Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 221473 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at Best of New Orleans.

Mark

United States

#82123 Mar 21, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Where is your evidence?
Great Unconformity. Have a piece on my shelf.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#82124 Mar 21, 2013
Mark wrote:
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It's a triple code and the receptor side must assemble the amino according to the chem instructions provided. One side is code, the other is a machine doing what the code says. Is that not a language? One must understand the other.
If you knew what you were talking about, you wouldn't use the words "language" or "machine" in describing the chemical reactions involved.
Mark

United States

#82125 Mar 21, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
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All fiction my friend, all fiction. We have proven this hundreds of years ago.
We can prove no Adam and Eve also.
We can prove no Exodus also
Well I don't want to get into all that, pretty big list! I did see your post about Christianity as a whole. I get that people claiming to be "Christian" have done awful things in some cases. Jesus taught, "do unto others as you would have them do to you" and "Love (be giving and kind) one another".

As I follow it, one is not a "Christian" if you don't follow and do as Christ did. He said "identify a tree by it's fruit". So to me that long list is not about "Christians".

As far as the disproving part, the schools and education system over here has worked on us for years about those issues and done a good job! I have seen no better model for peace and non-judgement than Christ. He taught this very directly. He never hurt a soul.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#82126 Mar 21, 2013
Mark wrote:
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Well I don't want to get into all that, pretty big list! I did see your post about Christianity as a whole. I get that people claiming to be "Christian" have done awful things in some cases. Jesus taught, "do unto others as you would have them do to you" and "Love (be giving and kind) one another".

As I follow it, one is not a "Christian" if you don't follow and do as Christ did. He said "identify a tree by it's fruit". So to me that long list is not about "Christians".

As far as the disproving part, the schools and education system over here has worked on us for years about those issues and done a good job! I have seen no better model for peace and non-judgement than Christ. He taught this very directly. He never hurt a soul.
I'm sorry....big list?? where was a big list..:-)

Christianity in the early days was responsible for a million or two deaths. The early church was purely evil and I just can't imagine wanting to give it more power today. Thankfully secular authority has taken over from it in Democratic countries. Now if we can just take over Islam and 'rub out those Mullah leaders'

Also your use of the homily "identify a tree by its fruit" is pertinent to Christianities rough start above.

By the way, the saying of Jesus..."do unto others as you would have them do to you" (Golden Rule) Is a minor variation of what Confucius wrote some 500 years before Jesus.

The Christian churches of today are fairly innocuous in the first world countries (most of Africa is another matter), but the fairly recent Republican takeover by the Christian right was pretty scary and I'm afraid they still have too much pull. Read up on Dominionism sometime.

Yes the schools here and many other places are very good, however the religious Christians of the world need to understand what is going on in the sciences. Many so-called truths of the Bible ARE being obliquely disproven.

By that I mean that the Bible is not being attacked head-on, but by science that disproves things around the Biblical story that end up being circumstantial evidence that the book is NOT truthful.

The simple finding by archaeology, paleoanthropology, and most recently DNA that proved humans were walking the earth 200,000 years ago disproves the Adam and Eve story as written in the Bible.

The science is solid. The church has never disproven an assertion about the natural world by science.

What is Christianity going to do about the continued assault of science upon church dogma and myth?? It's not going to stop unless the churches somehow seize the kind of power they had in the Dark Ages.

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#82127 Mar 22, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
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I'm sorry....big list?? where was a big list..:-)
Christianity in the early days was responsible for a million or two deaths. The early church was purely evil and I just can't imagine wanting to give it more power today. Thankfully secular authority has taken over from it in Democratic countries. Now if we can just take over Islam and 'rub out those Mullah leaders'
Also your use of the homily "identify a tree by its fruit" is pertinent to Christianities rough start above.
By the way, the saying of Jesus..."do unto others as you would have them do to you" (Golden Rule) Is a minor variation of what Confucius wrote some 500 years before Jesus.
The Christian churches of today are fairly innocuous in the first world countries (most of Africa is another matter), but the fairly recent Republican takeover by the Christian right was pretty scary and I'm afraid they still have too much pull. Read up on Dominionism sometime.
Yes the schools here and many other places are very good, however the religious Christians of the world need to understand what is going on in the sciences. Many so-called truths of the Bible ARE being obliquely disproven.
By that I mean that the Bible is not being attacked head-on, but by science that disproves things around the Biblical story that end up being circumstantial evidence that the book is NOT truthful.
The simple finding by archaeology, paleoanthropology, and most recently DNA that proved humans were walking the earth 200,000 years ago disproves the Adam and Eve story as written in the Bible.
The science is solid. The church has never disproven an assertion about the natural world by science.
What is Christianity going to do about the continued assault of science upon church dogma and myth?? It's not going to stop unless the churches somehow seize the kind of power they had in the Dark Ages.
Get over this/ that, Bobby.
More of this has/ had been said by many before you, but to date, the work of God, the church and the bible continue to spread daily. Why?

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#82128 Mar 22, 2013
Like i will always say, assertions, libels or slanders against God, his word( the bible) and his church, will never change the original plan of God.
Let the criticisms keeps coming while the work of God and his glory, keeps increasing.
Halleluyah!!!

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#82129 Mar 22, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Get over this/ that, Bobby.
More of this has/ had been said by many before you, but to date, the work of God, the church and the bible continue to spread daily. Why?
Because people are gullible due to them wanting to be part of something. An inherent flaw in our social traits.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#82130 Mar 22, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
Like i will always say, assertions, libels or slanders against God, his word( the bible) and his church, will never change the original plan of God.
Let the criticisms keeps coming while the work of God and his glory, keeps increasing.
Halleluyah!!!
Then why have humans completely screwed up his "plan?"

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#82131 Mar 22, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Because people are gullible due to them wanting to be part of something. An inherent flaw in our social traits.
Just get over that.
When talking about people, you are also directly or indirectly talking to your self, because you are also human( people or a person).

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#82132 Mar 22, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Then why have humans completely screwed up his "plan?"
Screwed up what?
Man will actually say he has screwed up the plans of God, but God is bigger than all of them. How? Death!
Man( human) dies but God does not.
FREE SERVANT
#82133 Mar 22, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
Like i will always say, assertions, libels or slanders against God, his word( the bible) and his church, will never change the original plan of God.
Let the criticisms keeps coming while the work of God and his glory, keeps increasing.
Halleluyah!!!
Yes, and the fields are ripe but the workers are few, but thanks be to God we have good strong people like yourself. Nice to see you back. God bless you for your work here.

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#82134 Mar 22, 2013
Man has science and a higher level of intelligence. But that science and intelligence has limitations. That limitations is/ are nothing but DEATH!
Man must die, but God can never die.
anonymous

Barberton, OH

#82135 Mar 22, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
Man has science and a higher level of intelligence. But that science and intelligence has limitations. That limitations is/ are nothing but DEATH!
Man must die, but God can never die.
Every time you post, this thread dies a little bit more. If we let it die, will you die along with it?

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#82136 Mar 22, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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Noah did build an Ark and then the world was flooded and everything was more or less killed.
Have you ever considered working out how much water was needed to cover the earth to a depth suggested in the babble

Here let me help,

Genesis 7:(KJV)
19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.

That would take about 4,500,000,000 cubic kilometres, that’s about 270 times more water than is on earth

To cover the earth as claimed it can only be rationalised that water fell at a rate of over 9 metres per hour for 40 days and 40 nights. That’s approximately 95 times higher than the highest ever recorded rainfall and it is claimed that it lasted 80 times longer than that recorded rainfall.

So that’s the rain kiboshed

Then of course we have the complete impossibility even using today’s modern technology of building a wooden vessel the size stated.

Then of course we have the impossibility of collecting animals from other (unknown) continents, say Australian and American being collected and herded into the ark

Then of course we have the impossibility of feeding over 16 million animals for a period of over a year, storage of that food and the resultant mucking out.

Then of course we still have fresh water creatures and salt water creatures, had the earth been deluded to such an extent the salt water from the sea would have polluted the fresh water and vice versa. Hence the fresh water creatures would be no longer. The same would have been repeated for the salt-water creatures. The simple fact that you eat fish proves the whole story to be a fabrication.

Then of course we have the geological evidence that shows that no event as described in the babble actually happened.

Then of course we have the DNA evidence that shows there was no such mass extinction event at the time described in the babble

This is obviously a story that you have simply taken someone’s word for and not bothered considering that actual logistics.

A story based on faith, not fact, so you cannot make the claim that Noah did anything, you can only claim that “it is my belief that Noah did whatever”

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#82137 Mar 22, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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"In other words, at no time since when there has been land based animal life has the whole Earth been underwater"
We have human eye witnesses that claim other wise. You have ...... Oh ya a few more billion years.
Say what?

You have witnesses to say the whole earth was flooded?

This I have to see, please supply some sort of reference to these witnesses.
FREE SERVANT
#82138 Mar 22, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Have you ever considered working out how much water was needed to cover the earth to a depth suggested in the babble
Here let me help,
Genesis 7:(KJV)
19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
That would take about 4,500,000,000 cubic kilometres, that&#8217;s about 270 times more water than is on earth
To cover the earth as claimed it can only be rationalised that water fell at a rate of over 9 metres per hour for 40 days and 40 nights. That&#8217;s approximately 95 times higher than the highest ever recorded rainfall and it is claimed that it lasted 80 times longer than that recorded rainfall.
So that&#8217;s the rain kiboshed
Then of course we have the complete impossibility even using today&#8217;s modern technology of building a wooden vessel the size stated.
Then of course we have the impossibility of collecting animals from other (unknown) continents, say Australian and American being collected and herded into the ark
Then of course we have the impossibility of feeding over 16 million animals for a period of over a year, storage of that food and the resultant mucking out.
Then of course we still have fresh water creatures and salt water creatures, had the earth been deluded to such an extent the salt water from the sea would have polluted the fresh water and vice versa. Hence the fresh water creatures would be no longer. The same would have been repeated for the salt-water creatures. The simple fact that you eat fish proves the whole story to be a fabrication.
Then of course we have the geological evidence that shows that no event as described in the babble actually happened.
Then of course we have the DNA evidence that shows there was no such mass extinction event at the time described in the babble
This is obviously a story that you have simply taken someone&#8217;s word for and not bothered considering that actual logistics.
A story based on faith, not fact, so you cannot make the claim that Noah did anything, you can only claim that &#8220;it is my belief that Noah did whatever&#8221;
Have you ever considered the water was beneath the crust in the first place and it came when the fountains of the deep were broken?

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#82139 Mar 22, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, and the fields are ripe but the workers are few, but thanks be to God we have good strong people like yourself. Nice to see you back. God bless you for your work here.
Thanks and may the almighty continue to bless and reward you for your good works, amen.

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#82140 Mar 22, 2013
anonymous wrote:
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Every time you post, this thread dies a little bit more. If we let it die, will you die along with it?
Likewise. That statement is also applicable to you.
All mortals, whether intelligent or not, must die. Yes or no?
FREE SERVANT
#82141 Mar 22, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Thanks and may the almighty continue to bless and reward you for your good works, amen.
Thank you my brother. Those who hunger and thirst for the true and right things in this life and the one to come, will find what they are looking for in our lord.

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#82142 Mar 22, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>Have you ever considered the water was beneath the crust in the first place and it came when the fountains of the deep were broken?
Um, no.

And it still would have cooked Noah and company. From either above or below that much water would have cooked every living being on the face of the Earth, including those on the Ark.

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