Who Is Allah?

Who Is Allah?

There are 230836 comments on the The Brussels Journal story from Aug 24, 2007, titled Who Is Allah?. In it, The Brussels Journal reports that:

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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Eric

Lombard, IL

#155604 Dec 6, 2012
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
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Hey moron.
I know what I am talking about unlike you.
Just answer the question:
Is Jesus God or 100% man?
Do you know what SC's personal religious beliefs are? You might want to check with him on that first.
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#155605 Dec 6, 2012
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
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Hi dizzy fool,
Quran 2:69
Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.
As evident from this verse, Allah aka Jibreel aka Muhammad makes no distinction AMONG Christians. So Christians means Christians. After he named the Jews, Christians and Sabians he called out to all the people who believe in Allah and last day, giving for obvious that Jews, Christians and Sabians, believe in Allah and last day.
You said you won't correspond with him but you can't keep your words for more than few hours... pathetic chap.
Hey moron. You are digging a big hole. Keep going.
You will be made to eat your words when the time comes and if you are still around!
Just remember this:
I have posted just two or three important ones on the subject.
Your answers are there but you continue to display your ignorance.

Here is my last set of comments and you are expected to answer them properly. I know you are struggling to put together a few words that make any sense, but try anyway:

Does Quran say Christians believe in Allah or does it say Christians "who" believe in Allah....?

Here is a surprising revelation, if you can prove me wrong I would appreciate it.

- One lot of Abrahamaic people "effectively" believe that "their god" favours only them on the basis of their race/tribe/blood and that their god wants all gentiles utterly destroyed for worshipping "other" gods.

- One lot of Abrahamaic people "effectively" believe that the gentile-hating god came in non-gentile human form as his own son to die for the sins of non-gentiles and gentiles!

- One lot of Abrahamaic people believe that they cannot own the God who loves sustains all creation. They "effectively" believe that pious people irrespective of their race/colour/nation end up getting promoted in the hereafter! They also believe that God has no equals and that God has no son god or daughter god.

Jusy Name them boy!

I know what I am doing - I am a "teacher" of "Christianity", "researcher" of "Islam" and an informed "observer" of "Judaism".
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#155606 Dec 6, 2012
Eric wrote:
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First, Chinese is not a religion.
Second, the unique Chinese religions are not Abrahamic.
Finally, it was you who was trying to be divisive by trying to ridicule other religions. I merely applied what YOU said to my beliefs. I did not disparage anyone else's beliefs. I only supported mine.
Here is what you said.
"Here is a surprising revelation, if you can prove me wrong I would appreciate it.
"- One lot of Abrahamaic people "effectively" believe that "their god" favours only them on the basis of their race/tribe/blood and that their god wants all gentiles utterly destroyed for worshipping "other" gods.
"- One lot of Abrahamaic people "effectively" believe that the gentile-hating god came in non-gentile human form as his own son to die for the sins of non-gentiles and gentiles!
"- One lot of Abrahamaic people believe that they cannot own the God who loves sustains all creation. They "effectively" believe that pious people irrespective of their race/colour/nation end up getting promoted in the hereafter! They also believe that God has no equals and that God has no son god or daughter god.
Name them!"
I was making some real observation concerning worship of God of Abraham/Noah and how it has been "adulterated" or has been glossed over by men:

"1- One lot of Abrahamaic people "effectively" believe that "their god" favours only them on the basis of their race/tribe/blood and that their god wants all gentiles utterly destroyed for worshipping "other" gods.
"2- One lot of Abrahamaic people "effectively" believe that the gentile-hating god came in non-gentile human form as his own son to die for the sins of non-gentiles and gentiles!
"3- One lot of Abrahamaic people believe that they cannot own the God who loves sustains all creation. They "effectively" believe that pious people irrespective of their race/colour/nation end up getting promoted in the hereafter! They also believe that God has no equals and that God has no son god or daughter god.

You know you are wrong to refer to the last lot as Noahide because "Noahidism" of today is a fudge. It is just a second class compartment going nowhere. It is a cop out to make people forget the heavy proselytizing that went on long before Jesus under one category of Abrahamaics.

Honest Paul (the Pharisee?) tried a cut down version of it to hook the gentiles who are now convinced that they are born sinners!

The Chinese have an important part to play in this. Which one of the above three will accept the Chinese?

We need a bit of honesty. You are unwilling to admit that you belong to category 1.

If you are honest you will come out and say it loud.
God loves those who are honest.
(Let me put it another way...which category do you belong to?)
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#155607 Dec 6, 2012
Eric wrote:
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Do you know what SC's personal religious beliefs are? You might want to check with him on that first.
It really does not matter because he is a lightweight whose efforts are further thwarted by his language issues.
He jumps to conclusions without bothering to read posts properly.
He will never admit that he is wrong when on three occasions he was exposed as a liar with the use of links.
Yes, I am guilty of teasing him a bit, but no malice intended!
Mahmood

Woodstock, Canada

#155608 Dec 6, 2012
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
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-"May" not be the father of Jesus? Who says that? You or Christian?
Muslims categorically say God is NOT Jesus' Father.
- Do "Christians" believe in God the Son?
- You NEED to talk to Rabbi, because no Jew who practises Judaism as his religion, has ever believed Jesus either!
- I have given all the answers but you cannot understand it.
You have given me nothing. All you have done is try and run around the contradiction. As far as the Koran goes, it was Allah who the Jews and the Christians the scriptures. When the Koran talks about Christians and Jews, it's referring to Jews and Christians in general. Let us read 2:62 line by line.

2:62 - "Lo! Those who believe (in that which is revealed unto thee, Muhammad)"

The first line indicates Mohammadans like you.

"and those who are Jews, and Christians, and Sabaeans - whoever believeth in Allah and the Last Day and doeth right"

All Jews, Christians, and Mohammadans believe in one almighty god. The same Allah that allegedly gave them their scripture. The same Allah that allegedly gave you guys the Koran. Allah in Arabic simply means "God". Arabic speakers of all Abrahamic faiths use the word "Allah" to mean God. If you are too thick to understand, then there is nothing I can do about it.

No need to talk to a Rabbi. Jews never accepted Jesus & Mohammad as the messengers and hence the contradiction. Because 2:62 clearly states that Jews have nothing to fear. 4:150-151 tells us the complete ie they will burn in hell.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#155609 Dec 6, 2012
bmz wrote:
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Well said, HughBe
SC considers himself the best white-washed tomb. lol!
Have a good day. It is good night from me.
BMZ---Well said, HughBe

HughBe-- Thanks , BMZ.

BMZ---SC considers himself the best white-washed tomb

HughBe--- perhaps he is

BMZ---It is good night from me

HughBe--- Good night
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#155610 Dec 6, 2012
Mahmood wrote:
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You have given me nothing. All you have done is try and run around the contradiction. As far as the Koran goes, it was Allah who the Jews and the Christians the scriptures. When the Koran talks about Christians and Jews, it's referring to Jews and Christians in general. Let us read 2:62 line by line.
2:62 - "Lo! Those who believe (in that which is revealed unto thee, Muhammad)"
The first line indicates Mohammadans like you.
"and those who are Jews, and Christians, and Sabaeans - whoever believeth in Allah and the Last Day and doeth right"
All Jews, Christians, and Mohammadans believe in one almighty god. The same Allah that allegedly gave them their scripture. The same Allah that allegedly gave you guys the Koran. Allah in Arabic simply means "God". Arabic speakers of all Abrahamic faiths use the word "Allah" to mean God. If you are too thick to understand, then there is nothing I can do about it.
No need to talk to a Rabbi. Jews never accepted Jesus & Mohammad as the messengers and hence the contradiction. Because 2:62 clearly states that Jews have nothing to fear. 4:150-151 tells us the complete ie they will burn in hell.
You will burn in hell.
You know why...you are deliberately referring to the Holy Quran as koran.
You are referring to Muslims as mohamamdans.
You really are an ignorant fool who picks rubbish from antio muslim sites.
No matter how many times we clarify it..you come back with a load of tripe.
Why don't you take a hike?
Until you learn to refer to the Quran as Quran and Muslims as Muslims you can get lost.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#155611 Dec 6, 2012
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
<quoted text>
To claim what you just said, first you have to know all men in this world, and only after that you can say to be among the most righteous or not.
HughBe-- Certainly you have a very strange concept of righteousness. Listen to me and understand,YOU are speaking to someone who is at least among the very BEST of men and I am no Jesus. I cannot be compared.
Pardon my modesty but I have a nasty habit of calling a spade a spade.

SC---To claim what you just said, first you have to know all men in this world, and only after that you can say to be among the most righteous or not

HughBe--- Really? I made no claim to be righteous. The essence of my assertion is that I have heard and read comments from RIGHTEOUS men and unrighteous men and the things that they say and do I would NEVER do and say. This forum is one example of somewhere where I have made my FACTUAL observation.

So once again, at the very least I am among the very BEST of men i.e. righteous and unrighteous.
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#155612 Dec 6, 2012
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
HughBe-- Certainly you have a very strange concept of righteousness. Listen to me and understand,YOU are speaking to someone who is at least among the very BEST of men and I am no Jesus. I cannot be compared.
Pardon my modesty but I have a nasty habit of calling a spade a spade.
SC---To claim what you just said, first you have to know all men in this world, and only after that you can say to be among the most righteous or not
HughBe--- Really? I made no claim to be righteous. The essence of my assertion is that I have heard and read comments from RIGHTEOUS men and unrighteous men and the things that they say and do I would NEVER do and say. This forum is one example of somewhere where I have made my FACTUAL observation.
So once again, at the very least I am among the very BEST of men i.e. righteous and unrighteous.
Dear HughBe hope you are well.
I take my hat off to you for dealing with SC in a very diplomatic manner!
I am find his convoluted, deluded, paranoid approach without an ounce of contrition, a stumbling block to any sensible discussion with him!
All the best
Alex.
Eric

Lombard, IL

#155613 Dec 6, 2012
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
<quoted text>
I was making some real observation concerning worship of G-d of Abraham/Noah and how it has been "adulterated" or has been glossed over by men:
"1- One lot of Abrahamaic people "effectively" believe that "their god" favours only them on the basis of their race/tribe/blood and that their god wants all gentiles utterly destroyed for worshipping "other" gods.
"2- One lot of Abrahamaic people "effectively" believe that the gentile-hating god came in non-gentile human form as his own son to die for the sins of non-gentiles and gentiles!
"3- One lot of Abrahamaic people believe that they cannot own the God who loves sustains all creation. They "effectively" believe that pious people irrespective of their race/colour/nation end up getting promoted in the hereafter! They also believe that God has no equals and that G-od has no son god or daughter god.
You know you are wrong to refer to the last lot as Noahide because "Noahidism" of today is a fudge. It is just a second class compartment going nowhere. It is a cop out to make people forget the heavy proselytizing that went on long before Jesus under one category of Abrahamaics.
Honest Paul (the Pharisee?) tried a cut down version of it to hook the gentiles who are now convinced that they are born sinners!
The Chinese have an important part to play in this. Which one of the above three will accept the Chinese?
We need a bit of honesty. You are unwilling to admit that you belong to category 1.
If you are honest you will come out and say it loud.
God loves those who are honest.
(Let me put it another way...which category do you belong to?)
Like I said, your whole point was to be divisive and derogatory. You fail to recognize the beliefs of others that fulfill category 3.

And, don't talk to me about fudge factor. You have built it into your category 3. What does pious mean? I can tell you what pious means to us because we have adopted a definition of the 7 principles. But what does it mean to you. You have offered no definition of pious. For all we know, pious to you would eliminate all persons who are not devout believers in Islam. There's that fudge factor. At least we have spelled out what "pious" means to us.
Eric

Lombard, IL

#155614 Dec 6, 2012
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
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It really does not matter because he is a lightweight whose efforts are further thwarted by his language issues.
He jumps to conclusions without bothering to read posts properly.
He will never admit that he is wrong when on three occasions he was exposed as a liar with the use of links.
Yes, I am guilty of teasing him a bit, but no malice intended!
There is that ethnocentrism of yours rearing its ugly head. He has no language issues. Why do you expect an Italian to speak perfect English. Why don't you converse with him in Italian.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#155615 Dec 6, 2012
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
<quoted text>
Dear HughBe hope you are well.
I take my hat off to you for dealing with SC in a very diplomatic manner!
I am find his convoluted, deluded, paranoid approach without an ounce of contrition, a stumbling block to any sensible discussion with him!
All the best
Alex.
Greetings Alex, let me say thanks for the kind words. I have not read many of SC's posts but I shall be paying closer attention to them, from now on.

Take care
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#155616 Dec 6, 2012
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
You will burn in hell.
Thus saith the LORD!

Take your meds.
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#155617 Dec 6, 2012
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
You are referring to Muslims as mohamamdans.
As a matter of fact, Muslims ARE Mohammadans by MUSLIM definition, because any and all MONOTHEISTS who reject the Arab Spelunker as a false prophet will go to Islamic hell when they die.
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#155618 Dec 6, 2012
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
<quoted text>
You will burn in hell.
You know why...you are deliberately referring to the Holy Quran as koran.
You are referring to Muslims as mohamamdans.
You really are an ignorant fool who picks rubbish from antio muslim sites.
No matter how many times we clarify it..you come back with a load of tripe.
Why don't you take a hike?
Until you learn to refer to the Quran as Quran and Muslims as Muslims you can get lost.
Your attitude is just like your Master and Commander Mohammad's, the only difference being that he could and did order the murders of his opponents.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#155620 Dec 6, 2012
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
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-Why not?
<quoted text>
Looking at your criteria down here, then you should add Christians as well. All of you believe in the god of Abraham, and all of you have main differences. So either all of you don't believe in the same god or all of you believe in the same one. You cannot keep two and left one out.
Moreover don't you know that just recently the Turkey has sanctioned the private local broacaster Cnbc-e for blasphemy, because they have showed in a episode God (a Christian version of) offering a drink, I think coffee, to Satan?
What's the reason to sanction them if it's not about the same god?
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If you want to put the discourse on the level of acceptation, then I have to remember you that Jews don't accept Friday as holy day, don't practise Ramadan and they are not prohibited to drink alcohol. Have your god told you to follow the 613 mitzvot? So obviously using your own standard neither Jews and Muslims follow the same god.
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I guess is that Maseehee messiah or messianic? Nasaara may mean Nazarene? If it's so the difference may be on belief level between the two.
<quoted text>
You know well that any practicing Jews will disagree wit you. If your god is not YHVH then you and/or Muslims believe into another god.
<quoted text>
Actually even Christians believe in that god, but the point seems to be that Christianity and Islam draw origin from Judaism, but one religion made up its doctrine from hearsay and distortions, and corrupted books, while the other was developed from a criminal mind.
Not impressed! Just a few relevant points:

Maseehee is the Arabic word for Christian and yes it came from Maseeh in Arabic, for the English equivalent Messiah.

Nasaara has nothing to do with Nazarene or Nazareth or Nazarite.

YHWH or YHVH or Yahweh is NO name. Check it out from members of the Jewish faith and those, who know the real Hebrew, not the Hebrew4Christians.

Yahweh simply means "He, the one" or "He who is".
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#155621 Dec 6, 2012
Mahmood wrote:
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Okay Injeel, whats the big deal between gospel/bible/injeel? Are we getting into verbal gymnastics here?
Actually, you are the one, who always engages in verbal gymnastics.

Oh, it IS a big deal, simply because Jesus did not come with a book or did not bring a book or gave a book.

It would be hilarious to say that he gave the Bible or any of the gospels. That is why I say that the translators' choice of the word Gospel for Injeel, is not right, as it gives the impression as if Jesus gave those gospels.

Injeel simply means wisdom and knowledge granted to Jesus. Other prophets/messengers were guided by God through revelations. Jesus used his own brain to teach and discuss. And that is the reason you never see God talking to Jesus in Christian scripture or sending him revelations.

Another reason for not talking to him and for not sending any revelations or scripture to him, was that the Scripture of God, in the form of Torah, was already in place.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#155622 Dec 6, 2012
Mahmood wrote:
I have given you guys a contradiction to solve between 2:62 & 4:150-151, and instead of solving it, you guys are going on a tailspin trying to define Christianity.
Didn't you quote the verse, which had the word Christians in it? And then, didn't you mention that you have married a White Christian woman? Nobody is trying to define Christianity. It will automatically pop up during discussions.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#155623 Dec 6, 2012
Mahmood wrote:
Let me tell you someting. The authors of the Koran had no clue whatsoever, that the previous scriptures were all a product of the human mind. The Koran says Allah/God revealed the Torah to Moses - bullocks!! There was no Torah before 500BC. The person writing the Koran did not what the hell he was writing. There is no historical evidence that any of the "prophets" mentioned in the Koran even existed maybe except for "David" existed.
Who told you that there was no Torah before 500BC? The people just did not come up with a book in a flash after 500 BC.

What makes you think that David may have existed? Did you find him mentioned elsewhere in History?

That is why I have told you many times that all the past events came through the generations of people, who were in the region. The subject of History and the historians arrived long, long after.
Same goes for archaeologists.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#155624 Dec 6, 2012
Mahmood wrote:
You people fail to realize how people back in those days were prone to create and repeat impossible myths. Instead of using your brains and thinking clearly and asking for evidence, you swallow all this bull&shit without question.
YOU PEOPLE have no brains. Neither you nor your historians were there, when those events took place but the ancestors of particular people were there. So, I can easily reject historians, who came very late and missed the boat.

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