Who Is Allah?

Aug 24, 2007 Full story: The Brussels Journal 212,419

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#155720 Dec 8, 2012
rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
<quoted text>
rabbee: yes for the christians.
madmood sayd his wife is christian but she thinks jesus is not god. she does not believe in trinity either.
help him!!!

who is your god...? do you not accept jesus?
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#155721 Dec 8, 2012
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>
George,
Take your meds.
wrong answer dear non-gentile bu(ttturdlick)ford..
Try again.......
It's the season to look for "god" dear "catholic" non-gentile bu(ttturdlick)tard, stop licking and point out your "god" from this list or the three that make up the invincible (or invisible?)trinity:
A) Name that "Trinity in Unity" or Name that "T(ri)une in One" by pointing out the three "components".
They have been numbered so you can pick the THREE very easily:
1- father of son of "GOD"
2- father of son of "god the father"
3- ghost of father of son of "GOD"
4- ghost of father of son of "god the father"
5- spirit of father of son of "GOD"
6- spirit of father of son of "god the father"
7- son of man (son of Adam)
8- son of man (son of David)
9- son of man (son of Joseph)
10- son of "GOD" (who encompasses god the father)
11- son of "god the father" (who is part of GOD)
12- son of god the holy spirit (who is part of GOD)
13- son of god the holy ghost (who is part of GOD)
14- ghost of son of man (son of Adam)
15- ghost of son of man (son of David)
16- ghost of son of man (son of Joseph)
17- ghost of son of "GOD"
18- ghost of son of "god the father"
19- ghost of son of "god the holy spirit"
20- ghost of son of "god the holy ghost"
21- spirit of son of man (son of Adam)
22- spirit of son of man (son of David)
23- spirit of son of man (son of Joseph)
24- spirit of son of "GOD"
25- spirit of son of "god the father"
26- spirit of son of "god the holy spirit"
27- spirit of son of "god the holy ghost"
28- ghost of spirit of father of son of "GOD"
29- ghost of spirit of father of son of "god the father"
30- ghost of spirit of son of man (son of Adam)
31- ghost of spirit of son of man (son of David)
32- ghost of spirit of son of man (son of Joseph)
33- ghost of spirit of son of "GOD"
34- ghost of spirit of son of "god the father"
35- ghost of spirit of son of god the holy spirit
36- ghost of spirit of son of god the holy ghost
37- spirit of ghost father of son of "GOD"
38- spirit of ghost of father of son of "god the father"
39- spirit of ghost of son of man (son of Adam)
40- spirit of ghost of son of man (son of David)
41- spirit of ghost of son of man (son of Joseph)
42- spirit of ghost of son of "GOD"
43- spirit of ghost of son of "god the father"
44- spirit of ghost of son of god the holy spirit
45- spirit of ghost of son of god the holy ghost
46- "Risen" Jesus
47- "Risen" son of man (son of Adam)
48- "Risen" son of man (son of David)
49- "Risen" son of man (son of Joseph)
50- "Risen" son of "God"
51- "Risen" son of "god the father"
52- "Risen" son of "god the holy spirit"
53- "Risen" son of "god the holy ghost"
54- "Lord" of St Paul
55- "Christ" of St Paul
56- Millions of "Jesus" in different shapes and sizes inside every "Christian" in every nation and language
57- Millions of "Holy Spirits" in different shapes and sizes inside every "Christian" in every nation and language
58- Millions of "Holy Ghosts" in different shapes and sizes inside every "Christian" in every nation and language
59- The Jesus in heaven sitting on his own right hand watching himself VINDICTIVELY making footstool of enemies.
60- ALL of the above?
61- NONE of the above?
62- Any more to be added to the above?
B) Show in the NT where Jesus claims divinity as follows:
"I AM JESUS. I AM YOUR GOD WHO HAS COME TO EARTH IN HUMAN FORM AS MY ONLY BEGOTTEN SON TO DIE WILLINGLY IN THE HANDS OF JEWS, FOR THE SINS OF GENTILES AS WELL AS THE ISRAELITES ON A roman CROSS, WHO WILL BE SAVED FOREVER & HAVE ETERNAL LIFE WHEN THEY ACCEPT MY SACRIFICE ON THEIR BEHALF when I go back up to sit on my own right hand to make foot stool of my enemies. I EXPECT NOTHING IN RETURN"
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#155722 Dec 8, 2012
rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
<quoted text>
rabbee: well we won't find that out, untill the last second of the end of day six. when apparently you discover, Their Name ain't jesus. so you cannot trick me into, saying any fake name is going to be your G-d for the last day.
Is my next door neighbour god?
he says he is like a good shepherd..he says he likes to die as his father likes him because he likes to give his life wilingly..
what do you think?
i think he is a nutcase
Mahmood

Mississauga, Canada

#155723 Dec 8, 2012
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
<quoted text>
madmood sayd his wife is christian but she thinks jesus is not god. she does not believe in trinity either.
help him!!!
who is your god...? do you not accept jesus?
Thats right, she does not consider Jesus as god and unlike you and I, she has not a bad word to say about any religion.
Mahmood

Mississauga, Canada

#155724 Dec 8, 2012
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
<quoted text>
They do generally end up showing traits of mangod worshippers.
They are more bothered about karbala and hero worship than actually looking at Allah and Islam.
Hassan Hussein although are precious, are not in the script!
There is no need to go around beating yourself in the chest and head drawing blood screaming and shouting.
You should leave the naked pagan on a pole to deal with torture, blood drinking and flesh eating.
Islam is about living.
So you guys can be hussainians or hassanians?
For once I agree with most of what you have written but who's to stop them. Shia Islam is cult of martyrdom.
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#155725 Dec 8, 2012
Mahmood wrote:
<quoted text>
Thats right, she does not consider Jesus as god and unlike you and I, she has not a bad word to say about any religion.
when did i say a bad word about God?
I am commenting on people who corrupt God's religion.
You have to tell rabbee..that your wife is christian and does not think jesus is god.
so rabbee is wrong
thank you.
Mahmood

Mississauga, Canada

#155726 Dec 8, 2012
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
<quoted text>
I think I know what your problem is.
You were never a Muslim.
You were perhaps an unwilling hassan/husseinian who was into self molestation, you poor boy.
Seems you were not even a mohammadan, and certainly not fortunate enough to have been a pious loving caring Muslim.
That accounts for your twisted way of thinking.
Never mind what I was and nor do I care what you think. All I know is that I showed a contradiction in the Koran and none of you were able to solve it.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#155727 Dec 8, 2012
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
<quoted text>
madmood sayd his wife is christian but she thinks jesus is not god. she does not believe in trinity either.
help him!!!
who is your god...? do you not accept jesus?
There are as ,many type of Christianity as there are number of Christians!!

Every Christian is a "unique" model, when questioned, some one will say I do not believe in this, some one will say I do not believe in that and so on.

What you said about his wife could be true, because he himself like one of those models!!

Salaam

MUQ
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#155728 Dec 8, 2012
Mahmood wrote:
<quoted text>
Never mind what I was and nor do I care what you think. All I know is that I showed a contradiction in the Koran and none of you were able to solve it.
That's your problem. You are a bit short on insight.
What you were is critical to all this because you simply cannot understand the explanation that there is no contradiction.
You have a blind spot.
Just like the blind spot of hassan/hussanism because you were never a Muslim.
Seems you were not even a mohammadan, and certainly not fortunate enough to have been a pious loving caring Muslim.
That accounts for your convoluted blinkered way of thinking.
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#155730 Dec 8, 2012
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
There are as ,many type of Christianity as there are number of Christians!!
Every Christian is a "unique" model, when questioned, some one will say I do not believe in this, some one will say I do not believe in that and so on.
What you said about his wife could be true, because he himself like one of those models!!
Salaam
MUQ
Salaam brother!
You are absolutely correct. I am just giving them a dose of their own medicine.
The reality is this...there are many good people who promote good mistakenly calling it Christian. There is no such thing as legitimate Christian as approved by Jesus!

These are just good human beings. Many of them are better than those who call themselves Muslims.

We need to give them Da'wah and they will be better Muslims than many who are born into Islam.

May Allah guide them.
Salaams.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#155731 Dec 8, 2012
rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
<quoted text>
rabbee: yes for the christians.
rabbee: well here we go again, with identity theft. for those who have, no moral charachter.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#155732 Dec 8, 2012
Buford wrote:
The Uniqueness and Titles of Jesus in Islam

C. THE TITLES WORD AND SPIRIT OF GOD.

1. Jesus as the Word of God in the Qur'an.

The passage contains typical Qur'anic dogmas in opposition to Christianity and we find here the divinity of Jesus as emphatically rejected as anywhere else in the book. The dogmas are these: Jesus was only a messenger, God is not Triune, he is only one God and has no son. A Muslim seeking proof texts in the Qur'an to confront Christians with a denial of their belief in Jesus as the Son of God will not have to venture beyond this verse. The fascinating feature of this verse, however, is its attribution of three titles to Jesus, each one of which strongly implies that he was far more than a prophet and seems to be more consistent with Christian belief in him as Lord and Saviour of all men than the Muslim belief that he was no different to the other messengers God had sent. The key words containing all three titles are Innamaal-Masiihu Iisaabnu Maryama rasuulullaahi wa kalimatuhuu al-qaahaa ilaa Maryama wa ruuhum-minhu.

We have already considered the first at some length, namely Al-Masih, "the Messiah", and saw that no attempt is made in the Qur'an to explain the title. The other two that : appear in the text we shall consider in this section, namely Kalimah, meaning "Word", and Ruh, meaning "Spirit". Let us begin with the first as it is written in the verse, namely kalimatuhuu - "His Word". The construction makes it plain that Jesus is, in some unique way, God's own Word. The title; appears in two other places in the Qur'an in much the same context. In Surah 3.39 an angel announces to Zachariah that his son John (Yahya) will witness to a kalimatim-minallaah, "a Word from God", and in Surah 3.45 the angels, in announcing the conception of Jesus to Mary, speak of him as a kalimatim-minhu, "a Word from Him". The title, thus applied on no less than three occasions to Jesus, is not applied to anyone else in the Qur'an yet, as with the title Messiah, no attempt is made to explain it.
Edited for brevity

Answering Gilchrist, the ignorant fool!

Please inform Gilchrist that there are no caps or capital letters in Hebrew, Aramaic and Arabic.

The only UNIQUENESS of Jesus in Islam is, that he was the son of Mary, whom no man touched and she conceived Jesus by God's command. No man fathered Jesus.

In Qur'aan, Jesus is not the Word, WHICH IS USED IN CAPS by Christianity. That biblical word Word, has no place in Qur'aan.

In 4:171, the "word" was the message sent to Mary that she would conceive a child. And that word or promise was fulfilled. And Mary did not deliver 'a word or message', which was conveyed through Gabriel. She delivered baby Jesus.

Here is a translation in modern English by yours truly:

4:171 People of the Book! Do not cross the line in your religion and do not speak anything against Allah except the truth. This messiah Jesus, the son of Mary, was Allah’s messenger and fulfillment of word, He had conveyed to Mary and a soul from Him.

So believe in Allah and his messengers. Do not say,“Three”! Desist! It would be better for you. Indeed Allah is the only One God. He is too high in glory to have a son. To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is on earth, and Allah is enough as a Guardian. "

So, the ruh or the soul of Jesus came from God. In other words, God gave life to the zygote or the foetus of brother Jesus.

"Kalimatim-min-allah " means "word from Allah" and "Kalimatim-minhu" means "word from Him". It is still from Allah.

Allah NEVER said in Qur'aan, "Jesus is my soul or my spirit or my word".

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#155733 Dec 8, 2012
Addendum for Gilchrist, Buford

I refer to these verses again.

"4:171 People of the Book! Do not cross the line in your religion and do not speak anything against Allah except the truth. This messiah Jesus, the son of Mary, was Allah’s messenger and fulfillment of word, He had conveyed to Mary and a soul from Him.

So believe in Allah and his messengers. Do not say,“Three”! Desist! It would be better for you. Indeed Allah is the only One God. He is too high in glory to have a son. To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is on earth, and Allah is enough as a Guardian. "

In the Arabic text, there is no definite article for messiah.

Transliterated, it reads together as: "Inna-mal-maseeh"

It cannot be transliterated as "Innam-al-maseeh" to show an article 'al' in there.

The Christian polemicists misquote and twist it to show as if a definite article was used for messiah. That is wrong.

The point is that there is no need to find the so-called son of God in Qur'aan. There is no place for son of God in Qur'aan and Islam.

There is also no need to twist and distort verses because in 4:171 God already denies that he has a son.

Please tell Gilchrist and other polemicists to read other blunt verses instead of wasting time on 4:171 and here is a big one:

17:111 Translation by polemicist George Sale:

"And say, praise be unto God, Who hath not begotten any child; Who hath no partner in the kingdom, nor hath any to protect him from contempt: And magnify Him by proclaiming his greatness."

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#155734 Dec 8, 2012
Buford wrote:
Jesus is the word of God, not (as Muslims generally teach) in the sense that he was created by divine fiat, by the word of God, but in the sense that he is the one who expresses the mind and will of God most fully to men. Through Jesus, God has spoken and acted in a unique way.(Chapman, You Go and Do the Same, p. 81).
If Christ were a Word of God, it would be clear that He was only one expression of God's will; but since God Himself calls Him "the Word of God", it is clear that He must be the one and only perfect expression of God's will, and the only perfect manifestation of God.(Zwemer, The Muslim Christ, p. 37).
The Qur'an says no more of Adam than that "he learnt from his Lord words of inspiration" (Surah 2.37), that is, the kalimaat were sent down mir-rabbihi, "from his Lord", but in the case of Jesus it is said that he himself is the kalimatullah, the "Word of God". As there is, nonetheless, no explanation of the title in the Qur'an, we shall have to turn, as we did with the title Al-Masih, to the Christian Bible to find its real meaning and see how it can be used as a typical point of agreement between Christians and Muslims upon which a Gospel witness can be based.
Jeremiah would definitely provide some fun about the "word of God" or the "Word of God".

Jeremiah 1:4 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying: 5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee, and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee; I have appointed thee a prophet unto the nations.

11 Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying:'Jeremiah, what seest thou?' "

Jeremiah 7:1 "The word that came to Jeremiah from the LORD, saying: 2 Stand in the gate of the LORD'S house, and proclaim there this word, and say: Hear the word of the LORD, all ye of Judah, that enter in at these gates to worship the LORD."

Was that Jesus, who went to Jeremiah?
uhuh

Spain

#155735 Dec 8, 2012
"ALL of Israel have a share in the world-to-come, as stated 'Your people are ALL righteous, they shall inherit the land forever'(Isa 60:21)" (mishnah Sanh 90a) oral Torah

every Jew has a "portion" waiting for him, no worries
even a secular Jew or a wicked Jew will get his portion albeit of smaller size (so long you are not an apostate Jew)
Qadir mengal

Islamabad, Pakistan

#155736 Dec 9, 2012
SIGNS OF ALLAH IN SOLAR SYSTEM

Who Mengal.

The earth rotates on its axis at one thousand miles an hour; if it turned at one hundred miles an hour, our days and nights would be ten times as long as now, and the hot sun would then burn up our vegetation during each long day, while in the long night any surviving sprout would freeze.

Again, the sun, source of our life, has a surface temperature of 12,000 degrees Fahrenheit, and our earth is, just far enough away so that this 'eternal fire" warms us just enough and not too much! If the sun gave off only one-half its present radiation, we would freeze, and if it gave half as much more, we would roast.

The slant of the earth, tilted at an angle of 23 degrees, gives us our seasons; if it had not been so tilted, vapors from the ocean would move north and south, piling up for us continents of ice. If our moon was, say, only 50 thousand miles away instead of its actual distance, our tides would be so enormous that twice a day all continents would be submerged; even the mountains would soon be eroded away.
Qadir mengal

Islamabad, Pakistan

#155737 Dec 9, 2012
THIS WORLD IS TEST AND TOIL.
Quran-LXVII—
2-He Who created Death
And Life, that He
May try which of you
Is best in deed:
And He is the Exalted
In Might, Oft-Forgiving.-

According to Quran man has been sent to earth for toil and test. The rules of creator for every body are equal and same. Quran further clears this position that the men only get that, for which he make effort and hard works. Either for this world or for the next world, he earns that, for which he tries or work. According to rules the Lord give each person two chances in his life for making him and his children to become prosperous in this life, It is up to that person who avail the chances for him or for his children. God Almighty never destined for certain group of people to be wealthy and others be poor for all times. It is for person to avail the chances and facilities which he gets. However certain people work hard for him and his children so they get their share of hard working but some people do miss chances for himself and for his children And god Almighty according to rules and facility which they avail test them. However the succeeds those who become succeed on the Day of Judgment, Loss and utter loss for those who still wandering in doubts despite of evidence and reaching of Message to them through His Messengers. So it is time to leave the way lead for utter loss the loss which could not be compensated.

TERRORISM AND ISLAM

The very teaching of Islam or Holy Quran (book
Qadir mengal

Islamabad, Pakistan

#155738 Dec 9, 2012
TERRORISM AND ISLAM

The very teaching of Islam or Holy Quran (book of Islam) gives with following directions


“O; People or mankind indeed we have created you from single man and women. Than we made you(different) nation and caste so that you identify to each other. Actually in the sight of Allah the most respectable or Hon'ble of you are that who is God cautious or fearing. Indeed Allah is all knowing and acquainted all things”.


Look this teaching of Islam or Quran, where do give place terrorism? these teaching i.e. teachings of Islam declares all mankind as brother who are progeny of single father and mother i.e. Adam and Eve.
Qadir mengal

Islamabad, Pakistan

#155739 Dec 9, 2012
RADICAL ISLAM

Radical Islam actually searching its roots which west has destroyed after breaking the caliphate of Muslims in Turkey? Since than there exists no any Islamic political system, which guide the Muslim Omah as a whole nor there is a any Madresa(school), where Islamic political system be taught as a subject, in result the Islamic students and radicals on basis of little knowledge about penal and civil laws trying to correct the society which is not possible, and further more interference of west in Muslim countries has deteriorated the Islamic world. Again the Flowing of money through N.G.O,s further has aggravated the situation which is altogether not acceptable to these students and clerks as such same has snatched the peace of Muslim world including the West, It would be better that Islamic world should be left to regulate their own affairs through their legal system and west should avoid to interfere and try to implement of their own system, than one can expect the peace and harmony in west and Islamic world.
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#155741 Dec 9, 2012
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Edited for brevity
Answering Gilchrist, the ignorant fool!
Please inform Gilchrist that there are no caps or capital letters in Hebrew, Aramaic and Arabic.
The only UNIQUENESS of Jesus in Islam is, that he was the son of Mary, whom no man touched and she conceived Jesus by God's command. No man fathered Jesus.
In Qur'aan, Jesus is not the Word, WHICH IS USED IN CAPS by Christianity. That biblical word Word, has no place in Qur'aan.
In 4:171, the "word" was the message sent to Mary that she would conceive a child. And that word or promise was fulfilled. And Mary did not deliver 'a word or message', which was conveyed through Gabriel. She delivered baby Jesus.
Here is a translation in modern English by yours truly:
4:171 People of the Book! Do not cross the line in your religion and do not speak anything against Allah except the truth. This messiah Jesus, the son of Mary, was Allah’s messenger and fulfillment of word, He had conveyed to Mary and a soul from Him.
So believe in Allah and his messengers. Do not say,“Three”! Desist! It would be better for you. Indeed Allah is the only One God. He is too high in glory to have a son. To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is on earth, and Allah is enough as a Guardian. "
So, the ruh or the soul of Jesus came from God. In other words, God gave life to the zygote or the foetus of brother Jesus.
"Kalimatim-min-allah " means "word from Allah" and "Kalimatim-minhu" means "word from Him". It is still from Allah.
Allah NEVER said in Qur'aan, "Jesus is my soul or my spirit or my word".
Proven: you make it up as you go.

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