Study links California drought to global warming

May 3, 2014 Full story: Star Tribune 89

Utility worker Steve Upton, right, explained to Larry Barber how to use a timer to conserve water in drought-stricken Sacramento, Calif.

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SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#1 May 3, 2014
How do you say, too little, too late..????
Coal is King

Paducah, KY

#2 May 4, 2014
How do you say "Naturally occurring event"?

Archaeologists have found evidence of a drought that scorched all of western North America for 25 years in the late 1200s, another one in the late 1300s, another one in the 1400s.

All of those droughts came before the burning of coal or petroleum.
litesong

Everett, WA

#3 May 4, 2014
downwinders think coal is kinky wrote:
drought that scorched all of western North America for 25 years in the late 1200s, late 1300s,1400s.
Western U.S. makes a majority of the entire Earth. Proof of global heatin' long time 'go, fer shore.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#4 May 4, 2014
Coal is King wrote:
How do you say "Naturally occurring event"?
Archaeologists have found evidence of a drought that scorched all of western North America for 25 years in the late 1200s, another one in the late 1300s, another one in the 1400s.
All of those droughts came before the burning of coal or petroleum.
Modern droughts are one of the consequences of the man-made global climate change underway presently; get it. coal?
Coal is King

Paducah, KY

#5 May 4, 2014
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Modern droughts are one of the consequences of the man-made global climate change underway presently; get it. coal?
So what were those droughts in the 1200s, 1300s, and 1400s the consequence of - Indians burning too many buffalo chips on their campfires?

Are is it just that the modern drought is a natural occurrence just like they were - and the global warming propaganda mill has latched on to it as a "consequence" of "man-made climeat change" and burning coal?

As Al Gore so infamously said there are some inconvenient facts: explain those 3 multi decade long droughts in the past without CO2 from burning coal to "cause" them.
Coal is King

Paducah, KY

#6 May 4, 2014
litesong wrote:
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Western U.S. makes a majority of the entire Earth. Proof of global heatin' long time 'go, fer shore.
There is evidence of those past droughts all over the world: central Eurasia, China, Africa, Europe, and Central America.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#7 May 4, 2014
More..

The results showed a subtle bias towards more extreme weather in today’s warming world. Events that would have been expected once in 100 years before global warming can now be anticipated to occur once in 80 years. In essence, the probability of extreme winter floods appears to have increased by 25% on pre-industrial levels.

http://www.livescience.com/45343-massive-citi...

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#8 May 5, 2014
SpaceBlues wrote:
More..
The results showed a subtle bias towards more extreme weather in today’s warming world. Events that would have been expected once in 100 years before global warming can now be anticipated to occur once in 80 years. In essence, the probability of extreme winter floods appears to have increased by 25% on pre-industrial levels.
http://www.livescience.com/45343-massive-citi...
The big question for you is: When will you come out of your bunker Mr Chicken Little?

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#9 May 5, 2014
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Modern droughts are one of the consequences of the man-made global climate change underway presently; get it. coal?
Where is your proof? It's all your fault, how much money did you give Gore? If you had gave Gore more money, he could have saved the world.

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#10 May 5, 2014
Coal is King wrote:
How do you say "Naturally occurring event"?
Archaeologists have found evidence of a drought that scorched all of western North America for 25 years in the late 1200s, another one in the late 1300s, another one in the 1400s.
All of those droughts came before the burning of coal or petroleum.
Thank you
litesong

Everett, WA

#11 May 6, 2014
[QUOTE who="rickety & fired"]Mr Chicken Little.....[/QUOTE]

Macho science is not science.
Coal is King

Madisonville, KY

#12 May 6, 2014
Talk about "scientific" goobledygook, this has to take the prize:

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/east-antarctica-coul...

Please note technique: First, big alarming headline. Then mention of a 16 cm rise in sea level in an indefinite time span of 100 years or more.

Then you get the big disaster of hundreds of centimeters. But, read closely, the time span is 5,000 to 10,000 years!
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#13 May 6, 2014
Coal is King wrote:
Talk about "scientific" goobledygook, this has to take the prize:
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/east-antarctica-coul...
Please note technique: First, big alarming headline. Then mention of a 16 cm rise in sea level in an indefinite time span of 100 years or more.
Then you get the big disaster of hundreds of centimeters. But, read closely, the time span is 5,000 to 10,000 years!
Educate yourself on global warming and sea level rise. Regional is where havoc piles up.

bbc: The prognosis on the climate isn't good - but the doctor's changing his bedside manner with the people in charge of the planet's health.

The report's chair, Dr Chris Field, is worried that an apocalyptic tone will frighten politicians so much that they'll abandon the Earth to its fate.

There is nothing inevitable about the worst impacts on people and nature, Dr Field says. We can cut emissions to reduce the risks of catastrophe and adapt to some changes that will inevitably occur.

We have to re-frame climate change as an exciting challenge for the most creative minds.

Cutting local air pollution from, say coal, can also reduce carbon emissions that cause warming; creating decent homes for poor people in countries like Bangladesh can improve lives whilst removing them from the path of flood surges.

Some will criticise Dr Field for being too upbeat. But many politicians have gone deaf to the old-style warnings. Maybe it's worth a new approach.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#14 May 6, 2014
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>Where is your proof? It's all your fault, how much money did you give Gore? If you had gave Gore more money, he could have saved the world.
Read my posts.

I never give money to Mr Gore. Your post sucks!
Coal is King

Princeton, KY

#15 May 6, 2014
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Educate yourself on global warming and sea level rise. Regional is where havoc piles up.
bbc: The prognosis on the climate isn't good - but the doctor's changing his bedside manner with the people in charge of the planet's health.
The report's chair, Dr Chris Field, is worried that an apocalyptic tone will frighten politicians so much that they'll abandon the Earth to its fate.
There is nothing inevitable about the worst impacts on people and nature, Dr Field says. We can cut emissions to reduce the risks of catastrophe and adapt to some changes that will inevitably occur.
We have to re-frame climate change as an exciting challenge for the most creative minds.
Cutting local air pollution from, say coal, can also reduce carbon emissions that cause warming; creating decent homes for poor people in countries like Bangladesh can improve lives whilst removing them from the path of flood surges.
Some will criticise Dr Field for being too upbeat. But many politicians have gone deaf to the old-style warnings. Maybe it's worth a new approach.
16 centimeters is something like 8 inches. 100 plus years is one hundred or more years.

400 centimeters in 5,000 to 10,000 years, even if true, is irrelevant. Civilization may well have fallen by then. By then there may only be as many humans on earth, if there are any at all, as there were during the Ice Ages.

Science is science; man made global warming is science fiction.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#16 May 6, 2014
Coal is King wrote:
<quoted text>
16 centimeters is something like 8 inches. 100 plus years is one hundred or more years.
400 centimeters in 5,000 to 10,000 years, even if true, is irrelevant. Civilization may well have fallen by then. By then there may only be as many humans on earth, if there are any at all, as there were during the Ice Ages.
Science is science; man made global warming is science fiction.
Hey coalish person, you need to pick up science and mathematics to understand this subject.

Average numbers globally mean big numbers regionally, right?
Coal is King

Princeton, KY

#17 May 6, 2014
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Hey coalish person, you need to pick up science and mathematics to understand this subject.
Average numbers globally mean big numbers regionally, right?
100 plus years is 100 plus years, globally, regionally, or at the local cemetery.

5,000 to 10,000 years is 60,000 months or 1,825,000 days to 120,000 months or 3,650,000 days. Again, it does not matter if it is globally, regionally, or at the local cemetery - which more than likely will be buried under the debris of the ages long before then.

This too. Most Geology 101 textbooks say that the earth is now in an interglacial warm period between two Ice Ages. If the next Ice Age arrives according to the same cycle as the past ones over the last 2 million years, it is due to start in something over 10,000 years. Now an Ice Age would destroy human civilization and kill most of the people through starvation, since most of the cropland would be under ice or in sub-arctic conditions too cold for food crops to be grown. So by putting CO2 into the atmosphere now, we could well be helping people 10,000 years from now by forestalling that Ice Age. That was what scientists (real scientists) thought 100 years ago.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#18 May 6, 2014
Coal is King wrote:
<quoted text>
100 plus years is 100 plus years, globally, regionally, or at the local cemetery.
5,000 to 10,000 years is 60,000 months or 1,825,000 days to 120,000 months or 3,650,000 days. Again, it does not matter if it is globally, regionally, or at the local cemetery - which more than likely will be buried under the debris of the ages long before then.
This too. Most Geology 101 textbooks say that the earth is now in an interglacial warm period between two Ice Ages. If the next Ice Age arrives according to the same cycle as the past ones over the last 2 million years, it is due to start in something over 10,000 years. Now an Ice Age would destroy human civilization and kill most of the people through starvation, since most of the cropland would be under ice or in sub-arctic conditions too cold for food crops to be grown. So by putting CO2 into the atmosphere now, we could well be helping people 10,000 years from now by forestalling that Ice Age. That was what scientists (real scientists) thought 100 years ago.
Any time! Who can pinpoint a pin's point in the future? And who cares?

Just consider NJ experience. Go from there into the future.

Fossil fuels kill, that's all.
Coal is King

Princeton, KY

#19 May 6, 2014
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Any time! Who can pinpoint a pin's point in the future? And who cares?
Just consider NJ experience. Go from there into the future.
Fossil fuels kill, that's all.
What is to consider about the NJ experience?

There have been devastating hurricanes on the New England coast before -- and there will be again. Learn a little history. Then recall that old saying that history repeats itself.

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#20 May 6, 2014
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Any time! Who can pinpoint a pin's point in the future? And who cares?
Just consider NJ experience. Go from there into the future.
Fossil fuels kill, that's all.
But Fossil fuels make plastic and plastic is used to make a computer and you are using a computer......OMG.....it's you destroying the planet!

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