Burro deaths causing residents concern in Reche Canyon

Burros are beloved in Reche Canyon but residents worry about how frequently they are maimed or killed by cars speeding on the windy two-lane road that connects Colton and Moreno Valley. Full Story
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Messiah

Riverside, CA

#1 Feb 14, 2010
So.... build a fence! If the donkeys are federally protected, and they are crossing private land to get to the road, then the fed should pay the property owner to build a fence (or just build one themselves). It's only about a 1/2 mile section that they can access the road from anyway.
Too bad

Colton, CA

#2 Feb 15, 2010
Messiah wrote:
So.... build a fence! If the donkeys are federally protected, and they are crossing private land to get to the road, then the fed should pay the property owner to build a fence (or just build one themselves). It's only about a 1/2 mile section that they can access the road from anyway.
Good idea. Sad the few Reche Canyon residents who do get politically involved are too busy licking a certain Bloomington resident's butt to take action in their own neighborhoods.
Lone Ranger

Moreno Valley, CA

#3 Feb 15, 2010
Build a fence or keep them corraled.Instead of luring them in for neutering.Lure them in for protection and safety.Cindy Turner's project to schock people with photos has not hit home yet.Especially mine.I've never seen the pictures of dead donkeys. Then you have a 25 year resident blaming motorist.Invest in traffic enforement,corrall the donkeys,invest in an alarm ststem on the corral with surviellance equpment and move on. This will give Cindy turner an oppurtunity to coin the area the name "Canyon of ignorance" and help her get a job holding the radar to catch speeders."Hi ho Silver"
read

San Bernardino, CA

#4 Feb 15, 2010
build a fence and charge residents
highland rez

United States

#5 Feb 15, 2010
start a burro fund....call it pennies for burros...set up along the road....stoplights etc...
Reche Resident

San Bernardino, CA

#6 Feb 15, 2010
Ok...but what about the tragic "human" deaths as well. They may not be as common...thank goodness, but they still have occur. When it's dark and a burro walks in front of driver NO MATTER WHAT THE SPEED IS. It's like the car is hitting a block wall head on...or they swerve into opposite lane and into another vehicle. It's really a "lose lose" situation here.

The traffic is horrible and the "passerbyers" who do not live in the Canyon are ruthless and just want to get from point A to B...and fast!
Reche Resident

San Bernardino, CA

#7 Feb 15, 2010
read wrote:
build a fence and charge residents
Nice solution. As a resident, I say, CLOSE THE DARN ROAD and keep it private for resident's only!! I'm sure it's not the residents who are hitting the burros!

It would certainly may my life as well as many of the other resident's who like to cross the road onto Reche Canyon without having to get hit by some ruthless "non-resident" who won't stop.
Gus

Los Angeles, CA

#8 Feb 15, 2010
Just sent the Burros to driving school!!
Reche Canyon Resident

United States

#9 Feb 15, 2010
More Colton Police, Moreno Valley Police and CHP patrols would do wonders in Reche Canyon. If people were charged with a Federal crime after murdering a burro that would help also. The accidents that have been happening could also happen to a human if they were out crossing the road.

Commuters seem to think there is no law in Reche Canyon, they pass anywhere they can including on blind turns. Someone actually pointed their fingers like a gun at my wife while they were passing her because she wasn't speeding.

If you see someone breaking the law while driving in Reche Canyon get their license plate, description of the car and the driver the report it to 911 as soon as possible. I we make enough complaints something will have to be done.

We have to deal with the commuters but they also have to deal with us!
Bean Bag to the Nuts

Hemet, CA

#10 Feb 15, 2010
Reche Canyon Resident wrote:
. If people were charged with a Federal crime after murdering a burro that would help also.
Are you retarded? Murdering a burro? Dogs, cats, skunks, rabbits, PEOPLE, are hit by moving vehicles every day on Americas roadways, and charges are never filed against the drivers because it's not the drivers fault. If you back down your driveway and run over a sleeping burro in the darkness should you be charged with a crime?
lives on Reche Canyon

Los Angeles, CA

#11 Feb 15, 2010
It is not the donkeys. It is the people who drive through the canyon. They do not consider this a road. They run the red lights, they speed and pass in no passing zones , they pass cars at the red lights *it is a two lane road, a lane for each direction* and not stopping of school buses when they have the stop sign out. They have no consideration for the residents of the canyon and this includes donkeys. I have lost count of the times I have pulled on to Reche Canyon Road using the red light at the end of my street, and almost been hit by some jerk who forgot what a red light means!!!!!! We do not go 60 miles an hour past your house, why should you do it past ours. The speed limit on Reche Canyon is 50 and 45 mph. If Colton ever needed money, they should install a red light camera on Prado and Shane Drive. The camera would pay for itself in one day.
lives on Reche Canyon

Los Angeles, CA

#12 Feb 15, 2010
And I agree....Close the road to Residents ONLY!!!!!
Too bad

Colton, CA

#13 Feb 15, 2010
lives on Reche Canyon wrote:
It is not the donkeys. It is the people who drive through the canyon. They do not consider this a road. They run the red lights, they speed and pass in no passing zones , they pass cars at the red lights *it is a two lane road, a lane for each direction* and not stopping of school buses when they have the stop sign out. They have no consideration for the residents of the canyon and this includes donkeys. I have lost count of the times I have pulled on to Reche Canyon Road using the red light at the end of my street, and almost been hit by some jerk who forgot what a red light means!!!!!! We do not go 60 miles an hour past your house, why should you do it past ours. The speed limit on Reche Canyon is 50 and 45 mph. If Colton ever needed money, they should install a red light camera on Prado and Shane Drive. The camera would pay for itself in one day.
youshould bring this up at today (Tuesday Feb 16 ) City Council Meeting...6pm ...
Jim Crow

Moreno Valley, CA

#14 Feb 16, 2010
Reche Resident wrote:
<quoted text>
Nice solution. As a resident, I say, CLOSE THE DARN ROAD and keep it private for resident's only!! I'm sure it's not the residents who are hitting the burros!
It would certainly may my life as well as many of the other resident's who like to cross the road onto Reche Canyon without having to get hit by some ruthless "non-resident" who won't stop.
Yep! Figures..Segregation is always the answer in america.Next you will want to lynch non-residents.This is a free country idiot.Pull your head out and look around.
heatherincanyon

United States

#15 Feb 17, 2010
As a resident of Reche Canyon for the better part of my 38 years, there are several factors that non-residents can't understand about the canyon. First of all, we LOVE our canyon, and the burrows! Second, a fence wouldn't be enough. They are "wild" and protected as such, fencing them would be in violation of too many federal and state laws (not to mention there are several hundred acres they roam, fencing would cost billions). Second, the reason there are no police to patrol the canyon is that when the county did the road "improvement" they also removed the ability to pull drivers safely off the road to issue tickets, so they cannot actually DO their job of enforcing safety. So commuters feel they have a free pass to recklessness they don't get away with on the freeways. There is also the issue of commuters not understanding the significance of hitting a burro, or even believing that they exists (seriously, they see the signs and think it's a joke to get them to slow down). Commuters have gotten a serious bad rap through our area as they are the speeders, the illegal passers, the bus passers, the ones that won't let residence out of their driveways in rush hour traffic. They regularly litter, they are in general disrespectful to the area that we all moved to to get away from the "city" life. We do not drive through your communities and past your driveways at high speeds, nor do we stop in front of them and not let you out. Be respectful of the area you are driving through and the rest takes care of it's self. Burros are a hazard, but not nearly as much as the drivers that disrespect the rural atmosphere they commute through each day to avoid the hassles of the freeway. Turning a rural road into another freeway to accommodate MORE traffic is NOT a reasonable answer. How is it that we expect to widen a road, push more traffic through and not upset and offend the people that moved here to escape that lifestyle? Closing the road isn't an option as it's too expensive, widening is too aggressive, and disrespectful to the residence. If you want a freeway, use one, if you want a shortcut, obey the traffic rules and respect the area. Perhaps we should all just follow the rules, play nice, and SLOW DOWN. Who knows you may even see something pretty along the way! If commuters respect the road, residence will stop disrespecting them in turn.
Adolf

Moreno Valley, CA

#16 Feb 17, 2010
heatherincanyon wrote:
As a resident of Reche Canyon for the better part of my 38 years, there are several factors that non-residents can't understand about the canyon. First of all, we LOVE our canyon, and the burrows! Second, a fence wouldn't be enough. They are "wild" and protected as such, fencing them would be in violation of too many federal and state laws (not to mention there are several hundred acres they roam, fencing would cost billions). Second, the reason there are no police to patrol the canyon is that when the county did the road "improvement" they also removed the ability to pull drivers safely off the road to issue tickets, so they cannot actually DO their job of enforcing safety. So commuters feel they have a free pass to recklessness they don't get away with on the freeways. There is also the issue of commuters not understanding the significance of hitting a burro, or even believing that they exists (seriously, they see the signs and think it's a joke to get them to slow down). Commuters have gotten a serious bad rap through our area as they are the speeders, the illegal passers, the bus passers, the ones that won't let residence out of their driveways in rush hour traffic. They regularly litter, they are in general disrespectful to the area that we all moved to to get away from the "city" life. We do not drive through your communities and past your driveways at high speeds, nor do we stop in front of them and not let you out. Be respectful of the area you are driving through and the rest takes care of it's self. Burros are a hazard, but not nearly as much as the drivers that disrespect the rural atmosphere they commute through each day to avoid the hassles of the freeway. Turning a rural road into another freeway to accommodate MORE traffic is NOT a reasonable answer. How is it that we expect to widen a road, push more traffic through and not upset and offend the people that moved here to escape that lifestyle? Closing the road isn't an option as it's too expensive, widening is too aggressive, and disrespectful to the residence. If you want a freeway, use one, if you want a shortcut, obey the traffic rules and respect the area. Perhaps we should all just follow the rules, play nice, and SLOW DOWN. Who knows you may even see something pretty along the way! If commuters respect the road, residence will stop disrespecting them in turn.
Heather,Calm down.It's obvious you don't get out much brecause you are blocked in your drive way.And if you were to go somewhere.Where would it be.The big scary city when is the last time you were allowed to shop outside of the canyon?.Put a motor on your covered wagon and ride into the 21st century.We don't need rude mnotorist anywhere.Hey ! What if we send my SS troops and the gestapo to recruit you. Sounds like you and a majority of the residents would make good soldiers.And after we torture and kill all that don't live in the canyon that are speeding and not looking at the flowers and snobs. We can all escape to Argentina and hide.
lives on Reche Canyon

Upland, CA

#17 Feb 17, 2010
Adolf wrote:
<quoted text>Heather,Calm down.It's obvious you don't get out much brecause you are blocked in your drive way.And if you were to go somewhere.Where would it be.The big scary city when is the last time you were allowed to shop outside of the canyon?.Put a motor on your covered wagon and ride into the 21st century.We don't need rude mnotorist anywhere.Hey ! What if we send my SS troops and the gestapo to recruit you. Sounds like you and a majority of the residents would make good soldiers.And after we torture and kill all that don't live in the canyon that are speeding and not looking at the flowers and snobs. We can all escape to Argentina and hide.
If you lived here you would feel the same way. If it doesnt happen to you, it is not happening right? Look beyond yourself and see what a ripple effect you cause.197
zzz

Diamond Bar, CA

#18 Feb 17, 2010
I read somewhere these were WILD ASSES not Burros...
zzz

Diamond Bar, CA

#19 Feb 17, 2010
Reche Canyon Resident wrote:
More Colton Police, Moreno Valley Police and CHP patrols would do wonders in Reche Canyon. If people were charged with a Federal crime after murdering a burro that would help also. The accidents that have been happening could also happen to a human if they were out crossing the road.
Commuters seem to think there is no law in Reche Canyon, they pass anywhere they can including on blind turns. Someone actually pointed their fingers like a gun at my wife while they were passing her because she wasn't speeding.
If you see someone breaking the law while driving in Reche Canyon get their license plate, description of the car and the driver the report it to 911 as soon as possible. I we make enough complaints something will have to be done.
We have to deal with the commuters but they also have to deal with us!
DON'T be lazy, look up the non-emergency number. 911 is for immediate life threatening reasons.

Since: Feb 10

Reche Canyon, CA

#20 Feb 17, 2010
Adolf wrote:
<quoted text>Heather,Calm down.It's obvious you don't get out much brecause you are blocked in your drive way.And if you were to go somewhere.Where would it be.The big scary city when is the last time you were allowed to shop outside of the canyon?.Put a motor on your covered wagon and ride into the 21st century.We don't need rude mnotorist anywhere.Hey ! What if we send my SS troops and the gestapo to recruit you. Sounds like you and a majority of the residents would make good soldiers.And after we torture and kill all that don't live in the canyon that are speeding and not looking at the flowers and snobs. We can all escape to Argentina and hide.
Sir,
I actually am not sure where to begin... I'm far from needing to calm down, I am quite calm. I have lived her long enough to know that getting worked up does little other then, well, get one worked up. It's not productive.
I actually leave my beloved canyon regularly. I go to the city often, and dare say, I even enjoy city life! I just choose to LIVE in a more rural atmosphere. I almost never use the covered wagon anymore, since we upgraded to the Suburban, Ram 350, and the company paid Fusion...
My apologies to all if I inadvertently implied that rude drivers should be tolerated elsewhere. Drivers should be polite and courteous EVERYWHERE they drive, not JUST through our canyon. I would also say that several of our residence HAVE made (and many currently do make) great solders, however, I doubt that any of them have considered militant aggression toward the rude commuters (at least not seriously). At no point did I suggest that we should consider such sever consequences, you did. I merely suggested that folks that don't live in an area should be considerate of those that do. If looking at flowers isn't your thing perhaps you would enjoy the scenery, the abundance of interesting birds (quail, roadrunners, hawks), plethora of other wild life (such as dear, bob-cats, raccoons, mountain lions, coyotes, rattlesnakes, and recently even a wolf!) or how about stopping to watch a burro or two cross the road, before the are all killed by speeding motorist?
Now that I've arrived in the 21st century, perhaps you should too? Try spell/grammar check, it's free on most word processing programs as well as a few internet browsers...
I hope your escape to Argentina is pleasant!

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