Warming crowd fears real debate

[Stan Hunter]

MDJ amazes me After making a fool of himself concerning plants and CO2, he has the nerve to refer to liberals as Neanderthals. If that is so, MDJ would then be classified with Orangs.

[Stan Hunter]

And that brings us to over 1000 posts while the Little Brain says the "warming crowd" is afraid to debate GW.

[Gustavion]

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[Ruger]

Yet another REAL scientist, not a political hack breaks away from the GW hoax.
Rocket scientist, and carbon accounting expert Dr. Richard Evans who wrote the accounting model (FULLCAM), that measures Australia's compliance to the Kyoto Protocal has said the temp now is at 1980 levels, and co2 emmisions have little, if any impact on GW.
He also went on to say (I'm putting this in simple terms for our GW alarmist friends on here) that Gore's core sample evidence is bunk, along with most scientists that are still on the wagon.
He said it's liberal government funding of these so-called scientific organizations that keep this hoax up.
Basically, these so-called scientists are tainting their testing procedures to keep the lies, and liberal anti capitalistic government checks coming.

And if you ask any one of these hacks, they are all for taxing people for their "footprint".
Mo money, mo money, mo money.

Have a nice day all!

[Stan Hunter]

Ruger, we believe you You are not too bright. No ned to confirm it.

[Ruger]

Stan Hunter wrote:

Ruger, we believe you You are not too bright. No ned to confirm it.

Now who's being abusive?

[Ruger]

People, we have some cry babies on here. When they are de-bunked, they start crying, and saying they are reporting abuse.
Funny b/c they don't want the real truth to get out. So they want to limit free speech. Just another tactic of the Mao movement.
It's control of the populace.

If they were really concerned about this hoax, it would never get political. But yet they cons,
oh forget it.

[Stan Hunter]

How does the "real truth" differ from the truth? I know, the real truth is sanctioned by Limbo the Bimbo.

[Ruger]

Stan Hunter wrote:

How does the "real truth" differ from the truth? I know, the real truth is sanctioned by Limbo the Bimbo.

This is a perfect example of what I've been saying. GW nuts are tied into leftist regimes, and if they were truly worried about the GW issue, instead of talking taxing and politics they would be inherently looking for other resources. And our friend Stan here just proved my point.

[Stan Hunter]

Your logic is as twisted as a corkscrew. How have I proved your point, whatever you think that is? You ramble incoherently, it is difficult to know what you've said. Do you?.

[theworldasweknow it]

Cthulhu wrote:

Total global co2 emissions into the atmosphere have increased significantly over the last 300 years due to the introduction of significant human emissions which did not exist before. Plant emissions did exist before, they are nothing new and don't represent extra emissions that didn't exist 300 years back.
It is human emissions that have caused the recent and significant co2 rise.

while temperatures fall

[theworldasweknow it]

Stan Hunter wrote:

And that brings us to over 1000 posts while the Little Brain says the "warming crowd" is afraid to debate GW.

you wouldnt know what it was to consider an alternate opinion - so id say regardless of how verbous you are the substance would rarely count as debate

[Stan Hunter]

Verbous? I assume you mean verbose.

What is so sad is the fact that fools like you claim the world is cooling while the ice is melting. The world as we know it? I'll bet you don't know where New Zealand is.

[mememine69]

Stan Hunter wrote:

Verbous? I assume you mean verbose.
What is so sad is the fact that fools like you claim the world is cooling while the ice is melting. The world as we know it? I'll bet you don't know where New Zealand is.

Ug! Ug! Cave man see ice melt. Ug! Ug! Must please angry gods. Ug! Ug!

[Adrian Godsafe MSc]

Fun Facts wrote:

Thanks for the info.
What I think I know is that the magnetic is not consistent because of the iron and nickel make up of the earth's crust. So the solar radiation we receive is not equally distributed? The movement of the northern magnetic pole is interesting, but not as interesting to me as the south atlantic anomaly. Seems like a very large area to be so unstable?

Field is a dipole so anomalies are generally N & S with a single dipole.

As the core is a mass of individual eddies massed together in the shell around the solid heavy metal & iron nickel alloy crystal right in the middle, the result is a stack of eddies all spinning at different rates and the field we get on the surface is a sum, The field is also not a bar ferromagnet but instead an electromagnet similar to the scrapman's plate.

To sum up; Look at the results of a lot of electromagnet coils set up on a long wire in a series, wrap them around a central solid object cowboys & indian style & then connect... & that is the field you get assuming it doesnt just go "plooie" & fly apart cos the current was too high.

In reality in the core the current set up by the eddies is rather low but the Earth is a big place so there is a lot of eddy & a lot of bulk amps in the induced electric current in the molten metal.

The variance in high energy input of cosmic rays is due to funneling down the magnetic field lines & field pinch which tends to wrap a lot of the lower energy charged particles into the van allen belts where they head for alternate poles and get squeezed back the way they came by the density of faster objects that make it all the way down. All this charge puts the brakes on the high energy items & eventually kicks the lower energy ones out down the auroral funnels via collisional energy transfer.

In a weak field this effect vanishes & particles of almost all energies make it to the upper atmosphere practically unchecked with the resulting collision with upper atmosphere atoms resulting in cyclotron additions of protons & spall creating light metals.
That is the process that ups the 14C ratio in the atmosphere (eventually spits out an electron & becomes stable 14N).

Not a problem for life on the surface but species mutation rate goes up a few notches & suntans take a slightly shorter time to achieve because spall products will slightly impact on ozone levels (a tiny fraction of a percentage).

It will not alter the climate & weather conditions in the atmosphere @ the time but you will get a bubble chamber effect so it will be a mite cloudier in the higher levels of the troposphere & stratosphere with rather more of the noctilucent cloud types in the extreme upper atmosphere visible.

Have a nice day: Ag

[Adrian Godsafe MSc]

Ruger wrote:

And if you ask any one of these hacks, they are all for taxing people for their "footprint".

Mo money, mo money, mo money.

Have a nice day all!

Never a truer word spoken about the politicians slant on climate change.

You are not as idiotic as the rest of the forum make you out to be.

Have a nice day: Ag

ps. Waste not want not:(that was a green agenda quote from a LONG time before climate change ever got to be a problem).
Improve operating efficiency of your engineering products... and the resources & combustion products do not get to be such a problem.

[Adrian Godsafe MSc]

Stan Hunter wrote:

Verbous? I assume you mean verbose.
What is so sad is the fact that fools like you claim the world is cooling while the ice is melting. The world as we know it? I'll bet you don't know where New Zealand is.

Surface features of NZ about to be re arranged by legendary winter storm with high winds, tidal surge, rain, hail, snow, thunder, lightning, cats, dogs & the odd flying Kiwi (green & brown fuzzy round the edges).

This particular "ring storm" has cold front connected to katabatic outflow from Antarctica & warm front sector just connecting with the equatorial moist air from the Rainforest region of N. Australia.

Keep watching that space.

Still waiting for the I was there report on its passage from the resident Ozzie from his loc @ the time (about 2 days ago with it in the wind up stage).

Have a nice day: Ag

[MDJ]

Stan Hunter wrote:

How does the "real truth" differ from the truth? I know, the real truth is sanctioned by Limbo the Bimbo.

I didn't know that limbo the bimbo was your pen name. Quite catchy. I see that as usual you do not debate the issues, just try to discredit the messenger. Obviously it is due to the fact that you can not dispute the science that is starting to show man induced GW as a scam. It is melting faster than any glacier. the article detailing the lack of "hotspots" as called for in Greenhouse theory is by an accredited climotoligist who in the past has been very loudly in support of the man made gw theory. The fact that he is willing to espouse the facts even when they go against his prior position show both moral courage and a true thirst for the truth. I know trhis could never happen for you because you never let the facts get in the way of your positoin and you lack the moral courage to admit you are wrong.

[Fun Facts]

Stan Hunter wrote:

How does the "real truth" differ from the truth? I know, the real truth is sanctioned by Limbo the Bimbo.

It is true that temperatures have warmed over the last 30 years.

It is also true that this is not unprecedented.

If I understanfd your posts, you want to hang your hat on true statement A.

I choose to give more value to true statement B.

Both are true.

[theworldasweknow it]

Adrian Godsafe MSc wrote:

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Surface features of NZ about to be re arranged by legendary winter storm with high winds, tidal surge, rain, hail, snow, thunder, lightning, cats, dogs & the odd flying Kiwi (green & brown fuzzy round the edges).
This particular "ring storm" has cold front connected to katabatic outflow from Antarctica & warm front sector just connecting with the equatorial moist air from the Rainforest region of N. Australia.
Keep watching that space.
Still waiting for the I was there report on its passage from the resident Ozzie from his loc @ the time (about 2 days ago with it in the wind up stage).
Have a nice day: Ag

yeah its starting to look interesting;

http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDE00902.loop....

were starting to get rain here in Syd and its cold