Who Is Allah?

Who Is Allah?

There are 251055 comments on the The Brussels Journal story from Aug 24, 2007, titled Who Is Allah?. In it, The Brussels Journal reports that:

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#156022 Dec 14, 2012
Buford wrote:
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Where is it recorded that "God Almighty" praised Mohammad? Why, it's recorded in the Qur'an, which also happens to be the record of what Mohammad dictated to his scribes, which is why it MUST BE TRUE!
Lol!!!#!!@!@#
It is recorded in Qur'aan, ignorant fool!
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#156023 Dec 14, 2012
Buford wrote:
Why did Mohammad kiss the Black Stone, that pre-islamic idol, and enshrine it in the Magic Cube?
Which ignorant fool told you that the black stone was an idol? Was it Sam Shamoun or Robert Spencer, the notoriously famous ignorant fools?

The black stone was not an idol, your Dumb Highness. Walls were not worshipped by the pagan Arabs.

The small piece of stone just fitted a small cavity.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#156024 Dec 14, 2012
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
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Why did he kiss a baby and why did he kiss his elders, his loved ones?
Did he worship them?
Right.

And Jesus used to worship little children. He used to worship by kissing them.

The Pope worships earth. He kisses the ground. lol!
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#156025 Dec 14, 2012
Buford wrote:
Stone Kissing and Idolatry
http://www.answering-islam.org/Muhammad/Incon...
Narrated Ibn Abbas:
When Allah’s Apostle came to Mecca, he refused to enter the Ka'ba with idols in it. He ordered (idols to be taken out). So they were taken out. The people took out the pictures of Abraham and Ishmael holding Azlams in their hands. Allah's Apostle said, "May Allah curse these people. By Allah, both Abraham and Ishmael never did the game of chance with Azlams." Then he entered the Ka'ba and said Takbir at its corners but did not offer the prayer in it.(Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 26, Number 671)
Yet Muhammad didn’t apply the Quran’s injunctions consistently since he was seen kissing the black stone of the Kabah:
Narrated Salim that his father said:
I saw Allah’s Apostle arriving at Mecca; he kissed the Black Stone Corner first while doing Tawaf and did ramal in the first three rounds of the seven rounds (of Tawaf).(Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 26, Number 673)
Narrated Az-Zubair bin ‘Arabi:
A man asked Ibn 'Umar about the touching of the Black Stone. Ibn ‘Umar said, "I saw Allah’s Apostle touching and kissing it." The questioner said, "But if there were a throng (much rush) round the Ka'ba and the people overpowered me,(what would I do?)" He replied angrily, "Stay in Yemen (as that man was from Yemen). I saw Allah's Apostle touching and kissing it." (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 26, Number 680)
This sheer act of idolatry troubled some of his own companions such as Umar bin al-Khattab:
Narrated ‘Abis bin Rabia:
‘Umar came near the Black Stone and kissed it and said, "No doubt, I know that you are a stone AND CAN NEITHER BENEFIT ANYONE NOR HARM ANYONE. Had I not seen Allah’s Apostle kissing you I would not have kissed you." (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 26, Number 667)
Narrated Zaid bin Aslam from his father who said:
"Umar bin Al-Khattab addressed the Corner (Black Stone) saying,‘By Allah! I know that you are a stone AND CAN NEITHER BENEFIT NOR HARM. Had I not seen the Prophet touching (and kissing) you, I would never have touched (and kissed) you.’ Then he kissed it and said,‘There is no reason for us to do Ramal (in Tawaf) except that we wanted to show off before the pagans, and now Allah has destroyed them.’‘Umar added,‘(Nevertheless), the Prophet did that and we do not want to leave it (i.e. Ramal).’" (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 26, Number 675)
Narrated Zaid bin Aslam that his father said:
"I saw ‘Umar bin Al-Khattab kissing the Black Stone and he then said,(to it)‘Had I not seen Allah’s Apostle kissing you,(stone) I WOULD NOT HAVE KISSED YOU.’" (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 26, Number 679)
How amusing that Umar basically echoes the words of Sura 21:66! Hence, not only was Muhammad acting inconsistently but he also committed idolatry!
So?
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#156026 Dec 14, 2012
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>
And now you have presumably found God in Islam, or at least what you think is the "Real McCoy."
How does it set with you that the "Will of God in Islam" mandates circumambulating the Magic Cube of Mecca seven times in a counterclockwise fashion, that is, if one can afford the trip?
It is good to see that ex-Father Alex has found the true God in Islam.

The Umrah and the Hajj is only applicable to those, who can afford the trip.

Those, who cannot afford the trip, do not have to worry.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#156027 Dec 14, 2012
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>
I understand that every NON-MUSLIM who disagrees with you is an "ignorant fool."
You are a sick joke.
No, you misunderstand and also do not understand.

The non-Muslims specially the polemic Christians understand Zilsch.

The members of the Jewish faith do understand me and I have never used the word for them. There are some intelligent non-Muslim posters on other threads, whom I consider intelligent.

However, the majority of polemic Christians, is ignorant. I have no choice but to call a spade, spade.

Buford, Christians and many non-Muslims are really not good at discussing and debating. You have to agree with me on that.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#156028 Dec 14, 2012
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
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Quran 16:101
And when We substitute a verse in place of a verse - and Allah is most knowing of what He sends down - they say, "You,[O Muhammad], are but an inventor [of lies]." But most of them do not know.
ISLAMIC EXPLICATION OF THAT VERSE:
[In the gradual revelation of the Qur'an some verses have been abrogated (Mansukh) by the order of Allah (Glory be to Him the Most High), and replaced with others (nasîkh). As is well known the Koran fell in twenty-three years according to the needs of the Islamic community that was forming. In this context, Allah (Glory be to Him the Most High) would have it, a few verses (mostly related to legal issues, institutional and never doctrinal) become superseded and replaced them with others. After the conclusion of the Revelation, the Koran assumed the characteristics of immutability which is one of his miracles. The question of the abrogated and the abrogating was used by detractors of the Envoy of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) to accuse him of counterfeiting.
IOW, the new verses DIDNT abrogate all the past scriptures but the ones in Quran. As expected you are always ready to making things up.
Furthermore this and other verses that talk about abrogation of the old verses on the same book are the proof that Allah is not perfect and all knowing, IOW it's a fake god. Good to know the proof of that is in Quran and not elsewhere.
Hello,

If the verse were talking about abrogation of the verses IN Qur'aan, then the verses abrogated would have been struck off or deleted.

Also, if the verse was talking about abrogation of verses IN Qur'aan, the verse would ahve another qualification, such as "in this Qur'aan" or in Arabic "fee haazal Qur'aan". There is no such qualification or mention.

When you write a post and delete some of your silly mistakes or absurd notes, do you submit your post together with all blunders?

.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#156029 Dec 14, 2012
Mahmood wrote:
<quoted text>
People have been rattling the Koran ever since it was put to print and distributed all over the world. According to Ibn Mujahid there were approx 07 qiraats (readings of the Koran) while others claim that there were 14. It wasn't until July 1924 when the Egyptian govt decided to throw all existing Korans into the River Nile and re-edit the whole Koran and that is the Koran which we have in our hands today.

None of us know what type of Koran existed between 610-710 AD and how much of it. You have no proof that the Koran we have today was the same Koran people were reciting back then. You have no proof as to how much of the Koran was actually dictated by Mohammad? I doubt if all the narratives in the Koran come from him. Caliph Osman allegedly sent copies of the Koran to Kufa, Basra, Damascus and elsewhere, what happened to those copies? The theory that Osman burnt Korans comes from a much later tradition for which there is no evidence. There are too many unanswered questions. Your replies are based more on blind faith than they are on evidence.

I doubt if there were too many verses written down until that Gov Hajjaj came to power - I could be wrong. The Sana manucripts date back to that period - early 8th CE. "Allah" knows best how much editing and interpolation was undertaken by the Umayyads as those [email protected] were not to be trusted. And what do you mean that there is no abrogation in the Koran? What about the science of Naskh wal Mansukh, are you saying it's all [email protected]?
Those people are mostly ignorant fools. To me, that is no rattling of Qur'aan at all.

The substance has always remained the same. It was the recitation. No big deal.

For example, the Egyptians still call Jannah as Gunnah (with a G as in Gun). Arabs raed Dal-leen, whereas as Persians and sub-Continentals read Dzal-leen or Zwalleen. All say, Akbar, but the Turk says Achbar (Ach as in much).

After raising all foolish hullabaloo, that ignorant fool Puin finally wrote there were no errors.

Some wrote IRUM, some wrote IRAM and the Arabs wrote IRM.

Hajjaj added diacritical marks, so that others could read.

The script for all the Persians and the Subcontinentals is different from the script that the Arabs and others use.

And these ignorant fools do not know.

Thanks for bringing it up.
Buford

Scott Depot, WV

#156030 Dec 14, 2012
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
How a truth is to be proven from the "old scriptures"?
Funny how all of the "old scriptures" have been corrupted EXCEPT for the few instances, like Deut. 18:18 or John 14:26 where there exists the slightest and most improbable possibility that the text COULD POSSIBLY be referring to Mohammad!
Buford

Scott Depot, WV

#156031 Dec 14, 2012
bmz wrote:
Which ignorant fool told you that the black stone was an idol? Was it Sam Shamoun or Robert Spencer, the notoriously famous ignorant fools?
The black stone was not an idol, your Dumb Highness. Walls were not worshipped by the pagan Arabs.
The small piece of stone just fitted a small cavity.
Ignorant Fool,

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/14...

The worship of sacred stones constituted one of the most general and ancient forms of religion; but among no other people was this worship so important as among the Semites. The religion of the nomads of Syria and Arabia was summarized by Clement of Alexandria in the single statement, "The Arabs worship the stone," and all the data afforded by Arabian authors regarding the pre-Islamitic faith confirm his words. The sacred stone ("nu&#7779;b"; plural, "an&#7779;ab") is a characteristic and indispensable feature in an ancient Arabian place of worship.

http://pl2.i8.com/kaaba.html

Many Muslims believe that the Stone fell from Heaven during the time of Adam and Eve, and that it was once a pure and dazzling white, but has turned black because of the sins it has absorbed over the years.

Some Muslims also accept this hadith, from Tirmidhi, which asserts that at the Last Judgement (Qiyamah), the Black Stone will speak for those who kissed it:

It was narrated that Ibn ‘Abbas said: The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said concerning the Stone: "By Allah, Allah will bring it forth on the Day of Resurrection, and it will have two eyes with which it will see and a tongue with which it will speak, and it will testify in favour of those who touched it in sincerity."

The Stone was an object of veneration in pre-Islamic days. Early chroniclers say that the Kaaba was rebuilt during Muhammad's youth, and that there was some contention among the Quraysh, Mecca's ruling clan, as to who should have the honor of raising the Black Stone to its place in the new structure. Muhammad is said to have suggested that the Stone be placed on a cloak and that the various clan heads jointly lift the cloak and put the Stone into place. Secular historians see this tale as a later glorification of Muhammad, but agree that it accurately represents the pre-Islamic status of the Black Stone.
Buford

Scott Depot, WV

#156032 Dec 14, 2012
bmz wrote:
It is recorded in Qur'aan, ignorant fool!
Ignorant and Uncomprehending Fool,

That's precisely what I wrote, but what you fail to understand is that simply because something is recorded in the "Qur'aan" or "Koran" does not make it true.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#156034 Dec 14, 2012
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Which ignorant fool told you that the black stone was an idol? Was it Sam Shamoun or Robert Spencer, the notoriously famous ignorant fools?
The black stone was not an idol, your Dumb Highness. Walls were not worshipped by the pagan Arabs.
The small piece of stone just fitted a small cavity.
rabbee: then why do all muslems bow, toward it's direction when it is obvious G-D is not actually there? and if you use the excuse, their bowing toward mecca, then you still have the same problem.

your still prostrating yourselves, to somewhere G-D is not actually at. which is why you reject, TheTorah that forbids that practice as idol worship.

the source of the quran, is not G-D. G-D did not write the quran on stone, and give it to muhammed. the only thing G-D ever wrote and gave to anyone is called, TheTorah. and everything else, has been written by men. G-D did not write, the new testament in the tanach, or talmood, the cristian new testament, the quran, mein kamph, or the constitution of the united states, 20,000 leagues under the sea, the little mermaid, goldie locks and the three bears or any other alleged as educational/indoctrination books.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#156035 Dec 14, 2012
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>Ignorant and Uncomprehending Fool,
That's precisely what I wrote, but what you fail to understand is that simply because something is recorded in the "Qur'aan" or "Koran" does not make it true.
rabbee: well i have asked, muslems on message boards before: what does the word, quran mean? and i have never gotten, an answer from any of them.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#156038 Dec 14, 2012
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>Ignorant and Uncomprehending Fool,
That's precisely what I wrote, but what you fail to understand is that simply because something is recorded in the "Qur'aan" or "Koran" does not make it true.
Well, that is the view of most ignorant fools.

For a Muslim, every word in Qur'aan is true. For Christians, not every word in their Bible is true and for a Muslim, most of the Bible is not true.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#156039 Dec 14, 2012
rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
<quoted text>
rabbee: then why do all muslems bow, toward it's direction when it is obvious G-D is not actually there? and if you use the excuse, their bowing toward mecca, then you still have the same problem.
your still prostrating yourselves, to somewhere G-D is not actually at. which is why you reject, TheTorah that forbids that practice as idol worship.
the source of the quran, is not G-D. G-D did not write the quran on stone, and give it to muhammed. the only thing G-D ever wrote and gave to anyone is called, TheTorah. and everything else, has been written by men. G-D did not write, the new testament in the tanach, or talmood, the cristian new testament, the quran, mein kamph, or the constitution of the united states, 20,000 leagues under the sea, the little mermaid, goldie locks and the three bears or any other alleged as educational/indoctrination books.
Of course, Gdashd or Ghyphend never wrote any book. may be G-d does not even know how to write.

The source of Qur'aan is God Almighty. Gdashd did not even write the tablets. Gdashd's laser wrote the Ten Commandments.

By the way, the Tanakh is NOTthe Torah and the Torah is NOT the Tanakh. Torah was the Law that Gdashd gave to Moses as a guide.

Mein Kampf was written by H-t-l-r.

Regarding the direction of prayers, it shows the importance of Gdashd's choice. You know that all synagogues face Jerusalem. It does not mean that Gdashd lives or sits there at the Mount. it shows the importance of that place.

We cannot face Jerusalem and the Vatican, the den of Satan.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#156040 Dec 14, 2012
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>
Ignorant Fool,
http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/14...
The worship of sacred stones constituted one of the most general and ancient forms of religion; but among no other people was this worship so important as among the Semites. The religion of the nomads of Syria and Arabia was summarized by Clement of Alexandria in the single statement, "The Arabs worship the stone," and all the data afforded by Arabian authors regarding the pre-Islamitic faith confirm his words. The sacred stone ("nu&#7779;b"; plural, "an&#7779;ab") is a characteristic and indispensable feature in an ancient Arabian place of worship.
http://pl2.i8.com/kaaba.html
Many Muslims believe that the Stone fell from Heaven during the time of Adam and Eve, and that it was once a pure and dazzling white, but has turned black because of the sins it has absorbed over the years.
Some Muslims also accept this hadith, from Tirmidhi, which asserts that at the Last Judgement (Qiyamah), the Black Stone will speak for those who kissed it:
It was narrated that Ibn ‘Abbas said: The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said concerning the Stone: "By Allah, Allah will bring it forth on the Day of Resurrection, and it will have two eyes with which it will see and a tongue with which it will speak, and it will testify in favour of those who touched it in sincerity."

The Stone was an object of veneration in pre-Islamic days. Early chroniclers say that the Kaaba was rebuilt during Muhammad's youth, and that there was some contention among the Quraysh, Mecca's ruling clan, as to who should have the honor of raising the Black Stone to its place in the new structure. Muhammad is said to have suggested that the Stone be placed on a cloak and that the various clan heads jointly lift the cloak and put the Stone into place. Secular historians see this tale as a later glorification of Muhammad, but agree that it accurately represents the pre-Islamic status of the Black Stone.
Muslims also have many absurd stories like the absurd tales of the New Testament.

That the stone fell from heaven and that it will be resurrected is all absurd. Ibn Abbas was not an ignorant fool to say that.

So, what is the point of your last para? Did you understand it fully?
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#156041 Dec 14, 2012
rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
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rabbee: well i have asked, muslems on message boards before: what does the word, quran mean? and i have never gotten, an answer from any of them.
Why did you not ask me.

It simply means RECITED.

In colloquial English it would mean: "That which was recited"
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#156042 Dec 14, 2012
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>Funny how all of the "old scriptures" have been corrupted EXCEPT for the few instances, like Deut. 18:18 or John 14:26 where there exists the slightest and most improbable possibility that the text COULD POSSIBLY be referring to Mohammad!
I believe that Deut 18:18 definitely did not talk about Jesus at all.

And I also believe that John's hocus pocus 14:26 does not talk about Muhammad at all.

I will explain but first let me write down John 14:26, courtesy KJV:

"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."

Now, nobody came to teach them anything and brought nothing to their remembrance what Jesus had taught.

You may ask, "Why do you say that?" I will tell you why:

If that alleged Holy Spirit or the Comforter or the Advocate or the Friend or the Helper had really come, there would have been no mess. The Bishops and founding fathers of Christianity would not have quarreled over the first six centuries. Doctrines would not have been concocted.

Thus it is quite obvious that no such thing as the Holy Spirit was sent. Right?
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#156043 Dec 14, 2012
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Hello,
If the verse were talking about abrogation of the verses IN Qur'aan, then the verses abrogated would have been struck off or deleted.
Also, if the verse was talking about abrogation of verses IN Qur'aan, the verse would ahve another qualification, such as "in this Qur'aan" or in Arabic "fee haazal Qur'aan". There is no such qualification or mention.
When you write a post and delete some of your silly mistakes or absurd notes, do you submit your post together with all blunders?
.
lol....
That colonic case is needs an injection of English through his iliac colon..(PR..medical term!)...lol..!
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#156044 Dec 14, 2012
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>
And now you have presumably found God in Islam, or at least what you think is the "Real McCoy."
How does it set with you that the "Will of God in Islam" mandates circumambulating the Magic Cube of Mecca seven times in a counterclockwise fashion, that is, if one can afford the trip?
Yes ignorant village idiot....please be honest...were you actually allowed inside a school?

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