Sea level rise: It's worse than we th...

Sea level rise: It's worse than we thought

There are 3772 comments on the New Scientist story from Jul 2, 2009, titled Sea level rise: It's worse than we thought. In it, New Scientist reports that:

FOR a few minutes David Holland forgets about his work and screams like a kid on a roller coaster.

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SpaceBlues

United States

#2145 Oct 5, 2012
tina anne wrote:
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How was I wrong when I claimed that he must of misplaced a decimal point. I never said by how much.
Only an ignorant would argue this way about units. You don't have a clue.

You have no shame.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#2146 Oct 6, 2012
FuGyou wrote:
Yeah, right, and it looks like you'll still be saying that for 50 to 60 years while there is open water at the pole.
You won't be saying anything in 50 to 60 years time, unless green trolls live forever.
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litesong

Everett, WA

#2147 Oct 6, 2012
steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling wrote:
You won't be saying anything in 50 to 60 years time.....
Salvation by the Blood of the Lamb puts the LIE to the beliefs of "steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling", who is a slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pig AND WHO IS AN ATHEIST.

Did I state that I love to type, "steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling", is a slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pig?

Yes, I do love to type, "steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling" is a slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pig.

However, I don't think I'll be able to mention in the Kingdom of Heaven that, "steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling" is a slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pig.

So I'll mention it again that, "steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling", is a slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pig?
litesong

Everett, WA

#2148 Oct 6, 2012
A stunning performance(actually a non-performance) the last four days, showing Arctic sea ice NOT piling on great amounts of sea ice on the Arctic Ocean, surrounding seas & landforms. Four days ago, Arctic sea ice expansion was only the size of West Virginia! Three days ago, THE ARCTIC SEA ICE AREA EXPANSION WAS ONLY AS TINY AS DELAWARE!
Called a secondary feedback in AGW, solar energy absorption by historically unrecorded amounts of clear Arctic waters is putting on an incredible show in a non-performing role, well worthy of an Academy Award. With a stoic unchanging face, almost all Arctic waters refuse to ice:
Details below:
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litesong wrote:
Arctic sea ice extent is BELOW any recorded level in any previous year, at 4,173,594 km2 (October 3, 2012), fractionally gaining ~7,000 km2(a bit more than tiny Delaware area) of sea ice the previous day, the sun, unseen, from North Pole for ~2 weeks, & temps above the 80th parallel, at -13 degC. Temps on landforms surrounding the Arctic Ocean are dropping well below freezing, yet Arctic Ocean & seas still remain remarkably free of sea ice. Much warmth built up in Arctic waters these past months is resisting its conversion back to sea ice, especially southern Arctic waters which have seen much more solar energy absorbed than northern Arctic clear waters. Only along the Greenland east coast is sea ice extending greatly south.
It is stunning how the southern Arctic waters resist the ever increasing darkness & cold atmospheric temperatures trying to convert water to sea ice(yes, only Connecticut area, this past day).
This same Arctic Ocean warmth is & will continue to keep Arctic sea ice thinner through the coming winter & even spring. As of October 2, Arctic sea ice VOLUME is ~23% lower than any satellite recorded year AND indications of submarine-detected Arctic sea ice yearly VOLUME.
Yes, the Arctic sea ice VOLUME is disappearing, day to day, & year to year, quicker than the Arctic sea ice extent, even in the time of Arctic sea ice increase.
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litesong continues:
Presently, Arctic sea ice extent is about the same or below as any minimum Arctic sea ice of any recorded year, & has been for 5-6 weeks, either by satellite or submarine data, at 4,256,875 km2 (October 5, 2012). Over the last two days, only the area represented by S. Carolina has become sea ice, despite the sun, unseen, from North Pole for ~2 weeks, temperatures above the 80th parallel averaging minus 14 degC, & temperatures on landforms surrounding the Arctic Ocean dropping well below freezing(as low as -10degC).

Almost all large region southerly Arctic waters, including the Northwest Passage, Northeast passage, waters north of Alaska & waters even north of Russian Islands, Franz Joseph Land, & Svalbard are ice free. Year long sea ices have been in place north of Canada & Greenland. The farthest southerly reaching sea ices are along the east coast of Greenland. Much warmth built up in Arctic waters these past months are resisting their conversion back to sea ice, especially southern Arctic waters which have seen much more solar energy absorbed than northern Arctic clear waters.

This same Arctic Ocean warmth is & will continue to keep Arctic sea ice thinner through the coming winter & even spring. As of October 2, Arctic sea ice VOLUME is ~23% lower than any satellite recorded year AND indications of submarine-detected Arctic sea ice yearly VOLUME.

Downwellings in unusual clear Arctic waters, normally sea ice covered, have transported extra solar energy to continental shelf & Arctic Ocean & sea depths.

Yeah, despite the feeble denial efforts of 'steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling', a slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pig, to discount this thread, this thread is alive.
PHD

Houston, TX

#2149 Oct 6, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>You won't be saying anything in 50 to 60 years time, unless green trolls live forever.
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How would you know what will happen in 50 to 60 years time. Heck you can't tell us what's going on from day to day. Have you seen your care giver toaday?

“Denying those who deny nature”

Since: Jun 07

Norfolk va

#2150 Oct 8, 2012
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Only an ignorant would argue this way about units. You don't have a clue.
You have no shame.
No, only the intelligent would pay attention to such details. those who are ignorant would not know of such and those who are stupid would not care about such.

As for who has no shame. What shame is there in telling everyone the truth, pointing out the facts.
PHD

Houston, TX

#2151 Oct 8, 2012
tina anne wrote:
<quoted text>
No, only the intelligent would pay attention to such details. those who are ignorant would not know of such and those who are stupid would not care about such.
As for who has no shame. What shame is there in telling everyone the truth, pointing out the facts.
Yes you have said a true statement and may I add the first. We have no shame pointing out that "YOU" are Less than a Box of Rocks. You never answerd the question. Now what school hired you to teach. We would like to forward some of your great teaching momments you ahve shared with us over the years.
SpaceBlues

United States

#2152 Oct 8, 2012
tina anne wrote:
<quoted text>
No, only the intelligent would pay attention to such details. those who are ignorant would not know of such and those who are stupid would not care about such.
Not correct.

You had just thrown out a sentence that you had heard somewhere when numbers and units were mentioned. Only an ignorant responds like you do. We know you well. You are ignorant.

Also, you are not inteligent to be parading in front of the world, revealing how you are. You are making US look BAD and ugly.

Give it up, sister.
litesong

Everett, WA

#2154 Oct 8, 2012
The Arctic sea ice minimum extent this year was almost 300,000 square miles(twice the area of California) smaller than the previous minimum set in September 2007, which itself was an incredible drop.
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litesong wrote:
A stunning performance(actually a non-performance) showing Arctic sea ice NOT piling on, in great amounts of sea ice on the Arctic Ocean, surrounding seas & against landforms.
Called a secondary feedback in AGW, solar energy absorption by historically unrecorded amounts of clear Arctic waters is putting on an incredible show in a non-performing role, well worthy of an Academy Award. With a stoic unchanging face, almost all Arctic waters refuse to ice.

Except for the sea ices north of Greenland & Canadian islands, the Arctic ice pack shows a strong resemblance to a semi-circle, strengthening the assumption that Arctic Ocean waters & seas have very strongly absorbed solar energies the last 3 months, due to the rotating Earth variably tilted towards the sun.
Details below:
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litesong wrote:
Arctic sea ice extent is a bit greater than the lowest minimum of any other year recorded, either by satellite or submarine data, at 4,377,800 km2 (October 6, 2012). Only the area represented by Pennsylvania has become sea ice, despite the sun, unseen, from North Pole for ~2 weeks, temperatures above the 80th parallel averaging minus 14 degC for the last three days, & temperatures on landforms surrounding the Arctic Ocean dropping as low as -12degC. Much warmth built up in Arctic waters these past months is resisting its conversion back to sea ice, especially southern Arctic waters which have seen much more solar energy absorbed than northern Arctic clear waters.

This same Arctic Ocean warmth is & will continue to keep Arctic sea ice thinner through the coming winter & even spring. As of October 2, Arctic sea ice VOLUME is ~23% lower than any satellite recorded year AND indications of submarine-detected Arctic sea ice yearly VOLUME.
Yes, the Arctic sea ice VOLUME is disappearing, year to year, quicker than the Arctic sea ice extent.
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litesong continues:
Presently, Arctic sea ice extent is above the lowest of any previous year's minimum Arctic sea ice extent, at 4,477,031 km2 (October 7, 2012). With one week into October, temperatures above the 80th parallel averaging minus 14 degC, normal for the last three days & temperatures on landforms surrounding the Arctic Ocean dropping as low as -12degC, southern Arctic sea ice has increased by smaller than the size of Kentucky.
Much of that sea ice increase is along the Greenland east coast, altho Arctic ice pack is closer to the Russian islands, Franz Joseph Land & Svalbard, again in the circular pattern mentioned above. Almost all large region southerly Arctic waters, including the Northwest Passage, Northeast passage, waters north of Alaska & waters north of mentioned islands are ice free.

Arctic Ocean warmth is & will continue to keep Arctic sea ice thinner through the coming winter & even spring. As of October 2, Arctic sea ice VOLUME is ~23% lower than any satellite recorded year AND from indications of submarine-detected Arctic sea ice yearly VOLUME.
Downwellings in unusual clear Arctic waters, normally sea ice covered in decades past, have & even now still transport extra solar energy to continental shelf & Arctic Ocean & sea depths.
Yeah, despite the feeble denial efforts of 'steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling', a slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pig, to discount this thread, this thread is alive.
litesong

Everett, WA

#2155 Oct 8, 2012
litesong wrote:
the Arctic ice pack shows a strong resemblance to a semi-circle, strengthening the assumption that Arctic Ocean waters & seas have very strongly absorbed solar energies the last 3 months, due to the rotating Earth variably tilted towards the sun.
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litesong(Sept.22, 2012) wrote:
Arctic sea ice area has increased ~300,000 square kilometers of ice in the last 4-5 days. Temperatures above the 80 deg parallel have dropped ~ 5 degC, altho still above normal for the time of year. Arctic sea ices increase quickly. However, the heatwave on border of Alaska-Canada, with temperatures 68-72 degF, still keep the Northwest Passage clear.
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litesong wrote:
On Sept. 22,2012, tho air temperatures weren't as low as now, Arctic northern sea ices were readily increasing AND filling in the raggy taggy edges(& even internally trapped clear waters) of the Arctic ice pack. As the sea ices progressed southward, the ices met more & more unusually solar heated Arctic waters that had been solar heated for months & still were solar heating, because they normally have been universally iced in decades past.

As the raggy taggy sea ices tried to ice further south, they semi-circularly developed, showing that Arctic solar waters were progressively solar heated in the southerly direction!

http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/prin ...

It is very remarkable, even stunning, the edges of the raggy taggy Arctic sea ices conforming to the southerly directionally warmed Arctic waters! The Arctic sea ices act just like a progressive contour map of warming Arctic waters, showing a secondary effect of AGW predicted science & excess Earth-captured solar energy.
litesong

Everett, WA

#2156 Oct 8, 2012
litesong

Everett, WA

#2157 Oct 9, 2012
The Arctic sea ice minimum extent this year was almost 300,000 square miles(twice the area of California) smaller than previous minimum in Sept 2007, which itself was an incredible drop.
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litesong wrote:
A stunning performance(actually a non-performance) shows Arctic sea ice, after this year's minimum extent(& greatest square kilometer area of clear waters), NOT piling on, in great amounts of sea ice on the Arctic Ocean, surrounding seas & against landforms.
Called a secondary feedback in AGW, solar energy absorption by historically unrecorded amounts of clear Arctic waters is putting on an incredible show in a non-performing role, well worthy of an Academy Award. With a stoic unchanging face, almost all southern Arctic waters refuse to ice. Except for the sea ices north of Greenland & Canadian islands, the Arctic ice pack shows a strong resemblance to a semi-circle, strengthening the assumption that Arctic Ocean waters & seas have very strongly absorbed solar energies the last 3 months, due to the rotating Earth, variably tilted towards the sun.
Details below:
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litesong wrote:
Arctic sea ice extent is a bit greater than the lowest minimum of any other year recorded, either by satellite or submarine data, at 4,477,031 km2 (October 7, 2012). Only the small size area represented by Kentucky has become sea ice, despite the sun, unseen, from the North Pole for 2+ weeks, temperatures above the 80th parallel averaging minus 14 degC for the last three days, & temperatures on landforms surrounding the Arctic Ocean dropping as low as -12degC.

Much warmth built up in Arctic waters these past months is resisting its conversion back to sea ice, especially southern Arctic waters which have seen much more solar energy absorbed than northern Arctic clear waters.

This same Arctic Ocean warmth is & will continue to keep Arctic sea ice thinner through the coming winter & even spring. As of October 2, Arctic sea ice VOLUME is ~23% lower than any satellite recorded year AND indications of submarine-detected Arctic sea ice yearly VOLUME.
Yes, the Arctic sea ice VOLUME is disappearing, year to year, quicker than the Arctic sea ice minimum extent.
//////////
litesong continues:
Presently, Arctic sea ice extent is above the next lowest two years' minimum Arctic sea ice extent, at 4,574,688 km2 (October 8, 2012). However, present extent is dated almost a month later, than the date that the 3rd place year established its mark. Temperatures above the 80th parallel have slipped to (-15 degC), a bit less than normal, temperatures on landforms surrounding the Arctic Ocean most often freezing with temperatures as low as -17degC, but southern Arctic sea ice has increased by smaller than the size of Indiana.
Much of that sea ice increase is along the Greenland east coast, altho Arctic ice pack is closer to the Russian islands, Franz Joseph Land & Svalbard, again in the semi-circular pattern mentioned above. Almost all large region southerly Arctic waters, including the Northwest Passage, Northeast passage, & waters north of mentioned islands are nearly ice free. HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF SQUARE KILOMETERS(IF NOT MORE), of waters north of Alaska & Siberia are clear.

Arctic Ocean warmth is & will continue to keep Arctic sea ice thinner through the coming winter & even spring. As of October 2, Arctic sea ice VOLUME is ~23% lower than any satellite recorded year AND from indications of submarine-detected Arctic sea ice yearly VOLUME.

Downwellings in unusual clear Arctic waters, normally sea ice covered in decades past, for three months have & even now still transport extra solar energy to continental shelf & Arctic Ocean & sea depths.

Yeah, despite the feeble denial efforts of 'steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling', a slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pig, to discount this thread, this thread is alive.
litesong

Everett, WA

#2158 Oct 10, 2012
litesong wrote:

A stunning performance(a non-performance) showing Arctic sea ice NOT piling on, in great amounts of sea ice on the Arctic Ocean, surrounding seas & against landforms.
Called a secondary feedback in AGW, solar energy absorption by historically unrecorded amounts of clear Arctic waters is putting on an incredible show in a non-performing role, well worthy of an Academy Award. With a stoic unchanging face, almost all Arctic waters refuse to ice. Except for the sea ices north of Greenland & Canadian islands, the Arctic ice pack shows a strong resemblance to a semi-circle, strengthening the assumption that Arctic Ocean waters & seas have very strongly absorbed solar energies the last 3 months, due to the rotating Earth, variably tilted towards the sun.
Details below:
//////////
\\\\\\\\\\
litesong wrote:
Arctic sea ice extent is greater than the lowest minimum of two other years recorded, either by satellite or submarine data, at 4,574,688 km2 (October 8, 2012). With a size area represented by only Indiana becoming sea ice the past day, despite the sun, unseen, from the North Pole for well over 2 weeks, temperatures above the 80th parallel averaging minus 15 degC, & temperatures on landforms surrounding the Arctic Ocean dropping as low as -17degC, much warmth built up in Arctic waters these past months is resisting its conversion back to sea ice, especially southern Arctic waters which have seen much more solar energy absorbed than northern Arctic clear waters.

This same Arctic Ocean warmth is & will continue to keep Arctic sea ice thinner through the coming winter & even spring. As of October 2, Arctic sea ice VOLUME is ~23% lower than any satellite recorded year AND indications of submarine-detected Arctic sea ice yearly VOLUME.

Yes, the Arctic sea ice VOLUME is disappearing, year to year, quicker than the Arctic sea ice extent.
//////////
litesong continues:
Presently, Arctic sea ice extent is above the next lowest two years' minimum Arctic sea ice extent, at 4,662,344 km2 (October 9, 2012). However, present extent is dated almost a month later, than the date that the 3rd place year established its mark. Temperatures above the 80th parallel have slipped to (-15.5 degC), a bit less than normal. Temperatures on landforms surrounding the Arctic Ocean are most often freezing, some areas below minus double digits, & one temperature as low as -23degC. But southern Arctic sea ice area has increased by smaller than the size of Maine today, showing the undue excess warmth of the Arctic Ocean.

Much of that sea ice increase is along the Greenland east coast, altho Arctic ice pack is closer to the Russian islands, Franz Joseph Land & Svalbard, again in the semi-circular pattern mentioned above.

A detail noted is a raggy taggy developing edge along a part of the semi-circle, possibly NOT coincident with the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF SQUARE KILOMETERS, IF NOT MORE, of waters north of Alaska & Siberia that are VASTLY CLEAR. Might the raggy taggy edge indicate huge turbulence & currents in this largest(ever?) ice free, & resulting southerly directed heat stratified Arctic waters? I wonder if there might develop more raggy taggy edging, enough to form a swirl pattern? Such a vast swirl at such a huge scale would be impossible...... wouldn't it?

Almost all large region southerly Arctic waters, including the Northwest Passage, Northeast passage, & waters north of mentioned islands remain ice free. Bulging southward proceeding sea icing at the west end of the Northwest Passage should continue, & will close off the Northwest Passage. Internal icing is also occurring inside the Northwest Passage. Nearby double digit minus temperatures are opposing the months of solar warmth built up in the Passage, to ice the Passage.

Downwellings in unusual clear Arctic waters, normally sea ice covered in decades past, for three months have & even now still transport extra solar energy to continental shelf & Arctic Ocean & sea depths.

“Denying those who deny nature”

Since: Jun 07

Norfolk va

#2159 Oct 10, 2012
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Not correct.
You had just thrown out a sentence that you had heard somewhere when numbers and units were mentioned. Only an ignorant responds like you do. We know you well. You are ignorant.
Also, you are not inteligent to be parading in front of the world, revealing how you are. You are making US look BAD and ugly.
Give it up, sister.
The only people I am making look bad and ugly are those like yourself. The fact that you were not paying attention to the details and embarrassed yourself is strictly your fault and shows the one who was stupid was yourself.

Also, learn the difference between stupidity and ignorance. There is a difference.
PHD

Houston, TX

#2160 Oct 10, 2012
tina anne wrote:
<quoted text>
The only people I am making look bad and ugly are those like yourself. The fact that you were not paying attention to the details and embarrassed yourself is strictly your fault and shows the one who was stupid was yourself.
Also, learn the difference between stupidity and ignorance. There is a difference.
No No No when it comes to you there is no difference.Yes you are ignorant stupid.Well it could be stupid ignorant.
SpaceBlues

United States

#2161 Oct 10, 2012
Here' a new map showing the trend in sea levels over the last two decades. The oceans are rising with major regional differences as observed by various satellites.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment...

“Denying those who deny nature”

Since: Jun 07

Norfolk va

#2164 Oct 12, 2012
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
It's not the percentage that's important- it's how much that extra water would add to sea level.
A few metres is a tiny fraction of the depth of the ocean, but it's hugely significant to human beings who have to live on the land next to the oceans.
And that amount is a few millimeters. Or in other words if it all happened overnight the oceans would only rise as much as the average. By the way the percentage would start with a decimal point followed by plenty of zeros.

“Denying those who deny nature”

Since: Jun 07

Norfolk va

#2165 Oct 12, 2012
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
It's not the percentage that's important- it's how much that extra water would add to sea level.
A few metres is a tiny fraction of the depth of the ocean, but it's hugely significant to human beings who have to live on the land next to the oceans.
Yet the fact is that the change would be only a few millimeters, not meters. Otherwords you have the decimal point in the wrong place.

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#2166 Oct 12, 2012
tina anne wrote:
<quoted text>
Yet the fact is that the change would be only a few millimeters, not meters. Otherwords you have the decimal point in the wrong place.
Says an illiterate bumpkin.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#2167 Oct 12, 2012
FuGyou wrote:
Says an illiterate bumpkin.
What do you do all day, lurk in the wings, waiting for someone to put a foot wrong?

Topix is the place for you, Mr scientist.

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