Who Is Allah?

Aug 24, 2007 Full story: The Brussels Journal 215,270

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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Buford

Hurricane, WV

#154817 Nov 24, 2012
Palestinian Propaganda "Map" Exposed
http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/17...
dr fill

Mount Prospect, IL

#154818 Nov 24, 2012
MUQ wrote:
To: aka 123
Thank you brother for your post on Zionism. It would have been better if you would have posted, each page one day.
So people could study it and give their comments.
You have done an excellent job, tough.
Salaam
MUQ
Ok my towel headed friend.Allah was invented by the sumerians so we wouldnt find out we were slaves created by the sumerians by tweeking their dna.We were just gold miners for them.No god,No phony bible storys just plain old labor.They thought we would be pissed if we knew we were slaves so they went with the "God" or "Allah" cover story.It worked for a long time didnt it? Well now days after we discovered ancient writings that predate the bible storys we know better.Now loosen up your turbin and relax.Nobodys your enimey. We're all in the same boat so lets make the best of it ok?

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#154819 Nov 24, 2012
MUQ wrote:
http://www.usislam.org/00hist. htm
History of Truth, The Truth about God and Religions, By:Dr. Adel M. Elsaie, Ph.D. Part-
9.4 Solar System in the Quran
Many references exist in the Quran about the difference in nature between stars, as generating light, and planets, as reflecting light.
History of Truth, huh?
MUQ wrote:
Surah 25, Ayah 61 "Blessed is He Who made constellations in the skies, and placed therein a lamp, and a moon giving light."
Surah 71, Ayah 16 "And (He) made the moon a light in their midst, and made the sun as a (glorious) lamp."
The Quran makes clear a distinction between the sun and the moon. The sun is referred to in many verses as a lamp, which is a device that generates light, heat, and radiation. The Quranic choice of the word "lamp" is an incredibly accurate representation of the sun, regardless of the difference in the light producing process. The moon is referred to as an object in the sky that is lighted up, but it does not generate light by itself.
The word lamp is a modern term, that quranic translators used freely to translate a certain arabic word with it. And not surah 71:16 does not say moon is a lighted up celestial body, this is something added once again by translators, written between parenthesis, to minimize the mistake.
MUQ wrote:
In a reference to the planets, Allah says:
Surah 24, Ayah 35 "Allah is the Light of heavens and the earth. The parable of His Light is as if there were a niche and within it a lamp. The lamp enclosed in glass: the glass as it were a brilliant star (planet)" The actual Arabic word in the above Ayah is planet; however the English translation refers to the planet as star.
So is it a planet or star? Btw you said in reference to PLANETS but I only see Earth and a brillant star (planet). Where are the references to other planets?
MUQ wrote:
Equilibrium and Orbits
The equilibrium of the universe is referred to in the following short Ayat:
Surah 55, Ayah 5-7 "The sun and the moon follow courses (exactly) computed; And the star and the trees - both (alike) bow in adoration. And the Firmament has He raised high, and He has set up the Balance (of Justice)"
Man is not a secret that moon and and sun follow course. This was visible to anyone with eyes. What yu don't know is why. You think because Allah ordered so.
MUQ wrote:
We now understand that these Ayat refer to the laws discovered by Kepler and Newton. These laws bear witness to Allah’s Wisdom and also His favors to His creatures. We all benefit from the energy and light, the seasons, and the numerous changes in the tides and the atmosphere.
It's interesting to note that Quran never mentions the motion of Earth but only of sun and moon that were evident even to people that lived 500,000 years ago.
MUQ wrote:
The divine equilibrium of the skies discovered by Newton in 1687 had not been realized in the seventh century. Yet the Creator of equilibrium revealed one of His favors to humanity.
The equilibrium of the stars and planets requires an orbital motion that each should follow. Therefore, in other Chapters in the Quran, a clear mention of the orbital motion is presented:
Newton didn't discover skies or equilibrium of skies. He knew only one sky. Quran does not talk about any orbital motion in arabic version.
MUQ wrote:
Surah 21, Ayah 33 "It is He Who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon: All (celestial bodies) swim along, each in its rounded course (orbit)."
Grammatical speaking as posed here all celestial bodies would include night and day, which is silly.
MUQ wrote:
Surah 36, Ayah 40 "It is not permitted to the sun to catch up the moon, nor the night outstrips the day
The issue here is on the word permitted, which include that someone is not allowing the sun to catch up the moon.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#154820 Nov 24, 2012
Buford wrote:
Palestinian Propaganda "Map" Exposed
http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/17...
Thanks for exposing the 'propaganda map' and let all of us cut Israel back to the original size as per the second map. Your cooperation would be highly appreciated.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#154821 Nov 24, 2012
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
The issue here is on the word permitted, which include that someone is not allowing the sun to catch up the moon.
Here is 36:40 in Italian. Translate this in English to the best of your abilities:

"Non sta al sole raggiungere la luna e neppure alla notte sopravanzare il giorno. Ciascuno vaga nella sua orbita.

Which one of these translations would you be able to comprehend. You are PERMITTED to choose.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#154822 Nov 24, 2012
G-D is only giving, TheTorah again here in IT. so do any of you, know the name of story here in IT. that youy all, are mentally not here in again.

and why am i, always the only people here in TheTorah. the only people here in TheTorah today, is only TheHisSon adam again. as TheHis-story, peats and repeats.

a lot of talking critters, but only one people again today. in the difference between TheHis Story, and your hiss-story.

you can either choose, to be with G-D here in TheTorah. or choose to be against being here in TheTorah from G-D. pick, one!

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#154823 Nov 24, 2012
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Here is 36:40 in Italian. Translate this in English to the best of your abilities:
"Non sta al sole raggiungere la luna e neppure alla notte sopravanzare il giorno. Ciascuno vaga nella sua orbita.
Which one of these translations would you be able to comprehend. You are PERMITTED to choose.
Yes I'm permitted to choose, unlike you muslims.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#154824 Nov 24, 2012
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
The Americans could have been the first Nazis::::
The Zionists were considered terrorists prior to 1948, by both the British and Americans.
It is interesting to consider that if the Americans had been conducting their self-righteous, anti-terrorist campaign during the early 1900's, they would have been tossing those Daisy Cutter and other adorable bombs with cute names all over Palestine in order to kill the Zionists and defend both the Palestinians and the British.
The Americans would have been killing Jews before Hitler came to power.
The Jews benefitted from Hitler more than from Moses?????
The Zionist movement changed dramatically when Hitler came to power.
The Nazis considered the Jews to be a menace to society.
When the Nazis first acquired power in 1933, they confiscated businesses from the Jews and harassed them.
The Nazis wanted the Jews to get out of Germany.
The Zionists also wanted Jews out of Europe and into Palestine to help with the creation of Israel.
With so many people wanting to get Jews out of Europe, it is not surprising that many of the Jews reacted by leaving Germany.
The flow of Jews out of Germany helped the Zionist movement because some of those Jews decided to join the Zionist cause.
Some of those Jews moved to Britain where they assisted in outsmarting the British government officials into allow Jews to move to Palestine.
Some Jews moved to America where they assisted in outsmarting the Americans government officials.
Other Jews moved to Austrialia, Canada, and other nations, where they they assisted in outsmarting those governments.
Sometime after 1940 the Nazis decided that driving the Jews into the neighboring nations was not solving the Jewish problem since many Jews were refusing to leave Germany.
The Nazis decided to put those stubborn Jews into concentration camps.
After World War Two was over the Jews would remind Chrisitan West of the concentration camps and use them to gain pity from everybody on the planet.
(many nations and many people have suffered more and even today..but their plight is nothing compared with this)
Of course, there is evidence that Zionists were creating anti-semitism in order to drive Jews to Israel.
The Zionists were willing to sacrifice thousands of innocent Jews in order to help Israel develop.
From 1945 onward, the world has become saturated with sad stories about the Holocaust.
It seems as if every Jewish author has written at least one book, play, or article about the
Holocaust.
It seems as if every Jewish moviemaker has created at least one Holocaust movie.
It is difficult to get through a single day in America without hearing at least one reference to Nazis or Holocaust victims.
Consider just a few more examples of how the Jews use Hitler:
• Saddam was described as “the Hitler of the Mideast”.
• In 1984 Nathan Perlmutter of the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith, and Nat Hentoff of the Village Voice, referred to Minister Farrakhan as a "Black Hitler." http://abbc.com/islam/english/toread/farrfact...
• In May 2001 the President of Syria complained about Israel's occupation of Syria and Palestine. The next day many people in the media referred to him as a Hitler.http://www.mediamonitor s.net/khodr46.html
rabbee: does not matter what all you terrorists, say about each other. it only really matters, what G-D actually says about it. when their appears to be, a great, great, great discrepancy, between your vain judgements and G-D'S Judgement.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#154825 Nov 24, 2012
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes I'm permitted to choose, unlike you muslims.
Hello, Non-Muslim,

I wrote:

"Here is 36:40 in Italian. Translate this in English to the best of your abilities:

"Non sta al sole raggiungere la luna e neppure alla notte sopravanzare il giorno. Ciascuno vaga nella sua orbita.

Which one of these translations would you be able to comprehend. You are PERMITTED to choose. "

You did not translate the verse in Italian, into English. Why?

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#154826 Nov 24, 2012
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Hello, Non-Muslim,
I wrote:
"Here is 36:40 in Italian. Translate this in English to the best of your abilities:
"Non sta al sole raggiungere la luna e neppure alla notte sopravanzare il giorno. Ciascuno vaga nella sua orbita.
Which one of these translations would you be able to comprehend. You are PERMITTED to choose. "
You did not translate the verse in Italian, into English. Why?
1)I don't have to translate in italian because it is yet in italian.

2)I don't have to translate it into english only because you want so.

3)My answer of before where I discussed shortly about the word permitted was referred to what MUQ posted, who posted an english version of Quran taken from a Dr, or pseudo Dr, and the latter in his "History of Truth" used the word permitted.

4)Even the italian version lets presuppose that behind that thing there is a god that has established things in that manner, making therefore acceptable the using of the word permitted used by other translators, altough that word is not used in the italian version.

Greetings by the greatest infidel.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#154827 Nov 24, 2012
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
<quoted text>
1)I don't have to translate in italian because it is yet in italian.
2)I don't have to translate it into english only because you want so.
3)My answer of before where I discussed shortly about the word permitted was referred to what MUQ posted, who posted an english version of Quran taken from a Dr, or pseudo Dr, and the latter in his "History of Truth" used the word permitted.
4)Even the italian version lets presuppose that behind that thing there is a god that has established things in that manner, making therefore acceptable the using of the word permitted used by other translators, altough that word is not used in the italian version.
Greetings by the greatest infidel.
Greetings,

Anyone can pick up any translation but even the greatest infidel should be wise enough to comprehend.

What is so difficult to understand in that verse?

If it is full moon at midnight, can the sun quickly rise and appear? If it is midnight, can it be day all of a sudden?

Everything has to follow the course. That is the essence of the message.

You can choose another word, if you do not like the word 'course'. You are permitted or allowed to do that.

Buford

Hurricane, WV

#154828 Nov 24, 2012
bmz wrote:
Thanks for exposing the 'propaganda map' and let all of us cut Israel back to the original size as per the second map. Your cooperation would be highly appreciated.
From the linked site: http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/17...

- Mulk: privately owned in the Western sense.

- Miri: Land owned by the government (originally the Ottoman crown) and suitable for agricultural use. Individuals could purchase a deed to cultivate this land and pay a tithe to the government. Ownership could be transferred only with the approval of the state. Miri rights could be transferred to heirs, and the land could be sub-let to tenants. If the owner died without an heir or the land was not cultivated for three years, the land would revert to the state.

- Mahlul: Uncultivated Miri lands that would revert to the state, in theory after three years.

- Mawat (or Mewat): So-called “dead”, unreclaimed land. It constituted about 50 to 60% of the land in Palestine. It belonged to the government.…If the land had been cultivated with permission, it would be registered, at least under the Mandate, free of charge.

By the early 1940s Jews owned about one third of Mulk land in Palestine and Arabs about two-thirds. The vast majority of the total land, however, belonged to the government, meaning that when the state of Israel was established, it became legally Israel’s.(I believe that about 77% of the land was owned by the government, assuming 6 million dunams of private land as shown in this invaluable webpage on the topic from which I got much of this information.)

To say that the green areas were “Palestinian” land is simply a lie.

Now the next one:(Map 2)

While this (Map 2) is an accurate representation of the partition plan, it has nothing to do with land ownership. The entire purpose of this map is to make it appear that Israel has been grabbing Arab land consistently, to serve as a bridge between maps 1 and 3. What is not said, of course, is that Israel accepted the partition and the Arabs did not, so as a result Israel in 1949 looked like it does in map 3.

Map 3 is still a lie, however, because in no way was the green land “Palestinian” at that time. Gaza was administered by Egypt and the West Bank annexed by Jordan. No one at the time spoke about a Palestinian Arab state on the areas controlled by Arab states – only in Israel.

In other words, this progression of maps is a series of lies meant to push a bigger lie, and it is tragic that a lot of people believe them to be the truth.
__________
Be that as it may, "I never believe what you say, MUSLIM HATER. I only believe that you hate Muslims." ~ bmz of Singapore
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#154829 Nov 24, 2012
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
<quoted text>
1)I don't have to translate in italian because it is yet in italian.
2)I don't have to translate it into english only because you want so.
3)My answer of before where I discussed shortly about the word permitted was referred to what MUQ posted, who posted an english version of Quran taken from a Dr, or pseudo Dr, and the latter in his "History of Truth" used the word permitted.
4)Even the italian version lets presuppose that behind that thing there is a god that has established things in that manner, making therefore acceptable the using of the word permitted used by other translators, altough that word is not used in the italian version.
Greetings by the greatest infidel.
rabbee: well it is rather debatable, as too who is the greatest infidel between the two of you. but one would suppose, it is the one who is the most wrong according to G-D.

so i guess that is why, muslems kill each other. all self inflicted, fatal wounds between muslem infidels. there is got to be, something really wrong with that. as it is not possible to have, a muslem as a friend according to their own antiG-D scripture.

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#154832 Nov 24, 2012
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Greetings,
Anyone can pick up any translation but even the greatest infidel should be wise enough to comprehend.
What is so difficult to understand in that verse?
If it is full moon at midnight, can the sun quickly rise and appear? If it is midnight, can it be day all of a sudden?
Everything has to follow the course. That is the essence of the message.
You can choose another word, if you do not like the word 'course'. You are permitted or allowed to do that.
Are you trying to hide the problem by not mentioning it? It's clear that the matter is that the celestial bodies cannot catch up eachothers because Allah wants so.

This is the matter I disagree with, the responsible of that non-catch up is Allah, and not just Adel M. Elsaie meant so by using the word permitted, but also the Quran points out to Allah as determinator like obvious in previous verses:

36:38 And the sun runs [on course] toward its stopping point. That is the determination of the Exalted in Might, the Knowing.

36:39 And the moon - We have determined for it phases, until it returns [appearing] like the old date stalk.

Aside the big mistakes present in both the verses Allah is not the determinator of nothing here. This is silly. That's why for example I asked to MUQ if he knows why the moon and the sun follow a course. I expect from him a non-answer or an answer like Allah did that, displaying his ignorance accompanied by a God Gap Theory.

Moreover Dr Adel uses Quran 36:40 to tell us tha Quran knew yet about Gravity Force. It sounds a desperate attempt knowing that Quran does not mention any force, formula at all, nor does advance any explanation for that course nor mention the course of our planet or the existence of other planets and their orbits, or the existence of a solar system, but just make a little and vague mentions to the courses of certain bodies, that were known by anyone who had at least one eye, but certain Muslims love to paint their holy book bigger than what that is, with their conjectures.

In the Antarctic and Arctic Circle you can watch the sun at midnight during the summer, it's not a secret they (sun and moon) can catch up, by the way. It sounds like Allah and you never knew this.

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#154833 Nov 24, 2012
rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
<quoted text>
rabbee: well it is rather debatable, as too who is the greatest infidel between the two of you. but one would suppose, it is the one who is the most wrong according to G-D.
so i guess that is why, muslems kill each other. all self inflicted, fatal wounds between muslem infidels. there is got to be, something really wrong with that. as it is not possible to have, a muslem as a friend according to their own antiG-D scripture.
If they kill eachoters then there is a chance Islam will disappear once for all.
visitor

Brussels, Belgium

#154834 Nov 24, 2012
ALLAH = AL'LAH

Al = THE

LAH = GOD

So Allah stands for "THE GOD"

Yah = Lah

not one of The GODS but "The GOD"
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#154835 Nov 24, 2012
Why Hamas “Loves Death”—And Cease-Fires
http://www.rightsidenews.info/2012112217445/e...

Excerpt:

Connected with the notion of jihad is the distinction between dar al-harb (territory or “house” of war) and dar al-islam (house of Islam). The latter includes all territories subject to Moslem authority. It is in a state of perpetual war with the dar al-harb. The inhabitants of the dar al-harb are harbis, who are not answerable to the Islamic authority and whose persons and goods are mubah, that is, at the mercy of Believers. However, when Muslims are in a subordinate state, they can negotiate a truce with the Harbis lasting no more than ten years, which they are obliged to revoke unilaterally as soon as they regain the upper hand, following the example of the Prophet after Hudaibiyya.

Abiding the teachings of Islam’s prophet Muhammad, Hamas’ leadership, jihadist rocketeers, and homicide bombers, fully supported by the pious Muslim masses who empower Hamas, continue to demonstrate they “love death”—especially if their “martyrdom” kills or terrorizes Israeli Jews. Also consistent with Muhammad’s example, and the actions of jihadists worldwide across space and time, when these tactics of jihad terror are thwarted, Hamas pleads for a cease-fire (or “hudna”), to regain a tactical advantage, pending renewal of its jihadist aggression.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#154836 Nov 24, 2012
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you trying to hide the problem by not mentioning it? It's clear that the matter is that the celestial bodies cannot catch up eachothers because Allah wants so.
This is the matter I disagree with, the responsible of that non-catch up is Allah, and not just Adel M. Elsaie meant so by using the word permitted, but also the Quran points out to Allah as determinator like obvious in previous verses:
36:38 And the sun runs [on course] toward its stopping point. That is the determination of the Exalted in Might, the Knowing.
36:39 And the moon - We have determined for it phases, until it returns [appearing] like the old date stalk.
Aside the big mistakes present in both the verses Allah is not the determinator of nothing here. This is silly. That's why for example I asked to MUQ if he knows why the moon and the sun follow a course. I expect from him a non-answer or an answer like Allah did that, displaying his ignorance accompanied by a God Gap Theory.
Moreover Dr Adel uses Quran 36:40 to tell us tha Quran knew yet about Gravity Force. It sounds a desperate attempt knowing that Quran does not mention any force, formula at all, nor does advance any explanation for that course nor mention the course of our planet or the existence of other planets and their orbits, or the existence of a solar system, but just make a little and vague mentions to the courses of certain bodies, that were known by anyone who had at least one eye, but certain Muslims love to paint their holy book bigger than what that is, with their conjectures.
In the Antarctic and Arctic Circle you can watch the sun at midnight during the summer, it's not a secret they (sun and moon) can catch up, by the way. It sounds like Allah and you never knew this.
KEEP ON DIVERTING SPINNING!

I have already explained 36:40 to you. Job done. I am not discussing Dr. X or Dr. Y.

You could not even translate 36:40 in Italian, into English. Do that and then talk to me.

Since: Aug 12

Adana, Turkey

#154837 Nov 24, 2012
Our Allah(c.c) is yours God . Same :)

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#154838 Nov 24, 2012
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>From the linked site: http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/17...
- Mulk: privately owned in the Western sense.
- Miri: Land owned by the government (originally the Ottoman crown) and suitable for agricultural use. Individuals could purchase a deed to cultivate this land and pay a tithe to the government. Ownership could be transferred only with the approval of the state. Miri rights could be transferred to heirs, and the land could be sub-let to tenants. If the owner died without an heir or the land was not cultivated for three years, the land would revert to the state.
- Mahlul: Uncultivated Miri lands that would revert to the state, in theory after three years.
- Mawat (or Mewat): So-called “dead”, unreclaimed land. It constituted about 50 to 60% of the land in Palestine. It belonged to the government.…If the land had been cultivated with permission, it would be registered, at least under the Mandate, free of charge.
By the early 1940s Jews owned about one third of Mulk land in Palestine and Arabs about two-thirds. The vast majority of the total land, however, belonged to the government, meaning that when the state of Israel was established, it became legally Israel’s.(I believe that about 77% of the land was owned by the government, assuming 6 million dunams of private land as shown in this invaluable webpage on the topic from which I got much of this information.)
To say that the green areas were “Palestinian” land is simply a lie.
Now the next one:(Map 2)
While this (Map 2) is an accurate representation of the partition plan, it has nothing to do with land ownership. The entire purpose of this map is to make it appear that Israel has been grabbing Arab land consistently, to serve as a bridge between maps 1 and 3. What is not said, of course, is that Israel accepted the partition and the Arabs did not, so as a result Israel in 1949 looked like it does in map 3.
Map 3 is still a lie, however, because in no way was the green land “Palestinian” at that time. Gaza was administered by Egypt and the West Bank annexed by Jordan. No one at the time spoke about a Palestinian Arab state on the areas controlled by Arab states – only in Israel.
In other words, this progression of maps is a series of lies meant to push a bigger lie, and it is tragic that a lot of people believe them to be the truth.
__________
Be that as it may, "I never believe what you say, MUSLIM HATER. I only believe that you hate Muslims." ~ bmz of Singapore
I was referring to Map 2. So, please start cutting and trimming Israel back to the size that the UN agreed.

Shall we?

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