County bets courts can stop casino

A long-simmering battle between Butte County and the developers of a proposed Indian casino, near the intersection of Highways 99 and 149, is moving into the federal courts. Full Story
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Vern

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#1 Mar 28, 2008
Just what Butte County needs ... another casino
We need another casino like downtown needs another bar.
Just another place for those who cannot afford to loose their paycheck because they do not know better.
Say no to the casino!
Belinda Waters

United States

#2 Mar 28, 2008
Unbelievable. It is simply astounding what the County Supervisors are willing to waste taxpayers money on. They consistently tell us there is no money, yet enter into this money-pit.
And what is with Brian Haddix? He said, "Butte County reluctantly files this litigation. Unfortunately, the developer Station Casinos, Inc., a large Las Vegas-based gaming consortium, has refused to work with the county to resolve the dispute over the location of the proposed casino. As a result, the county has no recourse other than this litigation."
How about this, Brian? "Let it go" The tribe has more than met every requirement. let them have their casino. It will bring in revinue for the county.
I'm curious why Butte county can't be run like a business. Real business men and women would not waste such time, money, and energy.
Belinda Waters

United States

#3 Mar 28, 2008
Vern, Let the people take a little personal responsibility. They don't have to take their paycheck to the casinos; they CHOOSE to. Instead, say "Whatever" to the casino. If you choose to go, go. If not, do something else. It's just a building.
Dairyville

Oroville, CA

#4 Mar 28, 2008
No more casinos. What a waste of land. Aren't two in the County enough?
Taxed to death

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#5 Mar 28, 2008
Belinda Waters wrote:
Vern, Let the people take a little personal responsibility. They don't have to take their paycheck to the casinos; they CHOOSE to. Instead, say "Whatever" to the casino. If you choose to go, go. If not, do something else. It's just a building.
Have you been to one of the casino's lately?
Most of those there look like they dont have a pot to piss in let alone be able to afford to gamble. Its just a building? Yeah, somewhere for the poor folks to get ripped off.
juanita

Chico, CA

#6 Mar 28, 2008
There you have it - "Las Vegas based". These casinos aren't run by or for local Native Americans, they are a cash cow for corporate gambling. Why should we allow this? Can't the tribes come up with a better way to make money? I know they can - they are being taken in by these slick corporate mobsters who run these casinos.

Before you tell me I don't know what I'm talking about, my husband is a contractor and he's worked on these casinos. He's seen the greasy-haired, jewelry spangled creeps that run them.
Belinda Waters

United States

#7 Mar 28, 2008
Taxed, I'll agree with you there, the casinos in Oroville are disgusting. But Gold Country is one of the most mis-managed businesses I've seen in a long time.
Don't think it applies to just poor people. Everyone loses money in a casino. But no one forces people through the doors, they walk in all by themselves.
Again, people need to take responsibility for their own actions and not blame the casinos, bars, strip clubs, grocery stores, gas stations, etc, for their own choices.
Yep, it is just a building. If they start forcing people to go in, then I will agree with you.
ISUPPORTCASINO

Chico, CA

#8 Mar 28, 2008
Let the tribe have the casino. The designated location is great. The county stands to gain some money with this proposed facility. If the tribe is playing by the rules what is all the fuss about. For those that do not support the project, please do not visit it when it is complete. That way I can have a better chance at getting a good seat at the black jack table or tickets to see a show. Be nice to the tribe. There is nothing out in the old field to harm.......
Mokitty

Chico, CA

#9 Mar 28, 2008
Casinos, what a great topic to debate. Lets see, where should I start, oh I know... here it is. Gambling should be illegal because the bible prohibits it- just look into the "10 Commandments". Well maybe that's too far back in time. Lets ask Arnold Swartzy, casino compacts are good.. so what's the problem, 300 million of increased state revenue. Also we need to pay back what we've done to the poor indians hundreds of years ago and we should keep doing so for at least another 1000 years- sorry for the rhetoric. I didn't really mean 1000 years I meant 10,000 years. Nonetheless, I gotta prediction: the Indian Casino WILL BE BUILT.. County, your wasting the taxpayers money!
Belinda Waters

United States

#10 Mar 28, 2008
Juanita, Most things that you purchase are 'based' somewhere else. Stations, whoever they are, are just investing in a business.

If you look at the agreement that is on the record, you'll see that Stations gets a percentage after the tribes debt is paid off. The tribe takes over management after a specific amount of time.

Would you feel better about it if Safeway had invested the money and was taking a percentage?

What would you suggest for the tribes? They don't have money to invest in anything that is going to show large returns that will benefit itself. You've stated the problem, what solutions do you have? I'm sure that they would entertain any that would get them above poverty level.

You know what you are talking about because your husband saw some people when he was working?
Ionebandmiwok

Garden Valley, CA

#11 Mar 28, 2008
Was the Oregon Professor, Beckham? He purports to be an expert, but knows little to nothing about California Indian tribes. He works with a lawyer who has a history of working all sides of one deal, Dennis J. Whittlesey. Beckham and Whittlesey are associates at Lewis & Clark College and should not be trusted. Beckham twist the facts to meet the needs of the lawyers clients who ever they be.
Dallas

Chico, CA

#12 Mar 28, 2008
I maybe wrong and if I am I'm sure someone will let me know. But couldn’t Butte County use emanate domain to acquire the land the Casino wants to use. I seem to remember a small town in the mid-west that did this because a large retailer wanted to build a huge store there that wasn’t welcome by anyone there.
Taxed to death

AOL

#13 Mar 28, 2008
Belinda Waters wrote:
Taxed, I'll agree with you there, the casinos in Oroville are disgusting. But Gold Country is one of the most mis-managed businesses I've seen in a long time.
Don't think it applies to just poor people. Everyone loses money in a casino. But no one forces people through the doors, they walk in all by themselves.
Again, people need to take responsibility for their own actions and not blame the casinos, bars, strip clubs, grocery stores, gas stations, etc, for their own choices.
Yep, it is just a building. If they start forcing people to go in, then I will agree with you.
Either you agree or you dont but let me mention this. I can recall a time when Gold Country cashed welfare checks. Instead of feeding the kids these low lifes were gambling away the money given to them. And I dont beleive any crap that it will bring in needed revenue.
Stop Station Casinos

Butte City, CA

#14 Mar 28, 2008
the county is right.

this isn't about the mechoopda tribe. it's about the property owner and developer, las vegas based station casinos, and their refusal to work with the county on location.

i'm all for the tribe, but i oppose the location that station casinos is pushing.
Belinda Waters

United States

#15 Mar 28, 2008
The "low lifes" you mention are the clientelle, not the casino itself. They certainly should be taking care of their families first. But it's still the people that make the choice to go there. They will just cash their check at the market and spend it however they will.
It is unfortunate that they choose drugs, alcohol, gambling, prostitution, etc over the welfare of their families.
I'm not sure why you wouldn't believe that it would bring in revenue; all businesses pay taxes to the county, state, etc. It will create jobs, and the people it employs will pay taxes and spend money in stores, paying sales tax. You can believe what you want to, but there is a lot of evidence to the contrary.
concerned

United States

#16 Mar 28, 2008
Any revenue brought in by the casino will be utilized to feed, clothe, and house the innocent victims (children who have no "choice") of people who "choose" to gamble. Gambling addiction is an illness, nobody chooses to become an addict, they make a choice to try gambling and they can make a choice to quit their addiction. How much money do casinos provide for gambling addiction recovery programs??? If casinos are so great and provide so much revenue why is Oroville still so filled with impoverished, drug addicted families???
Search for truth

Chico, CA

#17 Mar 28, 2008
The professor is correct, at least as to the Chico Rancheria's tribal status. The Chico Rancheria (Mechoopda) never became a federally recognized tribe until the BIA tweaked the so called Sugar Bowl lawsuit to give them the federal regognition that, historically, they never had. If they were a true , historical and legitimate tribe they would have been allowed to vote in the 1934 Indian Reorganization Act referendum for Indian Tribes. The tribe's name is conspicuously absent from the tribes that were allowed to vote in that election. Chico Rancheria is nothing more than a creation of the BIA in it's unlawful tribe creation program in california. Unterminate the remaining legitimate and historical california rancherias before crating new ones for the BIA's benefit.
Search for truth
Ionebandmiwok wrote:
Was the Oregon Professor, Beckham? He purports to be an expert, but knows little to nothing about California Indian tribes. He works with a lawyer who has a history of working all sides of one deal, Dennis J. Whittlesey. Beckham and Whittlesey are associates at Lewis & Clark College and should not be trusted. Beckham twist the facts to meet the needs of the lawyers clients who ever they be.
Stop Station Casinos

Butte City, CA

#18 Mar 28, 2008
Search for Truth - your comments about the Mechoopda are not helpful.

This is not about stopping the Mechoopda Tribe, at least for most of us here in Chico or Butte County. In fact, many of us have gone to school with members of the Mechoopda Tribe and respect their culture and appreciate their contribution to our local history.

This is about stopping the Las Vegas-based landowner and developer Station Casinos from building a casino in a terrible location.
concerned

United States

#19 Mar 28, 2008
How about just stopping the development of another casino? As for the "lowlifes" mentioned by Belinda Waters, indeed she is correct to a certain extent in describing the clientelle, however, having had the unfortunate experience of being the victim of how my father was treated by the Indian casino he worked for, I consider many of the people who run these casinos as lowlifes themselves. The frequent "firing" of non-native employees is unexcusable and should no longer be tolerated. My father is part Native American, but chose not to share that when he and several of his management level co-workers were let go on the basis of nothing, other than the fact the casino didn't want to continue paying into their retirement plans. This is a common practice in all of the Indian Casinos throughout California. Get a grip on reality people, Indian Casinos benefit only a few chosen tribal members and do nothing to enhance the quality of life in Butte County, nor of the Native people who reside here.
concerned

United States

#20 Mar 28, 2008
Oh, and one more thing, Miss Waters, I am happy the county supervisors are willing to do whatever is necessary to block another casino being built in Butte County!

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