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Doctor Accused Of Giving Prisoners Poor Care

There are 29 comments on the NBC San Diego story from Jul 28, 2008, titled Doctor Accused Of Giving Prisoners Poor Care. In it, NBC San Diego reports that:

The state medical board has filed an accusation against a Mira Mesa doctor, saying he failed to provide prisoners with adequate medical care.

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sdn8v

San Diego, CA

#1 Jul 28, 2008
Call me cold and callous (probably among other names), but I really don't think convicted felons should be entitled to healthcare. I don't understand spending all this money on providing healthcare to people who are serving hard time for crimes committed when there are hard working people who are uninsured. It seems like prisoners get better care and attention than hard-working, tax paying, law-abiding citizens.
paul felenczak

Maywood, CA

#2 Jul 28, 2008
sdn8v wrote:
Call me cold and callous (probably among other names), but I really don't think convicted felons should be entitled to healthcare. I don't understand spending all this money on providing healthcare to people who are serving hard time for crimes committed when there are hard working people who are uninsured. It seems like prisoners get better care and attention than hard-working, tax paying, law-abiding citizens.
You're probably right but what can you expect from a prison system that provides an alcohol swab to a lethal injection site.
sherie

Ramona, CA

#3 Jul 28, 2008
sdn8tv...you are not cold and callous, guilty prisoners are, that's why they are in prison, and it is true, a lot of the working poor do not have insurance coverage. 1. they can't afford it 2.They don't receive Health Benefits through their job...prisoners are taken care of by taxpayers money, while hardworking people are barely getting by, some cannot afford to get medical care....even cable tv, some people cannot afford it, but the prisons provide it...some people can barely buy enough food to feed their families, but in Prison, they get 3 meals a day, I actually know someone, whose Son commited another crime so he could go back to prison, said it was better than trying to make a living out here...he likes it there...something wrong somewhere.
harley charlie

San Diego, CA

#4 Jul 28, 2008
sherie wrote:
sdn8tv...you are not cold and callous, guilty prisoners are, that's why they are in prison, and it is true, a lot of the working poor do not have insurance coverage. 1. they can't afford it 2.They don't receive Health Benefits through their job...prisoners are taken care of by taxpayers money, while hardworking people are barely getting by, some cannot afford to get medical care....even cable tv, some people cannot afford it, but the prisons provide it...some people can barely buy enough food to feed their families, but in Prison, they get 3 meals a day, I actually know someone, whose Son commited another crime so he could go back to prison, said it was better than trying to make a living out here...he likes it there...something wrong somewhere.
let me clear up a whole lot of myths here,the health care in prison is near non-existan, takes two to three weeks to see a doctor on any aliment, longer for a dentist, no cavity repair, only pulling of teeth, but by the time, you see the dentist, it is all abcessed, and infected and can't be pulled untill the infection is controlled. no pain meds, just tylanol. there is no cable tv anywhere in califorina prison system. it is a cable antennea that picks up local stations only, you dont get a tv in your cell unless someone buys one for you, or you can afford to buy one, and if you are lucky enough to have a pay job, pay is somewhere between .11 and .16 cents an hour, so tv's aren't all that prevelent, now about those three meals a day, yes you get three, good luck getting them down, the food is the worst anywhere, a meal costs the state for each prisoner $1.22 per meal lets see you eat on that and even fill you up. most inmates but raman soups and make things from those because the food is so bad, most of the inmates that you hear "commit crime to go back in" are instituanalized to the point that society is overwhelming to them because nobody is telling them when to eat when to dress when to work, ect, the biggest problem in prison is that there is no rehabilitation. If you put a broken tv in your garage for 5-10 years, go and plug it back in without somebody doing something to it, its still broken, what is it that you expect from these prisoners to do when most cant read, have no job skills, are not hired because of stereotyping, and their gate money ($200.00) runs out and they are hungry again, they recommit half the time to just survive. would you have one of your family treated this way? most families have a reletive in the prison system now and treatment is slightly above human diginity, You may say that they don't deserve any better, but the men and women that are paroling will be living near you and I, and if we don't do something to give those a second chance that want one, they will eventually recommit, and cost you and I more money in our overcrowded prison system. I might also suggest that most of us have done something in our lives that could very easily bring us to prison, and wouldn't that change your opinion of the treatment of human beings, albiet broken ones, but still human beings and bare minimum medical treatment

Since: Jul 08

San Diego, CA

#5 Jul 28, 2008
Harley, I agree with almost everything you said. I know the prison system is broken. However, I find is appalling that my tax dollars are being spent on 3 meals a day plus healthcare for prisoners instead of helping those who truly need help. While the meals may be just barely edible, it's a meal. There are many families that cannot afford even that. I say we take care of the hard-working, law-abiding citizens first. If we have any money left over, then we take care of the prisoners.
ncslo

Cambria, CA

#6 Jul 28, 2008
ok, I hate felons too but.... as a society, what is most important is how we care for the most vulnerable in society: These prisoners victims, the elderly, sick, poor, children, and the prisoners themselves. Until we reach a point were we can just kill all violent offenders (which I support) we have a duty to take care of them.
harley charlie

San Diego, CA

#7 Jul 28, 2008
sdn8v wrote:
Harley, I agree with almost everything you said. I know the prison system is broken. However, I find is appalling that my tax dollars are being spent on 3 meals a day plus healthcare for prisoners instead of helping those who truly need help. While the meals may be just barely edible, it's a meal. There are many families that cannot afford even that. I say we take care of the hard-working, law-abiding citizens first. If we have any money left over, then we take care of the prisoners.
who are these families that you mention? are they not eligible for assistance? there are many orginazations that wil;l assist these people, they have to be legal citizens, but even the illegal prisoner get fed so we are helping those who have very little. as a ward of the state, we do very little for the prisoner, feeding them is very little on the grand scale enviroment is very bad, very little protection from predators, if any (stop to think about the mentally handicapped that make it to prison, and there are many) that is offered, orison guards that are corrupt, and take advantage of the weak, this is no picnic spot (yes, its not supposed to be), but we even feed our prisoners of war, its what is supposed to make us humane and concerned with human rights, not just your tax dollar. How about showing concern about the pork barrel spending your congress does pushing thru crap to help nobody but themselves, theres more tax dollars going there than feeding someone how cannot get any food for themselves, remember, at least the street person can beg from others. where does the hungry prisoner go and beg, everything is contraband, or are you suggesting that we let them starve, meaning every crime is a death sentence?
harley charlie

San Diego, CA

#8 Jul 28, 2008
ncslo wrote:
ok, I hate felons too but.... as a society, what is most important is how we care for the most vulnerable in society: These prisoners victims, the elderly, sick, poor, children, and the prisoners themselves. Until we reach a point were we can just kill all violent offenders (which I support) we have a duty to take care of them.
and nobody is redeemable? nobody can change? death is the answer for a situation that all too quickly gets out of hand? after that, what? the drunk drivers? those who make one bad judgment call and it all goes bad? what about the person who tries to do the right thing, the wrong way and someone dies? where is the line drawn? as a civilized society, we dont kill anybody that does a violent crime, then life is worthless, and this means not even in a prison can a person do something good with their lives. how about stopping the young gangbanger from killing the guy who ratted him out that he was dealing? how about helping the guy who didn't know how to read, so they can get real work, instead of holding up the 7-11 when they get out? Have you ever been given a second chance? from a parent, a teacher? the store owner that caught you stealing a penny candy? Mercy can have a huge effect on a person. I'm not suggesting coddling the prisoner, sentences need to be served, but grace works. lets face it, it's not working very good right now is it?
RichMac

Oceanside, CA

#9 Jul 28, 2008
Blame Californias ridiculous sentencing laws. If we didn't have so many 3 strikers doing life for petty crimes it wouldn't be a burden. California has more prisons than any other state and more than the whole Federal system.

Since: Jul 08

San Diego, CA

#10 Jul 28, 2008
harley charlie wrote:
<quoted text>and nobody is redeemable? nobody can change? death is the answer for a situation that all too quickly gets out of hand? after that, what? the drunk drivers? those who make one bad judgment call and it all goes bad? what about the person who tries to do the right thing, the wrong way and someone dies? where is the line drawn? as a civilized society, we dont kill anybody that does a violent crime, then life is worthless, and this means not even in a prison can a person do something good with their lives. how about stopping the young gangbanger from killing the guy who ratted him out that he was dealing? how about helping the guy who didn't know how to read, so they can get real work, instead of holding up the 7-11 when they get out? Have you ever been given a second chance? from a parent, a teacher? the store owner that caught you stealing a penny candy? Mercy can have a huge effect on a person. I'm not suggesting coddling the prisoner, sentences need to be served, but grace works. lets face it, it's not working very good right now is it?
Agree and disagree. Sure, I'd like to think that most people/prisoners have redeeming qualities, but at some point, those qualities lose their value relevant to the crime they commit. Horrific, senseless, unremorseful crimes-- murders, mutilations, tortures. Some things you can forget and other things you shouldn't forget. Not everyone deserves a 5th chance.
bandwidth nazi

United States

#11 Jul 28, 2008
Fvamp wrote:
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Agree and disagree. Sure, I'd like to think that most people/prisoners have redeeming qualities, but at some point, those qualities lose their value relevant to the crime they commit. Horrific, senseless, unremorseful crimes-- murders, mutilations, tortures. Some things you can forget and other things you shouldn't forget. Not everyone deserves a 5th chance.
A very small portion of the prison population consists of guys who are convicted of horrific crimes like that. Most of the overflowing prison population is in for petty crimes and drugs. You can blame the war on drugs for the billions of tax dollars spent every year on the prison system.
sherie

Ramona, CA

#12 Jul 28, 2008
you sound like a druggA very small portion of the prison population consists of guys who are convicted of horrific crimes like that. Most of the overflowing prison population is in for petty crimes and drugs. You can blame the war on drugs for the billions of tax dollars spent every year on the prison system. ie and a tweeker
xX619Xx

San Diego, CA

#13 Jul 28, 2008
A prisoner has nothing but time for the most part. I'm sure if you arm the right ones (lifers) with the knowledge and no how, they could be working on each other in a couple of years. And who cares if they have one gray cap and one white one? They're in prison! The pain is gone and they can eat. OR SCREW THEM! DID THEY CARE ABOUT THE PEOPLE THEY HURT TO GET IN PRISON? NO!!!
xX619Xx

San Diego, CA

#14 Jul 28, 2008
IF YOU CAN'T DO THE TIME, DON'T DO THE CRIME!!!!!!
xX619Xx

San Diego, CA

#15 Jul 28, 2008
paul felenczak wrote:
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You're probably right but what can you expect from a prison system that provides an alcohol swab to a lethal injection site.
They do that to protect the needle! ha ha

Since: Jul 08

San Diego, CA

#16 Jul 28, 2008
bandwidth nazi wrote:
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A very small portion of the prison population consists of guys who are convicted of horrific crimes like that. Most of the overflowing prison population is in for petty crimes and drugs. You can blame the war on drugs for the billions of tax dollars spent every year on the prison system.
Oh I don't doubt that, and I do believe that the incarcerated have rights, however, that's not what my response was in regards to; the thread started to sidestep, and I replied to his derogatory questions, "nobody is redeemable? nobody can change?" I attempted to illustrate a contrast that not everyone should be eligible for freedom/sympathy/etc.

The bureaucracy of the legal and prison system is a different monster entirely.
bandwidth nazi

San Diego, CA

#17 Jul 29, 2008
sherie wrote:
you sound like a druggA very small portion of the prison population consists of guys who are convicted of horrific crimes like that. Most of the overflowing prison population is in for petty crimes and drugs. You can blame the war on drugs for the billions of tax dollars spent every year on the prison system. ie and a tweeker
You can't even operate a simple message board, why should anything you post be taken seriously.

Since: Jul 08

Ramona, CA

#18 Jul 29, 2008
well, nazi, look at your name...that says it all...
bandwidth nazi

San Diego, CA

#19 Jul 29, 2008
Tashina wrote:
well, nazi, look at your name...that says it all...
Really?? And what exactly does it say, oh seer of the anonymous internet denizen?
LOL

Oceanside, CA

#20 Jul 29, 2008
They should'nt get ANY care.

Most people can't even afford to get care and these scum of society get it free behind bars.

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