Who Is Allah?

Aug 24, 2007 Full story: The Brussels Journal 202,179

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#161597 Feb 3, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Why was he led to Satan for testing? Wasn't the Father, who was mighty pleased, sure? He should not have been sent to Satan at all!
Jesus was tested as all men/women are tested. As with many of the Saints who lived holy lives, satan appeared in person to Jesus to test Him.
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#161598 Feb 3, 2013
rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
<quoted text>
rabbee: which is considered, worse by G-D? to make up your own unholy text, or to alter The Holy Text.
They are both an abomination to God.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#161600 Feb 3, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
I am talking about the biblical Jesus.
It was not the child, who was miraculous, the mother was a miraculous woman, who conceived a child without anyone touching her. She knew no one and no man ever knew her.
Qur'aan and the Prophet affirmed that the son of Mary was a messenger of God. Both never affirmed that the son of Mary, was a miraculously conceived miracle worker.
rabbee: to denounce one truth of G-D, here in this Story of Physical Creation again. is to denounce all, The Truth of G-D here in TheTorah Happening again. to denounce the miraculous surrogate birth, of Adam twice here in TheTorah is a sin. it is blastphemy to denouce, the Unique birth of Adam here in TheSrory of Physical Creation again, again, again or again. and to denounce being here, in ThisStory of Creation again, is blastphemy against Ruach HaKodesh.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#161602 Feb 3, 2013
Paul WV wrote:
<quoted text>
They are both an abomination to God.
rabbee: that is an attempt to evade, answering the question. just another way, of lying. either you truly know, the absolute answer or your don't. and any wrong answer, indicates you don't really know, or know and are wontonly lying.
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#161606 Feb 3, 2013
rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
<quoted text>
rabbee: that is an attempt to evade, answering the question. just another way, of lying. either you truly know, the absolute answer or your don't. and any wrong answer, indicates you don't really know, or know and are wontonly lying.
Whatever, I stand by what I posted.
Lone Worker

Bellevue, WA

#161607 Feb 3, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Ever consider fortune cookies?
Is that supposed to be funny Jughead?

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#161611 Feb 3, 2013
rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
<quoted text>
rabbee: which is considered, worse by G-D? to make up your own unholy text, or to alter The Holy Text.
I think alter the holy text.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#161616 Feb 3, 2013
Paul WV wrote:
<quoted text>
Whatever, I stand by what I posted.
rabbee: then you stand by, your evading the truth. aka: a lie.
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#161619 Feb 3, 2013
Islam, the religion that decrees that true believers in Allah must use their left hands to wipe their asses an odd number of times after defecating, because that's what Allah's Messenger Mohammad did, and he was, is, and remains forevermore the perfect model of ass-wiping conduct. See: http://islamqa.info/en/ref/2532

Is it any wonder that Muslims are the angriest people on earth, when they not only have the incorrect anal hygienic practices of infidels on their minds, but also the very existence of the abominable Zionist Entity?

Incidentally, Jews, as everyone knows or SHOULD know, wash their ass-holes with water after they shit.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#161620 Feb 3, 2013
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
<quoted text>
I think alter the holy text.
rabbee: and so your relative, reasoning skills remains impecable. and you made it, look so easy and simple. for you, have chosen wisely. i am willing to be, you can even tell us, why he did not care to make a choice?

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#161621 Feb 3, 2013
rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
<quoted text>
rabbee: and so your relative, reasoning skills remains impecable. and you made it, look so easy and simple. for you, have chosen wisely. i am willing to be, you can even tell us, why he did not care to make a choice?
Maybe he didn't know the difference.

Anyway, I am more curious to know why you post that question to him?

Since: May 12

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#161622 Feb 3, 2013
WHAT MECCA?(PART1)

A great tragedy of the Islamic control of our universities and political correctness plus the fear of extreme violence if anyone dares question the roots and claims of Islam is ...that nobody dares question the roots and claims of Islam!!! I want to stimulate interest and offer this summary of information on Mecca from (LINK) which discusses some problems with Muslim claims in a comparison of evidence supporting Islam/Christianity.

Also try Ibn Warraq’s ‘The Quest for the Historical Mohammad’ or a light review in ‘Why I am not a Muslim.’ Remember Islam’s sira (biographies of Mohammad) and sunnah/hadith were all written 150-200+ years AFTER Mohammad died, and the Koran????
Summary:

1)For Muslims "Mecca is the centre of Islam, and the centre of history." "The first sanctuary appointed for mankind was that at Bakkah (or Mecca), a blessed place, a guidance for the peoples." (Koran Sura 3:96).
Muslim tradition claims Adam placed the black stone in the original ka’ba and Abraham and Ishmael rebuilt the Meccan ka’ba later (Koran sura 2:125-127). Mecca is central to Islam and Mohammad’s life.

2)There is no documentary or archaeological evidence that Abraham ever went to or lived in Mecca.

3)What Mecca- there is no sure evidence of Mecca pre-Islam. The Greco-Egyptian geographer Ptolemy in the mid-2nd century A.D. made a brief inference to a city called "Makoraba" 500 years pre-Islam(is this Mecca?). There is no other report of Mecca or its ka’ba in any authenticated ancient document until the early eighth century (Mohammad died in 632) where the earliest substantiated reference to Mecca occurs in the Continuatio Byzantia Arabica, which is a source dating from early in the reign of the caliph Hisham, who ruled between 724-743 A.D. ie 100 years AFTER Mohammad died!!

4)There is no evidence to support Muslim claims that Mecca was an ancient and great city, the centre of the trading routes for Arabia in the seventh century and before.

5)There is ample documentation from that part of the world which FAILS to support Muslim claims-


a) Mecca NOT on major trade routes: Extensive research on the history of trade in the ancient Middle-East, shows Mecca was not on any major trading routes. "Mecca is tucked away at the edge of the peninsula. Only by the most tortured map reading can it be described as a natural crossroads between a north-south route and an east-west one." (Bulliet 1975:105)

b) Mecca could not have been on the trading route, as it would have entailed a detour from the natural route along the western ridge. The trade route must have bypassed Mecca by some one-hundred miles (Groom 1981:193;).

c)Why go to the barren valley of Mecca down a steep descent when you could go to Ta’if which had a well, sanctuary and food supplies?

d)"what commodity was available in Arabia that could be transported such a distance, through such an inhospitable environment, and still be sold at a profit large enough to support the growth of a city in a peripheral site bereft of natural resources?" (Crone 1987:7) It wasn't incense, spices, and other exotic goods, as many notoriously unreliable earlier writers have suggested but more recent, reliable research finds the Arabs engaged in a trade of leather and clothing; hardly items which could have founded a commercial empire of international dimensions.
e) Sloppy research is blamed for the wrong view re trade made by many orientalists eg Lammens, copied by others.

TO BE CONTINUED...

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#161623 Feb 3, 2013
WHAT MECCA?(PART2)

f) Maritime trade: Later Greek historians who were closer to the events (such as Cosmas, Procopius and Theodoretus) indicate that the Greek trade between India and the Mediterranean was entirely maritime after the first century A.D.(Crone 1987:29)(remember Islam didn’t start till the 7th century). One need only look at a map to understand why. It was cheaper, faster, and probably safer to ship goods than trek over land. Why would the traders ship their goods from India by sea, unload it at Aden onto much slower and more expensive camels to trudge 1,250 miles across the inhospitable Arabian desert to Gaza, when they could leave it on ships following the Red Sea route up the west coast of Arabia?

g) The Greco-Roman trade with India collapsed by the third century A.D. By Muhammad's time there was no overland route, and no Roman market to which the trade was destined. Remaining trade was controlled by the Ethiopians, not the Arabs, and that Adulis, the port city on the Ethiopian coast of the Red Sea, and not Mecca was the trading centre of that region (Crone 1987).

h) The Greeks to whom the trade went had never even heard of a place called Mecca.

i) Greek trading documents refer to the towns of Ta'if (which is south-east of present-day Mecca), and to Yathrib (later Medina), as well as Kaybar in the north, but no mention is made of Mecca (Crone 1987).

j)Muslims confused about Mecca: Research carried out by J.van Ess, in both the first and second civil wars, notes accounts of people proceeding from Medina to Iraq via Mecca (van Ess 1971:16; see also Muhammad b. Ahmad al-Dhahabi 1369:343). Yet Mecca is south-west of Medina, and Iraq is north-east. Thus the sanctuary for Islam, according to these traditions was at one time north of Medina, which is the opposite direction from where Mecca is today!

k) The author concludes re Mecca---“We are left in a quandary. If, according to documentary evidence, in this case the ancient Greek historical and trading documents, Mecca was not the great commercial centre the later Muslim traditions would have us believe, if it was not known by the people who lived and wrote from that period, and if it could not even qualify as a viable city during the time of Muhammad, it certainly could not have been the centre of the Muslim world at that time. How then can we believe that the Qur'an is reliable?”....” the city it identifies as the birthplace and cornerstone for the nascent Islam cannot even be identified with any historical accuracy until at least a full century later?”***Please refer to the full article and note that there is more evidence than presented in the article..

A quandary indeed and this quandary is increased by work examining the development of (Islam’s) laws, which only seemed to be attached to ‘scripture’ in the 9th century (remember Mohammad died in 632); there is NO reference to the Koran in the mid 8th century statement of ‘muslim’ creed called the Fiqh Akbar 1 –surely it is unthinkable that had the Koran existed it would not have been mentioned; and further evidence that the term ‘sunna of the prophet’ is early Iraqian, not Medinese and that the legal doctrine of the Medinese lags behind and is dependent on that of the Iraqians.......the concept of Medina as the true home of the sunna is a fiction of the 3rd ‘Islamic’ century (J Schacht ‘a Revaluation of Islamic traditions’ in Ibn Warraq ‘The quest for the historical Mohammad”)....There are NO Korans from anywhere in the world from the 7th century....so how do Muslims know their text is unaltered??? Remember the Doctrina Iacobi, 642A.D.(Jews/Saracens allied) and the Armenian Chronicler 660 A.D.(Jews & Ishmaelites together) refer to a violent Arab prophet in the area of Syria/Palestine, NOT Mecca or Medina, preaching a Jewish messiah....and there is a huge array of other problems....But who can we trust to accurately research the truth?

TO BE CONTINUED...

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#161624 Feb 3, 2013
WHAT MECCA?(PART 3)

Yes, it’s time Islam was really subjected to some hard scrutiny but that won’t happen in today’s universities where an American study already shows the ‘paint a rosy’ picture, level of research.
http://islammonitor.org/index2.php...
Lone Worker

Bellevue, WA

#161625 Feb 3, 2013
The salvation of those who will take of the tree of life which is the only way given through and by Jesus, is the work of God. The Spirit of God was made flesh and he was with his only begotten Son who did the work which was required to save whosoever will believe on him. The suffering and death of Jesus upon the cross was the most important event in all of history.
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#161626 Feb 3, 2013
Lone Worker wrote:
<quoted text>Is that supposed to be funny Jughead?
It is quite pathetic to watch the clueless pagans educating Jews about "lamb sacifice" about which I am sure the Jews know a lot more than the pagans!!
This perfect lamb was nailed to a pagan roman cross!!
Has any perfect lamb been nailed to a pagan roman cross before?
I thought the sacrificed lamb gets eaten at some point?

The sacrificial animal, which was either a lamb or kid, was necessarily a male, one year old, and without blemish. Each family or society offered one victim together, which did not require the "semikah" (laying on of hands), although it was obligatory to determine who were to take part in the sacrifice that the killing might take place with the proper intentions. Only those who were circumcised and clean before the Law might participate; and they were forbidden to have leavened food in their possession during the act of killing the paschal lamb. The animal was slain on the eve of the Passover, on the afternoon of the 14th of Nisan, after the Tamid sacrifice had been killed, i.e., at three o'clock, or, in case the eve of the Passover fell on Friday, at two. The killing took place in the court of the Temple, and might be performed by a layman, although the blood had to be caught by a priest, and rows of priests with gold or silver cups in their hands stood in line from the Temple court to the altar, where the blood was sprinkled. These cups were rounded on the bottom, so that they could not be set down; for in that case the blood might coagulate. The priest who caught the blood as it dropped from the victim then handed the cup to the priest next to him, receiving from him an empty one, and the full cup was passed along the line until it reached the last priest, who sprinkled its contents on the altar. The lamb was then hung upon special hooks or sticks and skinned; but if the eve of the Passover fell on a Sabbath, the skin was removed down to the breast only. The abdomen was then cut open, and the fatty portions intended for the altar were taken out, placed in a vessel, salted, and offered by the priest on the altar, while the remaining entrails likewise were taken out and cleansed
.
On Sabbath Eve.
Even if the eve of the Passover fell on a Sabbath, the paschal lamb was killed in the manner described above, the blood was sprinkled on the altar, the entrails removed and cleansed, and the fat offered on the altar; for these four ceremonies in the case of the paschal lamb, and these alone, were exempt from the prohibition against working on the Sabbath. This regulation, that the Sabbath yielded the precedence to the Passover, was not definitely determined until the time of Hillel, who established it as a law and was in return elevated to the dignity of nasi by the Bene Bathyra (Pes. 68a).
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#161627 Feb 3, 2013
Lone Worker wrote:
<quoted text>Is that supposed to be funny Jughead?
THE PERFECT SACRIFICE DISAPPEARED...IN THE BELLIES OF DISCIPLES??
The Three Groups of Laity.
The people taking part in the sacrifice were divided into three groups. The first of these filled the court of the Temple, so that the gates had to be closed, and while they were killing and offering their paschal lambs the Levites on the platform ("dukan") recited the "Hallel" (Ps. cxiii.-cxviii.), accompanied by instruments of brass. If the Levites finished their recitation before the priests had completed the sacrifice, they repeated the "Hallel," although it never happened that they had to repeat it twice. As soon as the first group had offered their sacrifice, the gates were opened to let them out, and their places were taken by the second and third groups successively. All three groups offered their sacrifice in the manner described, while the "Hallel" was recited; but the third group was so small that it had always finished before the Levites reached Ps. cxvi. It was called the "group of the lazy" because it came last. Even if the majority of the people were ritually uncleanon the eve of the Passover, the sacrifice was offered on the 14th of Nisan. Other sacrifices, on the contrary, called "&#7717;agigah," which were offered together with the paschal lamb, were omitted if the eve of the Passover fell on a Sabbath, or if the sacrifice was offered in a state of uncleanness, or if the number of participants was so small that they could not consume all the meat. When the sacrifice was completed and the victim was ready for roasting, each one present carried his lamb home, except when the eve of the Passover fell on a Sabbath, in which case it might not be taken away.

The Home Ceremony.
The first group stationed itself on the mount of the Temple, the second group in the "&#7717;el," the space between the Temple wall and the Temple hall, while the third group remained in the Temple court, thus awaiting the evening, when they took their lambs home and roasted them on a spit of pomegranate-wood. No bones might be broken either during the cooking or during the eating. THE LAMB WAS SET ON THE TABLE AT THE EVENING BANQUET(see Seder), AND WAS EATEN BY ASSEMBLED COMPANY after all had satisfied their appetites with the &#7717;agigah or other food. THE SACRIFICE HAD TO BE CONSUMED ENTIRELY THAT SAME EVENING, NOTHING BEING ALLOWED TO REMAIN OVERNIGHT. While eating it, the entire company of those who partook was obliged to remain together, and every participant had to take a piece of the lamb at least as large as an olive. Women and girls also might take part in the banquet and eat of the sacrifice. The following benediction was pronounced before eating the lamb: "Blessed be Thou, the Eternal, our God, the King of the world, who hast sanctified us by Thy commands, and hast ordained that we should eat the Passover." The "Hallel" was recited during the meal, and when the lamb had been eaten the meaning of the custom was explained, and the story of the Exodus was told (see Seder).

The paschal sacrifice belongs to the "shelamim," thus forming one of the sacrifices in which the meal is the principal part and indicates the community between God and man. It is really a house or family sacrifice, and each household is regarded as constituting a small community in itself, not only because the lamb is eaten at home, but also because every member of the family is obliged to partake of the meal, on pain of excommunication ("karet"), although each man must be circumcised and all must be ritually clean. The fact that the paschal lamb might be killed only at the central sanctuary of Jerusalem, on the other hand, implies that each household was but a member of the larger community; and this is indicated also by the national character of the sacrifice, which kept alive in the memory of the nation the preservation and liberation of the entire people.
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#161628 Feb 3, 2013
Lone Worker wrote:
The salvation of those who will take of the tree of life which is the only way given through and by Jesus, is the work of God. The Spirit of God was made flesh and he was with his only begotten Son who did the work which was required to save whosoever will believe on him. The suffering and death of Jesus upon the cross was the most important event in all of history.
Jesus during his life time did not make any of these nonsense claims.
After the lamb disappeared the publicity machinery went out of control making unbelievable stories up.
That poor man claimed that he came ONLY for the Jews and now the gentiles have taken control over him.
Rock on liars.
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#161630 Feb 3, 2013
What is the need for 4 plus gospels?
The first book comes out...
Oh dear..there are quite a few "errors" and "omissions"...and the message we wish to communicate is not quite right!

That's cool....lets make another one up by copying from the first plus add/delete/change a few bits...

Oh dear...it still has more errors plus the son of god and god is not explained...plus sacrifice and reaching out to gentiles is not inserted properly.!

Cool...lets make up another book...!

Oh ok..lets make up another with "john" the dead as writer after nearly 200+ years after lamb disappears...

Loads more books come and go...

Yes, all from "god"!!!
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#161631 Feb 3, 2013
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
<quoted text>
It is quite pathetic to watch the clueless pagans educating Jews about "lamb sacifice" about which I am sure the Jews know a lot more than the pagans!!
This perfect lamb was nailed to a pagan roman cross!!
Has any perfect lamb been nailed to a pagan roman cross before?
I thought the sacrificed lamb gets eaten at some point?
The sacrificial animal, which was either a lamb or kid, was necessarily a male, one year old, and without blemish. Each family or society offered one victim together, which did not require the "semikah" (laying on of hands), although it was obligatory to determine who were to take part in the sacrifice that the killing might take place with the proper intentions. Only those who were circumcised and clean before the Law might participate; and they were forbidden to have leavened food in their possession during the act of killing the paschal lamb. The animal was slain on the eve of the Passover, on the afternoon of the 14th of Nisan, after the Tamid sacrifice had been killed, i.e., at three o'clock, or, in case the eve of the Passover fell on Friday, at two. The killing took place in the court of the Temple, and might be performed by a layman, although the blood had to be caught by a priest, and rows of priests with gold or silver cups in their hands stood in line from the Temple court to the altar, where the blood was sprinkled. These cups were rounded on the bottom, so that they could not be set down; for in that case the blood might coagulate. The priest who caught the blood as it dropped from the victim then handed the cup to the priest next to him, receiving from him an empty one, and the full cup was passed along the line until it reached the last priest, who sprinkled its contents on the altar. The lamb was then hung upon special hooks or sticks and skinned; but if the eve of the Passover fell on a Sabbath, the skin was removed down to the breast only. The abdomen was then cut open, and the fatty portions intended for the altar were taken out, placed in a vessel, salted, and offered by the priest on the altar, while the remaining entrails likewise were taken out and cleansed
.
On Sabbath Eve.
Even if the eve of the Passover fell on a Sabbath, the paschal lamb was killed in the manner described above, the blood was sprinkled on the altar, the entrails removed and cleansed, and the fat offered on the altar; for these four ceremonies in the case of the paschal lamb, and these alone, were exempt from the prohibition against working on the Sabbath. This regulation, that the Sabbath yielded the precedence to the Passover, was not definitely determined until the time of Hillel, who established it as a law and was in return elevated to the dignity of nasi by the Bene Bathyra (Pes. 68a).
Hi Alex, could you give the link.

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