is said to be an expert in Islamic calligraphy and in paleography and that is no great scholarship.

As for your silly line. "The very word "Quran" is derived from Syriac qeryana "recitation, liturgy".", every knowledgeable and well-read person knows that Hebrew, Aramaic and Arabic evolved from the same language and have many words in common.

I commend you on writing like a true internet junkie.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#156083 Dec 15, 2012
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>Hmmm...you and bmz the Qur'aan Scholar disagree about John 14:26. In his book that makes you an "ignorant fool," if not an apostate.
I enjoyed reading MUQ's great line, which only an ignorant fool would not be able to understand and appreciate.

Read that gem of a line again:

"It was a "shock of a life time" when the Comforter came into Arabia in 7th Century CE!!"

I reject all the hocus pocus written by many Johns in John's gospel. There is nothing redeeming in John.

I have already said that if the alleged Holy Spirit had really come and taught what Jesus taught, there would have been no mess over a period of 700 years. And Jesus' teachings would have been the same.

Do you think this so-called holy Spirit taught that God was triune and that Jesus was God? Were those absurdities taught by Jesus?

So, the mother of all questions is: What was this thing known as the Holy Spirit doing over
600-700 years? Misleading people?
uhuh

Cadiz, Spain

#156084 Dec 15, 2012
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>Well, you can spend some time here: http://www.bprc.org/topics/fulfill.html , and play name substitution.
lol those vague "prophecies of Jesus" require a lot of wishful thinking and imagination for them to even remotely apply to Jesus
I'm talking about prophecies that explicitly mentioned their names - Yeshua/Yehoshua, Machmad/Achmad

of course if there existed such clear-cut prophecies they would not have been recorded down (and the prophet summarily executed)
uhuh

Cadiz, Spain

#156085 Dec 15, 2012
"Only the prophecies which were deemed necessary was written down; those which did not were not written" (Megillah 14a)

"When the Torah was forgotten, Ezra came from Babylon and restored it. It was again forgotten and Hillel ha-zaken came and restored it. Then yet again it was forgotten and R.Hiyya came and restored it" (Sukkah 20a)
uhuh

Cadiz, Spain

#156086 Dec 15, 2012
long before the acronym "TaNaKh" was in use, the scripture was called "Miqra" (e.g. Exo 12:16)

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#156087 Dec 15, 2012
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Many things in the Old Scriptures were not corrupted like saying God is one and you shall worship none but Him!!
Deut. 18:18 was a "harmless passage" in which there was no need to "modify or corrupt".
Jews thought it "just like hundreds of other prophesies in the Bible"..... Christians "thought" that it refers to Jesus 100 %, only when our prophet came 600 years ago, then the "real worth" of that prophesy was seen.
By that time, it was not feasible to modify the scriptures, because Muslim scholars did not know about this prophesy, till after many centuries had passed.
The same was with the "comforter" prophesy in Gospel of John. The Christian world was "confident" that Issue of Comforter was solved for ever when they "inserted" "Comforter , which is the Holy Spirit" into that Gospel.
It was a "shock of a life time" when the Comforter came into Arabia in 7th Century CE!!
If you ever dared to read Deut 18:18 you would have known yet that Muhammad had nothing to do with it. The same thing goes for the conforter's account.

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