Before 'Noah': Myths of the Flood Are...

Before 'Noah': Myths of the Flood Are Far Older Than the Bible

There are 44 comments on the TIME.com story from Apr 1, 2014, titled Before 'Noah': Myths of the Flood Are Far Older Than the Bible. In it, TIME.com reports that:

While the Hollywood blockbuster has been a hit, it has also faced opposition from Christians and Muslims angry with its supposed misrepresentation of Biblical scripture.

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True Christian witness

Slick, OK

#24 Apr 8, 2014
Your blood is on your own head, but the Bible does warn, not to preach to swine or dogs, symbolically speaking of course.
Revelation 22:15
Warner

Birmingham, UK

#25 Apr 8, 2014
Barry Gravell wrote:
Oh, by the way, you're right about the archangel Michael. He is definitely NOT Jesus. He's Lassie. And one last correction from Satan: this is not a religious forum, it's an archaeology forum. You bizarre religionists pop up here -- mistakenly -- all the time. Are you automatically forwarded from the bonehead forum? It's quite clear that the Topix moderator is always hanging out in the break room with the pretty (except for the snaggle-tooth) Topix secretary and not paying any attention to his job. He ought to be forwarding all this cracked religious chat to the malarkey forum or better yet the rectal forum so those of us who are interested in archaeology don't have to put up with it. Um, woe to you.
You said that you represented Satan but he never puts people right. I can see that the Grave or Hell will be appropriate for you Mr Gravehell.
Atheist Silurist

UK

#26 Apr 8, 2014
True Christian witness wrote:
Your blood is on your own head, but the Bible does warn, not to preach to swine or dogs, symbolically speaking of course.
Revelation 22:15
And there's an old adage. Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining.
Sanctimonious git.

One of the stranger aspects of the religious fruitcake is the way they seem to cherish the thought of people suffering some kind of torturous punishment for not believing the same fairy tale as they do.
Atheist Silurist

UK

#27 Apr 8, 2014
Warner wrote:
<quoted text>You said that you represented Satan but he never puts people right. I can see that the Grave or Hell will be appropriate for you Mr Gravehell.
Where did they say they represent satan?

Satan,like your god are aspects of your childish imagination.

Are we hell bound for not believing Noah's ark? Are we hell bound for not accepting the whole genesis story? or accepting evolution? What about being a muslim? Hell bound?
Warner

Dublin, Ireland

#28 Apr 8, 2014
Atheist Silurist wrote:
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Where did they say they represent satan?
Satan,like your god are aspects of your childish imagination.
Are we hell bound for not believing Noah's ark? Are we hell bound for not accepting the whole genesis story? or accepting evolution? What about being a muslim? Hell bound?


Barry Gravehell said below;

And one last correction from Satan: this is not a religious forum, it's an archaeology forum.

My response;

You are not Hell bound for not understanding the Bible or thinking it's too complicated to understand. This is what the Jehovah's Witnesses teach that unless you believe in what they think the scriptures say here and there in the Bible then you are doomed.

God does not condemn people for not understanding the meaning of verses in His Book, if He did that then fools and idiots and badly educated people and people with poor spiritual sight would be doomed but He does not do that!

It is not the Bible that saves as such, it is there to teach you who the Saviour is as you should be interested in Him. You don't need to know the history of the Jews and you don't need to know about any of the Prophets sent to the Jewish Nation although it is good if you research that history. You don't need to follow any other prophets but the Saviour Jesus.

All you need to know about is Jesus and how He came to remove your sins through your repentance and believe in Him and his promise to you that He will give you a gift of the Holy Spirit as a spiritual guide in life to warn you to keep the Commandments of God. You only need believe that Jesus is your Saviour, and was Sinless and is Eternal forevermore and He will be your Judge on Judgement Day and He has bought you with his bloodshed offering. Jesus is the teacher and the Word of God and the Truth of God and the Lord of Lords and the King of Kings and no other as all things on Earth, He sits on Judgement on! If you learn about Jesus the Messiah and Christ, then He will teach you about who and what God is in personality and character.

l have said that it is the Bible that tells us about Jesus and if you believe in what Jesus says then you will be saved. You don't need to understand anything else, just understand and believe in Jesus.

As for Muslims they don't believe that Jesus is the Son of God and Divine because they think that it is not only God who is Sinless and Eternal but it is only God who is Sinless and Eternal. They believe that Mohammad, a man who broke God's Commandments repeatedly is above Jesus in status, although Mohammad is dead and he died without knowing that Jesus was the Saviour, and Mohammad is not eternal!
Helminth Westerlake

Old Lyme, CT

#29 Apr 8, 2014
TMI, Warner, and way too boring. Irrelevance is to boring as spinning your wheels is to going nowhere. Is there another way, other than hammering you with adroit insults, to get through your cretinous armor? I mean I have absolutely no investment in persuading you and your tiresome allies to abandon your pointless and delusional fixation, but I do want you all to fuck off and take your woolly bullshit to some other venue where people actually give a shit. This forum is for archaeology, which is scientifically driven, in spite of the often irresponsible articles like the one cited above. You should let people make fun of this very stupid film rather than bring your creepy, twisted religiosity to bear on the comments rational people make. Oh, by the way, I agree that the archangel Michael is not -- repeat NOT -- Jesus. But he is definitely Dwayne, who pumps gas at the local Vaquero station and enjoys a little meth on the weekends.
Laura

Riverdale, NJ

#30 Apr 15, 2014
Would you please avoid the one pejorative word "retarded"? Those who have mental handicaps really have a difficult time overcoming the added prejudices that occur when that word is used to describe the wilfully ignorant. That is not to say that you are mistaken in taking to task those who choose to believe the details presented in allegories as though they are history. But I am asking you sincerely, would you please find another word to use? For example, you could say any of these, and I would consider your choice to do so a great kindness: foolish, absurd, asinine, crazy, daffy, daft, dippy, doltish, dotty, fatuous, feebleminded, half-witted, harebrained, idiotic, dumb, insane, irrational, moronic, nutty, preposterous, obtuse, ridiculous, senseless, silly, vacuous, simple, softheaded, stupid, unintelligent, dim, dull, imbecile, pinhead, slow, stupid, backward, dense, birdbrained, dim-witted, feeble-minded, lamebrained, moronic, simple-minded, slow-witted, brainless, witless, imbecilic, dumb, wacky, weak, witless
Atheist Silurist wrote:
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I can't fathom those who take the flood fable to be literally true,and to believe it happened less than 5000 years ago seem downright retarded.
The flood fable is up there with Santa,the tooth fairy and the Easter bunny for authenticity. But millions of people still believe it to be true when they're past the age of ten.
True Christian witness

Slick, OK

#31 Apr 17, 2014
When Jesus was on earth, and he walked and preached to God's unacceptable people the Jews, he was not accepted as their promised Messiah, he was not even considered important to the religious leaders, they wanted him dead and killed him.
John 19:12

All any Jew had to do to have the hope of everlasting life was to believe in Jesus as the only begotten son of God and follow the way Jesus taught, that is all.

Today, we are not acceptable to Almighty God Jehovah, unless we accept Jesus as reigning King and God's heavenly Kingdom government as the authority we must obey in these last days. The Law of Christ is perfectly clearly written in the Bible, nothing is obscure or needs to be interpreted,
just read and obey.
John 3:36
Edgar Withit

Old Lyme, CT

#32 Apr 21, 2014
Must read and obey . . . . must read and obey . . . . must read and obey . . . . must read and obey . . . . . . .
ljhgard

Fort Wayne, IN

#34 Sep 7, 2014
I think the article was discussing the ancient origins of the Flood myth, if anyone would like to discuss that. I know I would. I'm fascinated by ancients stories that have permeated cultures across time and space.
True Christian witness

Slick, OK

#35 Sep 7, 2014
The fact remains, that ancient world of Noah was destroyed and every living thing was erased off this planet earth, except Noah and his family and the animals inside the Ark.
Matthew 24:36,37

The prophecy for the end of this world is every false religion, starting with Christendom will be destroyed, and all ungodly people will be erased off this planet earth, by Jesus our King and the armies of heaven.
Revelation 19:11-16
Elijahovah

Kenosha, WI

#36 Sep 8, 2014
Mahmood wrote:
Christians/Muslims are too embarrassed to admit that the story of the deluge and Ark is a product of fiction. Unfortunately this fable is engraved in their scripture and there is no way out for them.
The drainage rate (uplift of plate tectonics) as Genesis lays out by means of calendar dates proves that the maximum height of 15 cubits (7 meters, 22.5 feet) over Mount Ararat was acheived in 150 days not 40 days. The christening rain did not cover the mountain, the submerged baptism did and took almost 4 times longer. The ark was not near Ararat at the time to see that it hadn't gone under yet. These rates are currently scientific. Further, the day 150 is also required for drainage rate, because for Ararat to drain slow from day 40 to day 184 results in the valley still filled as a lake and surrounding both Ararat mountains as two islands at current elevation 2750 meters. It is only the drainage rate from day 150 that matches the proper speed of rising tectonics. Yes a damn many maximum pulsating earthquakes on a molten magma layer a mile thick under the 25-mile crust. This warning is here to tell you that rain and rainbows does not prevent another astral impact form creating another global flood sinking 6000-8000 feet down. Martial law will therefore guarantee the deaths of every person staying home at impact. So you have two releases of human evil, that of the 47-day warning this year, and then that of the impact. The salvation is to avoid those people by being with the proper Christian mass exodus despite this being a government defiance. See my YouTube video. The dove plucked a new olive leave from Mount Aragats (Aragac) which is 4090m elevation on day 278 when water was at what is now the 2842m elevation line. Thats an increased elevation of 842m higher after the Flood greater than the tropical preFlood greenhouse since olives of tropical Katmandu are grown at the maximum 2000m, versus Lebanese 1300m. PreFlood air pressure is double so I am surprised this is not thin air of a 4000m height that is now at a thin at 2000m. Just because the water line is at the 2842m, doesnt mean it is the height of the tree which could be at the 4000m height of the 4090m Mount Aragat, and merely budding its leaves which have been above water for 63 days from 4000m to 2842m (day 215 to 278) Noah's dates to 9-22-600 to 11-25-600 (2369bc G.June 9 =J.June 29 to G.Aug 11 = J.Aug 31), Aragats having emerged on day 210. The coincidence of the G.Aug 11 and J.Aug 31 cant help but wonder if Mayan correlation for 3114bc equates this dove with olive leaf as being the Venus Shem-Ramis (Semiramis of Venus rising like a dove in the morn before sunrise).
Elijahovah

Kenosha, WI

#37 Sep 8, 2014
ljhgard wrote:
I think the article was discussing the ancient origins of the Flood myth, if anyone would like to discuss that. I know I would. I'm fascinated by ancients stories that have permeated cultures across time and space.
The COPIES of Gilgamesh visiting Utu-Napishtim (Noah or Nu) are not as old as the COPIES of Xisuthros who speaks to Bable priests in seance after he is dead, However, logic tells you that a visit to a man before he dies, is before his spirit can talk to you in seance. The confusion comes from the fact there are two versions of Gilgamesh because it was written when Venus rises during the turnabout of Mars in Scorpio. These are the dates of Venus rising are 2040bc April 26 when Noah was 930 reaching Adam's age, and the rewritten by Babylon's king Amizaduga in 1645bc March 10. The first story has Noah with no wife. Of course, because it says Gilgamesh traveled from the city Ereck (Uruk) to Ararat (Urartu) to be told by the daughter of Noah (Ham's wife Kaba) watching the vineyard that Noah has left to live on the island in the middle of the sea in the middle of the earth (sounds like death, but it is Kittim Cyrpus in the Medi-Terranean, or middle pf earth). So Noah is a widower and is teaching men in Kittim how to build ships; though traditon places his body as going down the Euphrates River to Babylon, and then buried on the paradise island of Dilmun in the Persian Gulf as the head of the waters of the four rivers.
( http://blog.world-mysteries.com/wp-content/up... )
Of course, in 1645bc, they arenow both dead, Noah and wife and so are both in the poem. Especially since the poem includes as it does with all kings or gods, the rising planet Venus as wife of all kings. Thus the true age of the Flood story is 2040bc by 930-year old Noah because the seance of Noah's death is when he is 949 from Greek Christmas 2021bc Dec 25 (which is also 365-day Mayan new year Pop 1 because Mayans move Egyptian new year Thoth 1 from Jan 10 back to Dec 25 for that year by equating Noah as the Dec 25 winter solstice sun of 561bc, ignoring that 2021bc has a January 6 solstice sun. The 40-day seance of 2021bc ends on Persian Zoroaster Christmas Eve which is Thoth 24 and for 2020bc falls on Feb 2, which is also then Noah's 360-day calendar date 5-27 ending these 40 days, versus Noah's 3-27 ending the real Flood. And this is why Chinese 60-day calendar every year falls on 3-27 to 5-27 (as it does 1-27 and 7-27 and 9-27 and 11-27) always being the day Kiah-Tze (Jia-Zi = Kiah-Tsu = Kiah Tzu) the Rat day. So we have two Christmas, a Mayan new year, and a Chinese 60-day as four witnesses to Noah's death and its Xisuthros poem where the last king before the Flood claims that he is dead Noah in heaven. In this way Gilgamesh is then not a liar when he kept saying to Noah, you will not die, and i wish to live forever like you at 940. Do this for the people, tell us why we are getting old so fast. However, Peter too said to Jesus, you will not die today, don't say this Jesus. And Jesus then called Peter the name Satan.
Elijahovah

Kenosha, WI

#38 Sep 8, 2014
This forum needs to have editing capability because with XP now going crapola due to Bill Gates being unwilling to support the toilet paper quality he has sold for billions and now doesnt wish to wipe his S with it. And because ads take over the constant net-seeking signal to inform your location that they get a peny for and it ads up to millions of dollars having their nose up your S. Because of this, keyboards lag, letters are skipped, besides norma typo tranversals, and your submittion is then asked by others if you speak another language and English is your second. Oh well Armageddon salt water is about to change it all anyways. I go to six flags and i wonder if their coasters can survive a year of salt water.
Elijahovah

Kenosha, WI

#39 Sep 8, 2014
Atheist Silurist wrote:
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Don't piss on my back and tell me it's raining. Sanctimonious git.
One of the stranger aspects of the religious fruitcake is the way they seem to cherish the thought of people suffering some kind of torturous punishment for not believing the same fairy tale as they do.
I agree. Sad that the WatchTower teaches these people to speak this way. I am not referring to proper condemnation such as warning a fornicator of gonnorhea; i refer to the ole you'll be struck by lightning for the fornication. And then defining fornitcation the Christendom way instead of Jehovah's way. Printing orgs who don't know Jehovah shouldn't be publishing Jehovah because there are 10 men jehovah slaughtered in Sinai, hoping he not have to sluaghter 600,000 men and replace them too (which he had to do, and raised up their 600,000 sons instead). But that also goes for 10,000 who partake of heaven and can be killed by 8 men. What does Jehovah do? Does he slaughter the 8 to save the 10,000 or does he trash the 10,000 too as Mordecai had more faith than me by saying God Jehovah can trash you queen Esther and he will save his 7 million people another way. Someone should write a book "Behind the 8 ball". Did you know that while Little Christendom condemns Christmas as being pagan Nimrod's death, not Big Christendom's birth of Jesus, that while this daughter whore labels her mother whore, the WatchTower has published this lie about Nimrod when in fact Christmas is the holy sacred memorial of the death of Noah (2021bc Greek December 25) as the savior of the world because our world wouldnt exist had he not survived. Isn't it ironic that we can all say Nimrod ruined the world, ruined Noah's children, and then take the date of Noah's death, and a holy memorial of it, and claim it too is Nimrod and Satan. This could be done with Jesus too. Call it Satan and trash the memorial. Say that if you dont eat communion then you are Judas who didnt eat it either. What you wouldnt do to Jesus, why do you do it to Noah, or Abram, or Moses. Fact is the wolrd is correct, that no matter what religion you are that you worship Jesus after his death, but would curse him, spit on him, reject him if he walked and preached today. Because you claim things different than he does.
Elijahovah

Kenosha, WI

#40 Sep 8, 2014
The movie NOAH is a fabricated HOBBIT story, a Lord Of The Rings. It cannot compare to Flood myths which truly are mere misinterpretations of a reality. There are hidden truths in all Noah stories that genesis left out. These cannot be compared to false stories of Hollywood. They didnt write these stories in ancient churches to solely directly make more money as movies are for mere entertainment as false novels. Yes money is involved, but truth had its intent with however they thought they had this truth. The movie merely points out that Noah may have had other sons that he left off the ark. It however puts more of today's spirit and emoitions into it such as let us save the animals and us humans commit suicide. Or let us say the angels on earth were good. God forgave them just like he forgives Adam and Eve and curses the rest of us. The name jehovah refers to reality, a science of true cause and true effect always being promised. It is not just some fictitious promise for the future, but it is God's nature to freeze water when you want it frozen and in the method it requires to do so; as well as make things work with electricity, or melt metal down to make tools to cut trees, etc. The natural laws are God's and in all knowledge we always have liars. Jehovah is truth. To be like Jehovah is to be truth, like Jesus was. It is not a game with words. Words do not matter. Jehovah exist even without a Bible that everyone twists its words. No one's book is untwistable, and nor are anyone's words untwistable. Ignore those with a spirit to twist more and more, again and again, before they let you anser their last question. Malice is malice, it has no intent of learning from YOU. It thinks it already knows more than YOU. Baptism in ANY religion does not remove this evil from people to be this way. You have to be like Jehovah to remove it.
Rabbeen Al Jihad

Salt Lake City, UT

#41 Sep 8, 2014
SaLaamZ ! Yet another wonderful holyland story gone wrong at the hands of crosstian scribes! LOL! Most of us muslims have heard all the real stories , so , this is no surprise. Lets straighten out this bag of snakes for those that care to hear fact over fiction. First, it was a regional flood , not the hugely embellished "world wide ' flood that we,re led to believe. Secondly , Immagine ! all animal life on this planet , by twos, in a ship! The vessel alone would have to be the size of a mothership in deep space! Obvious rational dictates that it was only Noahs livestock and family that could fit onto such a small "Man Made " boat! L M A O! And Yes! there are other stories that refute the false witness of the scribes. May ALLAH lead all believers to truth! CheerZ
True Christian witness

Slick, OK

#42 Sep 8, 2014
Atheist Silurist wrote:
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And there's an old adage. Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining.
Sanctimonious git.
One of the stranger aspects of the religious fruitcake is the way they seem to cherish the thought of people suffering some kind of torturous punishment for not believing the same fairy tale as they do.
Almighty God Jehovah and his reigning King in Heaven Jesus, do not punish the wicked with fire, that is a pagan teaching, from the Catholic religion in all of Christendom.

The punishment for the deliberately disobedient children of Almighty God Jehovah is eternal death, they receive this judgement at Armageddon, the end of this world or in the Judgement day, on our new clean earth...after the resurrection of all the dead, and after this world is gone forever.
John 5:28,29
Revelation 20:12-14
Rabbeen Al Jihad

Salt Lake City, UT

#43 Sep 10, 2014
Rabbeen Al Jihad wrote:
SaLaamZ ! Yet another wonderful holyland story gone wrong at the hands of crosstian scribes! LOL! Most of us muslims have heard all the real stories , so , this is no surprise. Lets straighten out this bag of snakes for those that care to hear fact over fiction. First, it was a regional flood , not the hugely embellished "world wide ' flood that we,re led to believe. Secondly , Immagine ! all animal life on this planet , by twos, in a ship! The vessel alone would have to be the size of a mothership in deep space! Obvious rational dictates that it was only Noahs livestock and family that could fit onto such a small "Man Made " boat! L M A O! And Yes! there are other stories that refute the false witness of the scribes. May ALLAH lead all believers to truth! CheerZ
SaLaamZ ! POP-QuiZ...Which holy prophet thought it was GOD telling him to sacrifice His SON !? Until God intervened! and spank'd him for listening to Shaytan! LOL! Another banner distortion of scripture! LOL! And the HITs just keep on coming. CheerZ
ljhgard

Markle, IN

#44 Sep 11, 2014
Elijahovah wrote:
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Thus the true age of the Flood story is 2040bc by 930-year old Noah because the seance of Noah's death is when he is 949 from Greek Christmas 2021bc Dec 25 (which is also 365-day Mayan new year Pop 1 because Mayans move Egyptian new year Thoth 1 from Jan 10 back to Dec 25 for that year by equating Noah as the Dec 25 winter solstice sun of 561bc, ignoring that 2021bc has a January 6 solstice sun.
I don't see these myths as relating actual history that can be equated with dates. I believe they are based on things that actually happened, I believe there were many floods (and that the flood myth populates our collective unconscious possibly because of the rise of life out of the "primeval" waters as even in the creation myths water covered the face of the earth), but they do not record an actual history. Ancient peoples did not write these stories to record facts or intend them to be read literally.

I am curious, the Mayans moved the Egyptian new year? The Mayans were familiar with the Egyptian calendar?

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