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U.S. Ambassador views rare Sri Lankan artifacts preserved with Rs. 4 million grant

There are 36 comments on the Colombo Page story from Sep 23, 2013, titled U.S. Ambassador views rare Sri Lankan artifacts preserved with Rs. 4 million grant. In it, Colombo Page reports that:

Sept 23, Colombo: The United States Ambassador to Sri Lanka Michele Sison visited the Yatala Museum today to view rare antiquities found during the excavations of Yatala Dagaba, which were preserved with a $30,000 grant from the Ambassador's Fund for Cultural Preservation.

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CrimeaRiver

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#1 Sep 24, 2013
Siva - when you can provide physical evidence of the Tamils presence on the island then we can talk about eelam.
Siva Sankaran Sarma

Montmorency, Australia

#2 Sep 24, 2013
CrimeaRiver wrote:
Siva - when you can provide physical evidence of the Tamils presence on the island then we can talk about eelam.
Most of what you call Sinhalese and Buddhist was built by the Tamils and Tamil dynasties go and read history properly. None of the ancient kings in the island ever called themselves as Aryans or Sinhalese as they were neither. They were local or Indian Tamil Hindu or Buddhist dynasties. Sinhalese as a people only came into existence around the 9Th to 10Th century, So how can Sinhalese kings or dynasties exist without a Sinhalese people? Even after the 12Th century after the demise of the Tamil Cholas in the island when Sinhalese and Tamil kingdoms came into existence, the so called nominally Sinhalese kingdoms don south were still ruled by Tamil dynasties. This is the reason the Kandyan convention giving away the so called Sinhalese kingdom of Kandy to the British in 1815 is signed in Tamil and Sinhalese. Not just in Sinhalese.
http://www.lankanewspapers.com/news/2009/3/41...

http://www.nakkeran.com/SLDuttugemenu.htm
The Hindu and Buddhist ruins we see today at Polonnaruwa are a legacy the Cholas who ruled Lanka from 1003 A.D. to 1075 A.D. have bequeathed to us. In no other part of Lanka do we see such extensive ruins, as we see at Polonnaruwa, Sri Lanka is heavily indebted to the Cholas for their gift.
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lkawgw/sinh...
CrimeaRiver

UK

#3 Sep 24, 2013
Siva Sankaran Sarma wrote:
<quoted text>Most of what you call Sinhalese and Buddhist was built by the Tamils and Tamil dynasties go and read history properly. None of the ancient kings in the island ever called themselves as Aryans or Sinhalese as they were neither. They were local or Indian Tamil Hindu or Buddhist dynasties. Sinhalese as a people only came into existence around the 9Th to 10Th century, So how can Sinhalese kings or dynasties exist without a Sinhalese people? Even after the 12Th century after the demise of the Tamil Cholas in the island when Sinhalese and Tamil kingdoms came into existence, the so called nominally Sinhalese kingdoms don south were still ruled by Tamil dynasties. This is the reason the Kandyan convention giving away the so called Sinhalese kingdom of Kandy to the British in 1815 is signed in Tamil and Sinhalese. Not just in Sinhalese.
http://www.lankanewspapers.com/news/2009/3/41...
http://www.nakkeran.com/SLDuttugemenu.htm
The Hindu and Buddhist ruins we see today at Polonnaruwa are a legacy the Cholas who ruled Lanka from 1003 A.D. to 1075 A.D. have bequeathed to us. In no other part of Lanka do we see such extensive ruins, as we see at Polonnaruwa, Sri Lanka is heavily indebted to the Cholas for their gift.
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lkawgw/sinh...
You are being intentionally disingenuous with your reply.

You say that the none of the Kings ever called themselves Sinhalese. lol - well Jesus never called himself a Christian, does that mean Christianity is based on a lie.

And what about Raja Raja Chola era inscriptions referring to the mighty Sinhalas?

The Kandy convention was signed in Tamil because the King was Tamil, and Tnmil was the language of court

“Hindu God- Dhanwantri”

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#4 Sep 24, 2013
Siva Sankaran Sarma wrote:
<quoted text>Most of what you call Sinhalese and Buddhist was built by the Tamils and Tamil dynasties go and read history properly. None of the ancient kings in the island ever called themselves as Aryans or Sinhalese as they were neither. They were local or Indian Tamil Hindu or Buddhist dynasties. Sinhalese as a people only came into existence around the 9Th to 10Th century, So how can Sinhalese kings or dynasties exist without a Sinhalese people? Even after the 12Th century after the demise of the Tamil Cholas in the island when Sinhalese and Tamil kingdoms came into existence, the so called nominally Sinhalese kingdoms don south were still ruled by Tamil dynasties. This is the reason the Kandyan convention giving away the so called Sinhalese kingdom of Kandy to the British in 1815 is signed in Tamil and Sinhalese. Not just in Sinhalese.
http://www.lankanewspapers.com/news/2009/3/41...
On February 14, 1766, Kirthi Sri Rajasinha, the King of the Kandyan Kingdom ceded a stretch of land in the Eastern part of the island, 10 miles in width from the coast to the Dutch East India Company. The relevant maps are contained in Fr. S.G. Perera’s ‘The History of Ceylon’. Prof. James Crawford refers to this treaty in his book ‘The creation of states in international law’ as one of the earliest such agreements recorded. Prof. S Arasaratnam’s work on the Dutch Period refers to the details of this treaty and points to the issues pertaining to sovereignty.

The implication is that the Kandyan Kingdom had the right to cede that portion of land and that it continued to have sovereignty over the rest of the territory until the British obtained full control of the island in 1815.

In 1766 therefore there was no question of sovereignty of any other polity and when the relinquished sovereignty was recovered and reasserted in 1948 by the State of Ceylon it naturally reverted to the political geography prior to the signing of that treaty.

That treaty, moreover, is the genesis of the demographic realities of today’s Eastern Province where the bulk of the Tamil population lives on that 10 mile wide strip of coastal land. Their ancestors were brought there by the Dutch to grow tobacco. Even today the majority of the Grama Niladhari divisions contain a Sinhala majority population.

If the issue of homeland requires a longer throw back into the past, we can go to the 10th Century, to the golden period of Chola expansion/invasion and the invasion of the island by Raja Raja Chola in the year 993. Raja Raja Chola is also known as a builder of Hindu Temples. The inscriptions at these places, according to the Archaeological Survey of India, resolve all doubts about traditional homelands and sovereignty. The inscriptions at the temples in Tanjavur and Ukkal speak in glorifying vein that Raja Raja Chola conquered many countries, including one ‘Ila-mandalam’. The inscription elaborates that this ‘was the country of the warlike Singalas’. The plunder of wealth, one notes, is not from ‘Singalas’ who lived in ‘Ila-mandalam’(which is a corruption of ‘Sihala’ or ‘Hela’) but the land of the ‘Singalas’, whether they were warlike or not being irrelevant to the issue.

The archeological evidence shows that what is today called the Northern and Eastern Provinces were at one time the heartland of Buddhist civilization in the island. Although there have been claims that these were the work of Tamil Buddhists, the thesis is not supported outside the rhetoric.

I conclude that the claim is a fiction and one which was not only a key element of Tamil chauvinistic propaganda but a notion that stands squarely in opposition to reconciliation among communities.
Siva Sankaran Sarma

Montmorency, Australia

#5 Sep 24, 2013
CrimeaRiver wrote:
<quoted text>
You are being intentionally disingenuous with your reply.
You say that the none of the Kings ever called themselves Sinhalese. lol - well Jesus never called himself a Christian, does that mean Christianity is based on a lie.
And what about Raja Raja Chola era inscriptions referring to the mighty Sinhalas?
The Kandy convention was signed in Tamil because the King was Tamil, and Tnmil was the language of court
No he founded Christianity but was born a Jew and he did not die as per Christianity but got resurrected ascended heaven as a Jew his followers later became Christian. It started as a Jewish sect and then became a different identity. Go and read the Act sof the Apostles where they was a tussle between Peter and Paul as to whether Christians should follow Jewish customs or break away from it. Similarly Lord Buddha founded Buddhism but was not a Buddhist he was born a Hindu and died as a Hindu. Later the followers of his teachings became Buddhists.
Yes it may have been the inscription and remember it was in the 12Th century but he ruled the so called mighty Sinhalas and they were his vassal state
Siva Sankaran Sarma

Montmorency, Australia

#6 Sep 24, 2013
naIan wrote:
<quoted text>
On February 14, 1766, Kirthi Sri Rajasinha, the King of the Kandyan Kingdom ceded a stretch of land in the Eastern part of the island, 10 miles in width from the coast to the Dutch East India Company. The relevant maps are contained in Fr. S.G. Perera’s ‘The History of Ceylon’. Prof. James Crawford refers to this treaty in his book ‘The creation of states in international law’ as one of the earliest such agreements recorded. Prof. S Arasaratnam’s work on the Dutch Period refers to the details of this treaty and points to the issues pertaining to sovereignty.
The implication is that the Kandyan Kingdom had the right to cede that portion of land and that it continued to have sovereignty over the rest of the territory until the British obtained full control of the island in 1815.
In 1766 therefore there was no question of sovereignty of any other polity and when the relinquished sovereignty was recovered and reasserted in 1948 by the State of Ceylon it naturally reverted to the political geography prior to the signing of that treaty.
That treaty, moreover, is the genesis of the demographic realities of today’s Eastern Province where the bulk of the Tamil population lives on that 10 mile wide strip of coastal land. Their ancestors were brought there by the Dutch to grow tobacco. Even today the majority of the Grama Niladhari divisions contain a Sinhala majority population.
If the issue of homeland requires a longer throw back into the past, we can go to the 10th Century, to the golden period of Chola expansion/invasion and the invasion of the island by Raja Raja Chola in the year 993. Raja Raja Chola is also known as a builder of Hindu Temples. The inscriptions at these places, according to the Archaeological Survey of India, resolve all doubts about traditional homelands and sovereignty. The inscriptions at the temples in Tanjavur and Ukkal speak in glorifying vein that Raja Raja Chola conquered many countries, including one ‘Ila-mandalam’. The inscription elaborates that this ‘was the country of the warlike Singalas’. The plunder of wealth, one notes, is not from ‘Singalas’ who lived in ‘Ila-mandalam’(which is a corruption of ‘Sihala’ or ‘Hela’) but the land of the ‘Singalas’, whether they were warlike or not being irrelevant to the issue.
The archeological evidence shows that what is today called the Northern and Eastern Provinces were at one time the heartland of Buddhist civilization in the island. Although there have been claims that these were the work of Tamil Buddhists, the thesis is not supported outside the rhetoric.
I conclude that the claim is a fiction and one which was not only a key element of Tamil chauvinistic propaganda but a notion that stands squarely in opposition to reconciliation among communities.
Oh the copy and paste lying clown has returned. Hello Lorenzo from the extremist Sinhalese rag Lanka Web. How is that bitch Shenali Waduge. Waduge do you know the meaning of the word? It means that racist extremist bitch is a Karawa whose Fishermen ancestors migrated from Northern Tamil Nadu Southern Andhra. SO called Vadugu or Wadugu another word for Telugu , SO Waduge means from the Telugu house. Another version is Baduge. Mad goat piss off
CrimeaRiver

UK

#7 Sep 24, 2013
Siva Sankaran Sarma wrote:
<quoted text>No he founded Christianity but was born a Jew and he did not die as per Christianity but got resurrected ascended heaven as a Jew his followers later became Christian. It started as a Jewish sect and then became a different identity. Go and read the Act sof the Apostles where they was a tussle between Peter and Paul as to whether Christians should follow Jewish customs or break away from it. Similarly Lord Buddha founded Buddhism but was not a Buddhist he was born a Hindu and died as a Hindu. Later the followers of his teachings became Buddhists.
Yes it may have been the inscription and remember it was in the 12Th century but he ruled the so called mighty Sinhalas and they were his vassal state
Yes Raja Raja Chola ruled the Sinhalas and was also defeated by them.

My point is, the term Sinhala didn't need to be coined. There was only one powerful force who were descended from Wijaya and are now known as the Sinhalas.

Christ didn't need to call himslef a Christian, but Christianity went on the dominate the globe for 500 years.
Siva Sankaran Sarma

Montmorency, Australia

#8 Sep 24, 2013
CrimeaRiver wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes Raja Raja Chola ruled the Sinhalas and was also defeated by them.
My point is, the term Sinhala didn't need to be coined. There was only one powerful force who were descended from Wijaya and are now known as the Sinhalas.
Christ didn't need to call himslef a Christian, but Christianity went on the dominate the globe for 500 years.
Vijaya's story is a myth. It was not Rajah Rajah Chola but during the reign of his grandson that the Chola rule waned. After this the island got divided into Sinhalese and Tamil kingdoms and chiefdoms.
The real origin of the work Sinhala is Tamil an nothing to do with Vijaya or lions. The ancient Tamil world for the island was Chinkalam which means the land of red soil or copper. The Tamil or semi Tamil Elu speaking population who lived there were called Chinkalaver or Eelavar or Ezhavas. That is how the word Sinhala came
http://www.tamilnet.com/art.html...

http://www.tamilnet.com/art.html...

http://www.tamilnet.com/art.html...
http://whttp://www.tamilnet.co m/art.html?catid=98&artid= 36607ww.tamilnet.com/art.html? catid=98&artid=29684
Siva Sankaran Sarma

Montmorency, Australia

#9 Sep 24, 2013
CrimeaRiver

UK

#10 Sep 24, 2013
Siva Sankaran Sarma wrote:
<quoted text>Vijaya's story is a myth. It was not Rajah Rajah Chola but during the reign of his grandson that the Chola rule waned. After this the island got divided into Sinhalese and Tamil kingdoms and chiefdoms.
The real origin of the work Sinhala is Tamil an nothing to do with Vijaya or lions. The ancient Tamil world for the island was Chinkalam which means the land of red soil or copper. The Tamil or semi Tamil Elu speaking population who lived there were called Chinkalaver or Eelavar or Ezhavas. That is how the word Sinhala came
http://www.tamilnet.com/art.html...
http://www.tamilnet.com/art.html...
http://www.tamilnet.com/art.html...
http://whttp://www.tamilnet.co m/art.html?catid=98&artid= 36607ww.tamilnet.com/art.html? catid=98&artid=29684
You talk so much nonsense. That is one of the reason the Tamils haven't been able to convince the world of their claims. Because your lies are so inconsistent.

Sinha, Si'ha, Singh, Simha, Singhal, Sinh, Singa are all the same and are derived from Sanskrit.

Even Singapore is derived from the Malay Singapura which means Lion City.

Singham is the Tamil word for Lion and is derived for Sanskrit.

Just like the whole Sihala language

You talk so much rubbish - thats why nobody believes you.

Tamils should make their lies believable.

Not a single soul on this planet would accept your version of how Sinha-le came from Chinkalam.

You are a bonafide idiot Siva
CrimeaRiver

UK

#11 Sep 24, 2013
The land of red soil or copper that you speak of became Tambapanni to us.
chori chankara kurma

Mumbai, India

#12 Sep 24, 2013
Siva Sankaran Sarma wrote:
<quoted text>
The real origin of the work Sinhala is Tamil an nothing to do with Vijaya or lions. The ancient Tamil world for the island was Chinkalam which means the land of red soil or copper.
the Tamil word for copper is 'sempu(chembu in Malayalam) and for red is 'sivappu(chuvappu,chuvanna in Malayalam).i don't know how it pronounced in srilankan Tamil.
Simha/simham means lion.its a Sanskrit word.ut used directly in Malayalam,Kannada and telegu.simham in Malayalam,telegu and simha in Kannada.in Tamil its just Tamilized singam (because there is no 'ha' sound in Tamil).
Siva Sankaran Sarma

Montmorency, Australia

#14 Sep 27, 2013
chori chankara kurma wrote:
<quoted text>the Tamil word for copper is 'sempu(chembu in Malayalam) and for red is 'sivappu(chuvappu,chuvanna in Malayalam).i don't know how it pronounced in srilankan Tamil.
Simha/simham means lion.its a Sanskrit word.ut used directly in Malayalam,Kannada and telegu.simham in Malayalam,telegu and simha in Kannada.in Tamil its just Tamilized singam (because there is no 'ha' sound in Tamil).
Hari is the pure Sanskrit word for Lion in Sanskrit Sinha or Simha is a Tamil derived word from Chingkam which means the animal with the mane. Chikai or Sikai means in old Tamil hair or mane. Malyalam is a very recent derivative of Tamil. The oldest derivative is Kannada that broke of from Tamil around three thousand years ago and then Telugu. Malayalam really broke of from Tamil only a few centuries ago. The break started around 9Th century but still it the language was a form of Tamil even when the Portuguese arrived in Kerala.
ding dong tamule

Ottawa, Canada

#15 Sep 27, 2013
Siva Sankaran Sarma wrote:
<quoted text>Hari is the pure Sanskrit word for Lion in Sanskrit Sinha or Simha is a Tamil derived word from Chingkam which means the animal with the mane.
Wow they must have been drinking Kassipu to derive the Sanskrit word Sinha from the original Tamule word Chingkam. ROFL. Sakkiliya

Idiot pakaya, did you know Thatha is a tamil word, a Sinhalese word and Yugoslavian word + a Portuguese word for Father? you unducated, stupid black tamil bunker vesi, go clean the toilet. Po now.
ding dong tamule

Ottawa, Canada

#16 Sep 27, 2013
uneducated my bad... sorry sakkili sarma.
Siva Sankaran Sarma

Greensborough, Australia

#18 Sep 28, 2013
ding dong tamule wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow they must have been drinking Kassipu to derive the Sanskrit word Sinha from the original Tamule word Chingkam. ROFL. Sakkiliya
Idiot pakaya, did you know Thatha is a tamil word, a Sinhalese word and Yugoslavian word + a Portuguese word for Father? you unducated, stupid black tamil bunker vesi, go clean the toilet. Po now.
Stupid dog use your brain Old Tamil/Dravidian was already a very rich language and their speakers were spread throughout the Indian subcontinent prior to the arrival of Indo Aryan Sanskrit speakers. The Indian lion at that time was wide spread, so they had names for every animal in the subcontinent but only forgot to name the most majestic out them and were meekly awaiting the arrival of Aryan speaker to name the lion and then borrow the word from them? The Indo European speakers originally came from areas there was no Asian Lion or hardly, until they reached the Indian subcontinent. It they who would have borrowed the word from old Tamil/Dravidian and not the other way around.
Remember contrary to Brahman North Indian and the Indian government propaganda Sanskrit vocabulary is around 30% Dravidian/Munda.
I am not denying that Tamil borrowed a lot of word s from Sanskrit more so but Sanskrit also borrowed a lot from Tamil and more so as it Tamil/Dravidian influenced it in many other ways
http://tamilnation.co/literature/sanskrit.htm
para demala

Ottawa, Canada

#19 Sep 29, 2013
Siva Sankaran Sarma wrote:
<quoted text>Stupid dog use your brain Old Tamil/Dravidian was already a very rich language and their speakers were spread throughout the Indian subcontinent prior to the arrival of Indo Aryan Sanskrit speakers. The Indian lion at that time was wide spread, so they had names for every animal in the subcontinent but only forgot to name the most majestic out them and were meekly awaiting the arrival of Aryan speaker to name the lion and then borrow the word from them? The Indo European speakers originally came from areas there was no Asian Lion or hardly, until they reached the Indian subcontinent. It they who would have borrowed the word from old Tamil/Dravidian and not the other way around.
Remember contrary to Brahman North Indian and the Indian government propaganda Sanskrit vocabulary is around 30% Dravidian/Munda.
I am not denying that Tamil borrowed a lot of word s from Sanskrit more so but Sanskrit also borrowed a lot from Tamil and more so as it Tamil/Dravidian influenced it in many other ways
http://tamilnation.co/literature/sanskrit.htm
but still homeless and a tribe of killer terrorists. pow.
CrimeaRiver

UK

#20 Sep 30, 2013
Siva Sankaran Sarma wrote:
<quoted text>Stupid dog use your brain Old Tamil/Dravidian was already a very rich language and their speakers were spread throughout the Indian subcontinent prior to the arrival of Indo Aryan Sanskrit speakers. The Indian lion at that time was wide spread, so they had names for every animal in the subcontinent but only forgot to name the most majestic out them and were meekly awaiting the arrival of Aryan speaker to name the lion and then borrow the word from them? The Indo European speakers originally came from areas there was no Asian Lion or hardly, until they reached the Indian subcontinent. It they who would have borrowed the word from old Tamil/Dravidian and not the other way around.
Remember contrary to Brahman North Indian and the Indian government propaganda Sanskrit vocabulary is around 30% Dravidian/Munda.
I am not denying that Tamil borrowed a lot of word s from Sanskrit more so but Sanskrit also borrowed a lot from Tamil and more so as it Tamil/Dravidian influenced it in many other ways
http://tamilnation.co/literature/sanskrit.htm
Now present evidence to substantiate your claims that are not from a website caled 'Tamilnation'

Tamil may be a classical language, but it has not had the same influence on world languages that Sanskrit has had.

And all languages that use derivatives of Sinha/Sing/Simha etc etc trace the origin back to Sanskrit, not tamil
Siva Sankaran Sarma

Greensborough, Australia

#21 Sep 30, 2013
CrimeaRiver wrote:
<quoted text>
Now present evidence to substantiate your claims that are not from a website caled 'Tamilnation'
Tamil may be a classical language, but it has not had the same influence on world languages that Sanskrit has had.
And all languages that use derivatives of Sinha/Sing/Simha etc etc trace the origin back to Sanskrit, not tamil
What world languages? Both Sanskrit and Tamil influence reached SE Asia not because of the North Indians but because of the Tamils. There are many Tamil as well as Sanskrit words in these languages. Even in many western languages there are many Tamil as well as Sanskrit derived words. However most words common to Western and Sanskrit are not derived from Sanskrit bit are cognates, which means they have a common etymological origin. Yes everyone traces Sinha/Sing/Simha to Sanskrit and then stop but do not bother to go further to question and research from where Sanskrit borrowed or derived this word like 30% of its vocabulary. The answer is Tamil/Dravidian or Munda. Previously many people thought that the English word rice was derived from Sanskrit but later they realised that Sanskrit borrowed this from Tamil arisi. This because the White British colonials and later the ruling Indian establishment and elite were and are still wanting to perpetuate the myth only Aryans and Indo European languages are the fountain of everything and civilisation. Now people are questioning this and the myth is getting broken. Just like your Mahavamse myth.
That is not what Tamil nation wrote but an eminent White American professor who is well versed in Tamil and Sanskrit wrote.
All this is water on a ducks back as you are a third rate racist who hates the Tamil language and Tamils and constantly wants to belittle them and discredit them. This is despite your recent immigrant Indian Tamil ancestry
CrimeaRiver

UK

#22 Sep 30, 2013
Siva Sankaran Sarma wrote:
<quoted text>What world languages? Both Sanskrit and Tamil influence reached SE Asia not because of the North Indians but because of the Tamils. There are many Tamil as well as Sanskrit words in these languages. Even in many western languages there are many Tamil as well as Sanskrit derived words. However most words common to Western and Sanskrit are not derived from Sanskrit bit are cognates, which means they have a common etymological origin. Yes everyone traces Sinha/Sing/Simha to Sanskrit and then stop but do not bother to go further to question and research from where Sanskrit borrowed or derived this word like 30% of its vocabulary. The answer is Tamil/Dravidian or Munda. Previously many people thought that the English word rice was derived from Sanskrit but later they realised that Sanskrit borrowed this from Tamil arisi. This because the White British colonials and later the ruling Indian establishment and elite were and are still wanting to perpetuate the myth only Aryans and Indo European languages are the fountain of everything and civilisation. Now people are questioning this and the myth is getting broken. Just like your Mahavamse myth.
That is not what Tamil nation wrote but an eminent White American professor who is well versed in Tamil and Sanskrit wrote.
All this is water on a ducks back as you are a third rate racist who hates the Tamil language and Tamils and constantly wants to belittle them and discredit them. This is despite your recent immigrant Indian Tamil ancestry
but what you are suggesting is that Singha, Sinha, Simha, Si'ha, Singh etc etc etc mean LION in Sanskrit but that the Sanskrit word came from Chinkam in Tamil.

That is what you said. That Sinha came from Chinkal meaning red soil.

Whereas any sane, average intelligance person with even a limited knowledge of language will tell you that Sinha came from the Sanskrit word LION.

So where the hell did you ascertain that Sinha came from Chinkal.

Now back peddle away Siva - we have all the time in world!!

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