Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 | Posted by: Topix | Full story: www.cnn.com

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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heartandmind wrote:
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you had me until your last sentence.
it's the selfish "godless" republicans of the 80s that turned me away from being a republican. i couldn't stand how they treated "those people" they deemed beneath them. and still do to this day.
my pastor likes to say that jesus was a liberal - he believed in feeding and clothing the poor, healing the sick. and not charging anyone for those services - he did this freely and willingly to all those that asked or needed his help.
yea, "godless liberals". indeed.
Yup you're right, it should have read moral-less liberals. As in lacking morals.
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Pietro Armando wrote:
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Not in everything Rosie. Only native born citizens can becone president.
Shhhhhhhhh don't let him/her learn that, they'll want to change that too.
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Big D wrote:
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I am not sure the religious can be cured, the only thing we can do for the abnormal followers of religion is to try and reason with them through the distortion of their disease.
If the religious could be cured I would be all for that.
I do certainly feel sorry for them
Smells like religious bigotry to me, and cumming from someone who claims to treat prople equally. Slurp!
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ooops - people .. don't want them to pee themselves over my spelling.

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Pietro Armando wrote:
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It raises an ethical question. Should such s "cure" be utilized? If it could be determined in the womb, and, obviously this is speculative, its possible to correct "unusual", or , no offense intended, "abnormality", should it be done? With any "abnormality" not just "orientation"?
Here's my thoughts on the matter... I'm not sure our scientist or medical professionals have the capability of changing genetic or epigenetic related issues while a fetus is developing.

At best, they may be able to (in the future) determine if a fetus is gay while in the womb.

And if so-called Christian zealots, who want homosexuals eliminated from the planet, get their way, they will simply decide to abort the "damaged", "broken", "defective", "abominable" (these are the words they use to describe us) fetus that women may be carrying.

They compare us to pedophiles, murderers, rapists, etc.

And if you think for one minute that they wouldn't abort a fetus that might genetically be prone to pedophilia, murder, or rape, then you don't understand these so-called Christian fanatics.

Their goal is total elimination of homosexual and transgender people from the face of the planet at ANY COST.

That is a disgusting concept.

To eliminate a group of people who are totally functional; who work and contribute to society; who are capable of full and happy lives--to eliminate such a group from the planet simply because you might have a spiritual belief that runs counter to a minute--a miniscule aspect of their lives, is a disgusting and deplorable act.

That is what Hitler attempted to do. And anyone who believes that eliminating homosexuals from the planet will improve the quality of mankind is simply following the directions of a maniacal mass-murderer.

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Pietro Armando wrote:
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Oh Madone! Is it possible you could use your superior intellect and offer an opinion without invoking your distain for religion?
I believe it's sometimes necessary for one Christian to point out to another Christian that they have strayed from Christ's teachings. This is not disdain for religion. In fact it's the very opposite.

When I hear so-called Christians talk about the elimination of gays from the planet, I don't see them following Christ's teachings at all.

He spoke of loving your neighbor as you love yourself. He spoke of living among one another without judgment. He also said, "Blessed are they that suffer persecution for justice sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."
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Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Doctors used to feel that same way about homosexuality.
I know they did, and I only talk like that to morons that still do
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Three UP and three DOWN, now it's Rizzo's turn in the barrel.

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Does that term confuse you?
No. And if you had any integrity, you would not have edited out this part of my post:
"What are you talking about?
I'm quite direct."

That shows the term does not confuse me.
And your post shows you are so desperate to "get" me, that you will resort to dishonesty.
LOLSER!

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KiMare wrote:
Fourth, I have already noted before, a cure will likely come. The vast majority of people do not want their children born with defects.
Guess your parents didn't want you! LOL!
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KiMare wrote:
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Please, quote where I said any such thing.
Smirk.
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"Fourth, I have already noted before, a cure will likely come. The vast majority of people do not want their children born with defects." (Sunday Mar 17)
You want a "cure" for gay people. Does that not mean that you want us eliminated from the planet?
Noting that science will 'likely' discover a cure, and Christians will avoid utilizing it, in your mind means I want gays eliminated from the planet???

Come on VV, that has to be embarrassing as hell stupid!

I'd admit you were full of it and just plain wrong, simply to pray for some measure of restored credibility.

Or do you want to dig the shit hole deeper?

Smile.

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KiMare wrote:
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Please, quote where I said any such thing.
Smirk.
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Noting that science will 'likely' discover a cure, and Christians will avoid utilizing it, in your mind means I want gays eliminated from the planet???
Do you think they will find a cure for your defect?
Do you think you should have been aborted?
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Your parents didn't want you.:)

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Here's my thoughts on the matter... I'm not sure our scientist or medical professionals have the capability of changing genetic or epigenetic related issues while a fetus is developing.
At best, they may be able to (in the future) determine if a fetus is gay while in the womb.
And if so-called Christian zealots, who want homosexuals eliminated from the planet, get their way, they will simply decide to abort the "damaged", "broken", "defective", "abominable" (these are the words they use to describe us) fetus that women may be carrying.
They compare us to pedophiles, murderers, rapists, etc.
And if you think for one minute that they wouldn't abort a fetus that might genetically be prone to pedophilia, murder, or rape, then you don't understand these so-called Christian fanatics.
Their goal is total elimination of homosexual and transgender people from the face of the planet at ANY COST.
That is a disgusting concept.
To eliminate a group of people who are totally functional; who work and contribute to society; who are capable of full and happy lives--to eliminate such a group from the planet simply because you might have a spiritual belief that runs counter to a minute--a miniscule aspect of their lives, is a disgusting and deplorable act.
That is what Hitler attempted to do. And anyone who believes that eliminating homosexuals from the planet will improve the quality of mankind is simply following the directions of a maniacal mass-murderer.
The interesting thing about this post, is that it is exactly the same distortion tactics Hitler used to discredit Jews and Christians like Deitrick Bonhoeffer.

The fact of the matter is that Christians are on the front lines against abortion for any reason. You know that VV, and instead, make a bold-faced lie about what Christians believe and what they would do.

The same thing you foolishly attempted to do with my words and actions.

Do you understand how evil this type of thing is? How your blind pursuit of justifying homosexual behavior has darkened and perverted your thinking and spirit in every way?

I'm scared for you.
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Do you think they will find a cure for your defect?
Do you think you should have been aborted?
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Your parents didn't want you.:)
I guess Rose,according to his train of thought and line of thinking his mom should have in fact aborted him? Makes one go Hmmmmmmm........?? LOL,Damn that boy is definitely a whacka doodle do!

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Dream on prick,When the Supreme court again overturns Doma
Seriously, you are in your own world aren't you?

"When the SCOTUS AGAIN" What do you mean again, the law has already been invalidated by the lower courts, the SCOTUS wouldn't be doing anything "again" they would simply be affirming the decision.

Oh, and I guess you missed the part where I explained to you not only that Section 3 of DOMA was UNCONSTITUTIONAL but why it was.

You should read slower, and perhaps more than once, it seems you are a bit slow.
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and Prop 8 in June who cares what you think the azz will be in your hand not mine and it will be you eating the shyte!
Why don't you give than another try, perhaps ask someone for help?
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I will take great pleasure in that Bigot boy!
Perhaps you would care to share a link to a single post where I presented myself as a bigot? Maybe you could use the one where I explained that DOMA was unconstitutional, or you could even use the one where I stated I had voted against propositions that would limit marriage to one man and one woman- TWICE.

You truly are an idiot.
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Be careful I've seen you make mistakes all the time but I'm big enough to let them slide,on the other hand you continue to show what an A-hole you truly are!
Excellent, I will wait while you post one.
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Now move along as I can plainly see what others think of you! LOL
Yeah, I should move on because idiots like Rose, Xbox, and you whom can't formulate a single coherent post don't like me.

You certainly do have delusions of grandeur.

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The interesting thing about this post, is that it is exactly the same distortion tactics Hitler used to discredit Jews and Christians like Deitrick Bonhoeffer.
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Godwin's Law.
You lose!
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I guess Rose,according to his train of thought and line of thinking his mom should have in fact aborted him? Makes one go Hmmmmmmm........?? LOL,Damn that boy is definitely a whacka doodle do!
I'm pro-choice.:)

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Apollo11911 wrote:
<quoted text>What will you say when DOMA
Can any of you read? I have already stated my position on DOMA.

One more time since you and your clan seem a bit slow- SEC 3 of DOMA is UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

Got it?
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, Prop 8
Prop 8 is a very distinct issue. CA is currently the only State where one can make the argument that the 14th Amendment has been violated. This is due to the fact that there are currently homosexuals in CA whom are legally marriage and will continue to be so even with prop 8. This creates a "special class" of homosexual citizen within the State- one class which can and is legally married, and another second class which cannot.

I fully expect the SCOTUS to uphold the Walker decision, I also fully expect them to limit that decision to the State of California. It is in fact the correct and Constitutional thing to do.
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and other state wide bans against same sex marriage are struck down by SCOTUS?? Will you then agree with the law, or demand a new ruling?
Now this is a wide net. There is no enumerated power within the Constitution for the Federal Government to regulate or otherwise define marriage, thus under the 10th Amendment this falls to the State. This is the exact logic the court used when it ruled DOMA unconstitutional. I feel the court won't touch the issue of same sex marriage on a national level.

Here is what I think will come out of the SCOTUS with these cases, and what also would be the Constitutional thing for the court to do.

First- Rule that Prop 8 is a violation of the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment for the reasons I stated above. They will limit this ruling strictly to California and the Prop 8 Issue.

Second- They will Rule that Section 3 of DOMA is unconstitutional for the same reasons as the lower court ruling- The Federal Government Lack's the enumerated power to define or regulate marriage- thus this power lies with the States to define and choose on their own. This will serve a dual purpose:
1) It will prevent the Federal Government from limiting, removing, or denying equal rights to homosexual couples whom are legally married by a State which allows such unions. They will be required to treat them exactly the same in regards to all regulations, benefits, and tax laws.
2) It will leave the States free to decide on their own what constitutes a marriage within their own boarders, as it should be based on the 9th and 10th Amendments of the Constitution. Now I really don't think it's going to be long before all State legalize same sex marriage, public opinion is moving in that direction, and most people really don't care. But based on our founding as a republic and union of individual sovereign State's, it is up to each to decide.

Now you may not like that, and that may not even be the way the SCOTUS rules, as just like the entire Federal Government they are in a power grab, and if they can find a way to give the Federal Government purview over the regulation and control of marriage they most certainly will. But you should ask yourself, is the the "freedom" you are looking for?

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Rose_NoHo wrote:
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No. And if you had any integrity, you would not have edited out this part of my post:
I edited out the part of your post that was irrelevant, I damn near had to delete the whole thing!!!

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Rose_NoHo wrote:
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I'm pro-choice.:)
Too bad your parents weren't huh?

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