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Since: Jul 07

Burnt Hills

#21 Jul 30, 2007
RAWK CP NY wrote:
I watched this documentary today (on again now)
STARZ
http://www.walmartmovie.com/
http://www.walmartmovie.com/facts.php
I heard things hear n there, but after watching this, I understand better (saw signs and work with residents, and also a neighbor to BS-hope this qualifies) why small towns like Ballston Spa dont want one there. Besides they can go to Saratoga or Clifton Park (Which is losing more and more land to businesses or buildings being built without tenants (some of those are still sitting there empty with a lease sign), while I went by last night and saw several more buildings being put up around Rt9 & 146. It would be 30 min or less to each of these locations.
TO BRAD-AOL (QUOTE)***above links will explain this****
"Wal-Mart could save Ballston-Spa's dieing economy, with jobs, TAXES (which may eleviate some tax burden on the city's residents), and cheap reliable goods. To add further, the land that was sold to Wal-mart was zoned for commercial use; therefore, unless the town is going to claim iminant domain and build something good to the public there; Sorry all but our Wal-Mart will be there soon enough."
I also read above re: a Walmart Employee, who made a good salary & had good benefits at 20hrs. From what I read, watched, and heard from a good friend who worked there for years "FULL-TIME"(who has health problems and needs many medications-but still couldnt afford it with her Walmart Health Insurance)...that above statement is rare...On the above sites, it states the average employee makes approx.$13,000 yrly, with lousy benefits....Watch it on Starz or read the above links....
Thanks for the info. Just to let you know this land was not sold to Walmart per say. They were in the process of buying the property but included in the sale were contingencies that they would receive a zoning ordinance along with traffic right of ways and other issues that must be approved by the town. As the town didn't agree the sale of the prorety was never finalised and became null and void after a certian time frame. With the Malta tech park due to be built I'm sure the Rossi's will find another buyer for this property sometime soon down the road. They'll also probably make alot more than what Walmart was offering. And due to the new building codes and laws that were passed it'll be a business that will be an asset to the town instead of a nightmare. There's no way that the roads through town could have accommodated all that traffic that walmart would bring. You can't widen that road unless you take out the town which is exactly what Walmart would have wanted. No competition! After all the are in the business of putting people out of business.
Mary-Anne

Delmar, NY

#22 Aug 6, 2007
O.K., so you want to keep the quant little village of Ballston nicely filled with Mom and Pop stores and you don't want the big monster stores like Walmart within the town limits--- I think it's all ridiculous. I live in Ballston Spa and have lived there for 21 years, and I think that a Walmart would be great. These Mom and Pop stores are VERY OVERATED! And look at the choices you have-- Either you buy cheap "junk" at Fishers (where they havent purchased anything past 1994) or overpriced "Gift-tique" items at Hearth and Home where the prices are just crazy! Plus at least if you buy from Walmart and you have to make a return, there is'nt a problem in doing so... try to return to the "shops" and it's like pulling teeth! The closest grocery store is Hanaford and when you shop there compared to a place like Walmart, you spend on average at least $20 more for the same things.. But hey, whatever.

“Spay and neuter your pet”

Since: Jul 07

Burnt Hills

#23 Aug 6, 2007
Mary-Anne wrote:
O.K., so you want to keep the quant little village of Ballston nicely filled with Mom and Pop stores and you don't want the big monster stores like Walmart within the town limits--- I think it's all ridiculous. I live in Ballston Spa and have lived there for 21 years, and I think that a Walmart would be great. These Mom and Pop stores are VERY OVERATED! And look at the choices you have-- Either you buy cheap "junk" at Fishers (where they havent purchased anything past 1994) or overpriced "Gift-tique" items at Hearth and Home where the prices are just crazy! Plus at least if you buy from Walmart and you have to make a return, there is'nt a problem in doing so... try to return to the "shops" and it's like pulling teeth! The closest grocery store is Hanaford and when you shop there compared to a place like Walmart, you spend on average at least $20 more for the same things.. But hey, whatever.
Question - With all the traffic that Walmart produces you need good roads and more than 2 lanes to accommadate all the cars, so therefore how do you propose widing the road through the village and on route 50? If you have been to other Walmarts you'll notice most of them are built where there is 4 lanes. I didn't realise that Walmart is the only business that is important. Just remember one thing, Walmart is in the business of putting other businesses out of business. Ballston Spa will become a ghost town. Think real hard of all those stores in B.S. that would close up shop. Hearth and homes (I like that store), Fishers (yes, it does have some good items but junk is what Americans want otherwise Fishers would have closed shop a long time ago),Pharmacies, Salons, Gas stations that carry milk, Stewarts, photo shops etc. I ask you look at Odd Lot and the business they have and 99% of that stuff is junk too. What does that tell you? Americans want cheap not quality. Just remember Walmart would love to be the only business in business. They don't care about the town they are in, or their employees, or their customers. Their one and only concern is their stockholders. Think about that and just remember what is was like before Walmart exsisted. Allow Walmarts to come in and the rest will follow as you well know. Where they wanted to build the Home Depot and Target, well it would have jutted up against a neighborhood. Can you imagine having an asphalt parking lot jut up against your back yard and when you want to sleep at night all those lights shinning in your bedroom window. And knowing that you could never sell your property cause no one in there right mind would live there. You need to think outside the box. What would the ramifications be if Ballston Spa let in Walmart? That is what a majority of the towns people did and they didn't like what they saw. If you want a Walmart so close to where you live may I suggest building a house behind Walmart in Saratoga.
Dave from Ballston

United States

#24 Oct 4, 2007
I was one of the original 8 members of Concerned Citizens for Smart Growth. I have lived in Ballston for 15 years and the Wal-Mart would have been a stones throw from my home. More importantly this wasn't about Wal-Mart - it was about a group of Big Box stores that didn't fit in our community. Economic development can be created without Stores 5 times the size of a football field. Affordable rent & affordable taxes for businesses and smart growth can create sustainable economic development. The project is dead... Thanks to our community and pressure on our town officials.

“Spay and neuter your pet”

Since: Jul 07

Burnt Hills

#25 Oct 4, 2007
Dave from Ballston wrote:
I was one of the original 8 members of Concerned Citizens for Smart Growth. I have lived in Ballston for 15 years and the Wal-Mart would have been a stones throw from my home. More importantly this wasn't about Wal-Mart - it was about a group of Big Box stores that didn't fit in our community. Economic development can be created without Stores 5 times the size of a football field. Affordable rent & affordable taxes for businesses and smart growth can create sustainable economic development. The project is dead... Thanks to our community and pressure on our town officials.
Dave - Thank you for all your efforts in making sure that no big box store built in the town of Ballston. Before this all happened this town and it's people were all very happy and content here (except for lack of a grocery store). But I think the issue of the big box stores has really taken it's toll on the people of this town. Where as we were one big happy family (for lack of a better word) it seems this issue has divided the town, and never to be the same again. I find it kind of sad to still find animosity about this conflict. I am one of the people who was against it right from the start and I'm so glad that we still have our quaint and quiet town still intact. It's unfortunate that the pro Walmart people couldn't see what the future would have been if all those store set down roots here. In five years there wouldn't have been a nice town but a big commercial center like exit 9 and 15. Route 50 and Rte 67 would have eventually become four lane highways,and people would lose their homes by eminent domain if they didn't sell, land would have increased and so would the taxes and so on and so on. So again thank you for helping to save our town.
Mary

United States

#26 Oct 17, 2007
I don't need a documentary to tell me of Wal-Mart, as I said I have worked their many years. I don't need a friend to tell me about their benefits. I have had them, they where as good as many that are offered today and affordable. The past year or two have been interesting as some employee's have had their spouses insurace costs go so high, that they have decided that Wal-Mart offers a better deal.Not to many retailers offer health care coverage to their employee's. Many don't realize that 34 hrs a week is full time at Wal-Mart. I was under the old 28 hrs. was considered Full Time.. that changed a couple of years ago, but those of us that where under it where grandfathered in. Then when health insurance was offered to part-timers I dropped my hours down.
Wal-mart would be good for Ballston Spa in many ways. Perhaps one day a place will be found to build one. In the mean time you can all hop in your little cars and drive to someone elses backyard and shop there. They will love that you build up the city budget.

“Spay and neuter your pet”

Since: Jul 07

Burnt Hills

#27 Oct 17, 2007
Mary - Are you familiar with Ballston Spa?
Mary

United States

#28 Oct 17, 2007
Norskejente wrote:
Mary - Are you familiar with Ballston Spa?
I grew up in Ballston spa as did my parents grandparent and great grandparents...

Get back to New York when ever I can,,

I am amazed that everything we do is outside of Ballston Spa,,?? I visit with friends and family in town, but if we go out to eat or shop,, it is not in Ballston.

And I find that sad..
Dave from Ballston

Bolton Landing, NY

#29 Nov 4, 2007
Mary,

When you move back to Ballston, or maybe somewhere in the Northeast I'll take your comments more seriously. Again... This issue at it's roots wasn't about Wal-Mart. It was about almost 500,000 sq ft of retail right by the village of Ballston Spa and on a 2 lane road that had no way of handling the traffic and no way to develop the infrastructure needed to support the projects. It was also about the rights of property owners, both developers and those who chose to live in Ballston Spa for it's small town feel. Why should we need to live next to a Wal-Mart, and endanger our children who go to school 200 - 300 yards from these developments. Economic development is achievable through the right businesses. The Developers were looking for the quick buck and didn't care about the people it affected.

By the way... The Village Shops in Ballston Spa are in the town of Milton. So if this was developed we would have damaged our lifestyles and affected the Village and our neighboring town's economic base. I am a resident and Business owner in the town of Ballston.

“Spay and neuter your pet”

Since: Jul 07

Burnt Hills

#30 Nov 4, 2007
Mary - I don't know when you were last back in B. Spa but little by little we have more and more quaint shops opening up here. The town used to have many shops until malls became the place to go and little stores suffered because of it. The town didn't get this way in a day and won't get fixed in a day either. I'm sure you are familiar with Janet V corners, so I'd like to ask you to envision a Walmart and trailer park (cause that was also the owners intention)on one side and a Home Depot and Target on the otherside a few feet down the road. Can you just imagine what that would be like? You can't invite one big box store and not the others. That would have left the town open to a major lawsuit and they would have lost. There are many other nice businesses that I'm sure they could sell there land to. With tech valley coming to Malta I'm sure down the road they can make their millions. But it won't be at the expense of the people in the town of Ballston. Remember this is every landowners slice of heaven and it's not fair to have one or two landowners impose on our quality of life for their gain.
Mary

United States

#31 Nov 5, 2007
My comments is as good as anyone who has spent 15 years in Ballston Spa.
What that town has to offer now is nothing I would be interested in..
I come back and visit and enjoy my family, but the town I loved and grew up in,, is no longer there.
So good luck...hope someone can come up with at least one grocery store for the hometown folks..

“Spay and neuter your pet”

Since: Jul 07

Burnt Hills

#32 Nov 6, 2007
Mary - For your info there is a grocery store on Geyser road, one on rte 9 in Malta and one on rte 50 in Glenville. Only a 8 to 15 minute ride from where I live. Any closer it'll be in my backyard - No thank you very much. The one on geyser rd is only 3 to 4 minutes fron the old Grand Union. We have some very nice resturants here also. I don't know what you a looking for in a town but times do change. Move from where you live now and go back in 10 yrs and you will see a change. Nothing ever stays the same. I can't understand why anyone would like to live at exit 15 right in the middle of all the big box stores.As a matter of fact I don't recall seeing any houses there. Gee I wonder why. Just out of curiosity would you like the lights of a walmart or home depot shining in your bedroom windows at night? And what would you say to all the people who have businesses here that they might as well close up shop cause you want a walmart who will mark down prices lower than they can purchase the items. How far away do you live from a walmart and would you move next door to one?
joyce tucson

Tucson, AZ

#33 Nov 7, 2007
Margie wrote:
Sorry folks! Still don't believe they should put a walmart in our town. And if you were hear to see all the people who showed up at the first town meeting to object to this idea, you'd know that the majority of the towns people were against it. The Rossi's don't own this town. The just happen to own a piece of it like the rest of us. There are alot of private homes surrounding this parcel of land. This private land owners would have been subject to Walmarts parking lot lights into their homes all night. We all know how bright those lights are. We are not talking about one or two homes . Were talking at least 2 doz or more. The value of their homes would have depreciated drastically overnight. These homes are their nest eggs and to lose it would have been devestating. One women cried because she knew she could lose her quality of life. Imagine walmart parking lot in your backyard. Asphalt running up to her property line. Is is so necessary to have a walmart in every town? If so all the other big box stores would have followed suit. Target, and Home Depot were right behind them. Why can't everybody coordinate their errands.
i was at the first meeting, infact, i was at every single meeting for 2 years. Another fact, the majority of people that were against walmart didn't even live in the town of ballston. first of all, the rossi's paid commercial taxes on their property for years because it was commercial property. if people live near commercial property they are at risk for having commercial near them. the rossi's property was zoned for commercial, and it was illegal for the town board to back date a moratorium to stop a project in the works just because a handful of people threatened to vote them out of office. many families paid very hi commercial taxes for years and when they got ready to retire and got contracts on their property for what it was legally zoned for, they had the carpet pulled out from under them. less than 18 monthes before the moratorium, there was a master plan update with public hearings and that was the time to change the rules - not after the fact. and just who the hell gives others the right to decide what goes on some one else's private property anyways?so lets put this in perspective, should we feel sorry for the people that didn't pay any attention to the towns zoning 18 monthes earlier that are crying for their quality of life but did nothing when they had the chance that live in or near a commercial zone - or should we consider the people that did everything legal, participated in public meetings and zoning, paid their extremely high taxes believing they were investing in their retirement because they couldn't afford to be self employed and own business property and have money to pay into a retirement fund?
Matt

Schenectady, NY

#34 Apr 8, 2008
Wal-Mart eats babies. Do we want a corporation that eats babies in Ballston Spa? I don't. It's too bad the only thing people care about is buying all their crap in one store for as little as possible. Everyone owns too much crap. This means you. Me too, I'm guilty too...but I don't shop at Wal-Mart. Baby-eaters.
George

Saratoga Springs, NY

#35 May 15, 2014
Mary wrote:
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Did Wal-Mart "kill" all the other Hannah stores that used to line Milton avenue??
No they went loke bra flees Woolworth k mart eat soon walmart Hannah's lSted 100 yrs not bad
donna

Amsterdam, NY

#36 May 20, 2014
Mary wrote:
I too am one with many ties to the area.. born and raised as they say.. generations of my family..
I love Ballston Spa and have many nieces and nephews that would benefit from a job at Wal-Mart.
When I was growing up there,,it was a thriving littIle town with everything you needed within walking distance,,, didn't have to drive(with gas at three dollars +,,,
I am surprised that Wal-Mart is the big bad wolf,, Ballston has changed and when I come into the town and see that huge gas station right on Milton Avenue,,, I am surprised,,, then see that long line of unending traffic that will drive right through Ballston Spa..perhaps stopping for gas at that station..
Ballston Spa has changed and a Wal-Mart would have benefited many more people than what they have now.
I completely agree and I live in Ballston Spa now..

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