Who Is Allah?

[Rabbi Cohen]

Timin wrote:

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I'm a Muslim, but I do have many Jewish friends. The western world always dwells on the hatred between Jews and Arabs, but in reality there are many of us who are great friends.
We need to band together to get the Christian missionaries out of Israel.

What most of us fail to see is the similarity between our religions and how some evil people are using us to promote their form of "democracy" and other selfish agenda. It is in their best interest to keep us fighting because they seem to want us to destroy ourselves and our religions.
We are doing a lot of work on promoting peace and holding dialogues with Missionaries. Thank you for your support.
We (Jewish-Moslem unity)are best placed to unite the People of Abraham by removing misconceptions.
There are many good Christians who work with us.

[Rabbi Cohen]

enough42 wrote:

Abdullah ibn Saud was one of the main scribes of muhammad, he concluded that the quran had been written by muhammad and not by allah. He was later executed in mecca like most of those who had decided to leave islam.
http://numberonestars.com/koran/mohammad2.htm

Awww..are you happy now Rajesh? What a buffoon you are.
Who will believe a liar like you!

[Timin]

Rabbi Cohen wrote:

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What most of us fail to see is the similarity between our religions and how some evil people are using us to promote their form of "democracy" and other selfish agenda. It is in their best interest to keep us fighting because they seem to want us to destroy ourselves and our religions.
We are doing a lot of work on promoting peace and holding dialogues with Missionaries. Thank you for your support.
We (Jewish-Moslem unity)are best placed to unite the People of Abraham by removing misconceptions.
There are many good Christians who work with us.

In my experience, most Christians always have a hidden agenda: promoting their teachings of Jesus.

[Rabbi Cohen]

Timin wrote:

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In my experience, most Christians always have a hidden agenda: promoting their teachings of Jesus.

Yes, unfortunately it is true. We are not saying others dont do it either but the way it is done can be a bit under handed thus confusing our youth both in USA and Israel.

[Rabbi Cohen]

Timin wrote:

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In my experience, most Christians always have a hidden agenda: promoting their teachings of Jesus.

Here is a bit of good news....
Qatar Commended for Rare Interfaith Meeting:
http://www.christianpost.com/article/20080517...

More than a dozen rabbis, including two from Israel, were in attendance this week as this conservative Muslim sheikdom opened one of the Gulf's first scholarly centers dedicated to interfaith dialogue.
Lazar, the Tel Aviv rabbi, said he is no politician but will carry his warm impressions from the conference back to his students and synagogue _ as he hopes Muslim clerics will, too.

Lazar said one Palestinian researcher at the conference confronted him about Israeli textbooks that were, in his words, promoting hatred of Palestinians among Israeli Jewish children.

"My challenge to him was, let us meet together ... and together we'll look at our textbooks, the Jewish textbooks, the Muslim textbooks and the Christian textbooks in Palestine and Israel _ and together we'll find if they're educating children toward hate," he said.

[Timin]

Rabbi Cohen wrote:

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Here is a bit of good news....
Qatar Commended for Rare Interfaith Meeting:
http://www.christianpost.com/article/20080517...
More than a dozen rabbis, including two from Israel, were in attendance this week as this conservative Muslim sheikdom opened one of the Gulf's first scholarly centers dedicated to interfaith dialogue.
Lazar, the Tel Aviv rabbi, said he is no politician but will carry his warm impressions from the conference back to his students and synagogue _ as he hopes Muslim clerics will, too.
Lazar said one Palestinian researcher at the conference confronted him about Israeli textbooks that were, in his words, promoting hatred of Palestinians among Israeli Jewish children.
"My challenge to him was, let us meet together ... and together we'll look at our textbooks, the Jewish textbooks, the Muslim textbooks and the Christian textbooks in Palestine and Israel _ and together we'll find if they're educating children toward
hate," he said.

Interesting, indeed.

[enough42]

Rabbi Cohen wrote:

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LOL...we tell them but they force their view on us and tell us we are wrong!
NT in its present form is probably not what Jesus intended.
G-d is one and He is not a man. He did not make a son out of Himself.

Rabbi you forgot to change your nick to deen the muslim and you posting on the sabbath, LOL

[No Taqiyya]

Timin wrote:

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Allah is the God of Jesus, as He is your God...accept Allah the One and Only!

Allah is not the God of the BIble,,
The Dead Sea Scrolls have proven thw Gospels to be authentic. The Text of Scroll 4Q246 - the Son of God Scroll:

"He shall be called the son of God,
and they shall designate [call] him son of the Most High.
Like the appearance of comets, so shall be their kingdom.
For brief years they shall reign over the earth and shall trample on all;
one people shall trample on another and
one province on another until the people of God shall rise and all shall rest from the sword."

Compare the words in the scroll 4Q246 text to the inspired words found in Luke 1:32 and 35: "He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David... And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God" (Luke 1:32-35).

Anyone comparing these two first century texts will be startled by the amazing similarity of concept and wording describing the Messianic leader. One of the great differences between Christian and Jewish conceptions of the promised Messiah revolves around His relationship to God. While the Jews believe the Messiah will be a great man, such as Moses, with a Divine mission, the Christians believe that the Bible teaches that the Messiah would be uniquely "the Son of God." The Jewish view usually held that the concept of a "son of God" violated the primary truth of monotheism found in Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord." The Christians believed that Jesus' claim to be the Son of God was not a violation of Deuteronomy 6:4. Rather, Christians believe in the Trinity, the doctrine that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are revealed in the Bible to be One God, revealed in three personalities. As Christians, we do not believe in three separate gods. Therefore, Christians understand the statements about Jesus as the Son of God to be in complete conformity to the truth of monotheism - there is only one God.

[No Taqiyya]

"Qur'an commentators identify Dhu'l-Qarnain with Alexander the Great of Macedonia as he is the closest in his travels, wisdom, and [Islamic] prophethood to the description." The problem with that theory is Alexander was a pagan. He said that he was a sun god, and he died in a drunken stupor. He never mentioned Allah, the moon god of Mecca, nor visited his rock pile of a house.

So as not to let facts get in our way, let's listen to what Muhammad claims Allah had to say in his perfect book. Qur'an 18:83 "They will ask you of Dhu'l-Qarnain. Say:'I shall recite something of his story.' Verily We established his power on earth and gave him the ways and means to all ends. He followed a course until he reached the setting place of the sun. He found it setting in a spring of hot, black, muddy water." Remember, Muhammad wasn't very smart, and his god's inspiration wasn't of any value. Earlier in the Hadith we read that the sun set each night in a muddy spring. The Qur'an is verifying that "truth."

The Islamic "scripture" goes on to say: "And he found near the murky spring a people thereabout." In an adjoining Hadith, Muhammad explained that the "people" who lived near the sun's muddy-spring-setting-place were extraterrestrials: Tabari I:236 "Allah created two cities out in space.... Were those people not so many and noisy, all the inhabitants of this world would hear the loud crash made by the sun falling when it rises and when it sets. Gabriel took me to them during my Night Journey from the Sacred Mosque [the Ka'aba] to the Farthest Mosque [the Jewish Temple which was no longer on Mount Moriah]. I told the people of these cities to worship Allah but they refused to listen to me." I wonder if this proves that extraterrestrials are more advanced than humans?

Now that you know which "people" Alexander was visiting and that neither Allah nor Muhammad can be trusted, we'll return to their Qur'anic fairytale: "We (Allah) said (by inspiration):'O Dhu'l-Qarnain, either you punish them or treat them with kindness.'" For a frame of reference: Allah is offering this capricious advice to Alexander the Great as he surveys beings living around the murky spring in which the sun goes to bed at night. Qur'an 18:87 "He said:'Whoever does wrong (a disbeliever in Allah), as for him [the extraterrestrial] we [Alexander's Greek troops] shall punish; then shall he be sent back to his Lord and He will punish him with a terrible torture unheard of (before). But as for him who believes [in what, Alexander was a pagan] and works good, he shall have the best reward [from whom, Alexander worshiped the sun], and we (Dhu'l-Qarnain) shall speak mild words unto him." Since the Qur'an opens with a series of harsh rants followed by demented threats and concludes with orders to mutilate and murder all who resist, he couldn't have quoted from Allah's book. And since Alexander is famous for being history's greatest warrior, it's safe to say his words were no milder than: "punish him with a terrible torture unheard of (before)."

[Timin]

No Taqiyya wrote:

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Allah is not the God of the BIble,,
The Dead Sea Scrolls have proven thw Gospels to be authentic. The Text of Scroll 4Q246 - the Son of God Scroll:
"He shall be called the son of God,
and they shall designate [call] him son of the Most High.
Like the appearance of comets, so shall be their kingdom.
For brief years they shall reign over the earth and shall trample on all;
one people shall trample on another and
one province on another until the people of God shall rise and all shall rest from the sword."
Compare the words in the scroll 4Q246 text to the inspired words found in Luke 1:32 and 35: "He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David... And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God" (Luke 1:32-35).
Anyone comparing these two first century texts will be startled by the amazing similarity of concept and wording describing the Messianic leader. One of the great differences between Christian and Jewish conceptions of the promised Messiah revolves around His relationship to God. While the Jews believe the Messiah will be a great man, such as Moses, with a Divine mission, the Christians believe that the Bible teaches that the Messiah would be uniquely "the Son of God." The Jewish view usually held that the concept of a "son of God" violated the primary truth of monotheism found in Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord." The Christians believed that Jesus' claim to be the Son of God was not a violation of Deuteronomy 6:4. Rather, Christians believe in the Trinity, the doctrine that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are revealed in the Bible to be One God, revealed in three personalities. As Christians, we do not believe in three separate gods. Therefore, Christians understand the statements about Jesus as the Son of God to be in complete conformity to the truth of monotheism - there is only one God.

This all means nothing unless you can prove that Jesus was the Messiah according to Judaic prophecy, and as we've shown, he didn't fulfill one.

[ian banner staffs]

Rabbi Cohen wrote:

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ALL Jewish people KNOW Jesus did not fulfil the prophecies. He is NOT the Messiah of the Jews.

They did not know at the time,But they will come to learn that Jesus is their messiah,The messianic Jewish movement is growing,And no they are not christians.God Bless Israel.

[Oh Tham Eng]

No Taqiyya wrote:

#355 OH THAM ENG, There is a being in a Muslims brain that connects to his heart and eyes that shuts out every truth. It is called a demon. They conveniently pick and choose whatever taqiyya they can to support their sad religion made by their liar prophet. This they do because they don't want to get their head lifted. You can show them what a bastard Moe was, how he murdered, had sex with a child, lied against all God's prophets, raided innocents, committed adultery, rape, and used his position as self-made prophet to fulfill every lusts he had, including making himself the object of prayers, called,''shirk''. Whatever he did in their prejudiced minds he said was was of God. He had not one single prophet who agreed with him. It is the mesmerizing spirit of Abaddon, or Apollyon in Revelation 9. They are gripped by its power.

WHY DO MOST MUSLIMS LOVE THEIR QURAN AND RELIGION OF ISLAM TO INCITE DEEP HATRED IN THEMSELVES, AND FOR THE CAUSES OF THEIR BACKWARDNESS AND BENIGHTEDNESS, BUT NOT FOR THE SOLUTIONS TO THEIR SELF-ACCURSED STATE?

Hi “No Taqiyya”, you have been doing a great job writing numerous and detailed posts in Topix’s many forums pertaining to Islam! Keep it up! But the problems your post #355 highlighted are not my greatest worry. My greatest worry is that though there are certainly many virtues in their Prophet Mohammed (s.a.w) and good teachings in their Quran, sadly the upside-down minds of the mindless and gullible Muslims do not seem able or willing to accept all those goodness or to show their faith in them. That's why I am having such a big problem rallying Muslims to join with non-Muslims like me and with their Yemeni Muslim brethren to show faith and to help me promote the goodness of their Quran, such as the prayer of Prophet Suleiman in An-Naml 27:19 and Al-Hujurut 49:13.

But just four days ago, on 15th May, through an email to the Commander of Singapore Traffic Police, I shared with them the beautiful Prayer of Prophet Suleiman; consequently I succeeded yet again to help a poor motor-cyclist offender in his appeal over a traffic offence he had committed. How do I know? Because they replied my email to thank me for my input; they also expressed their willingness to show compassion to the offending motor-cyclist.

Now, if I, a non-Muslim, have so much faith in the goodness of their Quran and have repeatedly succeeded in using its goodness to help others solve many problems, why must the terribly upside-down Muslims seem only interested for the evil, the backwardness and benightedness which their Quran and religion of Islam have often been so successful creating them, but not their goodness---which can be the solution to their self-accursed state, namely to free themselves from the dreadful Curse of Isthlal?

How then can I shout Allahu Akbar? Can any good Muslim care to elucidate non-Muslims on this great cosmic conundrum?

[No Taqiyya]

Timin wrote:

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This all means nothing unless you can prove that Jesus was the Messiah according to Judaic prophecy, and as we've shown, he didn't fulfill one.

I DID , I POSTED HUNDREDS.
IT Tok me hours to get them but they are there. ALL you need to do now is look at them.

[No Taqiyya]

Some Muslim who is smart please give me an answer. I wont hold my breath;
Muslims boast on their logical way of thinking. Let us see if their logic can explain away this; They say, with no proof that the Bible has been changed. The proofs show that it has not been. Look; Not only is there a mountain of historical evidence to refute Muhammad's claim, reason alone will suffice. For the Jews to have written (Allah, Muhammad, Mecca, the Ka'aba, Appeasement, Arabic, Islam, Tax, Jihad, Submit, Religion, Muslim, and the Five Pillars out of the Torah),,,, and Yahweh, the Messiah, Jerusalem, the Temple, Atonement, Hebrew, Judaism, Tithe, Love, Choose, Relationship, Jews, and the Ten Commandments in,
requires a conspiracy infinitely beyond anything the world has ever known. A total suspension of rational thought is required to believe Allah. And then there is the little problem of motivation. Why would the nation of Israel collectively and comprehensively alter the totality of their scriptures and history in an attempt to foil a conman a thousand miles away and a thousand years distant? Not to mention all the thousands of copies already distribbuted across the world at Mohammad's time. Some group would have to gathered up every single one and changed it. IMPOSSIBLE!!

[Oh Tham Eng]

Ex Christian wrote:

#97 Do you then worship, instead of Allah, that which cannot help or harm you in any way?(Qur’an, 21:66) Kamu semua macam celaka.
This word for you Oh Tham Eng in Malay.
“Mereka ingin memadamkan cahaya Allah dengan mulut mereka, namun Allah tetap
menyempurnakan cahayaNya meskipun orang-orang kafir benci”[TMQ ash-Shaff : 8]
“Sebenarnya kami melontarkan yang hak kepada yang batil lalu yang hak itu menghancurkannya, maka dengan serta merta yang batil itu lenyap..”.[TMQ Surah al-Anbiya’(21):18].
You understand Malay.

SINGAPORE IS MORE ISLAMIC THAN MALAYSIA

Hi "Ex-Christian"! So you took on a Muslim wife? Did she convert you to Islam? I am just being curious!

I only believe in the goodness of the Quran, not on its questionable and bad parts that incite hatred and evil in those who believe in it. Unfortunately, this is not the case for Malaysia. That's why Malaysia, though it is so much bigger than Singapore and so well-endowed by natural resources is so problem-riddled and impoverished after the Muslim government spent tons of the nation's wealth to Islamize Malaysia over many years, and at the expense of non-Muslims.

Not so with Singapore. Our enlightened leaders do not believe in Islamization, but in the good teachings of Islam found in the Quran and hadiths; not their bad parts. That’s why Singapore is truly more Islamic than Malaysia. That’s why they are able to spend their time attacking problems, while Islamised Malaysian leaders attack each other more than at the many problems afflicting Malaysia.

allahu akbar? You must be mentally retarded!

[Timin]

No Taqiyya wrote:

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I DID , I POSTED HUNDREDS.
IT Tok me hours to get them but they are there. ALL you need to do now is look at them.

LOL...do you not know what they are? I suggest you start reading Jewish scripture!

[Timin]

enough42 wrote:

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Rabbi you forgot to change your nick to deen the muslim and you posting on the sabbath, LOL

That would depend on what branch of Judaism a Rabbi is. Reform Rabbis would be able to post on Shabbos, and I'm not too sure, but maybe even Conservative Rabbis could.

[Timin]

ian banner staffs wrote:

<quoted text>They did not know at the time,But they will come to learn that Jesus is their messiah,The messianic Jewish movement is growing,And no they are not christians.God Bless Israel.

Messianic Jews? Define Messianic Jew. Once a Jew accepts Jesus he is then a Christian. "Frum" Jews know that Jesus didn't fulfill even one prophesy that was that was supposed to be a sign of the arrival of the Messiah. Once these signs are fulfilled by the true messiah then all people are supposed to recognize him along with many other wonderous events that will occur at his arrival.

[ian banner staffs]

Timin wrote:

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Messianic Jews? Define Messianic Jew. Once a Jew accepts Jesus he is then a Christian. "Frum" Jews know that Jesus didn't fulfill even one prophesy that was that was supposed to be a sign of the arrival of the Messiah. Once these signs are fulfilled by the true messiah then all people are supposed to recognize him along with many other wonderous events that will occur at his arrival.

Messianic Jew is someone who recognises Jesus or Yeshua as there Messiah,They are not Christians they still follow The jewish traditions and feasts,If a muslim accepts Jesus as messiah or a buddist or people from other religions they leave all there old religious practises behind and become Christians,Jesus came first for the Jewish people so how can they be christians,It is us christians who follow them.God Bless Israel.

[ian banner staffs]

Timin wrote:

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In my experience, most Christians always have a hidden agenda: promoting their teachings of Jesus.

AS a christian is is not a hidden agenda but our aim.God Bless Israel.