Who Is Allah?

[Black Thunder 42]

SeasideSoon wrote:

<quoted text>Yes, it's amazing isn't it? But when I have those moments, I like to recall Sam Kinnison who questioned in his unique way, why we were sending food to Africa. "Why are we sending food?? What do you see here?? SAND! F-n SAND! Why aren't we sending U-Hauls??"
A little extreme, I agree. But the basic concept is sound. If we simply keep giving people money, while allowing our education system to produce a generation of uneducated "victims", what can we expect?

U-Hauls?

[Black Thunder 42]

bmz wrote:

<quoted text>
Skeptic was made in the image of 'revel' on the other thread.

Yes. They must have the same brain surgeon.

[MUQ]

http://www.usislam.org/00hist.htm
History of Truth, The Truth about God and Religions, By:Dr. Adel M. Elsaie, Ph.D. Part-

7.2 The Doctrine of the Son of God

In the Hebrews 7:3 there is a dramatic story about Melchisedec:
"Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, or end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually."

Melchisedec was the king of Salem and a priest of God. He met and blessed Abraham, Genesis 14:17-24. According to the above verse he is eternal, with no beginning or end, with no father or mother. He was in a position to bless Abraham. He was made like the Son of God. What more can you ask for a God? According to the Christian logic in the Bible, Melchisedec should be the Son of God or even god himself. He is more unique than Jesus or Abraham or Adam. None of these prophets are eternal.

Why is Melchisedec very much unknown to the Christians? A person with his credential should be more famous than Jesus! Some may argue about the verse "like unto the son of God" that he is like but not actually the Son of God. In this case, who would confirm that the word "like" was not added to the text, and who would confirm the authenticity of this whole part of the Hebrews, or who was the real author of this part? As usual this story is completely changed in other versions of the Bible. For example without mother changed to his mother was unknown!

Jesus called himself son of man and refused to be called Son of God:

Luke 4:41 "And the devils also came, out of many, crying out, and saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God"

It is clear here that the devils attempted to call Jesus as Son of God, but he refused that title, as the devils knew Jesus was the Christ. Jesus even refused to be called "the Christ of God", and called himself the son of man,(Luke 9:20-22)

Jesus was the expected Messiah and a prophet. Humans escalated and promoted him from a teacher to a prophet to the Son of God, and finally to God himself.

Teacher:

John 3:2 "The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God..."

Prophet:

Matthew 21:11 "And the multitude said, this is Jesus the prophet of Nazareth of Galilee."

Luke 7:16 "That a great prophet is risen among us."

Luke 24:19 "Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a great prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people."

John 6:14 "This is of a truth that prophet that should come into the world."

John 7:40 "Many of the people therefore, when they heard his saying, said, of truth this is the prophet."

Luke 13:33"Nevertheless I (Jesus) must walk to day, and to morrow, and the [day] following: for it cannot be that a Prophet perish out of Jerusalem."

Son of God:

Acts 9:20 "And straightway he (Paul) preached Christ in the synagogues, that he (Jesus) is the Son of God."

God:

John declared Jesus as God at the start of his Gospel.
The following verses describe the human Jesus in his own words:

Jesus’ Words:

John 7:16 "My doctrine is not mine, but His that sent me."

John 14:24 "The word which ye hear is not mine but the Father’s which sent me."

Jesus’ Will:

John 4:34 "My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work."

Luke 22:42 "Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me, nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done." (Contd)

[Skeptic]

Black Thunder 42 wrote:

<quoted text>
>>>Yes, I realize that you accept the virgin birth as historical fact, and it is all but vital to your religious doctrine as it has evolved to the present. This has been a heated argument since Constantine, within and without the church fathers and among scholars. As you already know, I do not subscribe to such a belief, but researched it to understand the religion's history. We can discuss this further as an article, as it has far reaching effects, even bringing into question the trinity as it relates to the Christ. Perhaps this is not the proper place to indict and trial the issue, unless someone wishes to use it as argument evidence against the religion of Islam.
I appreciate your candor, and will return that respect equally. I will appreciate discussion with you...

How come the Quran contradicts Gods Holy Bible?
I am challenging you with my question against the religion of Islam?
If Gods Holy Bible is not the eternal word of God as Muslims claim it is not, then why is it not the eternal word of God?

[MUQ]

http://www.usislam.org/00hist.htm
History of Truth, The Truth about God and Religions, By:Dr. Adel M. Elsaie, Ph.D. Part-

7.2 The Doctrine of the Son of God

Jesus’ Power:

John 5:30 "I can of mine own self do nothing; as I hear, I judge; and my judgment is just, because I seek not mine own will but the will of the Father which hath sent me."

John 13:16 "The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him."

Matthew 20:23 "But to sit on my right hand and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father."

Jesus’ Knowledge:

Matthew 24:36 "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, not the angels of heaven, but My Father only."

Mark 13:32 "But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father."

Jesus’ Status:

Matthew 7:21 "Not everyone that saith unto me,'Lord, Lord,' shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he that doeth the will of My Father which is in heaven."

Mark 10:18 "And Jesus said to him, "Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is, God"

John 8:50 "And I seek not mine own glory; there is One that seeketh and judgeth."

Many Christians believe that Jesus is the Son of God and God. From the above verses, it is clear that Jesus denied being God or the Son of God. It now leaves the Christians who believe that Jesus is God to provide just one single verse in the Bible where Jesus says, "I am God." God in the Old Testament declared, "I am God" over 200 times.

It is obvious that Jesus called himself son of man; the people called him teacher and prophet; the devils called him Son of God; Paul called him son of God in the Jewish sense; and John called him God using the Greek philosophy. In Matthew 10:24, Jesus, after calling himself as the son of man, he continued to claim the highest honor of being the servant of God:

"The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord."

Who was Jesus?

Jesus, son of Mary, was a mighty prophet and servant of God.

(Contd.)

[rabbee yehoshooah adam]

NotQuiter wrote:

<quoted text>Right. I'm not saying we shouldn't give to the cause of our choice, or causes, but the world really DOES have enough money and resources to fix itself. They (it) just don't want to do it.

rabbee: sorry but there shall never be enough money and resources, to ever fix the world against G-D. since you are all denying, TheOnly True FIXER here in TheTorah.

[SeasideSoon]

Black Thunder 42 wrote:

<quoted text>U-Hauls?

Too young to remember Sam Kinnison?

http://www.comedyontap.com/jokes/kinison/skjo...

[rabbee yehoshooah adam]

Black Thunder 42 wrote:

<quoted text>If that is what you wish to do, that's fine-so long as it causes no harm to another.
If someone someone solicits me to buy a bridge, and I have any interest, I want to know that it is theirs to sell, and that it is sound and properly represented by the seller.

rabbee: everything you say and do, not really true to G-D. does bring harm, to others.

why else, would muslems bring harm to themselves and others with their untrue to G-D message?

why else do alleged christians, hurt each other and others?

why else would jews, hurt each other and others?

why else would, the ussr fail? why else would the united states be failing now?

why else would, nazi germany fall?

why else were the jews, sent into the captive diaspora?

why else would we be having, school massacres and other terrorist acts?

why else would we have cancer, and other plague conditions?

why else would we, have war continiously?

unless there is somthing wrong, with their messages in a way not true to G-D.

[rabbee yehoshooah adam]

SeasideSoon wrote:

<quoted text>Why do you continue to mislead us? I won't pick on John Paul, but the rest are fair game - you can find pictures of them bowing to statues of Mary.

rabbee: if anything in their church is wrong, then so is john paul.

[rabbee yehoshooah adam]

Skeptic wrote:

<quoted text>
That explains your ignorance and your intolerance to truth.

rabbee: two intollerances in opposition, does not constitute either as being true to G-D.

[Black Thunder 42]

Skeptic wrote:

<quoted text>How come the Quran contradicts Gods Holy Bible?
I am challenging you with my question against the religion of Islam?
If Gods Holy Bible is not the eternal word of God as Muslims claim it is not, then why is it not the eternal word of God?

I don't know. I am not well versed in the Quran. How about you tell me?

I will say this: Your book can not possibly be the "eternal" word of god. If it were, it would not have been argued about in several councils of men, revised in several councils of men, contain hundreds of contradictions, have been banned by the RCC itself, and never have mentioned other gods if there were only one god (You shall have no other gods before me). That should be sufficient enough for the moment.

[rabbee yehoshooah adam]

Xcaliber wrote:

<quoted text>
If the New Testament is a fabrication since Nicaea 325 because the Church at that time adopted the Apostles Creed which makes reference to the Virgin Birth of Jesus, in that Mary miraculously became pregnant without a human father, then doesn't this also mean the Quran cannot possibly be all-inspired word of God since it also makes reference to the same allegedly fabricated Virgin Birth. Again, below is a quote from the Quran 3:47 stating that Mary conceived without a human father:
<quoted text>
http://www.muslimaccess.com/quraan/arabic/003...
Given the above, if the Catholic Church fabricated the Virgin Birth dogma in A.D. 325 then why does the Quran repeat the same fabrication? How did the false doctrine of the Virgin Birth scenario end up in the Quran despite the consistent argument by Muslims that the Quran is the all-inspired word of God and thus contains no errors?
By the way, again, my view is that St. Ignatius's letter proves the Virgin Birth dogma was already established by A.D. 110; however, I am merely addressing the Virgin Birth dogma from your perspective in that you state it appeared in A.D. 325.

rabbee: well i am sure you are all confused, about TheVirgin birth of Adam here in TheTora again.

[Black Thunder 42]

SeasideSoon wrote:

<quoted text>Too young to remember Sam Kinnison?
http://www.comedyontap.com/jokes/kinison/skjo...

Absolutely not. I am retired.

SS said>>>A little extreme, I agree. But the basic concept is sound. If we simply keep giving people money, while allowing our education system to produce a generation of uneducated "victims", >>what can we expect?<<

BT42 said>>>U-Hauls?< <<

[truth]

Why 7 billions citizen exist in life?

poor so poor conclusion..

7 billions alive citizen exist..

o yes yes yes

you need blessing

be bless
be bless
be bless

[rabbee yehoshooah adam]

Buford wrote:

<quoted text>Everybody wants to rule the world.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

rabbee: well none of you, have impressed G-D enough to take over my assignment. so that it could be, the story with steve and helen or whatever. so that you could lie and call them, mr. jesus and eve for a change.

[rabbee yehoshooah adam]

HughBe wrote:

<quoted text>
Buford--Yep, if the virginal conception of Jesus is a lie, then Mohammad is a false prophet
HughBe--- If it is true, then Mohammad is a true prophet?

rabbee: but if His Name is actually Adam, then your all wrong about mr. jesus and his wife eve.

[truth]

Why Abraham need blessing?

be bless
be bless
be bless

[rabbee yehoshooah adam]

Buford wrote:

<quoted text>I get it. Your nice and kind God WILL destroy the wicked, but NOT eternally, as though this makes any difference at all.
I'd ask you to think about it, but what's the point?

rabbee: well i am sure, that if that person goes into oblivion. the job opening, is still available from the devil. and there is always somebody, dumb enough to take it.

[Black Thunder 42]

rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:

<quoted text>
rabbee: everything you say and do, not really true to G-D. does bring harm, to others.
why else, would muslems bring harm to themselves and others with their untrue to G-D message?
why else do alleged christians, hurt each other and others?
why else would jews, hurt each other and others?
why else would, the ussr fail? why else would the united states be failing now?
why else would, nazi germany fall?
why else were the jews, sent into the captive diaspora?
why else would we be having, school massacres and other terrorist acts?
why else would we have cancer, and other plague conditions?
why else would we, have war continiously?
unless there is somthing wrong, with their messages in a way not true to G-D.

I realize you can see that something is amiss in the world. I think your appropriation of the blame is unsound reasoning.

[rabbee yehoshooah adam]

Buford wrote:

<quoted text>In this thread I don't challenge the Jews on their history and what YHWH may or may not have ordered them to do, except to say that if Jesus is the embodiment of YHVH, then what YHVH may or may not have ordered the Jews to do in securing Canaan as their home was necessary in the plan of salvation for the entire human race.

rabbee: ha! yeah right, as if G-D did not command obama to be this nations president. because were screwed up, enough to deserve it. and we foolishly still think, we are in charge...