#22 Mar 17, 2013
Who are the "clowns" you refer to, Snap,?
And why did you decide to step into this forum with a negative comment but no attempt to rebut our assertions of fact?
Do you think it makes sense to pile more than $20 billion of additional debt onto our county's taxpayers for water management facilities and services that other counties have proven we do not need?
If you have special knowledge that saving our stormwater would not meet all our needs or would be too costly, just come out of your closet and say so!
Unlike you, we believe most readers of this forum are smart enough to recognize and reject nonsense information.
“Did you say something?”
Since: Jul 12
San Diego, CA.
#23 Apr 23, 2013
Actually it is a very interesting concept considering the fight over water between Calif. and Nevada.
#24 Apr 30, 2013
Its good to see members of this forum realize that rainfall is a precious asset, just as good as rain falling on the Cascades or Rockies and much more plentiful than we need. Fact is, our rainwater is pure while that rainwater we import carries a huge load of complex chemical compounds that USGS experts tell us damage the DNA of humans from the first brain cell division of a fetus on through their life, promoting the epidemic levels of autism-asthma-cancer that keep our hospitals busy.
The question of what it would cost to store our rainwater instead of draining it off to the ocean has been answered by Maricopa County AZ officials. Their files show it has saved $5,000+ per home for developers to store stormwater instead of building wide streets with curbs and underground stormdrains. Plus their tax dollars have been diverted from public works to schools and policing because they were able to shrink their bloated flood control agency.(No runoff - no flooding) Plus they can use canyons and gullies for wildlife habitat-parks-trails, and comply with EPA stormwater regs at bi cost.
Storing 20% of our rainfall would end flooding, water importation and desalination schemes It would fill wells throughout the County, enhance recreation and wildlife habitat, eliminate beach pollution by polluted stormwater and trash. It would also restore orchards, vegetable farms, pastures and year-round green parks. But do we really need all this?
Apparently not enough to make it happen because it would also do severe damage to the profits of land developers who buy floodplains cheap and magnify their value enormously for resale by 'persuading' politicians to approve more flood control drainage. Saving our rainwater would also be a direct threat to the job security of entrenched agency managers who feed false and misleading information to politicians and the public about costs and benefits of complying with State Law and federal recommendations.
So we will soon have another $4 billion debt for 'treating' stormwater to meet EPA regulations instead of spending a tenth this amount to guide it to storage so that we receive the broad range of benefits described above.
Would it make sense to spend $400 million to avoid spending $4 billion?
Not in San Diego County where news services are focused on perpetuating the myths of a need for flood control, for water importation, for seawater desalination and for toilet to tap water purification.
Our experts and senior journalists know we don't need any Colorado River water, only import it to enrich water profiteers and land developers. But the careers of people we trust to keep us fully and fairly informed are more important to them than a code of ethics that instructs them to provide complete and accurate facts and figures to their clients.(We the People)
#25 Apr 30, 2013
Your comments re the concept of meeting all our needs with our own rainwater, as 'outside' experts have been recommending for a century, would enhance the forum set up by the San Diego County Water Authority for public comment about its planning.
Its committee members who represent us have not found time to post their comments, and agency experts are reluctant to discuss facts and figures, but they may respond to your thoughtful comments or questions.
It's a bother to sign up at http://sdirwmp.org/forum but you appear to be concerned enough, and your input would be usful to the IRWM-RAC committee members who represent us. They may even provide hard data to rebut our CRWM repetition of state and federal facts and figures.
Impartial opinion, data and expertise would enhance input of this committee to planning that will determine the availability, quality and cost of our water.
That's the least we can do.
“What's your story? Nevermind.”
Since: Apr 13
none of my business.
#26 Apr 30, 2013
You better look at was it Colorado where that guy was arrested and fined for collecting rain water. That was a joke but it happened.
#27 Apr 30, 2013
It's no joke in Riverside County where ordinances forbid blockag swales, defined as where stormwater naturally flows, so that rain will soak into the soil. County officials deny permits for wells on your property unless the groundwater is deemed "vagrant and percolating" (not flowing toward areas where water districts have wells). This forces landowners to buy water even though they receive far more rainfall than they use.
Landowners willing to build the "Best Management Practices" (simple contour-following terraces, furrow-dikes and/or small dams)) recommended by federal experts may not be able to use the rainfall these devices store underground, so stormwater is either lost downstream (as floodwater damaging Camp Pendleton, e.g.) or evaporates away uselessly.
The problem comes from Legislators being fooled-pressured or bribed to pass laws dictated by land development and water supply profiteers (frequently the the same person). Repeal of good laws in the 1945 California Water Code and clever redefinition of terms used by those Legislators has allowed public works and flood control chiefs to defy common sense by dumping stormwater to the ocean. This absurd policy lets their mentors in the private sector extort windfall profits from us by selling federal water they buy cheap to the State Water Project at a huge markup, and by forcing us to pay for channels-levees-dikes-dams we don't need so that their property values are magnified.
Its no joke that we are being defrauded by our public servants because too few of us will outshout the private sector's agents at public meetings.
#28 May 19, 2013
Not baiting, Snap, just chumming. Chew on this bit we posted this on the UT forum a while ago. We got an instant call saying it should be posted to Topix. So here you go.
A Professional Engineer still active in Arizona watershed management called to agree with our CRWM ancient expert that 30 years ago SD County had the cheapest, clearnest water supply Ma Nature could provide with a little help from public servants. The Henshaw Reservoir held 68 billion gallons of water, replenished by an average 74 billion gallons of yearly runoff from 110 billion gallons of stormwater and snowmelt. Now it can only hold 18 billion.
With the million households in SD County using only 60 billion gallons this single source of pure water was more than enough to prevent water shortages and damage to the health and welfare of San Diego County citizens by the complex chemical compounds in imported water.
But our deep throat source claims the Upstate water profiteers who control operations of the Metropolitan Water District were able to pressure State officials into declaring the dam unsafe, then persuade County officials to cut through it instead of strengthening it. Re the movie "Chinatown"; a rerun.
And that explains why so much was cut from the version now available.
We are being committed to a debt of $14 billion dollars for dams to hold imported water and a seawater desalination plant, instead of spending less than $1 billion to make the Henshaw dam meet State safety standards so that we can all drink and bathe in our own pure, free rainwater. Go figure.
The Henshaw dam's water was a match to the famous Hetch Hetchy reservoir supplying water to 2.3 million San Francisco citizens for 90 years. Yet we've been denied the use of it by water profiteers collecting windfall profits by selling us water they steal from Upstate residents.
One member suggested that the 58,000 acres around Lake Henshaw owned by the Vista Water District is the real prize, a treasure the land developers who run MWD intend to turn into many billion dollars of profit.
We don't do politics but our concern about wasting water inclines us to be curious about the story behind this latest claim of skulduggery. So we post this, because as long as the public is ignorant of the games it will continue to elect the kind of politician who plays them with the profiteers.
#29 Dec 11, 2013
A person claiming to be a Meteorologist informed a member of our
Citizens for Responsible Watershed Management that the title of
this thread is not accurate, if we review the County's rainfall map
and average out areas of light/heavy rainfall we will find the total
volume of SD County rainfall is about 1.5 trillion gallons yearly.
We admitted that we left out three zeroes and found no way to
correct this so many citizens have pointed that error out.
Which is good because this revealed that a considerable number
of citizens are concerned enough to do more than grumble about
the obvious waste of much more water that we use.
We rewarded the visitor with US Geologic Survey data showing that
nearly 2/3 of our rainfall is "catchable, so our public servants have
been throwing away more than 900 billion gallons of water yearly,
six times as much as we are paying $300 million yearly to import.
Journalists who have misreported or ignored this critical fact are
deficient in either competence, diligence or professional integrity.
CRWM - jamesmarple66 at yahoo dotcom
#30 Jan 8, 2014
Today's TV news said the Carlsbad Desalinator is 25% complete.
So every home that buys water delivered by the SD County Water
Authority has another $840 of new debt to pay off so that folks with
fine lawns, horse pastures, golf courses will not see them damaged
as much by the salt in imported water.
The clever Manager of SDCWA delayed the water bill rate increases
that will be necessary to pay the $3.5 billion bill until 2015, when this monstrous scam is complete and senior members of the District have
had time to bail out with their fat pensions before the public becomes
ourtaged enough to replace all politicians who allowed this scam.
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