BREAKING NEWS: Driver of cement truck...

BREAKING NEWS: Driver of cement truck involved in fatal accident had clean record

There are 62 comments on the Santa Cruz Sentinel story from Apr 9, 2008, titled BREAKING NEWS: Driver of cement truck involved in fatal accident had clean record. In it, Santa Cruz Sentinel reports that:

The driver who killed a cyclist on Mission Street Tuesday had a spotless record and did not know he was involved in an accident until police stopped him miles later, according to new details released today.

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mytime

Santa Cruz, CA

#1 Apr 9, 2008
This is just so sad....
Zed is Dead

Santa Rosa, CA

#2 Apr 9, 2008
Very Sad indeed....I just recently met the man who was killed, he seemed a nice genuine man too bad this had to happen....RIP Chris
Nevin Leder

Rincon, Puerto Rico

#3 Apr 9, 2008
According to the report in the Sentinel on Tuesday, the truck and the bike were traveling in the same direction. Thus, the truck must have been passing the cyclist when the accident occurred. How then was the trucker unaware of the cyclist? If the cyclist was anywhere in the lane, the trucker should have seen him and should have realized the danger. At the least, then, the trucker should have been looking in his rear view mirror as he passed to make sure the cyclist was OK, yet we now read that he was completely unaware of the accident until he was pulled over, miles from the scene.

Something's wrong here.
sockmonkey

United States

#5 Apr 9, 2008
...I was downtown last week and I noticed two men conversing in sign language...I watched them for a few minutes...one noticed that my parking meter had jammed and tried to fix it...we both laughed because he couldn't fix it which was a good thing because it was stuck with time on the meter...both men got on their bikes after their conversation...man, I wonder if one was Christopher....
sorry

Fremont, CA

#6 Apr 9, 2008
hahahaaha...they bleeped my word d-a-m with **** oh, im from sc.
Nevin Leder

Rincon, Puerto Rico

#7 Apr 9, 2008
According to the story in the Sentinel on Tuesday, the cyclist and the truck were traveling in the same direction. Thus, the truck must have been passing the bike when the accident occurred. How then was the trucker unaware of the cyclist? If the bike was in the lane before he passed, why wasn't he looking for the cyclist in his rear view mirror?

Something's wrong here.
gab

Vineburg, CA

#8 Apr 9, 2008
Nevin Leder wrote:
According to the story in the Sentinel on Tuesday, the cyclist and the truck were traveling in the same direction. Thus, the truck must have been passing the bike when the accident occurred. How then was the trucker unaware of the cyclist? If the bike was in the lane before he passed, why wasn't he looking for the cyclist in his rear view mirror?
Something's wrong here.
You are correct. The driver of the Big Rig knew he was passing the bicyclist and therefore was aware he needed to keep his eye on the situation to be sure he had cleared the bicyclist whom he was sharing a very small lane with. Regardless of the small lanes on Mission street he knew his lane was tight.
The driver should have held back until he had gotten to McDonalds area where there is a little more room to pass. I am a retired Commercial Driver and know what I am talking about. At Bay and Mission the roadway takes a curve to the right just as you crossover the intersection and the right hand lane gets very tight especially for a set of doubles. He also may have been stopped at the light with the bicylist which would mean he had hit 3rd gear about that point in travel. Which tells me he knew he ran over something cause at that speed you have to feel something even from the back trailer wheels. It is another bad day in paridise. My heart is touched by this.
come on

Richmond, CA

#9 Apr 9, 2008
How come no one ever questions the deceased? Couldnt the cyclist have been passing the truck? Other cars do it all the time try to go around large trucks with trailers and dont realize they come around wide and then thats it.
I feel sorry for all involved. The truck driver needs to realize that this isnt his fault and I hope the family of the decedant becomes involved in some sort of outreach to teach people that helmets are a necessary peice of protective equipment.
RIP
sockmonkey

United States

#10 Apr 9, 2008
...the cyclist that was killed 8 months ago on Mission/Bay Sts. WAS wearing a helmet. I wear mine all the time but if you seriously think it's going to save your life if you are run over by a giant truck you are living in a dream world. It's just one more way to blame the cyclist for his own death....and that just plain sucks.
Hit last year

Santa Cruz, CA

#12 Apr 9, 2008
Our sympathy goes out to the family of the deceased and the trucker. My opinion and many others I've spoken with is that the current roads are made for motor vehicles (not bikes) and that helmets are absolutely necessary for those that decide to chance it alongside the cars and trucks. I'm sticking to bike paths, buses and walking from now on. There is no way to deem bicycling down the middle of the lane, along the side or on the sidewalk of Mission Street (or any busy street) safe. I won't be coming back to discuss these points, because this issue is hitting just too close to home...
Prince Donkey

United States

#13 Apr 9, 2008
Hello all cyclists: DO NOT RIDE ON MISSION STREET!
Deleware, California, and King all get the same job done without the Dangers of Mission. If you must ride on Mission, use the the sidewalk (I bet you a bill the SCPD will not cite you) and or side-streets. If there is no bike lane, DO NOT PASS ON THE RIGHT! That is what killed the guy last summer. Further, avoid all of the speculation to support your arguments everybody since it is meaningless without facts. Sad people had to die, but people take heed and learn some lessons.

Since: Mar 08

Santa Cruz, CA

#14 Apr 9, 2008
Well, good to see those who were on the memorial ride were observing the laws...oh wait. I think most people agree, riding on Mission is a dumb idea under pretty much any circumstances. If you're going to have a memorial ride, that's cool, but use the right hand lane. When the group departed from the clock tower, those who were urging everyone to stay in the right lane at least understood the point they were trying to make.

The being said, everyone who ran through red lights at Walnut, Laurel, and Bay should have been cited for it (I know it isn't feasible, but you all deserve it). Look, you aren't going to get motorists to support your cause if you are going to blatantly disregard the laws that everyone else on the road has to follow. I applaud the few people I saw who raised their hands signaling others to stop at the red lights (mostly older riders), but the younger people who only viewed it as an excuse to be annoying paid them no regard. You want people to share the lane with you, then you get to follow the rules too. And you don't get to run red lights just because you're on a "memorial ride". Also, to the idiots who decided to just hang out in the middle of intersections, or stop far enough over in the left hand lane to block traffic and sit there to watch everyone ride by, you weren't helping your cause. And the person in the following vehicle (white wagon) with the same yellow sign in the window as the bicyclists had definitely deserves a citation for his poor driving. He decided it was cool along with the cyclists to run the red light at Laurel with cross traffic waiting.

As for the indian girl in the orange skirt who thought it was funny to completely block traffic by herself in the left hand lane, then giggle at other riders about it, you were a disgrace to those who wanted to show respect to someone who died and bring more attention to the problem of riding on Mission.
Greg

Los Angeles, CA

#15 Apr 9, 2008
Actually memorial rides (funeral procesions) DO get to run red lights
SCBIKER

Watsonville, CA

#16 Apr 9, 2008
Did anyone notice the 9 or 10 SCPD motorcycle officers just sitting on their bikes watching they ride go by?
I am glad they were there but it would have been nice to see them escort the pack to help insure the safety of the cyclists but then again that might have made them drop their donuts
Kumbaya Kretin

San Jose, CA

#17 Apr 9, 2008
How clean a record do these cement hauling truck companies have?
Pragmatist

Santa Cruz, CA

#18 Apr 9, 2008
The way the riders conducted themselves in the "procession" was an embarrassment to legitimate bicyclist who actually want their issue to be heard with some degree of credibility. Your actions showed bicyclist to be self centered people with a limited paradigm of "safety" and nothing more than an unearned entitlement mentality. Way to go....you damaged the cause for all of us. Do us a favor next time and stay home!!!!

Since: Mar 08

Santa Cruz, CA

#21 Apr 9, 2008
Greg wrote:
Actually memorial rides (funeral procesions) DO get to run red lights
A funeral procession also requires a permit, vehicles have to be marked indicating they are participating in the procession, and even still California Vehicle Code provides no exemption from traffic regulations unless they are being directed by a police officer. Municipalities can create their own laws allowing other people to be allowed to direct traffic per vehicle code section 21100(e), but again, permit/training/permission required (varies by local laws)
keenplanner

Palo Alto, CA

#22 Apr 9, 2008
Mission is an urban street that is being used as an arterial. Traffic on Mission needs to slow down so that it is safe for all road users, and friendly to residents, business, and pedestrians. "Complete Streets" accommodate all users. If a truck or car driver passes another vehicle, including a cyclist, it's his or her legal responsibility to make sure he can do it safely. The driver in this case is to blame.
SC and Caltrans need to calm traffic on Mission before anyone else gets killed.
Fior

Santa Cruz, CA

#24 Apr 9, 2008
King St. has been around just as long as Mission St., doesn't have a fraction of the cars that Mission St. has, is a wider road, and for whatever reason, isn't used frequently by cyclists. So how would making King St. a "bikeway" now change anything?
corndog831

Fremont, CA

#25 Apr 9, 2008
been riding for many years in santa cruz.
never been hit once.you know why?
because i keep my butt out of the middle road.
know matter what, car or truck vs bike
bike is going to lose and what good are your
rights when your dead.
think about it protect your self
pay attention and dont get hit

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