Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

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A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#192491 May 17, 2013
Big D wrote:
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Of course it has, documented in dozens of species, a very normal natural occurrence in nature.
The problem here is that we are trying to talk to the uneducated. Ignorance in this day and age is a choice, and we can’t teach people that choose to be ignorant.
You are confusing SSSB in nature with homosexuality. One of many differences is scientists understand the purposes of much of SSSB in animals, but they don't know the purpose of homosexuality in humans.

You were saying something about ignorance?

Snicker.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#192492 May 17, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Failure of mating behavior.
Smile.
veryvermilion wrote:
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The INABILITY to create an offspring is a medical disorder.
The DECISION to not create an offspring is a PERSONAL CHOICE.
There's no evidence that homosexuality is a sexual disorder.
Your posts only prove one thing... Once a loser, always a loser.
I didn't say the failure of procreation, I said the failure of mating behavior.

Exemplified by the question;

Why does a butch lesbian dress and act like a man to attract another lesbian?

Your posts only prove one thing... Once a liar, always a liar.

Snicker.

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#192493 May 17, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
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In the Loving v. Virginia court case that legalized interracial marriage, the Virginia Assistant Attorney General R. D. McIlwaine, argued for Virginia's ban on interracial marriage.
He said, "[T]he State's prohibition of interracial marriage ... stands on the same footing as the prohibition of polygamous marriage, or incestuous marriage, or the prescription of minimum ages at which people may marry, and the prevention of the marriage of people who are mentally incompetent."
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So we've heard all of this before--46 years ago.
Tell me, did interracial marriage lead to polygamy?
Didn't think so...
Come up with some new material.
Silly me.....of course calling an intimate personal sexual relationship between two men or two women marriage is a new unbreakable standard....the proverbial line in the sand. Almost time for "Sister Wives"....pull up a chair.

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#192494 May 17, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
<quoted text>
In the Loving v. Virginia court case that legalized interracial marriage, the Virginia Assistant Attorney General R. D. McIlwaine, argued for Virginia's ban on interracial marriage.
He said, "[T]he State's prohibition of interracial marriage ... stands on the same footing as the prohibition of polygamous marriage, or incestuous marriage, or the prescription of minimum ages at which people may marry, and the prevention of the marriage of people who are mentally incompetent."
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So we've heard all of this before--46 years ago.
Tell me, did interracial marriage lead to polygamy?
Didn't think so...
Come up with some new material.
On second thought.....why do you care? The unspoken goal of the SSM movement is to break the monopoly that monogamous opposite couples have on legal marriage, is it not? Why should it matter what happens after that?

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#192495 May 17, 2013
“Truth has always had many loud proclaimers, but the question is whether a person will in the deepest sense acknowledge the truth, allow it to permeate his whole being, accept all its consequences, and not have an emergency hiding place for himself and a Judas kiss for the consequence.”

Soren Kierkegaard
501 c 4s politics

Covina, CA

#192496 May 17, 2013
True Americans need to bring back the orginal 1959 rules for 501(c)4.

The 501(c)(4) tax exemption was written for civic groups engaged in efforts to beautify a town, for example, or to build a stadium for a school, or to encourage interest in the arts - social-welfare effects that improve a community at large. Partisan politics should not be part of that picture.

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#192497 May 17, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
You are confusing SSSB in nature with homosexuality. One of many differences is scientists understand the purposes of much of SSSB in animals, but they don't know the purpose of homosexuality in humans.
You were saying something about ignorance?
Snicker.
So why don't you enlighten us... Why do animals engage in homosexual behavior?

Far be it from me to call you an outright liar (again), but a brief analysis of online studies indicates that no one really knows why animals engage in homosexual behavior.

Theories abound, but no one knows definitively.

The REAL question that needs to be asked is "Who cares?"

You keep looking for purposes and reasons.

Are you just trying to understand yourself better? Is that it?

It's common to want to know why you have feelings that you might find disturbing. Because if you know "why", then maybe you believe you can fix whatever is wrong.

Girl, here's the thing... At your ripe old age, it's too late. If you get a little rise in your skirt when you see some hot guy down at the Wal-Mart, it's not going to change at this point.

Stop asking why, already... It's time for you to take that next big step and just embrace that fact that homosexuality exists--for whatever reason.
Cancellation

Covina, CA

#192498 May 17, 2013
Planning Commission Regular Tuesday, May 21, 2013 7:00 PM Notice of Cancellation Print PDF Agenda

Oversight Board Regular Wednesday, May 22, 2013 2:00 PM Notice of Cancellation Print PDF Agenda

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#192499 May 17, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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On second thought.....why do you care? The unspoken goal of the SSM movement is to break the monopoly that monogamous opposite couples have on legal marriage, is it not? Why should it matter what happens after that?
In either of the two cases argued before the Supreme Court--or in any other cases argued before any court--can you show me one shred of evidence; dialogue or transcripts, that would indicate that the goal of same-sex marriage is to end monogamy?

It doesn't exist because it has NEVER been a goal of our movement towards same-sex marriage.

We want THE SAME rights and protections of heterosexual couples--IDENTICAL rights.

NO ONE is arguing in favor of polygamy.

When will you people get that through your thick skulls?!?

If you guys could stop lying and stop trying to scare people, maybe we could find a solution that everyone agrees on.

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#192500 May 17, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
<quoted text>
Silly me.....of course calling an intimate personal sexual relationship between two men or two women marriage is a new unbreakable standard....the proverbial line in the sand. Almost time for "Sister Wives"....pull up a chair.
Gay marriage IS NOT NEW! History is replete with instances of same-sex marriage; even in the Christian church.

You act as though marriage has ALWAYS been between one man and one woman. And it has not!

Polygamy, arranged marriages, ghost marriages, same-sex marriage, opposite-sex marriage; they're ALL a part of the history of mankind.

Besides, same-sex marriage is what our current cultures and societies are demanding NOW! Who gives a damn what happened in the past?!?

You want to go back to the days of slavery? You want to go back to the days of burning people at the stake? You want to go back to a time when people believe the Earth was the center of the Universe? Be my guest!

But we're talking about the PRESENT! We're talking about the rights of people TODAY--based on TODAY'S understanding of human sexuality, human rights, equality...

If you and a few other "slippery slope" idiots want to argue in favor of polygamy, be our guests. But DO NOT try to pin it on the same-sex marriage movement.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#192502 May 17, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
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...NO ONE is arguing in favor of polygamy...
I AM.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#192503 May 17, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
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Gay marriage IS NOT NEW! History is replete with instances of same-sex marriage; even in the Christian church.
You act as though marriage has ALWAYS been between one man and one woman. And it has not!
Polygamy, arranged marriages, ghost marriages, same-sex marriage, opposite-sex marriage; they're ALL a part of the history of mankind.
Besides, same-sex marriage is what our current cultures and societies are demanding NOW! Who gives a damn what happened in the past?!?
You want to go back to the days of slavery? You want to go back to the days of burning people at the stake? You want to go back to a time when people believe the Earth was the center of the Universe? Be my guest!
But we're talking about the PRESENT! We're talking about the rights of people TODAY--based on TODAY'S understanding of human sexuality, human rights, equality...
If you and a few other "slippery slope" idiots want to argue in favor of polygamy, be our guests. But DO NOT try to pin it on the same-sex marriage movement.
Poly MARRIAGE deserves the SAME respect and consideration that same sex MARRIAGE does. You know, equal. They are both marriage. Your favorite one is not more worthy than anyone else's favorite one.

Marriage. There is no one right way.

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#192504 May 17, 2013
KiMare wrote:
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Failure of mating behavior.
Smile.
<quoted text>
I didn't say the failure of procreation, I said the failure of mating behavior.
Exemplified by the question;
Why does a butch lesbian dress and act like a man to attract another lesbian?
Your posts only prove one thing... Once a liar, always a liar.
Snicker.
Oh!!! Everybody sit down and pay close attention to Kimare. SHHHH!!!

He's come up with a BRAND NEW scientific concept!!!

Now there will be an entire science dedicated to nothing but "the failure of mating behavior" in human beings!!(!!trumpets blaring!!)

NEVER in my WILDEST dreams did I think I would see such BRILLIANCE!!

Wait... I did see such brilliance once before. In fact, it was about an hour ago when I went "number two" in the toilet.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#192505 May 17, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
<quoted text>
Gay marriage IS NOT NEW! History is replete with instances of same-sex marriage; even in the Christian church.
You act as though marriage has ALWAYS been between one man and one woman. And it has not!
Polygamy, arranged marriages, ghost marriages, same-sex marriage, opposite-sex marriage; they're ALL a part of the history of mankind.
Besides, same-sex marriage is what our current cultures and societies are demanding NOW! Who gives a damn what happened in the past?!?
You want to go back to the days of slavery? You want to go back to the days of burning people at the stake? You want to go back to a time when people believe the Earth was the center of the Universe? Be my guest!
But we're talking about the PRESENT! We're talking about the rights of people TODAY--based on TODAY'S understanding of human sexuality, human rights, equality...
If you and a few other "slippery slope" idiots want to argue in favor of polygamy, be our guests. But DO NOT try to pin it on the same-sex marriage movement.
Opposite sex marriage has led to same sex marriage so you are a "slippery slope idiot". Not me. Polygamy has been the norm way longer than SSM. And much more common. And it won't hurt you. Hell, it will be so rare you'll probably never have to be offended by the sight of a happy poly family.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#192506 May 17, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh!!! Everybody sit down and pay close attention to Kimare. SHHHH!!!
He's come up with a BRAND NEW scientific concept!!!
Now there will be an entire science dedicated to nothing but "the failure of mating behavior" in human beings!!(!!trumpets blaring!!)
NEVER in my WILDEST dreams did I think I would see such BRILLIANCE!!
Wait... I did see such brilliance once before. In fact, it was about an hour ago when I went "number two" in the toilet.
Try and relax power ranger.

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#192507 May 17, 2013
http://mobile.slate.com/articles/double_x/dou...
veryvermilion wrote:
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In either of the two cases argued before the Supreme Court--or in any other cases argued before any court--can you show me one shred of evidence; dialogue or transcripts, that would indicate that the goal of same-sex marriage is to end monogamy?
You are arguing for the end of the single marital standard of one man and one woman as husband and wife. Are you not? Actually polygamy was mentioned during the proceedings.
It doesn't exist because it has NEVER been a goal of our movement towards same-sex marriage.
We want THE SAME rights and protections of heterosexual couples--IDENTICAL rights.
Then marry the same way and you'll get THE SAME rights. Quite logical. But that is not what you seek.
NO ONE is arguing in favor of polygamy.
When will you people get that through your thick skulls?!?
Oh but they are.

The definition of marriage is plastic. Just like heterosexual marriage is no better or worse than homosexual marriage, marriage between two consenting adults is not inherently more or less “correct” than marriage among three (or four, or six) consenting adults. Though polygamists are a minority—a tiny minority, in fact—freedom has no value unless it extends to even the smallest and most marginalized groups among us. So let’s fight for marriage equality until it extends to every same-sex couple in the United States—and then let’s keep fighting. We’re not done yet
If you guys could stop lying and stop trying to scare people, maybe we could find a solution that everyone agrees on.
Civil union
Cancellation

Covina, CA

#192508 May 17, 2013
No worries you still don't have to attend.

Planning Commission Regular Tuesday, May 21, 2013 7:00 PM Notice of Cancellation Print PDF Agenda.

Oversight Board Regular Wednesday, May 22, 2013 2:00 PM Notice of Cancellation Print PDF Agenda.

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#192509 May 17, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
<quoted text>
Gay marriage IS NOT NEW! History is replete with instances of same-sex marriage;
"Replete"? Scattered.....in different places not sustained..nor cross cultural.
even in the Christian church.
Not Boswell's work which has been refuted.

[QUOTE[
You act as though marriage has ALWAYS been between one man and one woman. And it has not!
Polygamy, arranged marriages, ghost marriages, same-sex marriage, opposite-sex marriage;
[/QUOTE]

The one cross cultural cross time composition, male female.
they're ALL a part of the history of mankind.
Besides, same-sex marriage is what our current cultures and societies are demanding NOW!
That demand is not as extensive as u imply. Even in the gay community its not the big seller u indicate. Plus more female couples marry than male.
Who gives a damn what happened in the past?!?
You want to go back to the days of slavery? You want to go back to the days of burning people at the stake? You want to go back to a time when people believe the Earth was the center of the Universe? Be my guest!
Seriously VeeVee? All that to argue that monogamous conjugal marriage should not be the sole legal definition. You're smarter than that.
But we're talking about the PRESENT! We're talking about the rights of people TODAY--based on TODAY'S understanding of human sexuality, human rights, equality...
Different situation, different solution, civil union.
If you and a few other "slippery slope" idiots want to argue in favor of polygamy, be our guests. But DO NOT try to pin it on the same-sex marriage movement.
Why not? If not for SSM, polygamy wouldn't have a precedent. Even SSMers can see this. Again, why does it matter, if monogamous conjugal marriage is no longer the sole definition?
sheesh

Washington, DC

#192510 May 17, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:

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Same-gender couples who adopt children undergo extreme scrutiny--more scrutiny, I'll bet, than opposite-gender couples. The love, support, discipline, and nurturing these kids receive are far superior to the environments they came from.
And I'd be willing to guarantee that many of these kids live in a happier, more stable home environment than you provided your own kids; what with whipping them from state to state, running from your own self-created demons.
You have said several times that you were victimized by a an insane person. That's why you left Hawaii. But I know that it takes two to play any game. You put your family through hell. You put your own wants and desires before their interests.
What a joke...
KiMare wrote:
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Interesting. This slander from a supposed professional social worker...
You prove my point VV.
Hogwash, child. I haven't read much for the last few days, however, if you've mentioned that you relocated your children from one place to another there is no slander in mentioning just how stressful relocations are for a child. You claim victimization by an insane person and VV mentions the one sided nature of your claim. In spite of your protest, it DOES take two to tango. You immersed yourself in a relationship with someone you claim was insane. Then you fled at your children's expense (relocation is stressful) yet you've got the nerve to blather on about gays providing less than desirable family environments for children. Quite a bit of the pot calling the kettle black on your part. And a bit of cry baby for attempting to call common sense slander. WhassamattahU, can't take it but can dish it out? 8485
Stinky Friedman

Tempe, AZ

#192511 May 17, 2013
I was, like, in Whole Foods and, like, farted, and it, like, stunk really really bad.

I got 13 marriage proposals before checking out.

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