Who Is Allah?

Aug 24, 2007 Full story: The Brussels Journal 203,462

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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Frijoles

Farmington, CT

#154538 Nov 18, 2012
bmz wrote:
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Militarily, the first few days of hostilities have proved that the Iron Dome interception system is only partially successful, and Hamas rockets can reach as far as Tel Aviv and its neighboring cities, exposing Israel's vulnerability.

Yossi Mekelberg's assessment is spot on.
Another assessment - this is from the Israeli press itself - not an op ed in an American paper

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-430...

Former defense minister insisted on developing Iron Dome system despite senior defense officials' objection. His decision is now saving many Israeli lives on a daily basis

"....We all know what happened in the end. The Iron Dome system saves the lives of dozens and perhaps hundreds of citizens on a daily basis. Its ability to identify the missile in one thousandth of a second, know if it will hit an open or constructed area and intercept the missile if necessary – is absolutely fantastic. The system has an interception success rate of 86%, and as we speak it is preventing many Israelis from getting hurt.

In special media broadcasts these days, presenters and commentators are regularly praising the system and its developers. They have forgotten to thank the one person who decided to give the system a chance against the majority of defense officials – Amir Peretz.

Now, as the Iron Dome system is raising global interest and is expected to become one of the most successful and highly esteemed Israeli developments in the world, we must thank Amir Peretz and apologize to him for the character assassination he suffered. History has done him injustice, and now is the time to thank him..."

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Note - 86% success rate

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#154539 Nov 18, 2012
Mahmood wrote:
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Some narratives found in the Koran are also found in books & writings that pre-date Islam. For example Koran 5:32 says - "....whoever slays a soul, unless it be for manslaughter or for mischief in the land, it is as though he slew all men......"
This verse has been taken directly out of the Jewish Misnah which pre-dates Islam.
If it's true then it shouldn't be a great deal in the muslim world because according to them, Jews were driven by Allah and so Muhammad.

A good point would be to find verses in Quran that come directly from pre-islamic pagan sources. As far as you stuck around abrahamic religions there is no problem for muslims as motivated above.
Mahmood

Mississauga, Canada

#154540 Nov 18, 2012
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
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If it's true then it shouldn't be a great deal in the muslim world because according to them, Jews were driven by Allah and so Muhammad.
A good point would be to find verses in Quran that come directly from pre-islamic pagan sources. As far as you stuck around abrahamic religions there is no problem for muslims as motivated above.
Why does it have to be pre-islamic pagan sources? Those Talmudic and Rabbanical writings from which Islam has plagiarized were all conjured up by humans. The foundation of all Abrahamic religions are based on lies, myths, and fables.
Morales

Rhyl, UK

#154541 Nov 18, 2012
The Night Journey describes Muhammad's ascent into heaven. It is briefly mentioned in sura 17:1, and described in Sahih al-Bukhari, in several of his volumes, notably in vol 1,#345.

Muhammad's story parallels a Zoroastrian story. It is found in an old Pahlavi book known as "The Book of Arta Viraf". The Zoroastrian story describes the journey of a saintly priest (Arta Viraf), who went into a trance and his spirit went up to the heavens under the guidance of an angel named Sarosh. He passed from one utopia (7 heavens?) to another until he reached the presence of Ormazd, the great deity of the whole universe. When Arta saw everything in heaven and that the inhabitants were very happy, Ormazd commanded him to return to earth as his 'messenger' and to tell the people all that he saw and heard

Also, the Zoroastrians taught, long before Islam, there was a marvelous tree in Paradise called 'humaya', which corresponds very closely to the 'sidrah', the lote tree of Islam.

Finally, there is another Zoroastrian work the 'Zerdashtnama', which has a story of how Zoroaster himself ascended into the heavens and obtained permission to visit hell, where he found Ahriman, the Devil.

All of these stories are paralleled in the Quran. No doubt Muhammad heard these stories and decided to put himself on a level with Zoroaster and others. So, now we have Muhammad copying the Zoroastrian stories and claiming to have these experiences.

Morales

Rhyl, UK

#154542 Nov 18, 2012
the pagan origins of the word allah

http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-allah-pre-isl...
uhuh

Spain

#154545 Nov 18, 2012
abc wrote:
We have the Septuagint which translate YHWH into ego eimi.
you are either stupid or you are lying
the Tetragram YHWH is never translated as "Eigo Eimi" in the stolen Hebrew scripture known as the Septuagint; it is always translated to "Kyrios"
abc wrote:
YHWH is the name of Abraham's God, Allah is the name of Muslim God. No they are not the same God. It is so simple, YHWH is not Allah.
and likewise, "YHWH" is the name of Abraham's God, "Ego Eimi" is the name of YOUR god
they are not the same lol
uhuh

Spain

#154546 Nov 18, 2012
btw
is your god the blind beggar in John 9:9? because when he could see again, people were wondering who he was and he said "Ego Eimi!!" LOL

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#154557 Nov 18, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Another assessment - this is from the Israeli press itself - not an op ed in an American paper
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-430...
Former defense minister insisted on developing Iron Dome system despite senior defense officials' objection. His decision is now saving many Israeli lives on a daily basis
"....We all know what happened in the end. The Iron Dome system saves the lives of dozens and perhaps hundreds of citizens on a daily basis. Its ability to identify the missile in one thousandth of a second, know if it will hit an open or constructed area and intercept the missile if necessary – is absolutely fantastic. The system has an interception success rate of 86%, and as we speak it is preventing many Israelis from getting hurt.
In special media broadcasts these days, presenters and commentators are regularly praising the system and its developers. They have forgotten to thank the one person who decided to give the system a chance against the majority of defense officials – Amir Peretz.
Now, as the Iron Dome system is raising global interest and is expected to become one of the most successful and highly esteemed Israeli developments in the world, we must thank Amir Peretz and apologize to him for the character assassination he suffered. History has done him injustice, and now is the time to thank him..."
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Note - 86% success rate
Yes, all the Israelis should be grateful to Amir.

It is the 14% that shows Israel's vulnerability.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#154558 Nov 18, 2012
uhuh wrote:
btw
is your god the blind beggar in John 9:9? because when he could see again, people were wondering who he was and he said "Ego Eimi!!" LOL
Excellent!

A big LOL in return.

This happened because foreigners wrote the Christian scripture in a language, in which no Scripture was ever revealed. All the massive confusion and nonsense came through the Greek language.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#154559 Nov 18, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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Thats the least of their problem. They should also put something, even 1 sentence, about nation building. Instead it is 20 pages of hatred directed towards an "other". Nothing constructive.
And yet many European nations refuse to label Hamas as a terrorist organization.
How can you read that charter and NOT label them as so?
The European nations refuse to label Hamas as a terrorist organization because they would then have to label Israel as a terrorist state. No one is calling Mory

To me, Hamas' Charter, of course, is absurd. They should not invoke Islam in it. There is also hate displayed by the Israeli side.

To be frank, both sides are an angry lot and believe in violence.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#154560 Nov 18, 2012
Correction, Frijoles

Should read:

The European nations refuse to label Hamas as a terrorist organization because they would then have to label Israel as a terrorist state. No one is calling Morsy, the Egyptian President a terrorist anymore.

To me, Hamas' Charter, of course, is absurd. They should not invoke Islam in it. There is also hate displayed by the Israeli side.

To be frank, both sides are an angry lot and believe in violence.
Frijoles

Farmington, CT

#154561 Nov 19, 2012
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
The European nations refuse to label Hamas as a terrorist organization because they would then have to label Israel as a terrorist state. No one is calling Mory

To me, Hamas' Charter, of course, is absurd. They should not invoke Islam in it. There is also hate displayed by the Israeli side.
To be frank, both sides are an angry lot and believe in violence.
Does the Israeli "charter" advocate genocide or jihad? I think not.
Is the hate codified by the official government docs?

The difference between the Israeli side and the Hamas side is that the Israeli side has always been interested in state building. yes, there have been wars and expansion. But the focus is on state building, not violence.

For someone to equate the Hamas violence with Israelis response is the height of nievtivity.

You forget, Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005 with the expectation that the Palestinians would create a stable civilized society. Instead, from day one, what they got, was rocket attacks.
Frijoles

Farmington, CT

#154562 Nov 19, 2012
bmz wrote:
Correction, Frijoles
Should read:
The European nations refuse to label Hamas as a terrorist organization because they would then have to label Israel as a terrorist state. No one is calling Morsy, the Egyptian President a terrorist anymore.
I do not know if Morsey ever was a terrorist, but it is clear that his organization is a terroristic organization. And frankly, it doesnt even matter right now because as president he is way more powerful to advance these same ideals than as a terrorist. But the ideals are the same, and if he makes the mistake of pandering to his consituency and breaking the Camp David accords, then the results will be same as well, despite the labels.

Plus, how did you think Hamas was able to arm themselves? Because the Egyptians looked the other way. The Egyptians are guilty of abetting a terroristic organization.
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#154563 Nov 19, 2012
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/businessdesk/2012...

Excerpt:

Egypt has received more than $57 billion in U.S. military aid since 1946, making it the third-largest recipient of military aid in the past 66 years -- after Israel ($123 billion) and Vietnam ($74.8 billion). Since the Camp David Accords in 1979, the United States has sent Cairo more than $1 billion annually in military aid, much of it because Egypt was seen as a lynchpin to peace in the Middle East.
...
Given Egyptian antagonism toward America, when we've been trying to buy friendship or at the very least understanding, is it time to pull the plug on military aid? What about to other countries that don't like us? President Obama seems to think not.

"The United States doesn't have an option of withdrawing from the world," he told Telemundo. "It's important for us to stay engaged."
__________
http://www.propublica.org/blog/item/f.a.q.-on...

Egypt gets the most U.S. foreign aid of any country except for Israel.(This doesn't include the money spent on the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.) The exact amount varies from year to year and there are many different funding streams, but U.S. foreign assistance to Egypt has averaged about $2 billion a year since 1979, when Egypt struck a peace treaty with Israel following the Camp David accords, according to the Congressional Research Service. That includes military and economic aid, though the latter has declined by more than two-thirds since 1998, according to a recent Congressional Research Service report.

Let's start with the military aid. How much is it, and what does it buy?

Military aid — which comes through a funding stream known as Foreign Military Financing — has held steady at about $1.3 billion since 1987. American officials have long argued that the money promotes strong ties between the American and Egyptian militaries, which gives the U.S. all kinds of benefits. U.S. Navy warships, for instance, get "expedited processing" when they pass through the Suez Canal.

Here's a 2009 U.S. embassy cable released by WikiLeaks that makes essentially the same point:

President Mubarak and military leaders view our military assistance program as the cornerstone of our mil-mil relationship and consider the USD 1.3 billion in annual FMF as "untouchable compensation" for making and maintaining peace with Israel. The tangible benefits to our mil-mil relationship are clear: Egypt remains at peace with Israel, and the U.S. military enjoys priority access to the Suez Canal and Egyptian airspace.

The military funding also enables Egypt to purchase U.S.-manufactured military goods and services. But a 2006 report from the Government Accountability Office (PDF) criticized both the State Department and the Defense Department for failing to measure how the funding actually contributes to U.S. goals.
Frijoles

Farmington, CT

#154564 Nov 19, 2012
Buford wrote:
Given Egyptian antagonism toward America, when we've been trying to buy friendship or at the very least understanding, is it time to pull the plug on military aid? What about to other countries that don't like us? President Obama seems to think not.
"The United States doesn't have an option of withdrawing from the world," he told Telemundo. "It's important for us to stay engaged."
I think there is now going to be an intense examination of whether Egypt is living up to its obligations or not. The difference between the pre-Obama and the Obama eras is that aid will no longer be unconditional. Egypt is no longer assumed to be an ally, rather it has to demonstrate it will be. There has been a lot in the press about that.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/09/...

President Obama says the U.S. would no longer consider the Egyptian government an ally,“but we don’t consider them an enemy.”
Frijoles

Farmington, CT

#154566 Nov 19, 2012
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-430...

Arab paper: Leave Israel alone, deal with Syria

Asharq Alawsat editor claims Syria, Iran instigated escalation between Israel, Gaza to aid Assad regime

According to Alhomayed, the Iranians tried heating up the fronts on the Israeli borders via their agents. When unsuccessful on the Syrian and Lebanese fronts, they chose the Gaza Strip. "When the Golan front did not move quickly enough for al-Assad and Iran, they resorted to the Gaza front, because this can be inflamed far quicker, whilst it is also easier for Israel in this regard. For Israel, Gaza is like a punching bag that can be used for training and muscle flexing, whilst success in Gaza would strike several “files” in one go ".
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#154567 Nov 19, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
I think there is now going to be an intense examination of whether Egypt is living up to its obligations or not. The difference between the pre-Obama and the Obama eras is that aid will no longer be unconditional. Egypt is no longer assumed to be an ally, rather it has to demonstrate it will be. There has been a lot in the press about that.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/09/...
President Obama says the U.S. would no longer consider the Egyptian government an ally,“but we don’t consider them an enemy.”
List the criteria to be a US ally.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#154569 Nov 19, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Does the Israeli "charter" advocate genocide or jihad? I think not.
Is the hate codified by the official government docs?

The difference between the Israeli side and the Hamas side is that the Israeli side has always been interested in state building. yes, there have been wars and expansion. But the focus is on state building, not violence.

For someone to equate the Hamas violence with Israelis response is the height of nievtivity.
You forget, Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005 with the expectation that the Palestinians would create a stable civilized society. Instead, from day one, what they got, was rocket attacks.
The Israeli 'Charter" does advocate worse than that.

There is no official document but that comes from the 'Oral Traditions' of the Israeli Regime.

Israeli mindset has been tuned to the highest frequency of violence in the mind of every Israeli citizen. You have to be in Israel to understand that or you have to read a lot of information.

Yes, Israel is interested in state building but go and see how much has it built in the areas, where Israeli Arabs live in filthy conditions. Streets are blocked to segregate even the paths. Troops are deployed in the areas, where Israeli Arabs live under constant stoning and ridicule of their Israeli Jewish compatriots. It is building state on others' lands. You are not told about this by the Media.

Ghaza, in my opinion, Frijoles, was simply given as a garbage dump for Palestinians to live in isolated from the Jews of Israel.

I can safely call Ghaza as "Offenes Gefängnis Macht Frei" (OPEN PRISON MACHT FREI)!

To be frank, Israel is worse than terrorists, any time. This regime has to go and Israel really needs an Israeli Spring within. Those, who are interested in peace, will sit down and discuss peace, without any outsiders.

Both the Palestinians and the Israelis, in my view are bloody fools, who do not even think for a second, why outsiders and others can make peace for them.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#154574 Nov 19, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
I do not know if Morsey ever was a terrorist, but it is clear that his organization is a terroristic organization. And frankly, it doesnt even matter right now because as president he is way more powerful to advance these same ideals than as a terrorist. But the ideals are the same, and if he makes the mistake of pandering to his consituency and breaking the Camp David accords, then the results will be same as well, despite the labels.

Plus, how did you think Hamas was able to arm themselves? Because the Egyptians looked the other way. The Egyptians are guilty of abetting a terroristic organization.
If things go worse, Camp David accord and the peace treaty can go down the drain. I am not sure but this is a different scenario, Frijoles. Israel now does not have the support from Arab despots, who have to stay away. Previously, tehy ensured that Egypt and others kept the Ghaza Camp locked, when Israel attacked.

Yes, Hamas armed themselves with the help from others. It si quite obvious. Even Israel was armed in the beginning by the Americans. Right?

wadis

United States

#154584 Nov 19, 2012
Islam forbids the use of toilet paper. Muslim women are double forbidden because it damages the uterus. Muhammad said use your hands or tree leafs or stone to wipe your ass. Paper scrapes and scratches your ass and damages birth organs according to professor Baba Mamzir from the university of saud in the kingdom of saudi Arabia.

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