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MUQ wrote:

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The Genealogy of Jesus as recorded in Matthew is totally different from the one recorded in Luke from David Downwards.

AND IF THE GOSPELS WERE FORGED BY CHRISTIANS WHY DO YOU THINK THEY LEFT THEM DIFFERENT?

I know the answer: Because both Joseph and Mary were descendants of King David!!!!! Matthew, who wrote his gospel for Jewish readers, records the geneology of Joseph because Jews don't consider the bloodline of females. Matthew therefore recorded the legal line of Jesus to the throne. Luke, who wrote his gospel for the gentiles, gives the geneology of Mary, proving that Jesus was a blood descendant of King David.

God allowed both geneologies to go in to show that a cursed King was on Joseph's line, therefore God had to do the virgin birth trick to both honor His curse and Keep His promise to King David at the same time.

MUQ wrote:

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Only two names are common, David and Joseph the Carpenter (who had nothing to do at all with Jesus’ Genealogy).

AND LOOK HOW ST. LUKE WORDED IT:'being AS WAS SUPPOSED son of Joseph; of Eli,' Luke traces the genealogy of Jesus from Heli, the father of Mary and father-inlaw of Joseph, the wife of Joseph. This line of descent establishes Jesus' NATURAL right to the Messiahship as a son of David.

MUQ wrote:

<quoted text>How could both be true and how could both be revealed by the same God?

I JUST TOLD YOU THE ANSWER and if you are not satisfied with that you are going to have to work out why noone ever changed it!!!!!!!

JESUS is

Judged:

Mary wrote:

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Hello,
That is good.It is good you believe in God who saved your life, so for you to be Christian, what do you think is expected of you? what do you think a Christian should do? How is your life saved?
anyway peace.

I am convinced I have been allowed to return because God knew I would form a relationship with Him,(I never went to church or read the Bible before); and I believe God wants me to bring believers back with me when I return.

I spend heaps of my time careing for other disabled people and providing peer-support.

Mary

Olney, MD

JESUS is wrote:

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I am convinced I have been allowed to return because God knew I would form a relationship with Him,(I never went to church or read the Bible before); and I believe God wants me to bring believers back with me when I return.
I spend heaps of my time careing for other disabled people and providing peer-support.

Hello,

I am glad to hear that you spend heaps of your time caring for other disabled people and providing peer support. That is nice.....You need to read the Bible more and more...and go to local Church or sit at home, pray, keep your faith more stronger...

I didn't understand what you means by God wants me to bring belivers back with me when I return? return from where ?

anyway peace

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Mary wrote:

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new adams,
No, there is no contradictions in the Bible.

Dear mary, i got some of these while i'm reading bible:
1)The Bible speaks about the creation of the universe. In the beginning, 1st Book, Book of Genesis, 1st Ch., it is mentioned - It says… "Almighty God created the Heavens and the Earth, in six days" and talks about a evening and a morning, referring to a 24 - hour day. Today scientists tell us, that the universe cannot be created in a 24 hour period of six days.
2)Bible says in Genesis Ch. No. 1 Verses No. 3 and 5,…"Light was created on the first day." genesis, Ch., 1 Verses, 14 to 19… "The cause of light - stars and the sun, etc. was created on the fourth day". How can the cause of light be created on the 4th day - later than the light which came into existence on the first day?- It is unscientific.
3)It is mentioned in the Bible, in the book of Hebrews, Ch. No.1 Verses No.10 and 11, and the book of Psalms, Ch. No.102, Verse No.25 and 26, that…"Almighty God created the Heavens and the Earth, and they will perish." Exactly opposite is mentioned in the book of Ecclesiastics, Ch. No.1, Verse No.4, and the book of Psalms, Ch. No.78, Verse No.69, that… "The earth will abide forever."
4)Bible says heaven have got pillars. Not only do the Heavens have got pillars - Bible says in the first book of Samuel, Ch. No.2 Verses No.8, as well as the book of Job Ch. No.9, Verse No.6, and the book of Psalms Ch. No.75, Verse No.3, that… "Even the earth have got pillars."

JESUS is

Judged:

Mary wrote:

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Hello,
I am glad to hear that you spend heaps of your time caring for other disabled people and providing peer support. That is nice.....You need to read the Bible more and more...and go to local Church or sit at home, pray, keep your faith more stronger...
I didn't understand what you means by God wants me to bring belivers back with me when I return? return from where ?
anyway peace

Next time I'm there in front if Him. When I return to Him. When I finally die like everyone else.

JESUS is

neo adams wrote:

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Dear mary, i got some of these while i'm reading bible:
1)The Bible speaks about the creation of the universe. In the beginning, 1st Book, Book of Genesis, 1st Ch., it is mentioned - It says… "Almighty God created the Heavens and the Earth, in six days" and talks about a evening and a morning, referring to a 24 - hour day. Today scientists tell us, that the universe cannot be created in a 24 hour period of six days.

GENESIS ONE does not say "Almighty God created the Heavens and the Earth in six days", Genesis one starts:
'1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.'
Then it goes on to describe his formation of the formless earth and the creation of life. God doesn't reveal how long He left the earth watery and formless and doesn't reveal how long His days are. How could He measure His days like we do when He hadn't even created the sun and how could His days be like ours if He exists outside of time.?

JESUS is

neo adams wrote:

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2)Bible says in Genesis Ch. No. 1 Verses No. 3 and 5,…"Light was created on the first day." genesis, Ch., 1 Verses, 14 to 19… "The cause of light - stars and the sun, etc. was created on the fourth day". How can the cause of light be created on the 4th day - later than the light which came into existence on the first day?- It is unscientific.

You are asking how can the creator of light create it without help. Light and the sun are two serperate things, otherwise we'd be left in the dark when the sun goes down. God created the sun to give light when He'd finished and the moon to reflect the sun's light.

Malcolm X

Scranton, PA

Six or eight days of creation?

Sura 7:54, 10:3, 11:7, and 25:59 clearly say that God created "the heavens and the earth" in six days. But then there is also the following passage:

2 Say: Is it that ye deny Him Who created the earth in TWO Days
And do ye join equals with Him? He is the Lord of (all) the Worlds.
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He set on the (earth), mountains standing firm, high above it,
and bestowed blessings on the earth, and measured therein all things
4 to give them nourishment in due proportion, in FOUR Days
in accordance with (the needs of) those who seek (Sustenance).

Moreover He comprehended in His design the sky,
and it had been (as) smoke: He said to it and to the earth:
"Come ye together, willingly or unwillingly."
They said: "We do come (together), in willing obedience."
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2 So He completed them as seven firmaments in TWO Days,
and He assigned to each heaven its duty and command.
And We adorned the lower heaven with lights,
and (provided it) with guard.
Such is the Decree of (Him) the Exalted in Might, Full of Knowledge.
-- Sura 41:9-12 (Yusuf Ali)

= 8 altogether these are EIGHT Days.

Two days for the creation of the earth, then four days to fill the earth with mountains, blessings and nourishment for all its inhabitants, and in the end two more days to create the seven heavens and create the stars in them. This adds up to 2+4+2 = 8 days in contradiction to the 6 days mentioned in the other verses.

The structure is very clear: These are the three "layers" which are created bottom up:

*** FIRMAMENTS [the sky, the "roof" over the earth] in 2 days
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:-) BLESSINGS [filling the earth with everything needed for life] in 4 days
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=== The EARTH [the foundation] completed in 2 days

JOEL PASTAKIA

JESUS is wrote:

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You are asking how can the creator of light create it without help. Light and the sun are two serperate things, otherwise we'd be left in the dark when the sun goes down. God created the sun to give light when He'd finished and the moon to reflect the sun's light.

Hey, you foolish creationist, you mean that your extra-cosmic, anthropomorphic god despite having no causal connection with anything yet somehow managed to create the cosmos out of nothing ! Anything more absurd than this !

Give the details of this creationist act !

JESUS is

neo adams wrote:

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3)It is mentioned in the Bible, in the book of Hebrews, Ch. No.1 Verses No.10 and 11, and the book of Psalms, Ch. No.102, Verse No.25 and 26, that…"Almighty God created the Heavens and the Earth, and they will perish." Exactly opposite is mentioned in the book of Ecclesiastics, Ch. No.1, Verse No.4, and the book of Psalms, Ch. No.78, Verse No.69, that… "The earth will abide forever."

Our creator destroyed the earth and everything on it's surface once with water, but did the earth as a land mass perish.?

Keep in mind that both the book of Psalms and Ecclesiastics are both poetry.

JESUS is

JOEL PASTAKIA wrote:

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Hey, you foolish creationist, you mean that your extra-cosmic, anthropomorphic god despite having no causal connection with anything yet somehow managed to create the cosmos out of nothing ! Anything more absurd than this !
Give the details of this creationist act !

I CAN THINK OF SOMETHING EVEN MORE ABSURD: Believing that the cosmos appeared by accident out of nothing, for no reason!!!!!!

JESUS is

neo adams wrote:

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4)Bible says heaven have got pillars. Not only do the Heavens have got pillars - Bible says in the first book of Samuel, Ch. No.2 Verses No.8, as well as the book of Job Ch. No.9, Verse No.6, and the book of Psalms Ch. No.75, Verse No.3, that… "Even the earth have got pillars."

In Job 9:6
The Hebrew word 'ammud' has been translated "pillars" in the book of Job, but note the context in Job 9:5:

'JOB 9:5
'Which removeth the MOUNTAINS, and they know not: which overturneth them in his anger. Which shaketh the earth out of her place, and the pillars thereof tremble.'
JOB 26:11
'The pillars of heaven tremble and are astonished at his reproof.'

In both cases we are dealing with a situation that is charged with poetic indications (pillars that can be "astonished"?) and we are obliged not to read things too literally.(Same also, Ps. 75:3.)

HughBe

Portmore, Jamaica

JESUS is wrote:

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In Job 9:6
The Hebrew word 'ammud' has been translated "pillars" in the book of Job, but note the context in Job 9:5:
'JOB 9:5
'Which removeth the MOUNTAINS, and they know not: which overturneth them in his anger. Which shaketh the earth out of her place, and the pillars thereof tremble.'
JOB 26:11
'The pillars of heaven tremble and are astonished at his reproof.'
In both cases we are dealing with a situation that is charged with poetic indications (pillars that can be "astonished"?) and we are obliged not to read things too literally.(Same also, Ps. 75:3.)

Job26:7 "He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and HANGETH the earth upon NOTHING.

HughBe

Portmore, Jamaica

neo adams wrote:

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Dear mary, i got some of these while i'm reading bible:
1)The Bible speaks about the creation of the universe. In the beginning, 1st Book, Book of Genesis, 1st Ch., it is mentioned - It says… "Almighty God created the Heavens and the Earth, in six days" and talks about a evening and a morning, referring to a 24 - hour day. Today scientists tell us, that the universe cannot be created in a 24 hour period of six days.
2)Bible says in Genesis Ch. No. 1 Verses No. 3 and 5,…"Light was created on the first day." genesis, Ch., 1 Verses, 14 to 19… "The cause of light - stars and the sun, etc. was created on the fourth day". How can the cause of light be created on the 4th day - later than the light which came into existence on the first day?- It is unscientific.
3)It is mentioned in the Bible, in the book of Hebrews, Ch. No.1 Verses No.10 and 11, and the book of Psalms, Ch. No.102, Verse No.25 and 26, that…"Almighty God created the Heavens and the Earth, and they will perish." Exactly opposite is mentioned in the book of Ecclesiastics, Ch. No.1, Verse No.4, and the book of Psalms, Ch. No.78, Verse No.69, that… "The earth will abide forever."
4)Bible says heaven have got pillars. Not only do the Heavens have got pillars - Bible says in the first book of Samuel, Ch. No.2 Verses No.8, as well as the book of Job Ch. No.9, Verse No.6, and the book of Psalms Ch. No.75, Verse No.3, that… "Even the earth have got pillars."

“Bible says in Genesis Ch. No. 1 Verses No. 3 and 5,…"Light was created on the first day." genesis, Ch., 1 Verses, 14 to 19… "The cause of light - stars and the sun, etc. was created on the fourth day". How can the cause of light be created on the 4th day - later than the light which came into existence on the first day?- It is unscientific.”

“Bible says in Genesis Ch. No. 1 Verses No. 3 and 5,…"Light was created on the first day."

Wrong! The Bible did not say that “Light was created on the first day."

This is what it says “And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.”

Let me explain, Here God is saying let the light that surrounds Me shine through the “darkness (which) was upon the face of the deep”. Here, the creation was the establishment of the day not the Source of the Light.

GOD is the One “Who covers Himself with light as with a garment” Psalm104:2
In other words GOD is surrounded by light and that was the SOURCE of the light until the sun etc. were created.

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JESUS is wrote:

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GENESIS ONE does not say "Almighty God created the Heavens and the Earth in six days", Genesis one starts:
'1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.'
Then it goes on to describe his formation of the formless earth and the creation of life. God doesn't reveal how long He left the earth watery and formless and doesn't reveal how long His days are. How could He measure His days like we do when He hadn't even created the sun and how could His days be like ours if He exists outside of time.?

Dear brother, read from Genesis chapter 1 verse 1 to chapter 2 verse 3 then you will understand what i am saying.

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JESUS is wrote:

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GENESIS ONE does not say "Almighty God created the Heavens and the Earth in six days", Genesis one starts:
'1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.'
Then it goes on to describe his formation of the formless earth and the creation of life. God doesn't reveal how long He left the earth watery and formless and doesn't reveal how long His days are. How could He measure His days like we do when He hadn't even created the sun and how could His days be like ours if He exists outside of time.?

Dear brother, read from Genesis chapter 1 verse 1 to chapter 2 verse 3 then you will understand what i am saying.
look carefully at genesis chapter 2 verse 2 and 3:"And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made." And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made."

Gods Seer

Coldwater, OH

MUQ wrote:

To: Mary
So you agree that there is a possibility for false prophets to come and false doctrines to be preached and false books to be written.
That is why prophets told you to be on guard against these teachings and check first before believing in it.
The Genealogy of Jesus as recorded in Matthew is totally different from the one recorded in Luke from David Downwards. Only two names are common, David and Joseph the Carpenter (who had nothing to do at all with Jesus’ Genealogy).
How could both be true and how could both be revealed by the same God?
One of them is not speaking the truth….tell me which one?
How can you say, all the 4 Gospels are the same? John is so

Muslims have an inate ability to think shallow.
The Levirate Father was a Jewish Tradition
In the Jewish world of that time, there was concern about a man’s legal inheritance. It seems that often a man would marry a woman, but die before he had fathered any children. The custom was for the deceased man’s brother to marry the widow. The first child born from that marriage would be considered the legal heir and descendant of the deceased man, even though he was the biological son of the man’s brother.

This practice was the basis for the question the Sadducees asked Jesus about a man dying childless and his brother marrying his widow, as recorded in Matthew 22:23-33. It has its basis in Deuteronomy 25:5-6:“If brothers are living together and one of them dies without a son, his widow must not marry outside the family. Her husband’s brother shall take her and marry her and fulfill the duty of a brother-in-law to her. The first son she bears shall carry on the name of the dead brother so that his name will not be blotted out from Israel.”[NIV]
Matthew says he was the son of Jacob. Luke says he was the son of Heli. Both of these statement cannot be true, unless one is his legal father, and one his biological father. Both of these men have been proposed for both positions: legal father and biological father. No evidence exists outside of scripture that can be used to prove this theory.

Inclusions and Omissions in Matthew’s Account May be Significant Clues
Matthew’s gospel tells the story of Jesus’ birth from the point of view of Joseph, while Luke tells it from the point of view of Mary. Matthew appears to be concerned with symbolism in the ancestry he lists. He divides the descendants from Abraham to David, to the exile to Babylon and to Joseph into three groups of fourteen; this is the topic of special mention. But he includes only forty-one names. King David’s name is used twice.

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