Who Is Allah?

Aug 24, 2007 Full story: The Brussels Journal 202,617

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#155934 Dec 12, 2012
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>I have sympathy for Jews because Mohammad hated them and killed any number of them for ridiculing him. His "perfectly" bloody example inspires Hamas TODAY.
rabbee: i do not believe the alleged as jews, ever ridiculed muhammed. i do believe they may have tried, to chastize and/or correct him. and the self blinded muhammed errantly, falsly felt ridiculed or considered it as ridicule. and took it even further beyond, those he only felt had ridiculed him.
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#155935 Dec 12, 2012
rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
<quoted text>
rabbee: i do not believe the alleged as jews, ever ridiculed muhammed. i do believe they may have tried, to chastize and/or correct him. and the self blinded muhammed errantly, falsly felt ridiculed or considered it as ridicule. and took it even further beyond, those he only felt had ridiculed him.
See: http://www.americanthinker.com/2006/03/muhamm...
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#155936 Dec 12, 2012
Buford wrote:
rabbee: so?
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#155937 Dec 12, 2012
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>The 16th century forgery was written by a Muslim, that is, someone who believed that a seventh century forgery, the Qur'an, is the pure and unadulterated Word of Allah.
Who wrote the first century forgery?

So if a Christian writes a forgery, it becomes authentic?

Is that a new postulate?
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#155938 Dec 12, 2012
Mahmood wrote:
<quoted text>
I dont have the time to dig for that kind of information even though I have access to Tabari and Ishaq. Why dont you simply answer my question? Being a pagan till age 40, I doubt if he was ever circumcised.
Your "doubts" will not becomes facts. That is why I said an "expert" like you is not in the market to get info from novices like us.

You have doubts, which turn into your opinion and they become your views and then they become a fact.

You are entitled to live in your world.

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#155939 Dec 12, 2012
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>Not that long ago I sent an e-mail to my Catholic Bishop to ask why it took so long -Vatican II, 1962- for the Church to recognize that it wasn't obeying the teaching of Jesus with regard to the Jews, but in fact had sinned gravely and for centuries against them as a people.
Muslims need something similar, but the problem is and will ever be Mohammad, that consummate Jew hater.
Catholics gave us 12 crusades, inquisitions and frightens people with hellfire. Anything is better than Christianity. Let the Pope hate Jews..........nothing new here.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#155940 Dec 12, 2012
Excerpts from the Gospel of Barnabas, Part-5

Chapter 9 Jesus, having returned to Judea,

When Herod was dead, behold the angel of the Lord appeared in a dream to Joseph, saying:'Return into Judaea, for they are dead that willed the death of the child…

Jesus, having come to the age of twelve years, went up with Mary and Joseph to Jerusalem, to worship there according to the law of the Lord written in the book of Moses. When their prayers were ended they departed, having lost Jesus, because they thought that he was returned home with their kinsfolk. Mary therefore returned with Joseph to Jerusalem, seeking Jesus among kinsfolk and neighbours.

The third day they found the child in the temple, in the midst of the doctors, disputing with them concerning the law. And every one was amazed at his questions and answers, saying: "How can there be such doctrine in him, seeing he is so small and hath not learned to read?'

Mary reproved him, saying:'Son, what hast thou done to us? Behold I and thy father have sought thee for three days sorrowing.' Jesus answered:'Know ye not that the service of God ought to come before father and mother?' Jesus then went down with his mother and Joseph to Nazareth, and was subject to them with humility and reverence.

Note: See the reply of Jesus in Barnabas and that in Luke 2:45. In Barnabas there is no using the word father and son (MUQ)

Chapter 10 : Knowledge is Give to Jesus

Jesus having come to the age of thirty years, as he himself said unto me, went up to Mount Olives with his mother to gather olives. Then at midday as he was praying, when he came to these words:'Lord, with mercy ...,' he was surrounded by an exceeding bright light and by an infinite multitude of angels, who were saying:

'Blessed be God.' The angel Gabriel presented to him as it were a shining mirror, a book, which descended into the heart of Jesus, in which he had knowledge of what God hath done and what hath said and what God willeth insomuch that everything was laid bare and open to him; as he said unto me:

'Believe, Barnabas, that I know every prophet with every prophecy, insomuch that whatever I say the whole bath come forth from that book.'

Jesus, having received this vision, and knowing that he was a prophet sent to the house of Israel, revealed all to Mary his mother, telling her that he needs must suffer great persecution for the honour of God, and that he could not any longer abide with her to serve her.

Whereupon, having heard this, Mary answered:'Son. ere thou west born all was announced to me; wherefore blessed be the holy name of God. Jesus departed therefore that day from his mother to attend to his prophetic office.

Note: Jesus is given the mission as was normal (MUQ)
(Abridged)
uhuh

Spain

#155946 Dec 12, 2012
the earliest bits and scraps of gospels written in Greek started to appear only after all Jews were banished from Jerusalem 135 CE, and idol-worshiping Romans took over as bishops of the Church in Jerusalem from Jesus' (Jewish) disciples
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#155949 Dec 12, 2012
Makesure100 wrote:
Catholics gave us 12 crusades, inquisitions and frightens people with hellfire. Anything is better than Christianity. Let the Pope hate Jews..........nothing new here.
Guess what?

Mohammad didn't obey the teaching of Jesus regarding the Jews, either. In fact, he ABROGATED the teaching of Jesus.
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#155951 Dec 12, 2012
MUQ wrote:
Who wrote the first century forgery?
So if a Christian writes a forgery, it becomes authentic?
Is that a new postulate?
The new postulate is that a NON-JEWISH Arab named Mohammad becomes the prophet that Moses prophesied in Deuteronomy 18, and not because this is actually true, but because Muslims WANT IT TO BE TRUE.
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#155952 Dec 12, 2012
MUQ,

Should Salman Rushdie be executed as an apostate?

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#155957 Dec 12, 2012
Mahmood wrote:
<quoted text>
I doubt if the pagans circumcised. The Jews of Yathrib would but not those pagans. The practice of circumcision was borrowed from the Jews.

The Sunni explanation is that there were 3 possiblities: 1) He was born circumcised 2) Abu Talib did the circumcision 3) Gabriel performed the circumcion.....allah knows best!!!
You can doubt. No problem with that.

The practice of circumcision did NOT come from the Jews. They appeared very late on the scene.

They also followed the practice as commanded by Moses, who was ordered to circumcise all. And at that time, those folks, who lost their foreskins happily, were the Hebrews and many others.

The practice was initiated by Abraham and was followed by Ismael, Issac, Jacob, Joseph, the patriarchs, who WERE NOT Jews.

The generations of Issac and Ismael were getting their foreskins chopped gladly, without any hesitation. So, circumcision was nothing new. That is why you do not see an instruction in Qur'aan to Muslims, to get circumcised.

I had asked you to quote ahaadith on circumcision. You have not quoted any. Could not find, is it?

That prophet was born circumcised, that Abu Talib did the circumcision and that Gabriel did it, IS all rubbish and absurd! Both the Sunnis and the Shias conjecture.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#155961 Dec 12, 2012
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
Nevertheless he's one of the persons that I respect the most here because when you criticize his religion or former one, he does not provide excuses, nor he's obtuse, like many here, whenever you show him the flaws in his belief or former one he'll admit it without making too much noise.
OK. Now start attacking his religion. Tell him not to believe that Jesus is God, the greatest lie ever told.

Tell him that the Trinity or the Triune God is an absurdity, an abomination and a monstrosity.

Also, tell him that the Christian Bible is full of forgeries. Ridicule his faith.

It will be a great fun to watch you and Buford carry out lovely exchanges. I will watch and enjoy.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#155963 Dec 12, 2012
Buford wrote:
MUQ,
Should Salman Rushdie be executed as an apostate?
There is no need to execute that mischievous pompous fool.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#155967 Dec 12, 2012
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>The new postulate is that a NON-JEWISH Arab named Mohammad becomes the prophet that Moses prophesied in Deuteronomy 18, and not because this is actually true, but because Muslims WANT IT TO BE TRUE.
It is quite obvious that the prophet foretold in Deuteronomy 18:18, was not Jesus at all and could never have been.

"New International Version (©1984)

I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him."

Jesus just talked on his own and lots of Tu Quoque exchanges went between him and the Jews. The Tu Quoque was definitely not put into his mouth by God. Right?

So, if he were that prophet, then the man was not the son of God or God or the so-called Word, or messiah, etc.

Have you ever heard Christianity ever declaring him and calling him a prophet of God?

Thus Jesus is out!

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#155968 Dec 12, 2012
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>Guess what?
Mohammad didn't obey the teaching of Jesus regarding the Jews, either. In fact, he ABROGATED the teaching of Jesus.
Muhammad did not have to obey Jesus or his teachings. He was himself appointed a Prophet and received revelations. Jesus did not receive anything. What did he leave behind?

A complete mess in the form of the New Testament full of tales, "Acts, an act" by Luke, letters and journeys of Paul?

Did the biblical Jesus obey the teachings of Moses and others? In fact, he abrogated the laws and left nothing behind.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#155969 Dec 12, 2012
@ STEFANO COLONNA

Are you paying attention? I have provided enough material for you to go after Buford.

Go ahead!

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#155970 Dec 12, 2012
Mahmood wrote:
<quoted text>

In that case the same can be said of the Koran as well.

1) There is no written copy of the Koran dating back to lifetime of Mohammad.

2) The earliest fragments of the Koran are missing.

3) The orignal manuscripts of the Koran are missing.

4) Human memory is unreliable. How much of the Koran was committed to memory? We don't know. Oral tradition cannot be accurate. Some of it yes, but for the most part, no.

5) No hard evidence that the Koran we have today is verbatim the same Koran dictated by Mohammad.

6) Mohammad's name never appeared on coins until fag end of the 7th CE.

7) There could be verses in the Koran that were not meant to be there. That is why there is something called abrogation of verses. There could also have been verses that were supposed to be included but were left out.

The problem is that critical investigation of the Koran is fobidden in Islamic countries.
Item 1, agreed.

Item 2, agreed, because all fragments, etc had been burned or destroyed by Uthman, Ali and Company.

Item 3, there were no original manuscripts of Qur'aan at that time, as it had not been compiled.

Item 4, do not agree.

Item 5. There is no need for any evidence. The same has been repeated for a thousand plus years.

Item 6. That was not an important requirement. He was not a king.

Item 7: No verses of Qur'aan have been abrogated. If verses had been abrogated, they would have been deleted.

Shias, Sunnis and all other sects have and read exactly the same Qur'aan.

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#155971 Dec 12, 2012
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Muhammad did not have to obey Jesus or his teachings. He was himself appointed a Prophet and received revelations. Jesus did not receive anything. What did he leave behind?
A complete mess in the form of the New Testament full of tales, "Acts, an act" by Luke, letters and journeys of Paul?
Did the biblical Jesus obey the teachings of Moses and others? In fact, he abrogated the laws and left nothing behind.
Muhammad and his cronies are terrorists. Islam is a threat to the world. Islam thrives in poor countries and keeps women down. Don't praise him.

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#155972 Dec 12, 2012
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>I have sympathy for Jews because Mohammad hated them and killed any number of them for ridiculing him. His "perfectly" bloody example inspires Hamas TODAY.
I may understand this position only if you were the son or a close descendant of Muhammad.

What really ispires Hamas is the fascist policy that British and Israelis brought with them. What if one day your house get seized by a superior force, and you are forced to live with strangers who get the best and bigger part of your property? I'm sure you will react and fight for your rights, and starting to hate the new settlers. As such whenever you hear bad stories about them or that someone used to punish your enemies or their ancestors, you may feel happy or use those stories as example for your propanganda to show they are and were evil people. Anything then is justified.

In a way, but not fully, Hamas is justified, although hate brings hate, and nothing good can come from it, nothing good has it brought to them. it's time that both the parties need to be more moderate and start a real dialogue.

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