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The 1% Love Solar Subsidies Paid By The Other 99%

There are 13 comments on the www.science20.com story from Oct 30, 2011, titled The 1% Love Solar Subsidies Paid By The Other 99%. In it, www.science20.com reports that:

The 99%, those people protesting current government and corporate greed, think banks are the problem, yet they don't seem to realize banks aren't the biggest problem ... (more)

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lazy eight

New York, NY

#1 Oct 30, 2011
duh. Solar to start-up is $$$$.
if it was within the reach of the "99%," probably a lot more people would use it.@ this point, "saving the earth" is still a rich man's game.[Wow, I gotta repeat that elsewhere.
Dutch

United States

#2 Oct 30, 2011
I have solar and i am in that 99% you mention.
Solarman

Yucca Valley, CA

#3 Oct 31, 2011
Wow, Hank Campbell purveyor of truth and justice?

"If you are rich and in California and care about solar energy enough to do something, there is a pretty good chance the $3.3 billion all Californians have tacked onto their utility bills to bolster 'clean' energy is really just going into the pockets of you, just like those other tax breaks the 99% say are a bad thing."

No, more like Hank the Yank as in Yanks his 'facts' out of his rectum. That 3.3 billion paid by 'all' Californians is also 'available' to all Californians to help them install solar on their homes. I think the beginning of 'rich' for Obama and Biden at least is 250K a year in wages. My wife and I both work and we wish we had half of rich. We do have solar PV on our home's roof. It keeps our electric bill extremely low or erases it completely each month. You only have to install the solar once. The rebates and tax incentives are a one time deal also. So Yank, master of economics, take 40K put it in the bank at a whopping 0.5 to 1.5% annual interest and let it 'grow' or 40K on one's roof in PV to limit or eliminate one's electric bill for life. Right now the 40K on the roof will net more payback than 40K in the bank. What's this feel good about not being part of the problem crap? Ever heard of self defense? As the world grows (7 billion and counting)energy costs will rise in the years to come, the solar PV installed today will pay for itself sooner, than later. So the institutionalised ROI is a lame attempt to make an excuse NOT to do anything, rather than a 'tax' on the 99%. The Government is actually allowing the 99% to get some of their tax money back for installing solar. It also carries over to the mentioned energy efficiency programs which retrofit homes and businesses with items like added insulation, dual or tripple pane windows and even energy star appliances. Get some facts first Yank, then form an opinion for your next piece. www.dsireusa.org

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#4 Nov 9, 2011
Solarman wrote:
Get some facts first Yank, then form an opinion for your next piece. www.dsireusa.org
If this weren't just an excused to shill for your group, it might feel more authentic. How are solar subsidies and rebates available to poor people? Only rich people can afford solar in the first place.

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Solarman

Yucca Valley, CA

#5 Nov 9, 2011
Cash wrote:
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If this weren't just an excused to shill for your group, it might feel more authentic. How are solar subsidies and rebates available to poor people? Only rich people can afford solar in the first place.
MY, group is not among the rich, from anyone's definition, dumbazz. Stop making excuses and become part of the solution instead of part of the problem. www.dsireusa.org seek and ye shall find, dumbazz!
Damien

Mentor, OH

#6 Nov 10, 2011
Cash wrote:
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If this weren't just an excused to shill for your group, it might feel more authentic. How are solar subsidies and rebates available to poor people? Only rich people can afford solar in the first place.
Wow !!! Didn't know I was rich !!! Thanks for telling me . You must be as poor as a church mouse.

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#7 Nov 15, 2011
Damien wrote:
<quoted text>Wow !!! Didn't know I was rich !!! Thanks for telling me . You must be as poor as a church mouse.
The data is the data. The subsidies are rebates wasted on solar that could instead be used to weatherproof and improve existing apartments and dwellings in low income neighborhoods would save far, far more energy and emissions. It's nice that you feel like you are helping, but it's just that, a feeling.
Ronald

Bellflower, CA

#8 Nov 15, 2011
"Green" is used as a marketing slogan for Government licensed and controlled "private" businesses to justify the overpricing of goods, or otherwise for the purpose of transferring the modest "worth" of the worker *("middle")* class to the deep pockets of the revolutionaries.*(now in power)*

More likely than not, the resultant "protected" low quality goods sold in the post 60s 70s era Government controlled marketplace are engineered for the purpose of needing to be replaced shortly after the expiration of any "product guarantee" in cases where the consumer lets himself be suckered into throwing good money after bad through the "purchase" of such " guarantees".

Since the 60s 70s revolution, revolutionary Government have run a Mafia-like protection racket for the purpose of eliminating competition. Clever marketing tricks and slogans are dreamed up by expensive taxpayer funded marketing divisions of business Departments at universities located in revolutionary controlled cities such as Berkeley *(of "filthy speech" fame")* and Long Beach.*(of revolutionary social and economic taxpayer funded redistribution scheme fame)*

How do revolutionary Councils who are in control of those cities use parliamentary technicalities to "justify" using their heavily armed taxpayer funded politicized cops deal with "ordinary" peaceful citizens who insist on speaking out in hopes of having a long train of revolutionary Government abuses redressed?

Source: http://goo.gl/qFFPi *(please note the armed long Billy Club bearing cop facing down the young White kid at about minute 3:20 as he awaits "orders" from his Long Beach revolutionary Council bosses)*

Source: http://goo.gl/tlXA7

Source: http://goo.gl/dU3gY *(please note that all - or nearly all - of these kids appear to be peaceful worker *("middle")* class White kids)*

Source: http://goo.gl/W34cZ

Ronald
jackie blue

United States

#9 Nov 15, 2011
Cash wrote:
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The data is the data. The subsidies are rebates wasted on solar that could instead be used to weatherproof and improve existing apartments and dwellings in low income neighborhoods would save far, far more energy and emissions. It's nice that you feel like you are helping, but it's just that, a feeling.
I'm helping myself cut utility expenses with solar....you ??
jackie blue

United States

#10 Nov 15, 2011
Ronald wrote:
"Green" is used as a marketing slogan for Government licensed and controlled "private" businesses to justify the overpricing of goods, or otherwise for the purpose of transferring the modest "worth" of the worker *("middle")* class to the deep pockets of the revolutionaries.*(now in power)*
More likely than not, the resultant "protected" low quality goods sold in the post 60s 70s era Government controlled marketplace are engineered for the purpose of needing to be replaced shortly after the expiration of any "product guarantee" in cases where the consumer lets himself be suckered into throwing good money after bad through the "purchase" of such " guarantees".
Since the 60s 70s revolution, revolutionary Government have run a Mafia-like protection racket for the purpose of eliminating competition. Clever marketing tricks and slogans are dreamed up by expensive taxpayer funded marketing divisions of business Departments at universities located in revolutionary controlled cities such as Berkeley *(of "filthy speech" fame")* and Long Beach.*(of revolutionary social and economic taxpayer funded redistribution scheme fame)*
How do revolutionary Councils who are in control of those cities use parliamentary technicalities to "justify" using their heavily armed taxpayer funded politicized cops deal with "ordinary" peaceful citizens who insist on speaking out in hopes of having a long train of revolutionary Government abuses redressed?
Source: http://goo.gl/qFFPi *(please note the armed long Billy Club bearing cop facing down the young White kid at about minute 3:20 as he awaits "orders" from his Long Beach revolutionary Council bosses)*
Source: http://goo.gl/tlXA7
Source: http://goo.gl/dU3gY *(please note that all - or nearly all - of these kids appear to be peaceful worker *("middle")* class White kids)*
Source: http://goo.gl/W34cZ
Ronald
You talk a lot of sh!t but don't say much......
Ronald

Bellflower, CA

#11 Nov 15, 2011
jackie blue wrote:
<quoted text>You talk a lot of sh!t but don't say much......
jackie blue.

Yes. It's a complete turnabout. During the revolution the cops had a strong worker *("middle")* class self identity. As a result they earned the contempt of the revolutionaries. Who can ever forget pictures of the revolutionaries *(now in power)* throwing urine and feces into the faces of worker *("middle")* class cops, while calling them PIGS?

After the revolutionaries finally seized control of Government and Government controlled institutions, they politicized the taxpayer funded cops for the purpose of carrying out revolutionary objectives. Today, we watch the sorry spectacle of politicized White worker *("middle")* class cops carrying out orders of their revolutionary masters to attack those of their own abused class.

Ronald

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#12 Nov 23, 2011
jackie blue wrote:
<quoted text>I'm helping myself cut utility expenses with solar....you ??
How much do you think you have spent to save?'Money saved' is a variable unless you know what you would have spent. If you are actually saving money with solar, and didn't reduce your lifestyle, either you got subsidies from taxpayers to do it or you are the only person in America winning with current solar.
KRAZYGLUE

Morocco, IN

#13 Nov 23, 2011
Cash wrote:
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How much do you think you have spent to save?'Money saved' is a variable unless you know what you would have spent. If you are actually saving money with solar, and didn't reduce your lifestyle, either you got subsidies from taxpayers to do it or you are the only person in America winning with current solar.
Another self proclaimed expert who knows nothing of what he speaks......

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