Climate change and global cities

Oct 8, 2013 Full story: The New Zealand Herald 266

Element takes a look at what authorities in Auckland, Wellington and Christchurch are expecting, how they are trying to minimise the damage, and how their plans shape up against those elsewhere.

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SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#1 Oct 8, 2013
"An increasing number of cities are putting resiliency and adaptation plans in place, up from 63 per cent in 2011 to 71 per cent this year. If you want to be a competitive, healthier city, you have to make these changes. More and more cities are thinking and talking about climate change related actions in terms of job generation, cleaner air, decreased congestion, better public services, rather than greenhouse gas emissions reductions, just because it's much more tangible for people. 98 per cent of cities report climate change as a risk. Most of them are reporting risks from temperature increases, heat waves and storms or intense periods of rainfall. On the whole this is right now. This isn't something they are looking at for their children or grandchildren, it is current, in 2013."
Good Aussies

Toronto, Canada

#2 Oct 8, 2013
Ok, we can drop the climate change horsesh!t already, it's a total fraud.

However, moving to clean energy sources is a good idea, as long as they don't involve knuckledragging nuclear power (goodbye seafood, thanks fukushima).

Since: Jul 12

Wellington, New Zealand

#3 Oct 8, 2013
Good Aussies wrote:
Ok, we can drop the climate change horsesh!t already, it's a total fraud.
However, moving to clean energy sources is a good idea, as long as they don't involve knuckledragging nuclear power (goodbye seafood, thanks fukushima).
Try telling that to Kiribati
trev

Geelong, Australia

#4 Oct 8, 2013
the whole Kiribati has been exposed as a total LIE. next alarmist prediction.......
sum_won_els wrote:
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Try telling that to Kiribati
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#5 Oct 8, 2013
sum_won_els wrote:
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Try telling that to Kiribati
Welp... you are right.

So on Oct. 16, the man's lawyer, Michael Kidd, plans to argue the case before New Zealand's High Court. Mr Kidd, who specialises in human rights cases, told The Associated Press he will appeal the case all the way to the country's Supreme Court if necessary.


Legal experts consider the man's case a long shot, but it will nevertheless be closely watched, and might have implications for tens of millions of residents in low-lying islands around the world. Kiribati, an impoverished string of 33 coral atolls about halfway between Hawaii and Australia, has about 103,000 people and has been identified by scientists as among the nations most vulnerable to climate change.


In a transcript of the immigration case obtained by the AP, the Kiribati man describes extreme high tides known as king tides that he says have started to regularly breach Kiribati's defenses - killing crops, flooding homes and sickening residents. New Zealand immigration laws prevent the AP from naming him.


The man said that around 1998, king tides began regularly breaching the sea walls around his village, which was overcrowded and had no sewerage system. He said the fouled drinking water would make people vomit, and that there was no higher ground that would allow villagers to escape the knee-deep water.
[thetelegraph]
Micky

Adelaide, Australia

#6 Oct 8, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
"An increasing number of cities are putting resiliency and adaptation plans in place, up from 63 per cent in 2011 to 71 per cent this year. If you want to be a competitive, healthier city, you have to make these changes. More and more cities are thinking and talking about climate change related actions in terms of job generation, cleaner air, decreased congestion, better public services, rather than greenhouse gas emissions reductions, just because it's much more tangible for people. 98 per cent of cities report climate change as a risk. Most of them are reporting risks from temperature increases, heat waves and storms or intense periods of rainfall. On the whole this is right now. This isn't something they are looking at for their children or grandchildren, it is current, in 2013."
Well apart from putting the country under some kind of dome, so that you can control the atmosphere over the country, you are wasting your time energy and effort. Third world countries can not and will not change. History has now proven that this fear munging climate change bullshit has been going on since the planet was known to exist. A nuclear disaster will not be stopped by anything that we do anyway,and that is going to gets us before this climate change comes.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#7 Oct 8, 2013
Micky wrote:
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Well apart from putting the country under some kind of dome, so that you can control the atmosphere over the country, you are wasting your time energy and effort. Third world countries can not and will not change. History has now proven that this fear munging climate change bullshit has been going on since the planet was known to exist. A nuclear disaster will not be stopped by anything that we do anyway,and that is going to gets us before this climate change comes.
Listen, the third world, a terrible name btw, is not to be blamed now or for a long time to come. If you take the historical emissions, UK is #1 polluter, followed by the USA.

It would take again a long time for the third world to compete with UK and USA.. REMEMBER, today's problems were made by those historical emissions!
Good Aussies

Anonymous Proxy

#8 Oct 8, 2013
Islands sinking or sea levels rising?
http://ianmott.blogspot.ru/2007/03/rising-sea...

Where I live, there has been no rising sea levels. Therefore either 1) my local area is being pushed up due to tectonic activity (as is the entire continent of Australia as I can't find any evidence of anywhere in Australia being threatened by rising sea levels)

or 2) Some islands are sinking due to localised volcanic and tectonic activity.

Isn't it obvious that it is number 2?
lowprofile

Adelaide, Australia

#9 Oct 8, 2013
Hey space balls, I see you're back still pushing your global warming barrow, I thought you had learnt that everything you and the IPCC have said is wrong.

The latest lot of rubbish they are trying to tell us is that after having to finally admit that there has been NO global warming for nearly two decades that there had actually been global warming and we hadn't noticed it because it slipped by us and went into the oceans, are these people serious???

Please stop coming here and feeding us more of the same bullshit, just because you have been sucked in it doesn't mean that the rest of us are as dumb as you.
Micky

Adelaide, Australia

#10 Oct 8, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Listen, the third world, a terrible name btw, is not to be blamed now or for a long time to come. If you take the historical emissions, UK is #1 polluter, followed by the USA.
It would take again a long time for the third world to compete with UK and USA.. REMEMBER, today's problems were made by those historical emissions!
Then explain to me why the Antarctic ice cores have more carbon emissions in them on record millions of years ago than we have in soil samples taken today.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#11 Oct 8, 2013
Micky wrote:
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Then explain to me why the Antarctic ice cores have more carbon emissions in them on record millions of years ago than we have in soil samples taken today.
Look this is the latest:

… following a doubling in carbon dioxide levels, the surface of the ocean turned acidic over a period of weeks or months and global temperatures rose by 5 degrees centigrade – all in the space of about 13 years. Scientists previously thought this process happened over 10,000 years.

“We’ve shown unequivocally what happens when CO2 increases dramatically — as it is now, and as it did 55 million years ago,” Wright said.“The oceans become acidic and the world warms up dramatically.

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/10/08/2...

P.S. Your anecdote is smelly...
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#12 Oct 8, 2013
lowprofile wrote:
Hey space balls, I see you're back still pushing your global warming barrow, I thought you had learnt that everything you and the IPCC have said is wrong.
The latest lot of rubbish they are trying to tell us is that after having to finally admit that there has been NO global warming for nearly two decades that there had actually been global warming and we hadn't noticed it because it slipped by us and went into the oceans, are these people serious???
Please stop coming here and feeding us more of the same bullshit, just because you have been sucked in it doesn't mean that the rest of us are as dumb as you.
Hey lowlife, you need to catch up with reality.

First, your words are not facts. The IPCC have just released their fifth assessment report. Get busy reading.. if you can.
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#13 Oct 8, 2013
Micky wrote:
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Well apart from putting the country under some kind of dome, so that you can control the atmosphere over the country, you are wasting your time energy and effort. Third world countries can not and will not change.
Spaceblue. You should add another step in the 'stages of denial'. The one where you blame someone else for what you have been doing for at least a century. Sure, the answer must be global but denial is local..

Oh, and it is a non-sequitur anyway. Developing nations, are by their development 'changing'. And mostly they do a better job of changing than we do. They have the advantage of not having massive investments in dirty technology.
Micky wrote:
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History has now proven that this fear munging climate change bullshit has been going on since the planet was known to exist.
Climate change has been going on for as long as the planet, certainly. But not at this RATE, not from OUR causing it, and not while we are DEPENDENT on a stable climate for food and other resources. Nor while we are vulnerable to changes that affect our infrastructure such as sea level rise and more violent weather events.
Micky wrote:
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A nuclear disaster will not be stopped by anything that we do anyway,and that is going to gets us before this climate change comes.
Yah, Yah, We might die tomorrow of ptomain poisoning so why worry? How old ARE you?
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#14 Oct 8, 2013
Micky wrote:
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Then explain to me why the Antarctic ice cores have more carbon emissions in them on record millions of years ago than we have in soil samples taken today.
It would be stupid to compare ice cores (holding atmospheric levels) and soil samples (dominated by plant residues). Did you pass grade school?
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#15 Oct 8, 2013
Good Aussies wrote:
Islands sinking or sea levels rising?
http://ianmott.blogspot.ru/2007/03/rising-sea...
Where I live, there has been no rising sea levels. Therefore either 1) my local area is being pushed up due to tectonic activity (as is the entire continent of Australia as I can't find any evidence of anywhere in Australia being threatened by rising sea levels)
or 2) Some islands are sinking due to localised volcanic and tectonic activity.
Isn't it obvious that it is number 2?
Why do you like to read someone like him?

Here's more mainstream for anybody:

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2013/09/ris...

P.S. i don't know where you live.
Micky

Adelaide, Australia

#16 Oct 8, 2013
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
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It would be stupid to compare ice cores (holding atmospheric levels) and soil samples (dominated by plant residues). Did you pass grade school?
Yes i did, O'h the fact that we are traveling closer to the sun will cause on the increase of temperature as well. The divisions of the land mass and the change in the continents and the demise of the seas and the formation of new countries and the volcanic activity of the earth all have played a role. Not forgetting the deforestation of the planet. CFC gas in the atmosphere was the first threat and now that we have stopped using it, it is something else. The title global warming now changed to climate change due to the fact that there has been no warming for years,is a political focus for the people so that were have a concern to focus on rather than what they are up to. Yes history has taught me that the planet will change but there is nothing that we can do except move to the moon.
lowprofile

Adelaide, Australia

#17 Oct 8, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Hey lowlife, you need to catch up with reality.
First, your words are not facts. The IPCC have just released their fifth assessment report. Get busy reading.. if you can.
And did you understand it, they admitted what I have been trying to tell you for months and you called me a liar even when I told you NASA had the same opinion, NO GLOBAL WARMING FOR AT LEAST 15 YEARS.

It really doesn't matter what the IPCC has to say, they are a spent force,there are now calls from some governments for them to be disbanded, they have cost billions globally and done nothing but talk crap, their 'models' have proven to be nothing but a bad joke.
lowprofile

Adelaide, Australia

#18 Oct 8, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Why do you like to read someone like him?
Here's more mainstream for anybody:
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2013/09/ris...
P.S. i don't know where you live.
P.S."I don't know where you live" not just that, you don't appear to know which way is up
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#19 Oct 8, 2013
lowprofile wrote:
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P.S."I don't know where you live" not just that, you don't appear to know which way is up
WRONG. I know you are down under, lowlife... and I'm up over.

hahahahaha
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#20 Oct 8, 2013
lowprofile wrote:
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And did you understand it, they admitted what I have been trying to tell you for months and you called me a liar even when I told you NASA had the same opinion, NO GLOBAL WARMING FOR AT LEAST 15 YEARS.
It really doesn't matter what the IPCC has to say, they are a spent force,there are now calls from some governments for them to be disbanded, they have cost billions globally and done nothing but talk crap, their 'models' have proven to be nothing but a bad joke.
blah blah.. you have no idea and no interest in learning the facts.

Stay in the dark.. when your kids are learning what you refuse to accept. I don't like your attitude.

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