Who Is Allah?

[STEFANO COLONNA]

Alex123 aka WM wrote:

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First go away and learn some English.
Then you will understand these very simple concepts.
Can you describe the 7th dimension in human terms?
Try it!

There you go with Straw man fallacy.

[Mahmood]

STEFANO COLONNA wrote:

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There you go with Straw man fallacy.

Dont waste your time with this Alexia guy. This convert quotes the Bible like a banshee but when it comes to the Koran, he is a complete dud. I doubt if he has ever read the Koran.

[Buford]

LOL!

[10 th LIGHT HORSE WA]

STEFANO COLONNA wrote:

ANY CONTRADICTION?
Let's give a look to the quranic verses 2:62 and 4:150-151 to verify whether or not there is contradiction.
Quran 2:62
Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.
Quran 4:150-151
Those who deny Allah and His messengers, and (those who) wish to separate Allah from His messengers, saying: "We believe in some but reject others": And (those who) wish to take a course midway,-
They are in truth (equally) unbelievers; and we have prepared for unbelievers a humiliating punishment.
If the above translations are correct we do read that in Quran 2:62 Christians and Jews, ect will have a good reward, paradise, whilst Quran 4:150-151 says that those who believe in some prophets and reject others will have a harsh punishment.
The reality is that Christians and Jews reject Muhammad's claim, that according to Quran, he's a prophet of god. That means they will have a bad punishment, as said in Quran 4:150-151 but Quran 2:61 says they will have a good reward, for the simple reason they are Christians and Jews.
The two verses are in obvious contradiction.

Bit of a contradiction about old Muhummad sticking it to Aeisha at 9 yrs old if you know what I mean

[Mahmood]

Alex123 aka WM wrote:

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Not a problem!
Allah has always been there mr. clever boy.
The "Christian" worship a man called Jesus (idol worship)believing him to be YhWh.
Now what does that tell you?
Imagine if in a few thousand years time YhWh is not worshipped by the non-gentiles, and then suddenly one pious non-gentile brings YhWh back into play, will you say that even "idolators" believed in YhHh?
I hope you understand a bit of theology put in laymen's terms.
I don't wish to confuse you with churchy jargon!
Good mental health.

All Jews and Christians believe in Allah and the last day. They just dont accept Mohammad as an apostle of God. Allah is just another name for god.

[MUQ]

Eric wrote:

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OK, deep breath. Inhale, exhale.
MUQ has posted the entire Gospel of Barnabas twice before. He is starting again. He complains when others cut and paste, but sees nothing wrong with taking up two panels with stuff he has posted twice before.
In the US for a long time the Summer was a time for TV re-runs. Since then, summer re-runs has been a colloquialism for repeating one self over and over. MUQ meets that hands down.

What is wrong if I repost it again? How much of the "earlier post" do you remember?

I do it just to register "my presence" on the thread. That I am watching the exchanges. Otherwise people might think that I am not present.

I do not like "perpetual discussions" as other people do posting hundreds and thousands of posts and then go back to "Square Zero"!!

I there fore start another book and post one or two pages per day so people can read and think and comment (those who follow the subject).

And I feel there is nothing wrong in it.

[MUQ]

Excerpts from the Gospel of Barnabas- Part-0 (Introduction)(Contd.)

G. How the Manuscript of this Gospel was discovered: That is in itself a very interesting topic, I will mention a few details. Mention of Gospel of Barnabas is mentioned in many old books, it was included in the list of Banned Books issued by Pope in 5th Century CE.

1. In 1709 CE, One Mr. Kramer, who was attached to the court of King of Prussia , got a copy of this Gospel of Barnabas written in Old Italian language. He got it from a wealthy man of Amsterdam who valued it highly. Kramer presented this as a gift to Prince Eugene, from there it reached to Royal Library in Vienna and is still present there.

2. Then in early 18th Century, Dr, Helman got another copy of this Gospel in Spanish language, which was the translation of that Old Italian manuscript. This was seen by famous Orientalist George Sale, who has quoted something from it, in his English translation of Quran.

3. Translation from Italic to Spanish was done by Mr. Mustafa Aranady, who wrote an introduction detailing as to how the Italian Copy of GOB was discovered. It is a really interesting story in itself.

4. It transpires that sometimes in 16th Century, Father Framerino got some letters of Bishop Areneous, in one of them, he criticized Paul in no uncertain terms, and mentioned that Gospel of Barnabas shows the real position of St. Paul. From that time, father Frameriono was on the look out for this Gospel.

5. Somehow he got very close to Pope Sextus –V , and one day he visited the Pope’s library in Vatican. It so happened that Pope fell asleep and Framerino started looking at books in the Library waiting for Pope to wake up.

6. The first book which he took was Old Italian Translation of Gospel of Barnabas. Frameriono smuggled it out from the library hiding it in his sleeves. That was how the world came to know about the existence of This Gospel.

7. The Spanish manuscript of GOB is no more available, but those who have seen both Italian and Spanish copies (for example , Dr. Hewitt in 1784) mentioned that except slight mistranslations at one or two places, Italian and Spanish copies are more or less same.

8. So what we have before us is the Old Italian Manuscript of GOB, from which it has been translated into English, Arabic and other world languages.

It was indeed a miracle of God, that despite so many hands bend upon its destruction, GOB some how survived and is in our hands.

H. Accusations that this Gospel is 16th Century Forgery:

1. The sole basis of this objection is that it its Ch. 82 V 18, there is a statement that “Jubilee year which comes now in every 100 years, Messiah will make it annual feast”.

2. Christians say that only period in which Jubilee year was celebrated in 100 years was only between 1300-1350, so its writer must be of around that period. If we take that as sole basis for checking authenticity of this book, then we should use the same standard to check other Biblical books also. We find so many times mentioned in biblical books, that this village was known in old times as this, or till our time, such and such things are happening.

3. It is clear that some translator would have added this note while translating the manuscript, as they justify about such sentences in other biblical books.(Contd.)

[Greg]

george whyte wrote:

your allah says muslims are the best of manking

I checked the verse it doesnt mention "muslims" at all. YOU are the best of mankind, on the condition that you promote righteousness AND prevent evil among society. Sounds good.

[bmz]

Mahmood wrote:

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Just give me your interpretation of the line below. Please note that the word "messengers" is in plural form according to all translations available.

4:150 - Lo! those who disbelieve in Allah and His messengers,.....

What is there to interpret?

Of course, the word messenger IS in PLURAL.

Anyway, I will try my best to do an exegesis of that line.

THOSE refers to the people, who DO NOT believe in Allah and it also refers to people, who also DO NOT believe in the MESSENGERS, who were sent by Allah.

And what does 4:152 say? Please try to explain.

[bmz]

STEFANO COLONNA wrote:

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It's more easy to make understand an issue to an ass than to bmz.
In other posts you and him have affirmed that in the past you used to talk about it, many times, and the result was he ignored the evident contradiction. In his last post he asked you to re-quote the quranic verses you cited, to give you his explication, but we know it was enough to go one pagine back or take them directly from internet, he didn't. That should tell you he's a time waster and not sincere person.

In my humble opinion you should give up any confrontation with him, being himself a person unable to face any problem related to his religion.

The best example that I can give to show what you are, is as follows:

You are like a donkey laden with books but does not know how to read and understand.

What does 4:152 say? Explain instead of braying!

[zmb]

and fckface mohammad flew to jerusalem on al-buraq thinking the was a muslim colony....f. him and f. islam.

[Eric]

MUQ wrote:

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What is wrong if I repost it again? How much of the "earlier post" do you remember?
I do it just to register "my presence" on the thread. That I am watching the exchanges. Otherwise people might think that I am not present.
I do not like "perpetual discussions" as other people do posting hundreds and thousands of posts and then go back to "Square Zero"!!
I there fore start another book and post one or two pages per day so people can read and think and comment (those who follow the subject).
And I feel there is nothing wrong in it.

Actually I remember quite a bit--at least enough to know that you posted it twice before.

So, the truth be known. You post and repost and repost merely to get attention. It is narcissism on your part.

You don't want comment or discussion on what you post. Anytime someone comments on what you post you tell them to take it up with the author.

[Eric]

MUQ wrote:

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In that case it would be best for you and your friends to "ignore" my posts, same way I do about most of your posts.
These threads are a bit like bulletin boards. Different people post their messages, Those interested comment, others ignore.
A good time is had by all concerned!!
Why you become so serious? Are most of the posts serious?

Again, you don't want comment. Anytime someone comments you tell them to take it up with the author. You post on a take it or leave it basis.

[STEFANO COLONNA]

Mahmood wrote:

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Dont waste your time with this Alexia guy. This convert quotes the Bible like a banshee but when it comes to the Koran, he is a complete dud. I doubt if he has ever read the Koran.

Although he claimed to have been a priest I doubt he's a convert since his knowledge of the Bible is quite low to be a former priest...

[Buford]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Muh...

Mahomet (French: Le fanatisme, ou Mahomet le Prophète, literally "Fanaticism, or Mahomet the Prophet") is a five-act tragedy written in 1736 by French playwright and philosopher Voltaire. It made its debut performance in Lille on 25 April 1741. The play is a study of religious fanaticism and self-serving manipulation based on an episode in the traditional biography of Muhammad in which he orders the murder of his critics. Voltaire described the play as "written in opposition to the founder of a false and barbarous sect to whom could I with more propriety inscribe a satire on the cruelty and errors of a false prophet".

Voltaire also ascribes to Muhammad a brutality that "is assuredly nothing any man can excuse" and suggests that his following stems from superstition and lack of enlightenment.

[STEFANO COLONNA]

10 th LIGHT HORSE WA wrote:

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Bit of a contradiction about old Muhummad sticking it to Aeisha at 9 yrs old if you know what I mean

That is not contradiction but an act of pedophilia committed by Muhammad, and all the Muslims are ready to minimize the event.

ANOTER CONTRADICTION FROM QURAN

Quran 3:42 3:45
And [mention] when the angels said, "O Mary, indeed Allah has chosen you and purified you and chosen you above the women of the worlds.
[And mention] when the angels said, "O Mary, indeed Allah gives you good tidings of a word from Him, whose name will be the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary - distinguished in this world and the Hereafter and among those brought near [to Allah ].

Quran 19:17-19
And she took, in seclusion from them, a screen. Then We sent to her Our Angel, and he represented himself to her as a well-proportioned man.
She said, "Indeed, I seek refuge in the Most Merciful from you,[so leave me], if you should be fearing of Allah ."
He said, "I am only the messenger of your Lord to give you [news of] a pure boy."

In the 3rd chapter aforementioned it were many angels to visits Mary and announce her that she will conceive a baby, whilst in the 19th chapter the announcer angel is just one. So how many they were that day? The thousandth contradiction in Quran!

[STEFANO COLONNA]

Buford wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C riticism_of_Muhammad
Mahomet (French: Le fanatisme, ou Mahomet le Prophète, literally "Fanaticism, or Mahomet the Prophet") is a five-act tragedy written in 1736 by French playwright and philosopher Voltaire. It made its debut performance in Lille on 25 April 1741. The play is a study of religious fanaticism and self-serving manipulation based on an episode in the traditional biography of Muhammad in which he orders the murder of his critics. Voltaire described the play as "written in opposition to the founder of a false and barbarous sect to whom could I with more propriety inscribe a satire on the cruelty and errors of a false prophet".
Voltaire also ascribes to Muhammad a brutality that "is assuredly nothing any man can excuse" and suggests that his following stems from superstition and lack of enlightenment.

Voltaire is right! I also add that if a person claim to be prophet or messenger of god and this person to convert the others use the violence against many people, then that is the sign he's charlatan or his god is not almighty.

Since it's impossible to believe that an almighty entity can act in this rdiculous way, I prefer to think that the pseudo prophet is a charlatan, to say the least.

[Mahmood]

Alex123 aka WM wrote:

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you still haven't understood it.
I think you are struggling to comprehend something very simple by looking for a complicated answer!
There is no contradiction.
This is not the thread for it..but still there is no contradiction.
I have given the answer to stephano but he did not understand it!

Forget Stefano, answer me. Why do you think there is no contradiction?

[Mahmood]

bmz wrote:

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What is there to interpret?
Of course, the word messenger IS in PLURAL.
Anyway, I will try my best to do an exegesis of that line.
THOSE refers to the people, who DO NOT believe in Allah and it also refers to people, who also DO NOT believe in the MESSENGERS, who were sent by Allah.
And what does 4:152 say? Please try to explain.

Forget 4:152 for now. Lets stick to 4:150. Do Christians, Jews, and Sabians believe in all the Messengers?

[Alex123 aka WM]

Mahmood wrote:

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Forget Stefano, answer me. Why do you think there is no contradiction?

Now let us see....
Where is the contradiction?

1. Jews who are the Children of those who rejected Prophet Jesus the messenger of God, but properly follow Judaism as it was BEFORE Prophet Jesus and Prophet Muhammed. They still believe in God and the Last Day, and work righteousness.

2. Jews who are the Children of those who accepted Prophet Jesus as JUST the messenger of God but NOT God (the disciples for example did exactly that). They still believe in God and the Last Day, and work righteousness. Their "religion" was practised BEFORE prophet Muhammed.

3. Others who accept Jesus as Messenger of God but NOT God and those who believe in God and the Last Day, and work righteousness.
These can be BEFORE or AFTER Muhammed. BEFORE Muhammed they were loosely referred to as "Christians" and AFTER Mhammed they are loosely referred to as Muslims.

4. Quran clearly refers to those who worship Jesus or anything other than God as non-believers even if they believe in the Last Day, and work righteousness.

5. Those who rejected the messengers when sent to them will have to explain their actions to God at the right place and time.

6. Those who worship a naked man as God or son of God do NOT believe in God. They will have to explain their "faith" to God at the right place and time.

Hope you can work with this.